20:02:38 <wilcal> #startmeeting 20:02:38 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Thu Jan 9 20:02:38 2020 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:02:38 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:02:59 <wilcal> And that brings us to 20:03:00 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 20:03:06 <wilcal> Welcome Jose 20:03:12 <wilcal> introduce yourself 20:03:14 <joselp> New in Qa team 20:03:30 <joselp> I use Mageia from version 20:03:32 <joselp> 1 20:03:53 <joselp> Before, Mandriva 20:04:05 <DavidWHodgins> Where are you located? 20:04:15 <joselp> In Toledo, Spain 20:04:31 <DavidWHodgins> I'm Dave Hodgins, from London, Ontario, Canada 20:04:32 <wilcal> Dave you got the chair 20:04:34 <wilcal> #chair DavidWHodgins 20:04:34 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins wilcal 20:04:40 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks wilcal 20:05:31 <DavidWHodgins> Like you, I was using Mandrake/Mandriva before switching to Mageia when it started. 20:06:07 <joselp> Yes, 20:06:30 <wilcal> I was using Mandrake in I think around 98 20:06:48 <wilcal> Bought the shrink wrap box in a computer store 20:07:00 <MageiaTJ> Welcome, joselp. I'm known around here as TJ. I'm a farmer from near Syracuse, New York. That's Central New York State, USA. 20:07:14 <Benmc> Still from Pirongia,NZ, also a former Mandrake / Mandriva and now Mageia user. I am a self employed electronics servicer 20:07:34 <joselp> Thanks Mageia% 20:07:38 <joselp> MageiaT 20:08:02 <hviaene> Herman Viaene, also since Mandrake, in ANtwerpen Belgium 20:08:24 <MageiaTJ> Mandrake 8.2 was my first Linux distro, back in 2002 I've been with Mageia since the beginning, also imported from Mandriva. 20:08:36 <tarazed> Len from Edinburgh/Scotland. <= 81. Mandrake 1993 originally. 20:08:46 <joselp> I start with Mandriva 2008 20:09:20 <joselp> I try to collaborate whenever I can to improve this great distro. 20:09:28 <MageiaTJ> Let me amend that. I've been using Mageia since the beginning. I joined QA with Mageia 4. 20:09:35 <tarazed> Yes, we do need help 20:09:37 <DavidWHodgins> Before switching to Mandrake 9, I used asplinux, then slackware, then gentoo 20:09:39 <hviaene> Len: rrrrreal scotsman ??? 20:09:55 <bri_an> Brian - I've distro shopped over the years and landed in Mageia as of V3 I think 20:10:02 <tarazed> No - anglo-Irish 20:10:18 <bri_an> Linux since 2006 - U.S. fly-over state (near St. Louis) 20:11:04 <hviaene> My first as Mandrake 6.5, not an verwhelming succes 20:11:21 <hviaene> overwhelming 20:11:37 <tarazed> Mine was version 7, possibly 1994 20:11:53 <DavidWHodgins> I was deputy leader of the qa team after the first Mageia team elections, been team leader 2017 20:11:59 <tarazed> I was hooked, it was more adventurous than RedHat 20:12:11 <wilcal> I was working on a Sun Slowaris platform and we gave up on that and went to Mandrake on an Intel PC 20:12:25 <hviaene> Really started with Mandrake 8.1 20:12:52 <tarazed> Yes we had Solaris but only Windows on PCs - soo sloww! 20:12:57 <MageiaTJ> I tried Fedora once - didn't care for it. 20:13:24 <bri_an> Oh I did unix on coherent, hp, aix prior to my adventure into Linux 20:13:44 <Benmc> for me , Mandrake about 1997-8. it would install, whereas redhat would not. 20:14:05 <bri_an> mandriva one 20:14:11 <joselp> I've tried several over the years, but none of them fit me like Mageia... 20:14:27 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: A couple of important links https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Team_portal and https://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates 20:14:29 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ] 20:14:59 <Benmc> joselp: yep, thats true 20:15:35 <DavidWHodgins> There is quite a bit of info linked to from the portal. Some of it may be out of date, I haven't reviewed it in a long time. 20:15:50 <joselp> I enter Madb.mageia and bugs.mageia almost daily 20:16:12 <DavidWHodgins> Good, that will help 20:16:49 <DavidWHodgins> Anyway, glad to see a new face joining the qa team. 20:16:57 <DavidWHodgins> Moving on ... 20:16:58 <joselp> I'm also on the translation team. I'm working on the Spanish wiki translation. 20:17:03 <wilcal> Any help is great help 20:17:05 <DavidWHodgins> #topic testing updates 20:17:41 <DavidWHodgins> I validated the firefox update a little while ago, so that's ready to push. 20:17:56 <joselp> Ouu yeaa 20:18:06 <MageiaTJ> Wow. Look at all those OKs, just since yesterday. Good work, guys! 20:18:12 <wilcal> Shorter list more bugs then security 20:18:14 <tarazed> It is time kodi was put out to grass. I am not competent to test the PVR function - needs an expert 20:18:31 <wilcal> That kodi thing is hardware speciific 20:18:31 <hviaene> Not me 20:18:46 <DavidWHodgins> I'll work on the advisories after the meeting, and will validate the ones with the OKs. 20:18:58 <wilcal> And it involves a TV tuner 20:19:06 <joselp> I have a problem with Mageia-Prime in my personal computer. I report the bug but no it does not progress 20:19:34 <tarazed> So it cannot be used with streaming TV (internet)? 20:19:40 <MageiaTJ> Thanks, Dave. I won't do the validations this time, then. 20:20:11 <DavidWHodgins> If we don't have the hardware, we can only test that the update installs cleanly over the prior version, and the parts that don't need that hardware still work. 20:20:24 <joselp> I used kodi, but in my computer, not in tv 20:20:50 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: It can be used with a tv card in the computer, if you have one. 20:21:15 <wilcal> I use kodi in a Raspberry Pi 20:21:15 <joselp> There is a proposed correction in github but I don't know how to apply or test it. 20:21:25 <DavidWHodgins> I'll email bittwister. I know he uses kodi with several tv cards. 20:21:34 <tarazed> joselp: that is what we are talking about. Some sort of backend software is needed for the TV tuner. 20:21:53 <wilcal> It sees my NFS shares on my Mageia server 20:22:04 <wilcal> can't ask for better then that 20:22:17 <tarazed> Yes, other functions work fine. 20:22:37 <MageiaTJ> joselp: I see Mageia Prime involves nvidia. Nvidia can be troublesome these days. Not like it used to be. 20:23:38 <DavidWHodgins> I have no experience with nvidia. My understanding is that prime is for use with hybrid systems that have both Nvidia and Intel Gpus 20:24:25 <joselp> MageiaT: Mageia-Prime works fine in Mageia 6, because the driver because the driver was version 390, but mageia-prime in Mageia 7 install driver 430 that don't the correct driver for my graphic card 20:24:28 <DavidWHodgins> If you have just Nvidia, it's still fairly straight forward 20:24:58 <wilcal> I have an 8-year old nvidia system but it is no longer my prime system 20:25:22 <Benmc> I have recently got a dual graphics laptop - ASUS u31f, so I could have a look- the all important time allowing 20:25:25 <joselp> My computer have Prime graphics 20:26:13 <hviaene> This laptop has the Intel-Radeon combination, never got the radeon to work 20:26:29 <joselp> The problem is my graphic card, have the chipset Fermi that only works with 390 version... 20:26:41 <Benmc> uses nvidia340, updated today and now the nvidia works as well as the intel 20:27:39 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: Have you tried blacklisting the 430 modules, to force it to use the 390 ones? 20:28:49 <joselp> Well, how do I do it? 20:29:47 <Benmc> sorry guys, got to go. holiday hours this week: 10 to 3. 20:30:05 <DavidWHodgins> Benmc: Thanks for being here. 20:30:09 <joselp> And when you upgrade to another version? Will I have the same problem? Will we have to put them back on the blacklist? 20:30:31 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: See https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?t=12303 20:30:32 <[mbot> [ Mageia forum • View topic - [SOLVED] How blacklist i915? ] 20:31:04 <DavidWHodgins> That's for a different kernel module, but demonstrates how to do it. 20:32:13 <joselp> I'll try it out and comment. 20:32:16 <DavidWHodgins> Another example, bug 8773 20:32:18 <[mbot> Bug: ['nouveau loaded instead of nvidia (was nvidia 304 driver fails to load on kernel 3.8.0-0.rc4.1)', 'RESOLVED', 'Mageia Bug Squad'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 20:33:10 <MageiaTJ> If that doesn't work for you, don't hesitate to start a new thread in the forum - that's what it is there for! 20:33:44 <DavidWHodgins> Or in the discuss mailing list 20:34:31 <DavidWHodgins> Any questions or comments about the other updates waiting for testing? 20:34:42 <joselp> Ok, Although it would be best if mageia-prime installed the correct driver, as discussed in the bug. 20:34:42 <wilcal> Not from me 20:34:57 <hviaene> I'll do the pcsc-lite tomorrow 20:35:30 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: Understood. The thing is to get your system working first to ensure the fix is correct, and then get the fix implemented. 20:35:36 <joselp> How is Darktable 3.0 going? 20:37:02 <MageiaTJ> That one was just backported to Mageia 7 - I tested it. 20:37:13 <DavidWHodgins> It isn't in the list of updates assigned to the qa team. Is there an open bug report for it? 20:38:14 <hviaene> Tigervnc test is also inconclusive 20:38:40 <MageiaTJ> It must be in one of the backport repositories by now. Darktable 3.0, I mean. 20:38:41 <DavidWHodgins> Found it. Update was pushed. bug 25993 20:38:43 <[mbot> Bug: ['Update candidate: darktable 2.6.3', 'RESOLVED', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25993 20:38:52 <DavidWHodgins> That was bug 25994 20:38:54 <[mbot> Bug: ['Backport candidate: darktable 3.0.0', 'RESOLVED', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25994 20:39:13 <joselp> I was looking for it. 20:39:41 <joselp> Don't you think you can upload to core updates? 20:39:48 <tarazed> A couple of those bugs have installation failure issues. 20:39:49 <MageiaTJ> Nice utility. If I were still into photo editing, I'd probably use it. 20:40:06 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: The backports repo is normally not enabled, so you will have to temporarily enable it. Don't install all of the backports, just pick and choose, then disable the repo after installing the backport 20:40:49 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: No. See https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_policy 20:42:01 <joselp> I know it's in the backports repositories, but I think it would be good for the users and for Mageia's image to be updated in core updates. 20:42:03 <DavidWHodgins> I'll try the test the xen update later today. I've tested it before, but it's been a long time. 20:42:22 <hviaene> Annd I didn't get anywhere with lutrris 20:42:42 <joselp> Lutris is in version 0.5.4 in testing repos 20:42:43 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: Understood, but as per the updates policy, we aim for stability. We don't update to a new version if the old version is still supported. 20:42:48 <tarazed> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26017 needs packager attention 20:42:51 <[mbot> [ 26017 – 'script' failed for rstudio ] 20:43:10 <joselp> DAvidWhodgins: ok 20:43:33 <joselp> It's just an idea. 20:44:06 <joselp> needs packager attention 20:44:14 <MageiaTJ> drakconf, regarding languages and ISOdumper - French was fixed, but I think it needs to be fixed for all the languages we can. 20:44:46 <DavidWHodgins> understood. Mageia is not a rolling release, because we want to ensure stability for user's who are new to linux or not very technically oriented. 20:44:49 <MageiaTJ> bug 25783 20:44:51 <[mbot> Bug: ['drakconf: Description for Isodumper (in MCC) is in English regardless of the system language', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25783 20:46:35 <DavidWHodgins> I don't know enough about packaging for multiple languages, so don't see what's been done wrong. It appears to have all of the correct isodumper.mo files, so something else is wrong 20:47:31 <MageiaTJ> Not my area of expertise, either. 20:47:43 <joselp> DavidWHodgins: Yes, I understand, and that's one of the reasons I use Mageia. But I think if the new version is stable it should be in Mageia. 20:47:52 <joselp> But I think if the new version is stable it should be in Mageia. A clear example of this was the change in firefox 52 ESR, we suffered from users being left without support and with access failures to several websites 20:47:59 <joselp> I saw this with family and friends who forwarded the complaints to me. And version 52 was supported, but for some sites it was too old 20:49:05 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: I understand the viewpoint, but that's not what the Mageia council has decided 20:49:17 <joselp> I wish I could help you pack, but my knowledge is still not enough... 20:49:27 <MageiaTJ> joselp: I believe Darktable will be 3.0, in Mageia 8. 20:51:02 <joselp> Anyway I installed it from backports and it works fine in Mageia 7, if someone asks me I'll tell him how to install it. Version 2.6 works fine too. 20:51:42 <wilcal> David are we really in Anything Else? 20:51:47 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, caudron, which will become Mageia 8, normally has the latest version available up until version freeze. 20:51:48 <joselp> Last time I tried the Mageia 8 installation in virtualbox it didn't work. I have to try again, but my disk can't hold 250 Gb ssd anymore 20:52:01 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else? 20:52:04 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 20:52:10 <wilcal> :-)) 20:52:21 <wilcal> I have a request of David 20:52:25 <wilcal> or someone 20:52:36 <DavidWHodgins> Sorry for being absent so much. Been having trouble with my eyesight again. 20:52:51 <wilcal> You and me both 20:53:11 <MageiaTJ> Good to have the both of you here today. 20:53:12 <wilcal> I'm learning to see again 20:53:54 <DavidWHodgins> I can read the screen, but my eyes get very sore, fairly quickly. 20:54:04 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: What's the request? 20:54:22 <hviaene> I would never expect someone has to learn again!!! 20:54:38 <wilcal> I need to create a wiki for my steps to connect mageia to AWS 20:54:45 <hviaene> Man is strangely complicated 20:55:09 <joselp> DavidWhodgins: Do you have a dark theme? 20:55:12 <wilcal> So I need to send the steps to someone to get it started. I can edit it after the structure is correct 20:55:32 <wilcal> I don't want to screw it up from the get go 20:55:37 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: Yes, and I use redshift to help keep the screen dim, especially at night. 20:56:11 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Do you mean create a new wiki page on mageia.org, or a private wiki on your system? 20:56:26 <wilcal> a new public wiki page 20:56:46 <joselp> Oddly enough, I need to have a high glow even if I have a dark theme. With the low brightness my eyes literally cry 20:56:48 <MageiaTJ> wilcal: I'd help if I could, but I think you probably know more about it than I do. ;) 20:56:53 <wilcal> Best I send to you the steps needed to connect Mageia to AWS and you can put it where it's best to be 20:57:33 <wilcal> It's actually quite simple to do it just took me a couple months of pain to figure it out 20:57:33 <DavidWHodgins> Make sure you're logged in on the wiki. See https://wiki.mageia.org/How_to_write_a_wiki_page 20:58:03 <hviaene> Suggestion: let it be reviewed by a non-native english speaker 20:58:11 <wilcal> That I can do i'm just not confident I can start a brand new wiki with the right structure and the right location 20:59:05 <DavidWHodgins> I select a page structured similar to what I want, use the view source option, then copy/paste to a new page and edit as desired. 20:59:38 <wilcal> you got an e-mail addy i can send you the steps. It's about 10-steps 20:59:45 <DavidWHodgins> If you're logged into the wiki, every page will show an option called Edit 21:00:05 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Sure. davidwhodgins@gmail.com 21:00:12 <wilcal> Yup done that in the past just have'nt created a new wiki 21:00:20 <DavidWHodgins> When you select the Edit option, it shows you the source 21:00:42 <wilcal> Many many thanks 21:01:00 <wilcal> coaching is appreciated 21:01:43 <wilcal> Anything else folks 21:01:57 <hviaene> Not here 21:02:03 <wilcal> I'm done 21:02:12 <DavidWHodgins> Just go to https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mypage 21:02:13 <MageiaTJ> I'm good. 21:02:25 <joselp> I don't think so 21:02:34 <hviaene> G'night all 21:02:35 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone. I'll post the links to the logs to the ml 21:02:47 <DavidWHodgins> Countdown time. 21:02:51 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5 21:02:53 <DavidWHodgins> 4 21:02:54 <DavidWHodgins> 3 21:02:55 <wilcal> bye all 21:02:56 <DavidWHodgins> 2 21:02:58 <DavidWHodgins> 1 21:03:00 <tarazed> Good evening everybody 21:03:02 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting