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19:02:17 <wilcal> Hello all for another meeeting
19:02:21 <wilcal> thanks all for being here
19:02:34 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa
19:02:46 <wilcal> Hello David mr in charge :-))
19:02:49 <wilcal> hold a sec
19:03:00 <lewyssmith> tarazed_, Good evening Len.
19:03:07 <wilcal> #chair DavidWHodgins
19:03:07 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins wilcal
19:03:12 <wilcal> Your the man
19:03:14 <tarazed_> Hi Lewis and all
19:03:15 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks
19:03:20 <bria_n> HI all
19:03:22 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Who's new? - If you are then come and say hello
19:03:40 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who hasn't been to a qa team irc meeting before?
19:04:09 <DavidWHodgins> Doesn't look like it.
19:04:14 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * i586 vs x86_64 conflicts after Grand Update
19:04:19 * Pharaoh_Atem waves
19:04:26 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa Pharaoh_Atem
19:04:27 <wilcal> I tried this again this morning and the problem is still there
19:04:40 <DavidWHodgins> Just validated bug 23063
19:04:43 <[mbot> Bug: ['Fix dual arch install for kf5 packages', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23063
19:04:43 <wilcal> I think this is the core problem for a lot of what we are seeing today
19:04:54 <lewyssmith> ug 23063?
19:05:01 <lewyssmith> Bug 23063?
19:05:35 <DavidWHodgins> For the netinstall test, was updates_testing enabled?
19:05:35 <wilcal> There's at least 2 bugs maybe three all pointing to the same thing IMO
19:05:41 <wilcal> yes
19:06:00 <bria_n> I filed 23086 today, not sure, but suspect related
19:06:21 <wilcal> Opps lemme take that back I've not enabled the updates_testing repo during a netinstall
19:06:58 <bria_n> hmm - wonder if that's my real issue
19:07:13 <wilcal> If you disable te 32-bit repos it will install but lots of basic things won't work
19:07:21 <wilcal> like auto log in
19:07:28 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Then when 23063 gets pushed, that may fix it.
19:07:57 <wilcal> I also think this has a LOT to do with the M5 -> M6 upgrade issues
19:08:06 <DavidWHodgins> Likely.
19:08:50 <wilcal> So we should see the 23063 trickle through this weekend
19:08:51 <DavidWHodgins> Let's wait for those updates to get pushed, then retest the netinstall and m5 to 6 upgrades to ensure we have up-to-date info on what conflicts are still present
19:09:06 <wilcal> I really support you on that David
19:09:09 <bria_n> eta?
19:09:17 <wilcal> This weekend I hope
19:09:42 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Can you push the validated updates? I just validated 23063 a few minutes ago.
19:10:04 <tmb> already in progress :)
19:10:10 <DavidWHodgins> Once they're pushed, it's just a matter of waiting for the mirrors to sync
19:10:18 <wilcal> I can't comfortably test the kernel, Vbox and nvidia bugs until that all gets fixed
19:10:26 <DavidWHodgins> So an hour or two for most people
19:10:51 <wilcal> Although I did get a successful Vbox test with the new kernal so noted in that bug
19:11:10 <DavidWHodgins> For me, in host installs, no problems with new kernel. Haven't tested under vb yet.
19:11:34 <lewyssmith> Did you actually test 23603?
19:11:40 <DavidWHodgins> Yes
19:11:52 <lewyssmith> Not much on the bug.
19:12:08 <DavidWHodgins> Shortly after the update became available.
19:12:20 <DavidWHodgins> Been using the updated packages since.
19:13:00 <tjandrews> I used the updated packages this morning to read my local newspaper online.
19:13:12 <DavidWHodgins> There isn't much to test with them. It's just files being moved from one package to another, so the only test really needed is clean install.
19:13:22 <lewyssmith> Or upgrade?
19:13:25 <benmc> sorry, have to. will hopefully be back later
19:13:45 <DavidWHodgins> I'm leaving re-testing upgrading until after those updates have been pushed.
19:14:06 <wilcal> Agreed
19:14:25 <wilcal> Lots of stress here over this
19:14:34 <DavidWHodgins> I'll watch my local mirror for those updates, then re-test upgrading in a few hours
19:14:41 <wilcal> Ran into the day after the Grand Upgrade went through
19:14:59 <wilcal> and I tried some installs to a blank drive
19:15:15 <DavidWHodgins> I use rsync to back up my host installs and restore them after tests, so it takes a while to back up or restore
19:15:44 <wilcal> should easily be at mirrors.kernel.org within 24-hours
19:16:00 <DavidWHodgins> I'd expect two to three hours at most
19:16:21 <bria_n> ok
19:16:36 <DavidWHodgins> kernel.org syncs every hour
19:17:06 <DavidWHodgins> So if it synced just before they were pushed, another hour before it syncs again
19:17:08 <bria_n> so rebuild vm mga5 with updates, set up updates-testing and turn lost applet
19:17:23 <bria_n> lost = lose
19:17:30 <DavidWHodgins> Yes. :-)
19:18:09 <DavidWHodgins> Any questions or comments on conflicts or upgrade testing?
19:18:27 <wilcal> cross fingers and will give it all a go tomorrow
19:18:42 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing updates - Any questions or problems
19:19:42 <lewyssmith> As fast as we clear them, new one sarrive. But the list is slightly diminishing.
19:19:53 <wilcal> as soon as 23063 goes through then the kernel, nvidia and Vbox bugs should go quickly
19:20:04 <tjandrews> What happened to Thunderbird? The language packs are still in Testing, but the base program is gone.
19:20:09 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: I'm concerned about your report of the new kernel not giving a desktop env under vb
19:20:22 <tmb> wilcal, nvidia is already pushed...
19:20:29 <lewyssmith> Just!
19:20:53 <DavidWHodgins> tjandrews: The build failed. Until that's fixed and it's assigned to qa, not ready for testing.
19:21:03 <tmb> virtualbox in testing has some upstream fixes for plasma related issues...
19:21:06 <DavidWHodgins> See https://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/
19:21:08 <[mbot> [ Build system status ]
19:22:25 <wilcal> so we'll see another round on that one
19:22:29 <DavidWHodgins> So we're still waiting for vb kmod updates for m6?
19:23:19 <tmb> virtualbox 5.2.12 update need to go out before I can build kmods for the kernel 4.14.43 update
19:23:32 <tjandrews> DavidWHodgins>But shouldn't the language packs have been removed when that happens, too?
19:23:50 <DavidWHodgins> tjandrews: Note you can add the language pack to /etc/urpmi/skip.list to exclude it from the list of available updates for now. Just don't forget to remove it when the regular package shows up
19:24:05 <DavidWHodgins> tjandrews: No. They come from different srpms
19:24:14 <lewyssmith> Not worth it.
19:24:17 <tjandrews> OK.
19:24:30 <kekePower> tmb: how are the mitigations for the new vulnerabilities going? Is 4.14.43 "good enough"?
19:24:37 <DavidWHodgins> So while there are requires between the rpm packages, the srpms are built independently
19:25:28 <DavidWHodgins> Also, are the new mitigations on by default, or do we have to turn them on? I'd prefer on by default, and only turned off if a user learns how to and chooses to
19:25:30 <tmb> kekePower, for Amd hw good, for Intel hw it needs microcode support
19:25:53 <kekePower> thanks
19:26:01 <tmb> they are on by default
19:26:14 <DavidWHodgins> Good
19:26:43 <tmb> Intel stated "new firmwares coming in the coming weeks" but we know how "fast" they released the earlier batch...
19:26:43 <DavidWHodgins> Do we have any info on how to turn them off, if a user chooses to?
19:27:21 <tmb> its documented in kernel-parameters file in kernel-doc
19:27:45 <DavidWHodgins> Company just showed up. Have to go. wilcal take over, please and thank you. :-)
19:28:15 <lewyssmith> Pity. I had a question...
19:28:17 <wilcal> here
19:28:27 <wilcal> go lewys
19:28:35 <lewyssmith> For Dave.
19:29:15 <wilcal> So quickly to:
19:29:17 <wilcal> #topic M5 -> M6 upgrade process
19:29:45 <wilcal> that should sort itself out with the push of 63
19:29:57 <lewyssmith> Claire advised us last week to leave this until the 32-bit conflicts are sorted.
19:30:13 <bria_n> we're holding off on 6.1 until the upgrade testing is done correct?
19:30:20 <wilcal> so we all kinda wait for this in the next 24-hours
19:30:35 <wilcal> ya M6.1 will be a bit off a God send
19:31:05 <lewyssmith> The upgrade test will essnetially be M5 -> 6.1.
19:31:13 <wilcal> I wanted to state my opinion again that at this point a M5.x -> M6 is not really possible
19:31:24 <wilcal> You have to start with a clean drive
19:31:36 <lewyssmith> Only for Plasma groupies, Bill.
19:31:40 <wilcal> But, you may get lucky
19:32:05 <bria_n> I've done the migration from kde to plasma successfully - p 5.12 may break that, but we'll see
19:32:06 <kekePower> and then people have been using mga5 for a long time, perhaps having all sorts of programs installed which will, too, cause unknown issues
19:32:10 <lewyssmith> I think that after the Big Update makes for a surer upgrade than before.
19:32:19 <tjandrews> I've been able to make it run, but it feels "crippled" next to a clean install.
19:32:30 <bria_n> again we should blog - best approach...fresh 6.1 build
19:32:45 <wilcal> I've tried M5 -> M6 Mate and that seems to be ok
19:32:57 <wilcal> Yes bria_n
19:33:02 <bria_n> yeah - other DE's are ok - Gnome, mate, xfce
19:33:03 <wilcal> lets move to
19:33:04 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
19:33:05 <lewyssmith> kekePower, My own M5 system is really full of all sorts of junk.
19:33:25 <hviaene> 2 things
19:33:28 <kekePower> lewyssmith: So an update would be a real pain
19:33:38 <lewyssmith> Probably.
19:33:46 <wilcal> Especially KDE -> Plasma
19:33:49 <lewyssmith> But a good test.
19:33:54 <hviaene> My tx to Marja to provide me with a better 32-bit laptop
19:34:19 <lewyssmith> That was really nice of her.
19:34:23 <wilcal> and now with the Grand Update in there IMO all but hopeless for KDE -> Plasma users
19:34:34 <kekePower> tjandrews: I'm sorry, but I haven't sent the disk yet. Will try to get it out the door tomorrow
19:34:44 <hviaene> And next week I'm 5 days off cycling in the Netherlands
19:34:56 <lewyssmith> Come here for some hills!
19:35:11 <wilcal> any discussion on when M6.1 efforts will start marja
19:35:17 <tjandrews> It's OK. I should be farming, not playing with antique hardware, anyway.
19:35:23 <bria_n> hviaene:  can I come with you?  ;-)
19:35:45 <hviaene> Lewys, I love little bumps, not real hills
19:36:02 <lewyssmith> I met yesterday a spectacular Czeck girls doing Czeck -> Sn diago on a sophisticated *scooter*.
19:36:09 <hviaene> @ Brian, you come from where??
19:36:20 <bria_n> St. Louis, MO USA
19:36:52 <hviaene> That's far away!!!!
19:37:08 <wilcal> Gateway to the West
19:37:09 <bria_n> it would be a long wet bike ride.  I guess I'll pass
19:37:30 <wilcal> anything else
19:37:33 <tjandrews> I need to get back to work. My brother is glowering at me.
19:37:43 <kekePower> see you Tom
19:37:43 <hviaene> Not from me
19:37:49 <bria_n> nada
19:37:56 <lewyssmith> hviaene, Have a nice time, anyway. The Netherlands are nice (you knwo).
19:38:08 <wilcal> ok crew I think a quick look at this 63 update is pretty important
19:38:16 <wilcal> test it asap
19:38:16 <bria_n> k
19:38:27 <wilcal> Do a net install even to a Vbox client
19:38:39 <lewyssmith> Good crowd tonight again. Thanks for coming.
19:38:39 <wilcal> repo makes no difference local or remote
19:38:45 <wilcal> thanks all
19:38:53 <bria_n> bye all
19:38:54 <hviaene> G'night all
19:38:58 <wilcal> Count down time
19:39:02 <wilcal> T-5
19:39:11 <lewyssmith> Goodbye all. Thanks Bill.
19:39:13 <wilcal> T-4
19:39:16 <wilcal> bye all
19:39:19 <wilcal> T-3
19:39:22 <wilcal> T-2
19:39:27 <wilcal> T-1
19:39:30 <wilcal> #endmeeting