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20:02:34 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Who's new? - If you are then come and say hello.
20:02:35 <wilcal> I' m likely to log out then shortly log back in. Carry on
20:02:47 <DavidWHodgins> Welcome everyone to another qa team irc meeting
20:02:56 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who hasn't been to one before?
20:03:23 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Spectre and Meltdown kernel updates
20:03:52 <DavidWHodgins> We have what are likely to be the final kernel updates for spectre/meltdown. Any problems found with them so far?
20:04:03 <wilcal> Is that what is in the updates testing now
20:04:09 <DavidWHodgins> Yes
20:04:23 <wilcal> I am literally testing that as we "speak"
20:04:29 <wilcal> on real nvidia hardware
20:04:30 <DavidWHodgins> The 4.14.18 updates
20:04:33 <wilcal> yes
20:04:51 <tmb> well ... "final" ... thats for now, yes but time will tell :)
20:05:04 <DavidWHodgins> Knock on wood. :-)
20:05:06 <wilcal> I've already testing it in Vbox Mate and that went fine
20:05:34 <brian_> any more coming for mga5 or are we done with that?
20:05:52 <wilcal> So after this meeting I'll plow through all the Vbox host/client testing
20:05:52 <DavidWHodgins> Given today's news from intel, there will likely still be another microcode update for spectre
20:05:59 <rindolf> i use the latest kernel-desktop on mga7
20:06:24 <Luigi12_phone> Brian_: there will be more
20:06:28 <wilcal> Ok brb
20:06:36 <DavidWHodgins> I'll do my bulk testing of all of the kernel flavors on both arches on real hardware and under vb later today
20:06:49 <tjandrews> New microcodes? I'm kinda hoping they'll help with the i586 suspend/resume problem.
20:07:16 <wilcal> Hello all
20:07:17 <brian_> ok
20:07:37 <rindolf> wilcal: hi, sup?
20:07:38 <tmb> no, there is no more kernel coming for mga5... According to GregKH, the ibrs/ibpb/... spectre bits will probably not ever land in 4.4 series
20:07:55 <wilcal> All new everything here
20:08:08 <Luigi12_phone> Yeah I didn't mean kernels
20:08:11 <DavidWHodgins> I don't normally use hibernate/resume. Get's too easy to confuse things with so many installs all sharing the same swap.
20:08:26 <tmb> so we have all bits we can provide for now... so lets bury it ...
20:09:19 <DavidWHodgins> I'm not ready to have the mgaonline start showing the upgrade option, as there are still problems be be sorted first, though mgaonline itself is now fixed.
20:09:21 <brian_> that works on mga5.
20:10:06 <brian_> mgaonline - seems best to be at command line or from classic
20:10:23 <DavidWHodgins> During my testing of mgaonline under vb, going from kde to plasma now works, but x fails to start after the upgrade
20:10:25 <brian_> seemed to work great on my intel hardware
20:10:42 <tmb> intel started releasing new "final" microcodes for Skylake today, and the others should be released "in the coming days..."
20:10:54 <Luigi12_phone> David, what video card?
20:10:58 <DavidWHodgins> brian_: mgaonline includes the mgaapplet that displays the notification when updates are available, or when it's time to upgrade to the next release
20:11:27 <brian_> yes, went to mgaonline --test I believe and did the upgrade
20:11:42 <brian_> anyhow, just let me know when to try one again
20:12:11 <brian_> I noticed Kubuntu more or less said don't even try
20:12:55 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_phone: This was under vb. The host has an ati radeon hd 5450
20:14:08 <DavidWHodgins> I have another Mageia 6 install that is working under vb, so just have to figure out why the vboxvideo kernel module will not load after the upgrade, while it will with the same version in a clean install.
20:14:09 <Luigi12_phone> Ahh weird.  Right before the Mageia 6 release my upgrade test in VB didn't have that problem.  Wonder what the reason is.
20:15:11 <DavidWHodgins> I'm thinking it may be dkms building the module too soon. Will try removing/reinstalling the guest additions to see if that fixes it.
20:15:12 <Luigi12_phone> Is xorg.conf using the right module?  Should be modesetting now IIRC.
20:15:12 <tmb> spectre/meltdown fixes all over ?
20:15:21 <DavidWHodgins> There is no xorg.conf file
20:15:47 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. RIght. May need to change the kernel options. Forgot about that.
20:15:56 <DavidWHodgins> Will check it after the meeting.
20:17:02 <DavidWHodgins> IIRC, it's the nokmsboot option that either has to be added, or removed.
20:17:19 <Luigi12_phone> We might just need a quick note about it in the Release Notes
20:17:22 <tmb> note that current vbox 5.2.6 is known to have some issues vith vboxadditions if you have 3d enabled... something that they have fixed in binary-only 5.2.7 packages and should hopefully land as source in 5.2.8
20:18:21 <Luigi12_phone> Hopefully we can enable the applet soon.
20:19:02 <DavidWHodgins> I'll do some more experimenting, and report back on the results.
20:19:32 <tmb> also, I'll look into releasing the drakx fixes from Martinw for mga6 now that spectre/meltdown is slowin down... (I've alreay pushed them to cauldron without issues...)
20:20:02 <tmb> so that could/should help with some issues too
20:20:02 <DavidWHodgins> Good. Would be nice to include those when we build the 6.1 iso images
20:20:13 <tmb> yes, thats the intention
20:20:56 <DavidWHodgins> I'd like to hold off having mgaapplet show the upgrade option until 6.1 is ready for release too.
20:21:27 <DavidWHodgins> Hopefully that will not take too long. I'm thinking a week or two.
20:21:53 <Luigi12_phone> Do you want to wait until we've tested upgrades with the Plasma update?
20:22:27 <Luigi12_phone> I don't have strong feelings either way
20:23:02 <DavidWHodgins> Depends on how long it's likely to take to get the plasma update. I'm inclined to say wait, as that would hopefully give a better result for people upgrading from kde4.
20:24:02 <DavidWHodgins> Any other questions or comments on the spectre fiasco, or upgrading from m5?
20:24:38 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing updates - Any other difficulties, problems, issues?
20:25:23 <wilcal> Working the kernel now
20:25:25 <DavidWHodgins> For nasm, based on the cve list it does not include any of the spectre fixes.
20:26:03 <Luigi12_phone> Looks like we've made good progress on the currently pending updates.  I haven't had time all week to look for new security issues.
20:26:16 <DavidWHodgins> I'm surprised by that, as I though compilers/assemblers were a target for the mitigation techniques
20:26:24 <Luigi12_phone> Is nasm getting Spectre-related changes?
20:26:51 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_phone: Guessing you'll be swamping us again next week then. :-)
20:27:33 <Luigi12_phone> Hope not, but we'll see.  Working track meets all this week.
20:27:44 <DavidWHodgins> For tomcat, check some of the prior updates
20:27:50 <Luigi12_phone> At one now, starts in a half hour.
20:28:07 <DavidWHodgins> NetworkManager should be easy to test under vb
20:28:10 <tjandrews> Doing the i586 kernels on my laptop at the moment
20:29:27 <DavidWHodgins> For wayland, I'm guessing that has to be done using the gnome desktop. Check the processes running to ensure the packages listed in the update are actually being used.
20:29:40 <tmb> well, networkmanager could do with some real hw tests too as for example wireless stuff cant be tested in vbox
20:29:56 <Luigi12_phone> Someone asked me to check if Konsole fonts are still tiny in Mageia 6, but I can't check now.
20:30:26 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Ok
20:30:51 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_phone: The default is smaller than I like, but usable.
20:30:55 <tmb> I've vbeen running the wayland packages for ~1,5 day now on my x86_64 gnome install (laptop with intel hw)
20:31:19 <DavidWHodgins> I always increase the font size a couple of sizes
20:32:04 <DavidWHodgins> I have gnome installed, just very rarely use it on real hardware. Will check it though.
20:33:01 <DavidWHodgins> I've switched to mate on my main system, as my default desktop. Prefer it over plasma.
20:33:19 <brian_> ok - I can help on gnome I think.  using wayland, i defaulted it to x
20:33:38 <DavidWHodgins> Still have all of the available desktops installed, so I can test them.
20:33:42 <brian_> but it is easy to switch
20:33:45 <kekePower> Should MGA5 also get the nasm update?
20:34:02 <Luigi12_phone> Keke: not neccesary
20:34:06 <kekePower> ok
20:34:10 <DavidWHodgins> Not unless it includes fixes for spectre, which based on the cve list it does not.
20:34:26 <Luigi12_phone> Limiting mga5 to packages that affect most systems
20:34:56 <Luigi12_phone> Or servers
20:35:25 <DavidWHodgins> The specre/meltdown cve ids are cve-2017-5753, 5715, and 5754
20:35:58 <DavidWHodgins> I guess that just leaves ...
20:36:01 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Anything else?
20:36:16 <wilcal> I'm done got to get back to testing that kernel
20:36:29 <tjandrews> I'm willing to test on Plasma 5.12 etc. in vbox when the time comes, but I was hoping for somewhat more detailed guidance on what to install and what not to than I've seen so far.
20:37:12 <DavidWHodgins> We need the list of packages involved, before we can really decide how to go about testing.
20:37:30 <tmb> tjandrews, just wait for a bugreport to show up listing what to test...
20:37:40 <tjandrews> Right. Trying to be patient...
20:38:51 <DavidWHodgins> One option I like to use is to run "urpmi --auto-select --test", then copy/paste from the selected list into a final urpmi command without the --test option.
20:39:32 <DavidWHodgins> Anyway, looks like countdown time.
20:39:36 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5
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20:39:57 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone!
20:40:01 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting