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20:04:22 <tarazed_> I need to lear all the shortcuts
20:04:44 <lewyssmith> #topic any one new here?
20:04:56 <lewyssmith> If os, pleas say something!
20:05:25 <tarazed_> There seem to be a couple or three new testers, but maybe not here
20:05:44 <lewyssmith> Can you enlatge on that?
20:06:23 <tarazed_> Don;t remember specific names but there have been some unfamiliar ones doing tests.
20:06:43 <tmb> might be part of mentoring process
20:06:55 <lewyssmith> Good news. So let us move on to that...
20:07:03 <tarazed_> They seemed to know what they were doing.
20:07:05 <lewyssmith> #topic Updates
20:07:27 <lewyssmith> You will have ti fill me in; I have been out of circulation.
20:08:06 <tarazed_> The 4.14.1 rollout.  Some of us are uncertain about the ancillary packages - more than one machine?
20:08:41 <tarazed_> Firmware for sure
20:09:04 <tmb> well, firmware behaves the same regardless of arch
20:09:48 <tmb> kernel and nvidia drivers are those that preferably need testing on both arches...
20:10:00 <tarazed_> But not all machines have the same hardware.
20:10:45 <tmb> haveing said that... all packages currenly in testing are also currently in use in Cauldron, so if there would be some real issues... we'd already know...
20:11:44 <tarazed_> That is reassuring.
20:12:51 <tmb> for btrfs-progs, xfsprogs, xtables-addons, iproute  they can all be tested in vbox, no need for real hw tests
20:13:04 <tarazed_> And we should be more confident about assigning the OKs?
20:13:12 <lewyssmith> I have just seen the updates list: grim. I shall be able to sweep off a few tomorrow. The kernel updates are always lengthy.
20:13:38 <tarazed_> Yes, I have about five machines for kernel testing.
20:13:48 <Bequimao> The background at boot switches from dark to bright and back. is that ok?
20:14:02 <lewyssmith> tmb, For btrfs, xfs, surely we need somebody with those filesystems?
20:14:58 <Bequimao> I have both on real hardware. But don't use xfs with Mageia.
20:15:01 <tmb> and virtualbox seems to be tested enough on both arches
20:15:24 <tarazed_> Bequimao: by bright you mean Plymouth?  It happens here.  Assumed it was normal.
20:15:32 <tmb> I have xfs running here on a 12TB filesystem so I'll add that to the BR
20:15:42 <Bequimao> tarazed_: yes
20:16:19 <lewyssmith> Bequimao, Could you at least mount & play wityh the XFS partition under Mageia6?
20:16:24 <rindolf> tmb: is BR bug report?
20:16:44 <Bequimao> lewyssmith: yes
20:16:48 <tmb> rindolf, yeah I meant the bugreport in this case
20:16:58 <rindolf> tmb: ah
20:17:28 <lewyssmith> I will review the bugs tomorrow for possible OKs, e.g. VB.
20:17:29 <tmb> And I see Ulrich has tested btrfs + btrfs-progs on x86_64
20:17:45 <Bequimao> Ulrich: that is me.
20:18:18 <lewyssmith> !
20:18:22 <tmb> Bequimao, ah :)
20:19:05 <tmb> and for xtables-addons, AFAIK current users can be counted on one hand, so ...
20:20:50 <lewyssmith> All these comments have been encouraging.
20:22:21 <tmb> I will try to write up proper advisories for those still missing it
20:22:35 <lewyssmith> Is there anything to add here? Or shall we move on?
20:22:46 <tmb> but it will have to be tomorrow..
20:22:56 <lewyssmith> No rush.
20:23:22 <lewyssmith> #topic Anything else?
20:23:41 <tmb> the mga5 kernels are the last kernels for mga5 unless some extremely critical issue pops up
20:23:55 <tarazed_> Are we still on track for mga5 EOL?
20:24:02 <lewyssmith> Benmc, Ben, can I rely on you to circulate the IRC links?
20:24:09 <DavidWHodgins> Sorry I'm late. Lot's of snow here.
20:24:16 <tmb> tarazed_, yes
20:24:21 <lewyssmith> tarazed_, I do not see why not - e,,d of year?
20:24:27 <lewyssmith> end
20:25:02 <tarazed_> ISOs?
20:25:28 <lewyssmith> When they arrive - but need the kernels OKs.
20:25:40 <lewyssmith> Making them urgent.
20:25:41 <tmb> well isos cant be built until we validate current 4.14 stack
20:26:10 <tarazed_> That is what worries me.
20:26:23 <tmb> tarazed_, why ?
20:26:44 <rindolf> DavidWHodgins: hi
20:27:01 <tarazed_> Don't we have to test the upgrade process before mga5 retires.
20:27:43 <lewyssmith> That could be a separate issue altogether.
20:27:47 <DavidWHodgins> As per the blog post, we are not recommending upgrading, so it doesn't hold the eol
20:28:04 <tarazed_> Had forgotten that.  OK.
20:28:30 <DavidWHodgins> Would be nice to add an update for mgaonline so instead of the upgrade icon, it shows a link to the blog post
20:29:26 <DavidWHodgins> The 6.1 iso images are only to allow installing on new hardware
20:29:27 <tmb> well, for kde/plasma upgraders that is... Gnome and other DEs upgrades nicely
20:30:18 <DavidWHodgins> I guess only kde users use kdm, which I understand has some problems with the switch to sddm
20:30:22 <lewyssmith> We should still try upgrading from the Classic ISO. That should work, suitably fiddles, Plasma apart.
20:30:49 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, part of the iso validation, but as usual, only with online media enabled.
20:31:59 <tmb> anyway, nothing else from me
20:32:02 <DavidWHodgins> I need to skim the bug reports to confirm. Has the nvidia testing for the new kernels been going ok?
20:32:14 <lewyssmith> tmb, Thanks for your helpful comments.
20:32:15 <DavidWHodgins> Fine here with ati hardware
20:32:38 <tarazed_> Yes, thanks Thomas.
20:33:35 <lewyssmith> With so many of use impeded by bad weather, we shall probably cope better.
20:33:45 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:34:06 <lewyssmith> tarazed_, How is it with you? Bad, I think.
20:34:59 <lewyssmith> Silence... So countdown time?
20:35:05 <DavidWHodgins> Yeah
20:35:12 <lewyssmith> -5
20:35:15 <tarazed_> lewis: Not so bad.  A bit icy.
20:35:22 <lewyssmith> Thanks to those who came.
20:35:26 <lewyssmith> -4
20:35:26 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for chairing
20:35:33 <lewyssmith> -3
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20:35:38 <lewyssmith> -1
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20:35:43 <tarazed_> Yes Lewis - thanks for chairing.
20:35:52 <lewyssmith> #endmeeting