20:02:08 <DavidWHodgins> #startmeeting
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20:02:21 <DavidWHodgins> #chair Benmc lewyssmith
20:02:21 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: Benmc DavidWHodgins lewyssmith
20:02:28 <lewyssmith> Welcome Thomas.
20:02:32 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Who's new? - If you are then come and say hello.
20:02:45 <lewyssmith> tarazed_, Good evening Len
20:02:46 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who hasn't been to a qa team irc meeting before?
20:02:56 <DavidWHodgins> #chair tarazed_
20:02:56 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: Benmc DavidWHodgins lewyssmith tarazed_
20:03:06 <tarazed_> Hi Lewis and all
20:03:33 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Mageia 6.1
20:03:56 <kekePower> I feel great about a 6.1 release
20:04:23 <tmb> dont jinx it :)
20:04:24 <kekePower> a lot has changed since the release and necessitates this version bump, imho
20:04:38 <DavidWHodgins> As discussed in the council meeting on Tuesday, 6.1 is just waiting for the enext version of Virtualbox and the kernel. Once they've gone through testing for Mageia 6, the iso creation for 6.1 will then start.
20:04:41 <kekePower> tmb: hopefully not :O
20:05:05 <kekePower> DavidWHodgins: which kernel version are we talking about?
20:05:29 <tmb> we will be using 4.14...
20:05:43 <kekePower> tmb: oh
20:05:45 <DavidWHodgins> Giving that it'll be the same as 6, but with updates included, and possible a couple of installer fixes, it should be fairly quick to test.
20:05:48 <tarazed_> What is the timescale for these two things?
20:06:01 <tmb> I have it in testing repos for now (in mga6 currently in backports_testing)
20:06:10 <lewyssmith> Are we going to be allowed to try some simplifying of procedures? Or will that have to wait for M7?
20:06:25 <kekePower> tmb: I'm still clinging to 4.9.x for vmware as it works fine with this kernel
20:06:27 <tmb> simplifying what?
20:06:38 <lewyssmith> QA procedures.
20:06:38 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Which procedures?
20:06:42 <kekePower> 4.13 was a bit flaky, but haven't tested 4.14
20:07:03 <tjandrews> If we are going to do this, it would definitely be good to do so before we roll up our sleeves for M7 isos.
20:07:08 <DavidWHodgins> There will be no pre-release iso images, etc. Procedures will be the same as for Mageia 6.
20:07:26 <lewyssmith> So no simplifactions?
20:07:54 <kekePower> I would also like to see Kodi 17.6 included in 6.1 since it will be the last 17 version released
20:07:57 <DavidWHodgins> No changes at this time. We'll discuss possible changes to include for Mageia 7
20:08:07 <tmb> yeah, since QA has already validated updates that will be merged, just testing it still boots/installs ...
20:08:29 <DavidWHodgins> The testing should be much quicker
20:08:44 <lewyssmith> We said that for 5.1...
20:09:09 <tmb> We'll keep installer changes to minimum, basically only add info for detecting new hw supported by 4.14
20:09:32 <DavidWHodgins> I'll send a msg to the qa-iso-testers as soon as the iso generation starts
20:10:37 <DavidWHodgins> There are a couple of bugs in diskdrake that Martin is working on that would be nice to include as they only seem to affect it when it's used in the installer, but if the fixes are not ready, we won't hold the release for them
20:11:33 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Figure some time next week?
20:12:31 <tmb> I think so... I just read vbox changesets and I see they have started filling the info for upcoming 5.2.2
20:13:30 <tmb> and 4.14 series kernel seems to behave nicely already :)
20:13:39 <DavidWHodgins> Actually, I think we can simplify things. Instead of alpha release etc, let's just go with the final 6.1 name with as many rebuilds as needed
20:14:19 <DavidWHodgins> Shouldn't be many rebuilds needed
20:14:26 <lewyssmith> Good. One step forward!
20:14:26 <DavidWHodgins> If any.
20:14:36 <tarazed_> :-)
20:14:40 <tmb> hopefully max 2 builds...
20:15:08 <tmb> (in case someone spots some bad enough issue on first build
20:15:20 <DavidWHodgins> We've done the release including updates a couple of times before, so it should be fairly straight forward this time.
20:15:53 <lewyssmith> What about the M5 upgrade mgapplet issue?
20:16:45 <lewyssmith> Perhaps it has no bearing on 6.1, just stopping supporting M5.
20:17:40 <DavidWHodgins> Due to the complexity of kde>plasma upgrades, there's no plan to bring back the notification for upgrading using it. People who want to upgrade will have to use one of the procedures in the wiki. Their was a blog post about it.
20:18:12 <lewyssmith> Will ther be release notes?
20:18:14 <DavidWHodgins> It's much safer to upgrade without the gui running
20:18:51 <DavidWHodgins> Yes. Very simple ones since it's just Mageia 6 with updates, in order to support newer hardware
20:19:37 <lewyssmith> I think Charles' sure update method should be in them, fiddly though it is.
20:19:45 <lewyssmith> upgrade method
20:20:07 <DavidWHodgins> Any questions about 6.1 before we move on?
20:20:34 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing updates - Any difficulties, problems, issues?
20:21:14 <lewyssmith> Whence came dropping the Chromium update for M5 ?
20:21:19 <kekePower> I just bought a new graphics card, nvidia gt 730, and had no issues switching from my old Radeon
20:21:20 <tarazed_> Time is a problem.  I have not been pulling my weight lately - so many distractions and now the Christmas monster has arrived.
20:21:37 <lewyssmith> tarazed_, Len stop pulling our leg!
20:22:16 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Did that to get the m6 update out. The m5 one isn't building, so will have to go into a seperate bug report later.
20:22:42 <tarazed_> kekePower: what generation is that in terms of nvidia modules?
20:22:43 <lewyssmith> AH. I remeber that. OK.
20:22:54 <lewyssmith> tarazed_, You have been diving in enough to drown.
20:23:21 <tarazed_> Bottom gear for a while.
20:23:24 <kekePower> tarazed_: it installed the 384.98 package
20:23:42 <kekePower> tarazed_: it's pci-e 2.0 card
20:23:51 <tarazed_> Thanks.
20:23:52 <DavidWHodgins> Looking through the updates, I don't remember testing php-mailer before bug 22051
20:23:55 <[mbot> Bug: ['php-phpmailer new XSS security issue', 'ASSIGNED', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22051
20:24:44 <lewyssmith> I am not keen on bchunk for M5 seeing the wrestling the Len & Herman had with it.
20:25:27 <tarazed_> The difficulty is getting hold of an uptodate cue file.  Editing is essential.
20:26:51 <lewyssmith> It seems so obscure, I wonder whether anyone uses it.
20:27:14 <tarazed_> Yes, indeed.
20:27:26 <DavidWHodgins> If we can't find one, worst case we just ensure the update installs cleanly over the prior version and the program runs without segfaulting etc.
20:27:32 <tarazed_> cdrdao may not have a maintainer either.
20:27:53 <lewyssmith> Really? It is rather fundamental.
20:28:15 <tarazed_> It seems to be out of date.
20:28:31 <tarazed_> I'll raise a bug on it.
20:29:13 <DavidWHodgins> Depends on what the changes were for. Security, bug fixes, etc. If only bug fixes and no one using Mageia has complained about those bugs, then it's pretty low priority
20:31:01 <DavidWHodgins> bugzilla is really slow responding right now
20:32:02 <tmb> not here
20:32:09 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins, can you please look at https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22053#c6. You might know how to verify that the code change is in the update; or tell me on the bug how to.
20:32:11 <[mbot> [ 22053 – perl-Catalyst-Plugin-Static-Simple new security issue CVE-2017-16248 ]
20:32:34 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. I'll look at it after the meeting.
20:32:59 <DavidWHodgins> media-wiki bug 22038, we've had before
20:33:00 <[mbot> Bug: ['mediawiki new security issues fixed upstream in 1.27.4', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22038
20:33:08 <lewyssmith> Does anyone know anything about 'mga-mirrors'?
20:33:30 <tmb> mga-mirrors?
20:33:34 <DavidWHodgins> Not sure why madb isn't showing the links for the bugzilla search or wiki for that bug
20:33:42 <lewyssmith> Once mediawiki is installed, it is routine to test.
20:34:14 <DavidWHodgins> The package mga-mirrors?
20:34:16 <lewyssmith> tmb, same bug as noted above.
20:34:30 <lewyssmith> -2 Yes.
20:35:25 <lewyssmith> The only date I saw was 2011...
20:35:45 <tmb> that's a mga infra package
20:37:54 <lewyssmith> Does it get used routinely?
20:38:15 <DavidWHodgins> Is that the one that that updates http://mirrors.mageia.org/status ?
20:40:25 <lewyssmith> Looks like we can move on?
20:40:40 <DavidWHodgins> Yeah.
20:40:58 <tmb> lewyssmith, yeah, its in active use on mirrors.mageia.org
20:41:16 <DavidWHodgins> apr-util is another one I don't remember seeing before. Will have to see how to test it.
20:41:45 <lewyssmith> Herman has already had a go; use Apache, it looks like.
20:42:02 <DavidWHodgins> Ok
20:42:28 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Anything else?
20:42:59 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Did you get a chance to review the procedure for setting up matching forward and reverse dns?
20:43:39 <DavidWHodgins> For everyone else, I documented the procedure so it can be added to a wiki page
20:43:54 <lewyssmith> No - not necessary now that you cleared the krb5 update. I will document & try it when & if things quieten down.
20:44:02 <DavidWHodgins> It's needed for testing updates to packages such as kerberos (krb5)
20:44:24 <DavidWHodgins> Sent it to lewis to add to the wiki. :-)
20:44:28 <lewyssmith> I kept your instructions!
20:44:56 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone have anything else?
20:45:09 <lewyssmith> Not here.
20:45:22 <DavidWHodgins> Countdown time then
20:45:27 <DavidWHodgins> T - 5
20:45:30 <DavidWHodgins> 4
20:45:33 <DavidWHodgins> 3
20:45:36 <DavidWHodgins> 2
20:45:38 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone.
20:45:39 <DavidWHodgins> 1
20:45:39 <tjandrews> Looks like I mostly lurked this week.
20:45:46 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone!
20:45:52 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting