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20:02:34 <DavidWHodgins> #chair wilcal lewyssmith MrsB
20:02:34 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB lewyssmith wilcal
20:02:49 <DavidWHodgins> Welcome to another qa team irc meeting.
20:02:58 <wilcal> lots of chairs :-))
20:03:02 <lewyssmith> More chairs than not.
20:03:20 <lewyssmith> Hello Chris.
20:03:35 <krisNL> evening lewis
20:03:46 <DavidWHodgins> Today's meeting was supposed to be a joint qa/council meeting to give a go/no-go for Mageia 5.1, but as the new iso images are not yet available, that isn't happening.
20:03:55 <DavidWHodgins> #info Today's meeting was supposed to be a joint qa/council meeting to give a go/no-go for Mageia 5.1, but as the new iso images are not yet available, that isn't happening.
20:04:02 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? - If you are then come and say hello.
20:04:24 <kirmonkey> Hello, just listening
20:04:31 <DavidWHodgins> So, anyone here who hasn't been to a qa team irc meeting before, who would like to join the qa team?
20:05:01 <marja> kirmonkey: welcome here
20:05:01 <DavidWHodgins> kirmonkey: That's fine. Today's meeting should be fairly quick
20:05:10 <kirmonkey> Thanks.
20:05:15 <lewyssmith> Our new Kostiantyn has been doing good things, carefully.
20:05:24 <DavidWHodgins> That's good.
20:05:30 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 5.1
20:05:48 <wilcal> We await some new isos should be this weekend
20:05:51 <DavidWHodgins> As above, still waiting for new iso images, so let's skip this topic for now.
20:05:52 <rindolf> Ah.
20:06:01 <lewyssmith> tarazed: Good evening, Len.
20:06:17 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates - Any difficulties, problems, issues?
20:06:18 <tarazed> Hi Lewis, and everybody
20:06:50 <DavidWHodgins> We currently have 9 updates and 1 backport to test
20:07:10 <wilcal> just validated wireshark :-))
20:07:28 <DavidWHodgins> The kernels need testing both on real hardware, and under Virtualbox, both i586 and x86_64 installs
20:07:37 <lewyssmith> The wretched list grows again like a trifid. 15 + 4.
20:07:49 <DavidWHodgins> Preferablly by as many people as possible.
20:08:11 <wilcal> kernels can be complex especially if it's a Vbox Host
20:08:19 <DavidWHodgins> Let's try and get the kernels tested by Saturday, and if no regressions found, validated
20:08:38 <lewyssmith> Everyone should always install the base updates like kernel & system.
20:08:48 <DavidWHodgins> Yes
20:09:06 <hviaene> Sheee, I never did up to now
20:09:18 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:09:22 <tarazed> I tend to skip vbox tests
20:09:32 <DavidWHodgins> Don't remove the old kernel till you're sure the new one works ok
20:09:38 <hviaene> Forgive me my sinspuke
20:09:58 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: I see why your updates-to-test figure has shrunk: you have been clearing those with 1 OK!
20:10:29 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, only hardware dependent software like kernels, etc. need both
20:10:57 <lewyssmith> Including one I asked Kostiantyn to do for x32.
20:11:07 <DavidWHodgins> We made that decision some time ago. Roughly 6 months, IIRC
20:11:22 <ennael> (hi all)
20:11:33 <tarazed> Morning Anne
20:11:34 <lewyssmith> Depends on how we are coping, normally; never permanent.
20:11:40 <wilcal> Hello anne
20:11:44 <DavidWHodgins> Hi ennael. Any news on iso images?
20:12:01 <ennael> I'm on it. Was at Paris event but just finished
20:12:25 <DavidWHodgins> So hopefully within a couple of hours then?
20:12:43 <ennael> Hope so
20:12:54 <lewyssmith> Need to be ultra careful on the packages front - out of date, discrepancies.
20:13:02 <hviaene> Yesssss!!!!!!!
20:13:07 <krisNL> yes
20:13:27 <DavidWHodgins> #info New Mageia 5.1 classical iso images expected within a few hours
20:13:52 <DavidWHodgins> When they are available, everyone please resync and start testing them asap
20:13:58 <lewyssmith> Are we expecting another round of Lives?
20:14:28 <tarazed> With the Broadcom fix?
20:14:33 <hviaene> ennael: un grand bisou!!!
20:14:40 <krisNL> No new lives, live are go
20:14:53 <wilcal> Martin Whitaker:
20:14:55 <wilcal> Please discuss whether you want a new set of Live ISOs to add the missing package
20:14:56 <wilcal> that allows the Broadcom 'wl' driver to be used. As Ben identified, this is needed
20:14:56 <lewyssmith> tarazed: I thought that was fixed by the latest kernel.
20:14:58 <wilcal> for some Broadcom wireless cards that don't work with the 'b43' driver. I don't
20:14:59 <wilcal> think this one was discussed at the council meeting - we only discovered it that day.
20:15:03 <brian___> sorry I'm late
20:15:22 <lewyssmith> Welcome Brian.
20:15:32 <brian___> anybody try really connecting from hexchat from i586-gnome live?
20:15:42 <krisNL> hi brian
20:15:46 <brian___> I was having some problems, but may have been a nickname issue
20:16:01 <brian___> :krisNL Hi
20:16:13 <DavidWHodgins> What is Martin's irc nic? I've forgotten
20:17:28 <rindolf> ennael: hi
20:17:34 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. martinw. Not present here today
20:17:50 <Benmc> the broadcom issue can be overcome if access to wired lan, driver can be installed, reboot system , then wifi can be configured
20:18:15 <DavidWHodgins> Benmc: That can't be done with a live iso (reboot loses any changes)
20:18:24 <Benmc> understood
20:18:50 <lewyssmith> Thanks Ben. A HOWTO should be in the ERRATA, I think.
20:19:08 <Benmc> agreed
20:19:47 <DavidWHodgins> I'll see if I can contact Martin via email to discuss this.
20:19:51 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Does a re-boot to the *installed* system lose changes?
20:20:09 <DavidWHodgins> No. It's no longer a live iso system, after install
20:20:21 <lewyssmith> Sorry, I have not played with a Live for ages.
20:20:47 <brian___> when running in just live mode, it won't remember any updates
20:20:59 <krisNL> install from live iso, get rpm on a usb stick, install on system
20:21:01 <DavidWHodgins> #action davidwhodgins to contact Martin about wl wireless module missing in live iso images
20:21:04 <brian___> and funny enough, I use live off a usb quite a lot
20:21:27 <lewyssmith> ennael: Anne, will you be posting a list of fixed issues with the announcement of new Classic ISOs?
20:23:15 <lewyssmith> BTAIM 5.1 ISOs have been mostly very good so far.
20:23:34 <ennael> at least the list of updated packages and reference to the bug
20:23:43 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks ennael
20:23:45 <lewyssmith> Thanks.
20:23:46 <ennael> it should also fix the size of dvd64
20:24:01 <DavidWHodgins> Yeah! :-)
20:24:12 <lewyssmith> TJ mentioned a lot of reduandant wifi pkgs.
20:26:03 <DavidWHodgins> Let's get back on the current topic
20:26:10 <lewyssmith> Agree.
20:26:15 <DavidWHodgins> Any questions about the updates waiting for testing?
20:26:30 <wilcal> not from me
20:26:44 <lewyssmith> quake2 may be just an installation test.
20:27:25 <DavidWHodgins> Doesn't look like Luigi12 is available. When he isn't, he usually posts the list of expected security fixes to the qa discuss mailing list, so I guess we can skip that topic too
20:27:41 <DavidWHodgins> So that only leaves ...
20:27:49 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:28:02 <wilcal> not from me
20:28:13 <brian___> nada
20:28:22 <DavidWHodgins> Countdown time then
20:28:27 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5
20:28:27 <lewyssmith> Someone said luigi thought he would not be able to attend henceforth. And there is our new tools/security list to look at.
20:28:52 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Do you have the url handy?
20:29:06 <lewyssmith> Let me try...
20:29:15 <stratocaster7> http://madb.mageia.org/tools/security
20:29:17 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Security issues ]
20:29:43 <DavidWHodgins> Yep that's it. Security bugs waiting for developers to fix and assign to qa
20:30:07 <lewyssmith> Beat me to it! But that is the sort of thing David forcast.
20:30:14 <DavidWHodgins> Wow. Some of them are ancient
20:30:15 <lewyssmith> forecast
20:30:50 <DavidWHodgins> 343 days for pax-utils
20:31:02 <lewyssmith> You should see how some M6 bugs have not been looked at for months.
20:31:23 <DavidWHodgins> So, anything else, or back to the countdown?
20:31:41 <DavidWHodgins> 4
20:31:42 <lewyssmith> C-D
20:31:46 <DavidWHodgins> 3
20:31:50 <DavidWHodgins> 2
20:31:53 <DavidWHodgins> 1
20:31:53 <wilcal> bye all\
20:31:57 <lewyssmith> Thanks for coming, to Dave for Chairing.
20:32:04 <rindolf> wilcal: byeeeee!
20:32:04 <hviaene> bye
20:32:06 <lewyssmith> Goodbye all.
20:32:08 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone. Watch for the new 5.1 iso images
20:32:15 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting