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20:04:44 <MrsB> Welcome everybody to another one
20:04:59 <MrsB> #chair wilcal DavidWHodgins
20:04:59 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB wilcal
20:05:03 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? - If you are, then come and say Hi!
20:05:08 <MrsB> Thanks dave dude
20:05:17 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who hasn't been to a qa team irc meeting before?
20:05:17 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today?
20:05:43 * MrsB sees new names
20:06:13 <MrsB> Milencho: are you joining today or just lurking?
20:06:24 <MrsB> either is fine :)
20:07:09 <MrsB> looks like just lurking
20:07:25 <MrsB> let's move on, say Hi if you come back
20:07:50 <MrsB> #topic Mageia 6
20:07:59 <MrsB> Sooooo...
20:08:14 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_6_Development
20:08:33 <MrsB> We can expct to see the first builds of ISOs very soon
20:08:39 <wilcal> Last week I was able to use boot.iso and install M6 on real hardware. Lots of things don't work and lots of scripting errors
20:08:55 <MrsB> yeah it's early days
20:09:02 <DavidWHodgins> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_ISO_testers
20:09:07 <wilcal> drakconf wants to start but dies
20:09:18 <MrsB> We're aiming for an installable system at this stage and lots of bug reports
20:09:26 <DavidWHodgins> At this stage, it's mostly does it install, boot, and work to a point.
20:09:29 <wilcal> plasma is running kinda  :-))
20:09:55 <MrsB> It's actually good to see it in this shape, usually alpha1 (or snapshot1) is quite stable as not much has changed
20:10:06 <MrsB> good to see we're well on the way
20:10:09 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Do we have an eta for the first iso images?
20:10:34 <wilcal> urpmi --auto-update don't work
20:10:42 <wilcal> script errors
20:10:52 <tmb> no idea...
20:11:02 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: script errors in the packages, or in urpmi itself?
20:11:07 <MrsB> #info The ISO tester list has been cleaned. If you intend to take part in testing pre-release ISOs as part of the team then please add your details there again. Thankyou :)
20:11:53 <wilcal> i don't know David. During the install script errors and also when I try the update
20:12:06 <brian__> oh ok
20:12:06 <wilcal> to early I think to complain
20:12:26 <DavidWHodgins> Everyone keep an eye on the qa-discuss mailing list. More info will be posted there when it becomes available.
20:12:53 <Benmc> wilcal: havent had urpmi issues hee
20:12:58 <Benmc> here
20:13:10 <MrsB> These are the things we're here to find wilcal. We can't expect a stable system at this point, as long as we can install it and log in then that's fine
20:13:34 <wilcal> i don't put much in anything at this point i can install and log it and play with plasma. Nirvana
20:13:49 <MrsB> yeah, cool, that's a win
20:13:50 <dvg_i> I assume we get an rsync password once there are isos?
20:13:57 <MrsB> yes
20:13:57 <DavidWHodgins> dvg_i: Yes
20:14:07 <dvg_i> good
20:14:19 <MrsB> Me, Dave or Bill will email everyone privately
20:14:50 <MrsB> Could you be pad monitor again please dvg_i?
20:15:11 <DavidWHodgins> Forgot about the pad. :-)
20:15:17 <dvg_i> i will do my best
20:15:30 <MrsB> thanks, thats always been more than enough
20:15:40 <dvg_i> but i cannot guarantee 100% availability
20:15:50 <MrsB> None of us can this year
20:15:50 <DavidWHodgins> dvg_i: No one can.
20:16:04 <dvg_i> awright
20:16:09 <MrsB> tyvm
20:16:20 <MrsB> Does anybody have any questions about testing ISOs?
20:17:06 <wilcal> i'm ready
20:17:12 <MrsB> There is alot of information on the wiki regarding ISO testing, you can find it :
20:17:13 <DavidWHodgins> Think there's any point in renaming the Mageia 5 iso images, or are they just too different?
20:17:13 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Pre-release_ISO_testing
20:17:15 <dvg_i> MrsB: havent done stg yet
20:18:04 <MrsB> Not sure Dave. installer will be similar I guess but they're bound to be more different than not
20:18:27 <dvg_i> any bites similar will reduce rsync time
20:18:29 <MrsB> it might save bandwidth for some who are limited
20:19:15 <MrsB> If there are no questions and everyone is OK with it, let's move on
20:19:30 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates - Any problems, difficulties, issues?
20:19:35 <MrsB> tah muchly
20:19:44 <MrsB> So first of all..
20:20:01 <brian__> uh oh - what'd I do?
20:20:07 <MrsB> #info I'd like to say a huge well done for some great teamwork testing updates recently!
20:20:10 <wilcal> list has been knocked down considerably
20:20:31 <MrsB> yeah, we're literally down to a handful, back where it should be
20:20:45 <MrsB> This is exactly where we need to be before we start testing ISOs
20:21:10 <wilcal> special kudos to MrsB on documenting how to test dovecot. Made it easy to test
20:21:23 <MrsB> the list has a habit of growing while we are busy elsewhere but if we can do we can try and keep on top of it at the same time
20:21:39 <DavidWHodgins> Waiting for python-ipaddress to reach my local mirror for the python-cryptography test
20:22:15 <MrsB> we should test those individually Dave I htink. Try and find a way to test each of them I mean
20:22:29 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone else here familiar with xen? I'd like to make sure it's not something dumb I'm doing wrong, as it's very rare that I've used xen
20:22:48 <MrsB> strace may be enough with python-cryptography to show them all working though
20:23:21 <MrsB> I've not played with xen before, was following oyur lead on that one
20:23:48 <DavidWHodgins> I've usually been able to get it working in the past, but not having much luck this time.
20:24:38 <DavidWHodgins> When I do get it working, I'll have to make better notes, and get them into the wiki.
20:24:44 <MrsB> AL13N might be able to help, if you can catch him
20:24:50 <MrsB> or a sysadmin type person
20:25:36 <DavidWHodgins> I'll ask on the dev and sysadmin mailing lists
20:26:20 <MrsB> yeah, we don't need to get in too deep with it. Is it a regression you found?
20:26:31 <DavidWHodgins> Yes
20:26:34 <MrsB> k
20:27:35 <DavidWHodgins> First the guest crashed when scanning usb devices. Next update caused the host to hard reboot. Next update back to guest crashing when scanning for usb devices.
20:28:21 <MrsB> in the installer?
20:28:43 <DavidWHodgins> When starting the guest with the installer iso
20:28:49 <MrsB> i saw tmb asked which kernel on the host, did you notice?
20:29:04 <DavidWHodgins> Yes. Added to bug report
20:29:08 <MrsB> kdokes
20:30:26 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's roundup
20:30:40 <DavidWHodgins> ping Luigi12_work
20:30:43 <DavidWHodgins> ping Luigi12_lappy
20:30:46 <MrsB> yeah sorry, was just looking
20:32:27 <MrsB> I guess he's teaching
20:32:45 <DavidWHodgins> Yeah. Hopefully he doesn't have anything to add. :-)
20:32:55 <MrsB> don't they realise we've got a meeting on Thursdays, so inconsiderate
20:33:11 <DavidWHodgins> lol
20:33:23 <DavidWHodgins> We'll come back to that if he shows up
20:33:26 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:33:30 <MrsB> Yep, that only leaves..
20:33:33 <MrsB> oh quick
20:33:37 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:33:45 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
20:33:54 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here
20:34:06 <brian__> neither
20:34:26 <MrsB> T - 5 then
20:34:32 <wilcal> one thing please
20:34:39 <MrsB> thanks for coming everyone, keep up the great work :)
20:34:42 <MrsB> oh
20:34:47 <MrsB> go on wilcal
20:34:52 <wilcal> lets talk about the status of Vbox + Kernel
20:35:04 <wilcal> updates
20:35:10 <MrsB> what do you want to say?
20:35:15 <DavidWHodgins> vbox is blocked by the kernel update
20:35:34 <wilcal> yes. So are we waiting for that kernel update and start test all over again
20:35:49 <wilcal> fwiw it takes me about a day to do what I do
20:36:18 <MrsB> Not necessarily, depends on the issue with the kernel. It's built for that kernel though so can't go separately
20:36:20 <DavidWHodgins> It may be a grub2 only problem. I haven't seen any problems with grub legacy.
20:36:40 <wilcal> is tmb here what he say
20:36:52 <MrsB> he'll respond on the bug when he can do
20:37:06 <wilcal> so both are essentially on hold
20:37:11 <tmb> push the kernel... Lewis has some other issues too
20:37:22 <MrsB> you're sure?
20:37:45 <tmb> like the 10m delay on installing kernels, something no-one else afaik have
20:38:08 <MrsB> Ok then, that solves that problem :)
20:38:12 <wilcal> ok
20:38:23 <DavidWHodgins> I'll validate the kernel and vb updates after the meeting. Hope it doesn't come back to haunt us. :-)
20:38:26 <MrsB> Could you help lewis revive his laptop when he's back online please
20:38:27 <tmb> it might be the 10m+ delay that kills drakx updating configs
20:38:33 <tmb> I'll try
20:38:36 <MrsB> thanks
20:38:46 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Perhaps the divider=10 issue
20:38:50 <MrsB> yeah, not sure how many grub2 testers it had
20:39:00 <DavidWHodgins> bug 44
20:39:02 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44 critical, High, erwanaliasr1, NEW , slow OS under VirtualBox, due to HZ=1000 (was mkinitrd fails in VB), syslinux, mageia-gfxboot-theme, drakx-installer-images
20:39:05 <MrsB> could be that Dave
20:39:20 <MrsB> the original BWNWDNM
20:39:23 <DavidWHodgins> That can affect real (old) hardware too
20:39:43 <MrsB> Ok, let's do it then
20:39:54 <wilcal> i have nothing else
20:39:59 <MrsB> #info tmb says kernel can be pushed, so kernel & vbox will be validated
20:40:02 <MrsB> thanks wilcal
20:40:10 <wilcal> got that behind us
20:40:11 <MrsB> Is there anythign else else?
20:40:18 <tmb> me...
20:40:24 <MrsB> oh :)
20:40:38 * MrsB halts the countdown
20:41:15 <tmb> sorry for being mostly MIA nowdays, but I have some weird health issues to fight again... no diagnose yet...
20:41:29 <MrsB> oh shit, sorry to hear that :(
20:41:39 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch
20:42:00 <DavidWHodgins> kernel and virtualbox updates now validated
20:42:03 <MrsB> take whatever time you need, of course
20:42:07 <wilcal> thks David
20:42:17 <MrsB> let us know what's happening would you please?
20:42:38 <marja> tmb: best wishes for your health
20:42:56 <tmb> yeah... I've been thinking of stepping down... but then again that's not something I want ... so ... :/
20:42:57 <DavidWHodgins> From me too
20:43:16 <dvg_i> all of us
20:43:37 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Just take it easy. If things get delayed, so be it. You're health is more important than Mageia deadlines
20:43:51 <MrsB> Well take a back seat. Recover. Do what you need to do and don't feel badly about it
20:43:55 <marja> ,+1
20:43:58 <DavidWHodgins> And pass of anything you can to other people
20:44:25 <MrsB> Have you made others aware yet or is this the first you've spoken of it?
20:44:37 <DavidWHodgins> I know that can be hard, as other people will make mistakes, but that's the only way they'll learn.
20:45:04 <MrsB> exactly Dave
20:45:22 <tmb> this is the first of it I speak of it... I had hoped to get some answers from tests I got this week, but nothing yet...
20:45:56 <MrsB> We'll all be thinking of you, and likely worrying. Please take it easy.
20:45:56 <tmb> On Monday/Tuesday I hopefully will get more info... maybe...
20:46:19 <MrsB> Do you want to tell people or rather someone else did it?
20:46:20 <tmb> that's all for now
20:46:45 <marja> let's hope it is something that can be treated well
20:46:59 <MrsB> yes very much so!
20:47:37 <MrsB> finght it Thomas, whatever it is. Your energy is needed more there than it is here.
20:47:40 <MrsB> fight*
20:48:01 <tmb> MrsB, yeah, I'm still way to stubborn to just give up :)
20:48:19 <MrsB> i know :) we love you for it
20:48:21 <marja> ,:-)
20:48:36 <DavidWHodgins> Learned the hard way, eventually you have to.
20:48:43 <MrsB> Let's round off the meeting and chat after
20:49:02 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here
20:49:04 <MrsB> Thanks for coming everybody, keep up the great work you've been doing!
20:49:11 <MrsB> #endmeeting