20:02:35 <MrsB> #startmeeting
20:02:35 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Oct 29 20:02:35 2015 UTC.  The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:02:48 <lewyssmith> I am again feeling very ropey, so will not stay long.
20:03:02 <MrsB> #chair wilcal DavidWHodgins
20:03:02 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB wilcal
20:03:11 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new
20:03:15 <MrsB> sorry to hear that lewis
20:03:35 <lewyssmith> Bunk_: ?
20:03:45 <MrsB> Is there anybody new today?
20:03:45 <Bunk_> yes
20:03:51 <MrsB> hi Bunk_
20:03:56 <Bunk_> Hello !
20:04:02 <lewyssmith> Welcome.
20:04:03 <MrsB> welcome to the QA team
20:04:17 <Bunk_> Ah, is there session today ?
20:04:26 <DavidWHodgins> Meeting just started
20:04:33 <MrsB> we have a meeting each Thursday
20:04:37 <rindolf> Bunk_: welcome.
20:05:08 <Bunk_> Hi rindolf - OK, i´m going to participate
20:05:16 <MrsB> Say a line to introduce yourself to the team and the guys will do the same
20:06:15 <MrsB> I'm Claire, admit to being 38, based in the UK, been part of QA since it began
20:06:41 <lewyssmith> She is the whip-cracker.
20:06:48 <MrsB> noggin knocker
20:06:49 <DavidWHodgins> I'm Dave Hodgins, from London, Ontario, Canada. Claire talked me into stepping up to be a qa team deputy leader, shortly after the team formed.
20:07:07 <DavidWHodgins> I'll be 55 in another month
20:07:25 <wilcal> "wilcal" for (Wil)liam in (Cal)ifornia, live near San Diego ( Surf City USA )
20:07:27 <wilcal> First official College computer class in Sept 1964, Computer Engineer 1968
20:07:45 <remyservices> David, 32, Colorado, USA, lurker who has been mia for months, plan on being more active if I can be. Windows sysadmin running Mageia as a hyper-v vm on Windows 10. (awaits lashing)
20:07:50 <Bunk_> Ah, ugh. I can´t say if i will be able to participate each week. I switched from XP to mageia 2 and i´m still an amateur. But it is more fun than windows. I´m into sports and sports streaming
20:08:03 <MrsB> hey remyservices ltns!
20:08:18 <dvg_i> Dick, central Netherlands, tester, older than aforementioned
20:08:25 <MrsB> and dvg :)
20:08:32 <dvg_i> giilty
20:08:38 <dvg_i> guilty
20:08:39 <DavidWHodgins> Bunk_: One of the things about being on the qa team, is that you get exposed to a lot of software you may otherwise never have looked at.
20:08:53 <lewyssmith> Bunk_: I am in irrascible Celtic expat in France.
20:09:28 <Bunk_> That´s cool. I try installing programms here and there for training purposes
20:09:48 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: ltns ?
20:09:59 <MrsB> nobody can possibly know all packages so it's very much standard to learn as you go
20:10:06 <MrsB> Long Time No See
20:10:11 <lewyssmith> Bunk_: Where are you?
20:10:12 <DavidWHodgins> Ah
20:10:45 <Bunk_> lewyssmith:  I live in the north of Germany
20:10:47 <rindolf> I'm Shlomi, 38 from Tel Aviv, ISrael.
20:10:58 <MrsB> Please never be afraid to ask for help where you need it, don't struggle
20:11:15 <Bunk_> Me ?
20:11:25 <DavidWHodgins> Bunk_: What name do you use on the mailing lists?
20:12:06 <Bunk_> Sure. It is the best way to learn // DavidWHodgins Not sure at the moment. But i enlisted in some of them
20:12:13 <DavidWHodgins> Bunk_: Yes. That's in relation to testing updates. If unclear how to test something, don't hesitate to ask.
20:13:05 <lewyssmith> Things are quite well documented in the Wiki.
20:13:21 <Bunk_> I have to dig out the lists first
20:13:30 <MrsB> You'll find it a friendly team I hope and enjoy taking part in making Mageia
20:13:48 <lewyssmith> qa-discuss if the most important.
20:13:52 <DavidWHodgins> Has ml.mageia.org been fixed yet so people can login to it?
20:14:25 <MrsB> If it has, please subscribe to qa-discuss and qa-bugs if you haven't already.
20:15:08 <MrsB> you can find all our documentation through the front page here https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Team
20:15:27 * treegazer waves
20:15:31 <Bunk_> MrsB:  I´m not sure if i´m skilled enough. Atm i´d guess i will not be able to be a co-worker, who can be relied on
20:15:37 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Right. You have to create an id and login at https://identity.mageia.org first
20:15:38 <[mbot> [ Mageia Identity Management ]
20:16:02 <MrsB> Everybody feels the same way initially Bunk_, try not to be overwealmed or intimidated
20:16:24 <lewyssmith> Bunk_: We have a good system of 'mentoring' for newcomers, someone to lean on.
20:16:31 <MrsB> we will assign you a mentor who will guide you through the process until you become more confident
20:16:51 <MrsB> Anyone wish to volunteer to be a mentor?
20:16:52 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like ml.mageia.org is still broken
20:17:08 <lewyssmith> I often do it...
20:17:10 <Bunk_> MrsB:  That´s very kind. But that is not the problem. I have many other things to do, that are more important than computers. Therfore i wanted to "warn"
20:17:16 <DavidWHodgins> Bunk_: Which timezone are you in?
20:17:22 <Bunk_> Berlin
20:17:29 <MrsB> We all are in the same boat Bunk_
20:17:56 <DavidWHodgins> That's why we have to spread the load over as many people, as possible
20:18:10 <MrsB> Lewis, you're our go-to mentor, are you free?
20:18:20 <lewyssmith> Bunk_: Even if you can OK just one update a week, that helps.
20:18:21 <treegazer> bunk: welcome. Like you, I have lots of other things I need to take care of but I try to make some time to help out.
20:18:36 <lewyssmith> MrsB: As much or little as ususal.
20:19:47 <MrsB> Could you swap details then if you're OK to do it and show him the ropes
20:20:09 <lewyssmith> I just need an e-mail address.
20:20:38 <MrsB> If you PM lewis with your email address please Bunk_ he will act as your mentor
20:20:48 <MrsB> thanks lewis
20:20:57 <lewyssmith> And real name?
20:21:32 <lewyssmith> Move on?
20:21:36 <MrsB> yup :)
20:21:39 <MrsB> thanks guys
20:21:56 <MrsB> #topic Testing updates
20:22:09 <DavidWHodgins> Skipping Mageia 6?
20:22:13 <MrsB> oops
20:22:18 <MrsB> #topic Mageia 6
20:22:27 <DavidWHodgins> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_6_Development
20:22:54 <MrsB> At the council meeting on Monday we agreed the dates we propose for Mageia 6 development
20:22:59 <Bunk_> OK MrsB
20:23:00 <MrsB> Tuesday even now
20:23:58 <MrsB> We've move away from "alpha" and "beta" naming to more accurately reflect the purpose of the releases
20:23:59 <DavidWHodgins> We're still waiting for the features to be finalized and approved
20:24:23 <MrsB> I've no idea yet how that will be reflected in the ISOs, they may stay the same
20:25:16 <lewyssmith> We MUST drop the English CDs.
20:25:39 <MrsB> Yes, this can be discussed. I'll raise it at the next council
20:25:57 <treegazer> lewyssmith, what's the issue with English CDs?
20:25:58 <lewyssmith> I still need to inject my contoversial package monitor idea.
20:26:02 <MrsB> You can see all meeting minutes, including council here - http://meetbot.mageia.org
20:26:03 <[mbot> [ Index of / ]
20:26:14 <lewyssmith> treegazer: We have far too many ISOs.
20:26:53 <MrsB> If it's a feature request you need to do so quickly Lewis, there should be a packagers meeting next week
20:27:34 <lewyssmith> treegazer: If you read my 'do better' series, you will have noted that we currently test hundreds & hundreds of ISOs. Clearly barmy.
20:27:45 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Will do.
20:28:22 <treegazer> are there any thoughts about having a "long term support" (LTS) version of Mageia (like Ubuntu has)? Asking because if installing a server it's good to know it does not have to be re-installed each year.
20:28:36 <DavidWHodgins> treegazer: Not enough room for software, so it gives a bad image of Mageia.
20:28:57 <MrsB> each release is already supported for at least 18 months so there should be no need to do so each year currently
20:29:06 <DavidWHodgins> LTS is under discussion, but still looks iffy.
20:29:56 <lewyssmith> Vlad is looking into automated installation testing. If that ca b emade to work, rolling release might become feasable.
20:30:34 <MrsB> yes, that's been somethign I've pushed for since we began
20:31:03 <MrsB> much of it could be automated
20:31:09 <DavidWHodgins> I don't have high hopes for automated testing. I've used it in the past (on ibm mainframes), but for linux, there are so many options and variables, I can't see it working well.
20:31:30 <lewyssmith> It's a Suse thingy.
20:31:40 <MrsB> it could at least ensure ISOs boot/install correctly in various scenarios before it reaches human hands
20:31:49 <lewyssmith> Exactly!
20:32:08 <DavidWHodgins> That's true
20:32:32 <MrsB> with a sufficient system in place we could release regular ISOs, even weekly during development
20:32:54 <lewyssmith> Not so fast.
20:33:42 <MrsB> Anyway that's a bit off topic
20:33:54 <MrsB> let's move on, if everybody is OK with this bit
20:34:02 <wilcal> ok here
20:34:04 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates
20:34:09 <MrsB> thanks Dave
20:34:18 <MrsB> (reall is Dave too)
20:34:39 <MrsB> http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates
20:34:41 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
20:34:43 <DavidWHodgins> Dave is a common name. :-)
20:34:55 <MrsB> Our list has grown again
20:35:05 <MrsB> and I fear is about to be hit with fresh kernels
20:35:35 <MrsB> Is there anything there which looks scary?
20:36:01 <lewyssmith> We are in danger of losing control. Too many of the updates are sticky things.
20:37:11 <MrsB> #info We need everybody to do a bit of testing. Even one OK a day or one a week is really helpful if you struggle to find time.
20:37:27 <MrsB> I know I've not been much help lately :\
20:37:39 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like postgresql, drupal, and mdadm are ready to validate. mediawiki just needs the advisory
20:37:46 <lewyssmith> For Xen I may well simply install it & then the update, without any other testing. It has been dragging for weeks.
20:37:49 <wilcal> touch  one-a-day anyway cept Sunday :-)
20:38:10 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: I ran into problems with xen. Forgot to add the feeback marker
20:38:24 <DavidWHodgins> The update does install cleanly
20:38:43 <MrsB> Let's push them through, even if it means minimal testing
20:39:02 <lewyssmith> Feedback it, please.
20:39:18 <MrsB> with mga6 on the horizon we need to keep the list as short as possible
20:39:33 <lewyssmith> mrsb: I OK'd mdadm with no testing.
20:39:33 <Bunk_> on the horizon O_O
20:40:17 <lewyssmith> Sane is stuck; cakephp is not trivial.
20:40:52 <MrsB> it's hard to test functionally without the requisite hardware lewis but if mdadm is responding then that points to it being OK. I'm sure anybody with RAID will step in to test though if they're concerned
20:41:12 <DavidWHodgins> feedback marker added for xen, with a comment for Thomas
20:41:36 <MrsB> Bunk_: we test each development release too
20:41:57 <DavidWHodgins> mdadm can be tested in virtualbox, with two virtual drives
20:41:58 <MrsB> each ISo of each development release on each arch
20:42:30 <Bunk_> MrsB: I agree. Seems to be reasonable
20:42:31 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Too late!
20:42:38 <DavidWHodgins> lol
20:43:14 <MrsB> What else looks hard?
20:43:42 <MrsB> openttd is a good one for a new starter :)
20:45:04 <wilcal> a couple looked to be career builders lemme see
20:45:34 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17024
20:45:36 <[mbot> Bug 17024: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , libxml2 new security issue CVE-2015-7942, libxml2-2.9.1-11.1.mga5.src.rpm
20:45:52 <MrsB> we have a procedure for that one on the wiki IINM
20:46:02 <DavidWHodgins> That has a procedure. It's pretty straight forward.
20:46:14 <wilcal> ya I was looking that one over
20:46:22 <MrsB> libxslt has one too i think
20:46:34 <lewyssmith> What *are* openttd & opengfx?
20:46:37 <wilcal> today I took out phbmyadmin
20:46:55 <MrsB> great, can also use that in testing new php
20:47:03 <wilcal> yes
20:47:24 <wilcal> flex'n my muscles for the upcoming kernels
20:47:44 <MrsB> yeah woo look at the ripples!
20:48:03 <DavidWHodgins> openttd is a game, the openttd-opengfx is just different graphics for the game
20:48:08 <treegazer> openttd seems to be open Transport Tycoon Delux - a game port https://www.openttd.org/en/
20:48:09 <[mbot> [ OpenTTD ]
20:48:35 <lewyssmith> Thanks.
20:48:35 <MrsB> vidalia is probably the most complex one there i think
20:48:52 <lewyssmith> Another career- builder.
20:49:13 <MrsB> the bug seems pretty straight forward though. It just changes where it looks for config files
20:49:14 <Bunk_> Why not dumping vidalia when there is the browser bundle ?
20:49:41 <MrsB> we don't package tor browser bundle
20:49:55 <DavidWHodgins> May be easy, or may be difficult. Depends on how much configuration is required, and how well it's documented. Haven't looked at it yet.
20:50:50 <MrsB> our tor package is simple to use, so vidalia shouldn't be too difficult
20:51:25 <MrsB> Any others?
20:52:07 <MrsB> Thanks then guys, let's push them through and clear the backlog
20:52:12 <lewyssmith> You must excuse me; I'm off.
20:52:13 <DavidWHodgins> openra is another game. Easy to test for someone new to testing.
20:52:18 <rindolf> lewyssmith: bye
20:52:19 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Take care
20:52:21 <MrsB> OK thanks lewis, Nite
20:52:56 <MrsB> Let's move on then and see if David is in da house
20:53:29 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi12_lappy's roundup
20:53:37 <MrsB> thanks Dave (real)
20:53:49 <DavidWHodgins> ping Luigi12_work
20:53:57 <MrsB> Luigi12_lappy: ping-a-ling
20:54:42 <Luigi12_work> pong-a-gong
20:54:49 <MrsB> at work :)
20:55:14 <Luigi12_work> give me a minute
20:55:24 <MrsB> oh dear, is it that bad
20:55:39 <Luigi12_work> no, just got some CVE assignments for things we already had filed
20:57:53 <Luigi12_work> ok
20:58:10 <Luigi12_work> bruno is planning (probably) to update docker
20:58:31 <Luigi12_work> bouncycastle has a pending update, I guess neoclust or david_david will handle that one
20:58:48 <MrsB> we don't do much with that one iirc
20:59:14 <Luigi12_work> and Götz filed bugs about security issues in libebml and libmatroska.  I haven't had a chance to look into them yet (there weren't many details available when he reported them), but those will need to be updated too.
20:59:27 <Luigi12_work> yeah bouncycastle is just Java crap, so won't be much to test there
20:59:39 <Luigi12_work> that's all
20:59:43 <Luigi12_work> tmb's working on kernels as you noticed
20:59:47 <MrsB> #info updates coming for docker and bouncycastle. Also libebml and libmatroska.
20:59:53 <MrsB> that was painless
20:59:57 <MrsB> apart from those
20:59:58 <Luigi12_work> yeah thankfully
21:00:05 <Luigi12_work> wish I could say the same for $dayjob.  oh well
21:00:15 <MrsB> know the feeling :)
21:00:37 <MrsB> Thanks Luigi12_work
21:00:50 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
21:00:58 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here
21:01:01 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
21:01:07 <Bunk_> Hm...
21:01:09 <dvg_i> aye
21:01:25 <Bunk_> As to subscriptions
21:01:35 <dvg_i> has anyone seen digikam segfault in Cauldron?
21:01:50 <Bunk_> what login data is required here ? http://madb.mageia.org/login
21:01:51 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db ]
21:01:53 <dvg_i> the 5 alpha was okay, but beta not
21:02:11 <rindolf> dvg_i: when and how does it segfault?
21:02:17 <MrsB> Bunk_: at the moment it is separate from the main Mageia identity system
21:02:36 <MrsB> the intention is to link it in, so it will eventually use your main mageia login
21:02:37 <dvg_i> rindolf: when i try to dl pics from iPad
21:02:49 <Bunk_> MrsB: OK
21:03:00 <dvg_i> rindolf: but I didnt pursue it very far yet
21:03:01 <rindolf> dvg_i: ah, I don't have an iPad.
21:03:26 <MrsB> That is developed by stormi btw Bunk_ so if you have any queries about it, he's your man :)
21:03:48 <dvg_i> rindolf: i will see and try alpha again but needs obsolete libs
21:04:25 <dvg_i> rindolf: which i usually have here, but needs work
21:05:05 <Bunk_> OK, i have it in the log.
21:05:37 <Bunk_> Another one
21:05:59 <MrsB> dvg_i: do other applications owrk ok with your ipad?
21:06:06 <MrsB> work*
21:06:12 <Bunk_> I went here to sub while logged in https://ml.mageia.org/l/subscribe/announce , but there is no log in option ?
21:06:13 <[mbot> [ announce - Mageia announces - subrequest ]
21:06:47 <dvg_i> MrsB: dunno which could do it, might be a gnome prog, but dunno
21:07:01 <DavidWHodgins> Bunk_: That's been reported. bug 17009
21:07:03 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17009 normal, Normal, sysadmin-bugs, NEW , No login field on Mailing list page ml.mageia.org
21:07:12 <Bunk_> OK
21:07:15 <DavidWHodgins> Just waiting for it to get fixed
21:07:25 <MrsB> Bunk_: I assume that is what Dave was refering to earlier. It's usually at the top and requires your email (not username) and password to log in there.
21:07:30 <dvg_i> MrsB: if I find out enough will post a bug
21:07:52 <MrsB> I*things have a lib don't they
21:08:04 <MrsB> libidevice rings a bell
21:08:26 <Bunk_> Mabe i have another bug.
21:08:33 <Bunk_> I can not open KGpg
21:09:02 <DavidWHodgins> Hmm kgpg is working here on my Mageia 5 i586 kde system
21:09:11 <MrsB> Have you filed a bug report for it Bunk_? It's worth searching first to see if it has already been reported before you do
21:09:35 <DavidWHodgins> Try killing it, if it's running, then run it from konsole, and see if there are any error messages
21:09:39 <rindolf> Bunk_: does it happen in a new user?
21:10:23 <Bunk_> A new user. Such as a guest ? // no, have not filed a bug report
21:10:34 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. good point. I haven't tried it where ~/.gnupg/ doesn't exist
21:11:05 <DavidWHodgins> Testing that now
21:12:17 <Bunk_> MrsB:  You mean here ? https://bugs.mageia.org/
21:12:19 <[mbot> [ Mageia Bugzilla Main Page ]
21:12:23 <MrsB> A common way of testing for meatware errors is by creating a new user on your system and logging in as the new user. If the package works ok for the new user then it usually points to user configuration issue.
21:12:53 <MrsB> that's it, yes
21:13:29 <Bunk_> rindolf: kgpg as $ would be the command ?
21:13:36 <Bunk_> does not go
21:13:44 <rindolf> Bunk_: what?
21:14:29 <DavidWHodgins> Bunk_: kgpg is working here in a new user. Note that the icon may be hidden, so you have to click on the up arrow in the system tray, to see it.
21:14:31 <MrsB> Let's end the meeting and perhaps rindolf can help you to debug it afterwards
21:14:42 <MrsB> Is there anything else else?
21:14:43 <wilcal> sounds like a plan
21:14:46 <wilcal> not from me
21:15:07 <MrsB> T - 5 then
21:15:13 <MrsB> thanks for being here everybody
21:15:31 <MrsB> let's have a push testing updates and get the list down where it ought to be
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21:15:46 <MrsB> #endmeeting