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19:03:29 <MrsB> Morning everybody welcome to another one
19:03:40 <MrsB> #chair wilcal
19:03:40 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: MrsB wilcal
19:03:47 <MrsB> who's going to be dave today?
19:03:55 <lewyssmith> Bill.
19:04:21 <wilcal> I can't be dave and wilcal :-))
19:04:24 <MrsB> #topic Who's new?
19:04:28 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:04:32 <wilcal> but i'll try
19:04:42 <MrsB> fell up to being Dave Dave?
19:04:50 <MrsB> feel
19:04:53 <DavidWHodgins> For now, yes.
19:04:59 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins
19:04:59 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB wilcal
19:05:10 <wilcal> good for you
19:05:17 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today?
19:05:37 * MrsB looks down the list
19:05:38 <DavidWHodgins> I don't see any new names in the list.
19:05:50 <MrsB> doesn't look like it
19:05:53 <DavidWHodgins> #topic A new Dave - Could it be you?
19:05:58 <MrsB> thanks dude
19:06:13 <MrsB> So as you all know, Dave is taking a bit of a step back
19:06:14 <lewyssmith> Alket is new to me, but I missed last week.
19:06:34 <MrsB> I'd like to ask Lewis to step in, in his place
19:06:39 <MrsB> if he's willing
19:06:40 <DavidWHodgins> I'll stay on the board, but think I should be replaced as deputy leader of the qa team, and on the council.
19:06:45 <alket> lewyssmith: yes, but not officially involved yet
19:07:07 <lewyssmith> Thanks.
19:07:31 <MrsB> Lewis, you already pretty much fill the role, but this would formalise it
19:07:48 <lewyssmith> When are elections due?
19:07:50 <DavidWHodgins> I agree with having lewis replace me.
19:07:53 <MrsB> Is it something you'd be willing to take on?
19:08:05 <MrsB> umm after fosdem usually
19:08:18 * marja votes for lewyssmith too
19:08:27 <lewyssmith> In principle, but not instead of someone else who would be good.
19:08:46 <marja> it is allowed to have elections when needed
19:09:04 <MrsB> We can go that way if you prefer
19:09:11 <wilcal> Kinda like the british government
19:09:19 <lewyssmith> Perhaps we should have one soon.
19:09:50 <marja> DavidWHodgins: i'm very happy to see you chair now, though :-)
19:10:06 <DavidWHodgins> We should have an election soon for both  the qa deputy leader, and a council member. Anyone who is interested should put their name forward.
19:10:17 <lewyssmith> Re the council, I think every team should only have *1* place; normally the leader, but a deputy in their absence.
19:10:22 <MrsB> Let's have a quick show of hands then, we can choose to have an election or we can just ask lewis to step in for the remainder of the term
19:10:44 <DavidWHodgins> I'm fine with either choice.
19:10:52 <wilcal> i vote for lewis
19:10:54 * Luigi12_work votes for lewyssmith as interim deputy leader
19:10:55 <MrsB> \o for election and o/ for lewis
19:11:04 <Brian___> I vote for Lewis
19:11:28 <marja> lewyssmith: some teams have three in council... i'd be happy to see you thete
19:11:37 <lewyssmith> Interim. I think Vlad would make a good candidate.
19:12:13 <marja> ,there
19:12:18 <MrsB> Yes too. It'd be good to see others growing into larger roles
19:13:09 <lewyssmith> I will hold the baby at least for now, longer if others wish.
19:13:27 <MrsB> Thats great :)
19:13:32 <MrsB> thankyou
19:13:38 <marja> thx lewyssmith
19:13:50 <rindolf> lewyssmith: thanks.
19:13:55 <DavidWHodgins> Yes. Thanks
19:14:12 <MrsB> #info Lewis will take on the interim role of team deputy in place of Dave who is stepping down for now for health reasons
19:14:32 <DavidWHodgins> What about council?
19:14:49 <lewyssmith> Count me out. You stay on there.
19:15:10 <DavidWHodgins> I can try.
19:15:26 <MrsB> It usually goes with the territory but we can do it separately if you wish
19:15:56 <lewyssmith> There seems to me to be a place for honorary council members.
19:16:06 <DavidWHodgins> Yeah. Being a team leader normally automatically makes you a council member.
19:16:32 <lewyssmith> That it fine.
19:16:35 <lewyssmith> is
19:16:42 <alket> DavidWHodgins: I hope you get well soon
19:16:51 <MrsB> You happy with the arrangement too Dave?
19:16:53 <DavidWHodgins> So do I. Thanks.
19:17:17 <DavidWHodgins> Which? Me staying on council or being replaced by lewis?
19:17:35 <MrsB> staying on as a QA council rep
19:17:37 <lewyssmith> Both?
19:17:52 <MrsB> council isn't that scary though lewis
19:18:18 <lewyssmith> I am steering clear for the moment.
19:18:21 <DavidWHodgins> I'm ok with either. Being on the council doesn't require much time.
19:18:31 <MrsB> Ok
19:19:07 <MrsB> #info Dave will retain his position as QA council rep rather than Lewis
19:19:08 <DavidWHodgins> Even if I stay on the council, as a new team leader lewis should be added too.
19:19:25 <lewyssmith> Deputy, not implicitly.
19:19:37 <MrsB> well we tend to have one or the other, we can't have 4 people on the council
19:19:55 <DavidWHodgins> Why not? :-)
19:20:07 <MrsB> it's unbalanced :P in more ways than one
19:20:10 <lewyssmith> MrsB, Hence my suggestion for 1 + honorary.
19:20:34 <marja> don't board members have the right to attend and speak in council?
19:20:35 <Luigi12_work> QA rules!
19:20:43 <MrsB> \o/
19:21:00 <DavidWHodgins> I think all board members are also council members.
19:21:22 <marja> i can't look it up now
19:21:23 <MrsB> yes, but not in an organisational capacity on the council.
19:21:41 <MrsB> yeah we'll ahve to check
19:21:57 <MrsB> anyway, thanks Lewis and welcome aboard
19:22:02 <MrsB> let's crack on
19:22:46 * Luigi12_work has to go back to class soon
19:22:49 <MrsB> #topic Testing updates
19:23:04 <MrsB> we'll not be long with this, then we can do the roundup
19:23:17 <MrsB> Is there anything troubling on the list at the moment?
19:23:25 * Luigi12_work just added an easy test procedure for rpcbind
19:23:31 <MrsB> anybody having difficulties?
19:23:33 <DavidWHodgins> Let's do Luigi12_work's roundup first
19:23:33 <MrsB> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates
19:23:35 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
19:23:38 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's roundup - Upcoming security updates
19:23:48 <Luigi12_work> ok I'll be quick
19:23:55 <MrsB> rpcbind is used with nfs isn't it?
19:24:04 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: yes indeed!
19:24:11 <Luigi12_work> have some pending CVEs for qemu, not sure when we'll push the next update
19:24:22 <wilcal> Ahhh the bi weekly flash update is behind us. nice
19:24:26 <Luigi12_work> filed a bug this week for libtorrent-rasterbar (assigned to matteo)
19:24:39 <Luigi12_work> filed a bug today for cyrus-imapd (assigned to spuhler)
19:24:41 <Luigi12_work> that's all for now
19:24:52 <lewyssmith> Great!
19:25:05 <Luigi12_work> oh and a non-security update coming soon to QA is libxcb/libx11
19:25:07 <MrsB> #info More CVEs coming for qemu, updates coming for libtorrent-rasterbar and cyrus-imapd
19:25:19 <DavidWHodgins> Ok, let's go back
19:25:22 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates - Are there any that look scary?
19:25:28 <Luigi12_work> the libxcb/libx11 update is already built, so you may test it, just waiting for feedback from the reporter before assigning to QA
19:25:29 <MrsB> thanks David, and Dave
19:25:44 <Luigi12_work> bug 13815 if anyone's interested (libxcb/libx11)
19:25:45 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13815 major, Normal, thierry.vignaud, NEW , libX11: 32-bit request number wrapping bug, libxcb, libx11
19:26:01 <MrsB> haven't looked at it yet
19:26:11 <Luigi12_work> you can test that with the pixman security update I suppose, they're all just xorg libraries
19:26:33 <Luigi12_work> looks like the kernel update is going well so far
19:26:39 <MrsB> tmb did yuo see the comments about TJ's kernel issues?
19:26:42 <Luigi12_work> ok, I'll BBL.
19:26:50 <MrsB> thanks David
19:27:52 <DavidWHodgins> Are we still validating after testing on one arch?
19:28:19 <lewyssmith> I don't think we need to now.
19:28:19 <MrsB> Not ideally. I think we're in a position to test fully now, since mga4 EOL
19:28:29 <tmb> MrsB, I saw ... I need to check upstream...
19:28:56 <MrsB> noarch we can at a push, but we've had instances where things are't present in one arch before so it's always worth checking both, at least that it's there
19:29:16 <MrsB> thanks tmb
19:29:21 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like the bottleneck holding things up is getting the advisories uploaded.
19:29:38 <lewyssmith> I haven't forgotten...
19:29:52 <MrsB> It takes so long to do it, just a pain to do, but somebody has to
19:30:18 <lewyssmith> There are only 2 tested bugs awaiting.
19:30:53 <MrsB> it would be nice to be able to parse a  bugzilla comment and mostly auto-fill the advisory
19:31:15 <MrsB> We'll introduce you to that lewis
19:31:32 <lewyssmith> Dave has already pointed the way.
19:31:40 <MrsB> i think you're already in the correct group to do so
19:31:52 <lewyssmith> True.
19:31:54 <MrsB> ok, if you need help with it just yell
19:32:21 <MrsB> So everybody confident with the current crop of updates?
19:32:47 <MrsB> bacula is there again, our nemesis
19:33:01 <lewyssmith> At what point are kernels OK'd?
19:33:18 <MrsB> if nobody experiences issues I suppose
19:33:32 <MrsB> we just have to determine that for ourselves
19:33:34 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: kernels have to be tested by multiple people.
19:33:57 <lewyssmith> That does not answer the question.
19:34:00 <DavidWHodgins> Most other updates can be tested by just one person, but not kernels.
19:34:31 <wilcal> After this meeting I'll finish off the Java update
19:34:32 <DavidWHodgins> I'd like to see at least 3 people test kernel updates on each arch.
19:34:33 <MrsB> if dkms modules build ok that is half the battle, ensure all kernels are tested, ie. kernel-desktop586
19:35:15 <wilcal> kernel+nvidia+Vbox all worked fine for me. So noted in the report
19:35:17 <MrsB> It's ok to install dkms modules which are not needed on your system, they shouldn't interfere with each other
19:35:31 <Brian___> DavidWHodgins -> which kernel version?
19:35:44 <Brian___> nvrmdn - I see it
19:35:45 <DavidWHodgins> All of them. :-)
19:35:52 <tmb> well, for dkms modules you know they build if the prebuilt kmods are available (for core kernel that is) :)
19:36:16 <MrsB> thats true tmb, afs has been an issue in the past though
19:37:29 <tmb> MrsB, yeah, we do have some packages that are only available as dkms like the afs one...
19:37:34 <MrsB> we struggled to interest afs users in testing afs last time though so I don't think it's necessary to go out of our way for it, especially as it takes forever to compile the module
19:38:16 <tmb> MrsB, yeah, and we know the afs one should work ok now as the version pushed is compatible with 4.1 series
19:38:33 <MrsB> ok that's a good thing then, saves us some work
19:39:07 <tmb> I even confirmed it when I saw afs landing for QA
19:39:17 <MrsB> I think once we work through the issues TJ is having we can go ahead with it
19:39:42 <MrsB> I notice there is a dmidecode in testing, should that be part of it?
19:39:45 <DavidWHodgins> Also note that kernels should be tested both on real hardware, and under virtualbox.
19:40:48 <Brian___> sure  - I'll give a hardware Kernel update a whirl.  <need to wipe it afterwards anyhow>
19:41:24 <MrsB> ensure you enable nonfree updates testing and carefully check you've updated all applicable packages Brian___
19:41:58 <MrsB> if you have any difficulties on boot just select the 3.19 kernel instead to return to your one
19:42:08 <MrsB> at grub i mean
19:42:17 <MrsB> *old one
19:42:27 <MrsB> does that make sense?
19:42:41 <wilcal> look at my notes of all the packages i delt with
19:42:43 <Brian___> yes - it is also an hardware image that is temporary
19:42:47 <Brian___> so if it nukes, I'm ok
19:42:55 <MrsB> thanks
19:43:03 <Brian___> will do
19:43:10 <Brian___> @wilcal
19:43:13 <MrsB> tmb does the dmidecode belong with the kernel update or is it somethign separate?
19:43:51 <tmb> dmidecode ?
19:43:56 <MrsB> in testing
19:44:27 <MrsB> http://mageia.madb.org/package/show/application/0/name/dmidecode
19:44:28 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - dmidecode ]
19:45:04 <tmb> ah, indeed... there was one bugreport of dmidecode not giving any output on new hw... but that update didn't help... but it's a separate issue
19:45:17 <MrsB> ok thanks
19:45:17 <DavidWHodgins> It looks to be separate. It's required by acpi, cloud-init, drakxtools-backend, facter, imvirt, ocsinventory-agent, and virt-what.
19:45:23 <tmb> I will look more into that
19:45:31 <tmb> *later
19:45:42 <MrsB> ok, just wondered if it was needed with 4 series kernels
19:46:22 <MrsB> Are there any other troublesome updates?
19:46:28 <tmb> nope, it's about new smbios revisions so its hw bound
19:48:11 <MrsB> We're doing really well, let's try and get the list down to 4 or 5 if we can :)
19:48:34 <MrsB> That only leaves...
19:48:35 <wilcal> the java thing will be off the list shortly
19:48:46 <MrsB> cool
19:48:54 <MrsB> #topic Anything else?
19:49:03 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
19:49:29 <wilcal> gimme a general idea when we're gonna see the first M6 iso's
19:49:52 <MrsB> We first have to agree a set of features and start development
19:50:07 <wilcal> probably after the 1st of the Year?
19:50:29 <MrsB> lol, no, Akien and Ennael are pushing now to get things moving
19:50:35 <wilcal> look's at work load
19:51:03 <lewyssmith> Hopefully not sooner (than next year start).
19:51:05 <MrsB> they are packaging team leaders btw (if you didnt know)
19:51:19 <DavidWHodgins> As per https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_6_Development the dates have not been decided yet.
19:51:32 <lewyssmith> Good news.
19:51:42 <wilcal> if they can make sure that the boot.iso's work i'll be fine with that
19:51:49 <MrsB> It wouldn't hurt to have a fairly painless and quick release, if we don't get many suggestions
19:52:22 <wilcal> The Plasma5 thingy is huge
19:52:38 <MrsB> yes, tiem will tell whether it's ready for mainstream though
19:52:39 <tmb> if release is in 04/2016, then RC is ~03/2016, beta 02/2016, ... and something like that I guess
19:53:06 <wilcal> 1st Alpha in Jan
19:53:24 <wilcal> that gives us a full 3-months of just work'n updates
19:53:30 <MrsB> Alpha should be before then
19:53:39 <lewyssmith> And just Alpha, I hope (not 1 &2).
19:54:04 <MrsB> imho it's better to have 2 or 3 alphas, one beta, one RC
19:54:27 <lewyssmith> + 1 Final?
19:54:46 <MrsB> as long as work starts so the alpha isn't meaningless. lol Yes 1 final :P
19:55:05 <MrsB> Is there anything else else?
19:55:13 <lewyssmith> Not here.
19:55:21 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing here.
19:55:28 <wilcal> i'm done
19:55:49 <MrsB> Well done then guys, keep on testing. Let's reduce the list as much as we can
19:55:57 <MrsB> Thanks all for coming
19:56:01 <MrsB> T - 5
19:56:05 <lewyssmith> Goodbye all.
19:56:06 <MrsB> 4
19:56:07 <MrsB> 3
19:56:08 <Brian___> bye
19:56:09 <MrsB> 2
19:56:10 <MrsB> 1
19:56:14 <MrsB> #endmeeting