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19:04:07 <MrsB> HI guys welcome to another one
19:04:09 * gelb5 is here, but in a lesson so can only watch!
19:04:26 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins wilcal
19:04:26 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB wilcal
19:04:28 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? If you are, then come and introduce yourself
19:04:30 <MrsB> tah
19:04:45 <MrsB> Is anybody new here today?
19:05:06 <MrsB> doesn't appear to be
19:05:09 <lewyssmith> [It is almost "Anybody at all?"]
19:05:14 <gelb5> no. I just can't change my nick
19:05:27 <MrsB> yah not many of us
19:05:30 <MrsB> e
19:05:39 <marja> gelb5: hi simonnzg :-)
19:05:49 * gelb5 is simonnzg (when I can make my client understand me)
19:05:59 <MrsB> type /nick simonnzb
19:05:59 <gelb5> marja: HI marja
19:06:24 <MrsB> let's move on then
19:06:31 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mentoring update
19:06:47 <ennael> hi there
19:06:52 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Did you have time to help vlad start testing updates?
19:07:05 <lewyssmith> That's me.
19:07:17 <DavidWHodgins> Oops
19:07:21 <wilcal> Sorry been pretty busy
19:07:34 <MrsB> So neoser10 (Mauricio) is doing well and tarazed (Len) is been working ont he ruby update. I need to update the wiki page
19:07:37 <lewyssmith> Vlad is, of course, already flying.
19:07:48 <wilcal> He is big time
19:08:22 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone still looking for a mentor?
19:09:11 <MrsB> It's important we get people involved in testing updates as we'll soon have two stable releases again and double the work
19:09:50 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 5 final - How's it looking?
19:10:05 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone find any major problems?
19:10:30 <wilcal> Yup we need to look at the M4.1 -> M5 upgrade processes
19:10:36 <wilcal> Not pretty
19:10:39 <MrsB> http://lstu.fr/Mga5ReleaseBlockers
19:11:04 <MrsB> #info if you're short of something to do, please test upgrades from 4 to 5
19:11:21 <wilcal> So are we gonna release such that you can't upgrade using the Live media?
19:11:32 <MrsB> I'm on 2nd attempt at one today
19:11:46 <MrsB> you never have been able to wilcal
19:11:49 <lewyssmith> wilcal: It is *always* thus, Bill.
19:11:56 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Live cannot be used for an upgrade
19:12:06 <wilcal> CI i586 is pretty ok as long as you don't use NFS in Vbox
19:12:18 <neoser10> That is true.... bcause iso is dumped to hard disk as is
19:12:19 <DavidWHodgins> That's explained in the wiki
19:12:23 <wilcal> x86_64 is flat out broken using boot.iso or CI
19:12:40 <DavidWHodgins> broken how?
19:12:43 <MrsB> when it fails can you grab some logs
19:12:45 <lewyssmith> What is broken?
19:13:21 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15684
19:13:22 <[mbot> Bug 15684: normal, release_blocker, bugsquad, NEW , M4.1 -> M5 ( x86_64 ) upgrade fails to start x after upgrade
19:13:28 <wilcal> logs are in there
19:13:49 <lewyssmith> Ah; Upgrades.
19:14:05 <wilcal> Ya it's pretty ugly
19:14:15 <lewyssmith> How else?
19:14:34 <wilcal> So we have to somehow disable the upgrade process in Live media
19:14:42 <MrsB> I'm half way through a 64bit upgrade so can see if it's the same
19:14:49 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15938
19:14:50 <[mbot> Bug 15938: major, High, bugsquad, NEW , Attempting a upgrade, M4.1 to M5, using Live-media is destructive
19:15:00 <MrsB> it's not enabled in live media wilcal
19:15:24 <wilcal> correct but if you go throught the process it'll blow up your M4.1
19:15:46 <marja> wilcal: platform is set to i586 in the first bug you just mentioned... but I only see you tested x86_64
19:16:09 <MrsB> the process from live doesn't offer to upgrade, only install
19:16:10 <DavidWHodgins> Live media has always installed by copying what's on the iso to the drive. It's never been useful for upgrading, and doesn't provide the option.
19:16:27 <neoser10> that is stated in the downloads page
19:16:34 <Brian___> We need to VERY clearly document that in the webpages
19:16:35 <wilcal> I just got around to testing it today. Anyway somehow we have to flag a warning in the Live media not to use it for upgrade
19:16:47 <lewyssmith> wilcal: So how are you getting there?
19:16:50 <wilcal> You don't know that when your booting the Live media
19:16:51 <Brian___> I agree
19:16:51 <MrsB> it is on the download page usually
19:17:17 <MrsB> and you physically can't 'use it for upgrade' it doesn't offer that option, only the option to install it
19:17:21 <wilcal> Somehow we gotta prevent this from happening. Maybe it's always been there but it ain't no good
19:17:32 <DavidWHodgins> See http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/
19:17:33 <[mbot> [ Download Mageia 4.1 ]
19:17:40 <neoser10> Use LiveCDs and LiveDVDs for fresh new installs ONLY. DO NOT use these LiveCDs or LiveDVDs to upgrade from the prior Mageia release! Use a classical installation and see upgrade guide.
19:18:00 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Bill: HOW are you getting a Live to attempt an upgrade?
19:18:00 <MrsB> install != upgrade
19:18:05 <wilcal> But if you have a previously installed Mageia on the drive that install will get blown up
19:18:05 <DavidWHodgins> Not sure how we can make that any clearer
19:18:13 <MrsB> yeah it installs over it
19:18:27 <wilcal> I donno either but IMO it's a problem
19:18:35 <MrsB> partition/format/install
19:19:31 <wilcal> Aside from that x86_64 M4.1 -> M5 using the CI or boot.ino is a problem
19:19:48 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15684
19:19:49 <[mbot> Bug 15684: normal, release_blocker, bugsquad, NEW , M4.1 -> M5 ( x86_64 ) upgrade fails to start x after upgrade
19:20:21 <DavidWHodgins> Is that kdm, gdm, lxdm, or what login manager?
19:20:28 <wilcal> On hardware and Vbox
19:20:35 <wilcal> Only tested on KDE
19:20:36 <lewyssmith> Anything else?
19:21:01 <wilcal> I'll look at Gnome
19:21:25 <MrsB> i'm upgrading a 14Gb install in vbox atm
19:21:59 <MrsB> has all DE's and other 'stuff'
19:22:50 <DavidWHodgins> That'll take a while. Hope you remembered to add divider=10 as per bug 44
19:22:51 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44 critical, High, erwanaliasr1, NEW , slow OS under VirtualBox, due to HZ=1000 (was mkinitrd fails in VB), syslinux, mageia-gfxboot-theme, drakx-installer-images
19:23:03 <MrsB> course not Dave :D
19:23:07 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:23:40 <DavidWHodgins> Until I switch the install to the server kernel, I do it out of habit
19:24:02 <MrsB> #info please see if upgrades fail to start X afterwards bug 15684
19:24:04 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15684 normal, release_blocker, bugsquad, NEW , M4.1 -> M5 ( x86_64 ) upgrade fails to start x after upgrade
19:24:57 <MrsB> it'd be good to try that on real HW wilcal to see if it's a vbox anomoly
19:25:33 <wilcal> I think in the bug I've documented that I did it in both hw & Vbox
19:25:39 <MrsB> ok
19:26:02 <wilcal> ya it's pretty ugly
19:26:43 <MrsB> I started mine with the applet so we'll wait and see, can repeat it with dvd if necessary
19:26:59 <marja> wilcal: you stated 3 times it was in vbox, and for the boot.iso (comment 9) you didn't tell
19:27:27 <wilcal> OK I'll run it on HW I thought I had put that in there
19:27:34 <marja> wilcal: thx :-)
19:28:50 <MrsB> was it just a stadard kde installation?
19:28:56 <MrsB> standard
19:29:03 <MrsB> typo day again :\
19:29:50 <lewyssmith> BTW We still have the "Oh no!" Live Gnome issue.
19:30:05 <MrsB> yes there are still a few blockers
19:30:34 <DavidWHodgins> Apparently that's a timing issue, as it sometime works with same hardware/settings/
19:30:39 <wilcal> I have a very generic Vbox client for M4.1 i586 & x86_64 filled with apps. I then clone that and run tests on the clone.
19:30:41 <MrsB> tmb ennael do you want to add anything?
19:31:23 * ennael working on my side with tv so that some of the installer bugs can find solutions
19:31:38 <ennael> still need some light on lxdm one...
19:32:05 <MrsB> slow shutdown one?
19:32:07 <ennael> unfortunatelly it seems it's not only lxdm
19:32:09 <ennael> yep
19:32:36 <neoser10> I found that if I not login, I can shutdown or reboot cleanly
19:32:43 <MrsB> let us know if you need any specific tests to help debugging
19:32:59 <ennael> ok
19:33:01 <MrsB> bug 15168
19:33:02 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15168 normal, release_blocker, bugsquad, NEW , LXDE & MATE can take several minutes to shutdown/reboot or hang completely (ordering cycle on display-manager-failure.service/start)
19:33:09 <ennael> that's the one
19:33:29 <lewyssmith> Another thing which seems to have escaped serious complaint: the minority desktops *still* show 2 network systray items, one (2 terminals) invalid.
19:34:10 <MrsB> is there a bug report for that one lewis?
19:34:14 <Brian___> interesting  - didn't see that one
19:34:27 <lewyssmith> I have not found it, it it soooo old.
19:34:40 <ennael> no report no fix
19:35:13 <neoser10> And we have bugs with new status......
19:35:13 <lewyssmith> I will raise one, then. What is the 2nd icon?
19:35:21 <MrsB> the smaller desktops openbox etc use a fixed menu, there is a package you can install to make it reactive to what you have installed though
19:35:40 <lewyssmith> Systray. Where the globe is.
19:35:46 <MrsB> ahh ok
19:35:48 <DavidWHodgins> Likely both net-applet and nmapplet are running
19:35:55 <MrsB> which desktop, can you remember
19:35:59 <lewyssmith> That was argued in M3.
19:36:21 <lewyssmith> LXDE, Mate, XFCE.
19:36:39 <MrsB> not noticed it. I'll look out for it though
19:37:09 <DavidWHodgins> It's probably also affected by the selection of whether or not to have nm control the interface. I normally select no.
19:37:35 <hviaene> I'ver installed xfce a number of times, never noticed
19:37:44 <MrsB> could be a nm applet i suppose yeah
19:37:51 <lewyssmith> I noted on the PAD for the Classic x64.
19:37:57 <hviaene> But I always change the panels
19:38:40 <MrsB> try right clickign them, see if you can identify them
19:38:41 <DavidWHodgins> When testing iso images, it's best to just select the defaults
19:39:29 <DavidWHodgins> Other then changing from kde to gnome or whatever.
19:39:38 <MrsB> tmb: want to add anything before we move on?
19:40:01 <Brian___> my expericne has been good.  any estimate on the next new live?
19:40:23 <MrsB> no major new issues though by looks of it, which is good. The rest have reports and mostly the known release blockers
19:42:06 <ennael> MrsB: did you tried this https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8209#c13
19:42:07 <[mbot> Bug 8209: normal, High, oliver.bgr, NEW , User session not terminated when logging out with lxdm,  systemd-logind, lxdm
19:42:20 <MrsB> no estimate yet Brian___, it's waiting on fixes now so we'll need to be sure we respond to any dev queries
19:42:36 <Brian___> np
19:43:33 <MrsB> ennael: yes i think so, isn't it on the bug?
19:44:01 <MrsB> comment 10, not very clear maybe
19:44:46 <DavidWHodgins> I've seen that with Mageia 4, but it's inconsistent
19:44:51 <ennael> ?
19:45:51 <ennael> MrsB: last release isos come with Mageia-5-i586 lxde-common-0.99.0 (noarch)
19:45:55 <DavidWHodgins> Sometimes the shutdown goes quickly, sometimes not. No logs available at that point.
19:46:32 <ennael> media/core/lxde-common-0.99.0-8.mga5.noarch.rpm
19:46:34 <MrsB> "Valid 5 final round 1 (Installed from classic DVD 32)"
19:46:44 <ennael> oups
19:46:50 <ennael> ok my bad :)
19:47:01 <MrsB> i can test again though if needed
19:47:25 <MrsB> seems easily reproduced though
19:48:08 <MrsB> let's move on then if there's nothign else for now
19:48:21 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates
19:48:26 <MrsB> thanks dude
19:48:53 <MrsB> #info Since the last meeting we pushed ~30 updates!
19:48:59 <wilcal> Super
19:49:15 <wilcal> Now I/we got Vbox and Kodi to test
19:49:29 <wilcal> I'll look at both this weekend for sure
19:49:32 <MrsB> the list is looking good now, hopefully we won't be inunudated again
19:49:43 <lewyssmith> Congratulations. wilcal: Bill, isn't Kodi for M5?
19:49:52 <MrsB> we need to keep it like this though as we'll face a barrage of updates after release
19:50:06 <wilcal> Kodi + M5 =  A marrage made in heaven + minidlna
19:50:11 <wilcal> really nice stuff
19:50:44 <lewyssmith> The bug title mentions Kodi, but the bug is for M4.
19:50:45 <wilcal> My Samsung HDTV & Blu-Ray player loves it all
19:51:03 <MrsB> so not alot to say about updates really, other than well done everybody for keeping on top of them!
19:51:19 <DavidWHodgins> Any sysadmins here for updates on the status of opening backports?
19:52:34 <MrsB> i don't think so, we pretty much killed them
19:52:38 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup
19:52:45 <tmb> well... someone still need to patch http://gitweb.mageia.org/software/infrastructure/mgaadvisories/ to cope with it
19:52:46 <[mbot> [ mgaadvisories - Scripts to Help with Update Advisories ]
19:53:37 <MrsB> backports are non-urgent
19:54:02 <MrsB> we can discuss maybe at next council meeting about whether to allow in updates channel for now
19:54:04 <DavidWHodgins> Argh. I have to leave again. Bye for now everyone.
19:54:14 <wilcal> Later David
19:54:16 <MrsB> nite dave
19:54:55 <MrsB> #info Luigi12 is at a track meet again this week but emailed the ML to say there is actually nothing much on the radar! \o/
19:55:31 <MrsB> which normally means 5 or 6 that slipped under the radar :)
19:55:51 <tmb> the virtualbox one is somewhat critical like the qemu one was
19:56:07 <wilcal> I should be through that by Monday
19:56:07 <lewyssmith> Bill's speciality.
19:56:22 <MrsB> we need it tomorrow really wilcal
19:56:23 <wilcal> Yep, I really want to make sure that works really well
19:56:40 <tmb> and since people are using vbox on mga4 to test mga5, you get the vbox testing "for free"
19:56:42 <MrsB> simple enough to test though so do what you can and any you can't i'll do in the morning
19:56:54 <wilcal> I'll give it a shot. IMO Vbox is only relevant on an x86_64 platform
19:57:17 <wilcal> and a big one
19:57:52 <MrsB> you do that then and i'll do i586 in the morning. It's a minor change to do with floppy drive controllers so shouldn't interfere with much
19:58:21 <wilcal> simple change but still involves kernels, nvidia and x drivers
19:58:42 <MrsB> So that only leaves...
19:58:50 <MrsB> #topic Anything else?
19:58:50 <wilcal> you see my notes  in the bugs
19:59:00 <MrsB> yeah i have
19:59:14 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
19:59:18 <lewyssmith> After you.
19:59:28 <neoser10> The drakxtools are under testing with me
19:59:36 <hviaene|2> KDE issue, but not directly linked to M5 or updates
19:59:45 <MrsB> who wants to go first?
19:59:45 <tmb> I will try to build new live medias tomorrow to include all fixes I have queued
19:59:53 <MrsB> oh that's a good one
20:00:10 <MrsB> #info Thomas will try to build new Live medias tomorrow with all fixes so far
20:00:14 <neoser10> tmb: perfect!
20:00:40 <MrsB> hviaene|2: what is your issue?
20:01:06 <hviaene|2> KDE ssystem setti,ngs allows for script files in Startup
20:01:19 <hviaene|2> and so does the docs
20:01:30 <lewyssmith> Tonyb: Hello Tony!
20:01:33 <MrsB> morning Tony
20:01:37 <hviaene|2> But I had strange thinhs on shutdown
20:01:49 <hviaene|2> So i filed a bug
20:01:57 <Tonyb> Seeing 'Anything Else - did I make a timezone error?
20:02:00 <MrsB> do you remember the bug number?
20:02:12 <lewyssmith> Tonyb: Probably...
20:02:26 <MrsB> an hour out Tony, do you have anything you want to talk about?
20:02:26 <Tonyb> :-(
20:02:30 <hviaene|2> It turns out that some developer doc says that scripts are not allowed in systemsetiin,gs
20:02:40 <MrsB> ahh
20:02:53 <MrsB> neoclust: ^^
20:02:59 <hviaene|2> Bug 347206
20:03:00 <[mbot> Nothing found with the default search.
20:03:09 <MrsB> oh a kde bug
20:03:18 <hviaene|2> yes
20:03:25 <neoclust> what ? :)
20:03:42 <Tonyb> No, pleased to report very good install on dual disk raid0 laptop, recognised and could resize windows stuff.
20:03:43 <Tonyb> Only issue now is I had to do USB memstick install and now can't update anything
20:03:47 <hviaene|2> I changed the scripts to an appllication, since then no  rpblems anymore fot  fivr days
20:04:18 <Tonyb> What flag do I change where to make it look for a DVD to update from ?
20:04:27 <MrsB> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347206 bug reported by Herman re: scripts allowed in kde system settings which shouldn't be causing funny problems at shutdown
20:04:27 <[mbot> Bug 347206: normal, NOR, unassigned-bugs, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Autostart does not completely run all items defined in System-settings
20:06:04 <hviaene|2> IMO the option for scripts should then ben removerd from systemsettings
20:06:14 <MrsB> Tonyb: not sure there is such a flag. It's coded in urpmi.cfg
20:06:29 <MrsB> check in the media manager
20:06:37 <lewyssmith> Tonyb: Ben is making the same complaint. There is on old bug on it.
20:06:44 <Tonyb> MrsB: I'll look there
20:06:53 <Tonyb> Bug 102!!!
20:06:54 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102 enhancement, Normal, thierry.vignaud, NEW , if a media is _not present_ (unmounted cdrom, no network) try to get package from other sources before complaining, urpmi
20:07:03 <MrsB> you might need to remove the existing ones and add with a different path
20:07:30 <MrsB> was there a fix upstream for that hviaene|2?
20:08:05 <hviaene|2> Not that i can remember, I'll check again tomorrow
20:08:28 <Tonyb> As a measure of Cuteness, I was amused/pleased the Mageia rezing of NTFS even told me how to clean the NTFS from windows before it could be risized.  Hnad-holding all the way!
20:08:28 <lewyssmith> It needs a policy decision about what to do in lieu of a real DVD: disc image or USB.
20:09:31 <MrsB> Suggest it as a feature for mageia 6
20:09:40 <Tonyb> I still like the old option discussed in the bug of offering DVD iso install and having it subsequently mounted - like at least the old Mandriva Powerpack did
20:10:09 * tmb heads to bed... good night all
20:10:14 <MrsB> nite tmb
20:10:17 <wilcal> nite tmb
20:10:23 <lewyssmith> Perhaps we are talking slightly different things here. Apologies.
20:10:57 <MrsB> i think you're right lewis, it's looking for dvd rather than usb medias
20:11:21 <lewyssmith> That is what is bugging Ben.
20:11:23 <hviaene|2> MrsB: i just checked: no fix
20:11:39 <Tonyb> Hey, I arrived late and you've all things to do - I'll discuss further on QA but we do need to have a system which is not frozen re updates after mestick install.
20:11:57 <MrsB> never thought to look into it that much, usually the first thign i do is add online medias if not already done
20:11:59 <Tonyb> mestick/memstick
20:12:28 <lewyssmith> The complainants have Internet limitations.
20:12:35 <MrsB> It's obviously an old bug though Tonyb so may be something better proposed for mga6 features
20:13:20 <Tonyb> OK
20:13:37 <lewyssmith> May I?
20:13:42 <MrsB> of ocurse :)
20:13:45 <MrsB> co
20:13:48 <lewyssmith> The release Blog: how much to say? What more on EFI than what is in the current entry?
20:14:04 <MrsB> I've not seen it yet
20:14:22 <MrsB> are you subscribed to atelier ml lewis?
20:14:34 <Tonyb> EFI is pretty clean now
20:14:54 <lewyssmith> They want an EFI blog para, but it has already been said for RC.
20:14:57 <wilcal> If your going into a clean drive it's perfect
20:15:10 <wilcal> i think that's a great start
20:15:33 <Tonyb> Was perfect going into old RAID0 for me, Win8.1 already there
20:16:04 <wilcal> It'll have some wrinkles that's have to be ironed out in M6
20:16:05 <lewyssmith> MrsB: I decline!
20:16:21 <MrsB> The blog post is often quoted in the press so worth making it positive rather than a howto as-such
20:16:30 <MrsB> can link it to the docs somewhere
20:16:38 <MrsB> I've not had much to do with that
20:17:30 <MrsB> you should be able to send email to the @group.mageia.org adress for atelier
20:17:44 <lewyssmith> Thanks.
20:17:49 <MrsB> not sure what that is off the top of my head
20:18:13 * marja is not sure all mls do also have a group address
20:18:27 <MrsB> or contact schultz, akine, grenoya directly lewis
20:18:29 <MrsB> akien
20:18:51 <lewyssmith> Thanks again; akien will be fine.
20:19:00 <MrsB> yw :)
20:19:07 <MrsB> Is there anything else else else?
20:19:24 <wilcal> An aside on Kodi. Raspberry Pi Version 2 + Kodi is simply amazing. Also connects
20:19:25 <wilcal> to M5 w/minidlna like a dream. I run Very HiDef videos from the M5 through to
20:19:27 <wilcal> the Raspberry Pi 2 then on to the Samsung HDTV.
20:19:49 <MrsB> yeah it makes a nice media centre
20:20:02 <MrsB> let's wrap up then
20:20:10 <MrsB> thanks for coming everybody!
20:20:12 <wilcal> bye all
20:20:14 <lewyssmith> Goodbye all.
20:20:20 <MrsB> T - 5
20:20:20 <MrsB> 4
20:20:22 <MrsB> 3
20:20:22 <Tonyb> Why not direct M5 to Samsung?
20:20:24 <MrsB> 2
20:20:27 <MrsB> 1
20:20:30 <MrsB> #endmeeting