20:05:12 <MrsB> #startmeeting
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20:05:14 <Kernewes> ready
20:05:29 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins wilcal
20:05:29 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB wilcal
20:05:33 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? If you are new then come and introduce yourself
20:05:37 <MrsB> welcome to another one everybody :)
20:05:56 <MrsB> It's probably going to be typo night again so be prepared !
20:06:18 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here tonight?
20:06:44 <MrsB> doesn't look like it
20:06:46 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mentoring update - How's it going? Is the page ready yet?
20:06:54 <MrsB> thanks
20:07:16 <MrsB> so, last week we moaned because our forgetful, leader keeps not doing a mentoring page
20:07:36 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_mentoring_page
20:07:39 <MrsB> \o/
20:08:02 <MrsB> I couldn't remember who had who so please update it with whoever you're mentoring
20:08:02 <wilcal> Yipeeee it's a start
20:08:22 <lewyssmith> Well done.
20:08:32 <MrsB> ithankyou
20:08:42 <MrsB> only took several months
20:08:47 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:09:08 <Kernewes> they've all graduated now
20:09:21 <MrsB> I put the ones I could think of in there, from last week but there are others I've forgotten
20:09:38 <MrsB> How is the mentoring going?
20:09:49 <lewyssmith> I ask mine questions!
20:09:54 <MrsB> lol
20:09:56 <brian__> Hello
20:09:58 <MrsB> hi brian__
20:10:22 <MrsB> Is there anybody not yet testing updates who doesn't have a mentor?
20:10:41 <vzawalin1> me I guess ....
20:10:44 <brian__> wilcal is mine
20:11:01 <MrsB> #info If you don't yet have a mentor to begin testing updates, please let us know!
20:11:19 <MrsB> vzawalin1: cool. now you're down under aren't oyu?
20:11:32 <vzawalin1> yes
20:11:58 <MrsB> Dave you feel up to mentoring vzawalin1, he's likely nearer your timezone
20:12:11 <wilcal> Hello brian welcome
20:12:20 <wilcal> he's do'n great
20:12:25 <DavidWHodgins> vzawalin1: Are you ok with email only mentoring?
20:12:40 <vzawalin1> Perfectly ..
20:12:58 <MrsB> there is always the ML and here for times when Dave is asleep
20:13:00 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. I'll mentor vlad
20:13:05 <MrsB> great \o/
20:13:17 <vzawalin1> Thanks Dave
20:13:32 <MrsB> that's one to update the table with :)
20:14:05 <MrsB> Are there any mentoring issues or everything going well?
20:14:20 <brian__> I'm always a problem child MrsB
20:14:24 <MrsB> lol
20:14:37 <wilcal> Pete Larson is struggling with repo issues but he's work it out
20:14:45 <wilcal> working it out
20:14:52 <MrsB> Just remember, there are no such thing as stupid questions, only ones we don't bother to ask when we worry they might be stupid
20:15:07 <wilcal> And all/any help is great help
20:15:10 <MrsB> Please feel free to ask anything
20:15:46 <DavidWHodgins> How does gravity work?
20:15:48 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:15:49 <MrsB> Testing in QA is a continual learning process and nobody knows even enough, never mind everything
20:16:29 <MrsB> as years go on dave, all the bits which used to support themselves gradually droop
20:16:46 <DavidWHodgins> lol
20:16:57 <wilcal> Especially the stuff behind you
20:17:09 <MrsB> Kepp up the good work then mentors and keep your students busy :)
20:17:22 <MrsB> has to be a better sord than students
20:17:24 <MrsB> word
20:17:37 <lewyssmith> It is usually the other way round, Claire.
20:17:38 <brian__> wilcal - I'll need your guidance as we get more into patch/security testing.
20:17:51 <wilcal> ok
20:18:15 <brian__> I prefer the title peon
20:18:37 <MrsB> peon sounds good, what does it mean?
20:18:47 <brian__> indentured servant effectively
20:18:48 <wilcal> My title is retired
20:18:48 <lewyssmith> Pawn, I think.
20:18:55 <brian__> pawn is good
20:19:03 <MrsB> hmm must be something better than that. Have a think on it
20:19:10 <brian__> I guess we'll stick Student
20:19:14 <MrsB> let's move on then, well done guys
20:19:27 <DavidWHodgins> #topic RC
20:19:29 <MrsB> tah
20:19:35 <MrsB> So early tests..
20:19:47 <stef74> Dear all,
20:19:47 <stef74> Sorry I'm late
20:19:52 <MrsB> a few major problems still
20:19:55 <lewyssmith> No progress here.
20:19:55 <wilcal> I'd say first go looks pretty good
20:20:02 <MrsB> it's ok, glad you could join us stef74
20:20:04 <DavidWHodgins> I just finished syncing the dual dvd. Currently syncing the i586 dvd.
20:20:10 <wilcal> Funky MCC problem crashing windows
20:20:22 * ennael whippes with nettles because of the naming error of the isos
20:20:26 <MrsB> still some installer issues
20:20:29 <Kernewes> just found out it's out for testing, will try this weekend
20:20:46 <wilcal> I gotta share something about UEFI
20:20:47 <lewyssmith> Just the Classic so far.
20:20:50 <MrsB> did you get the emails Kernewes?
20:20:56 <Kernewes> being in the docs meeting as well, it looks as if I'll be testing MCC in Indonesian and making screenshots as I go :)
20:21:13 <lewyssmith> wilcal: What?
20:21:19 <Kernewes> MrsB: haven't checked my e-mails lately, if you've sent them to me they'll be there I'm sure
20:21:26 <wilcal> At SCALEx13 ( Southern California Linux Expo, #13 ) last Sat I asked
20:21:28 <wilcal> various Distros how they were doing with UEFI. I got mixed responses.
20:21:29 <wilcal> Everyone said yes they do support it on install. But, lots of people
20:21:31 <wilcal> said they turned it off in their BIOS and went to Legacy. Some people
20:21:32 <wilcal> rolled their eyes up. So I got the impression that it is supported, reluctantly.
20:21:56 <lewyssmith> All this reluctance is for nothing.
20:22:24 <MrsB> it's here to stay
20:22:39 <wilcal> I tried a UEFI install in Vbox this morning and it didn't go very well
20:22:49 <DavidWHodgins> What makes uefi difficult is that each bios manufacturer has "done their own thing".
20:23:07 <lewyssmith> wilcal: It has no worth in VB, surely.
20:23:30 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: The spec is 1500pp.
20:23:40 <wilcal> well tmb has indicated that eventually he'll get it to work in Vbox
20:23:48 <MrsB> I have to leave efi testing to you efi guys
20:23:58 <wilcal> I dabble in it
20:23:58 <Kernewes> me too
20:24:06 <wilcal> and read and listen
20:24:21 <lewyssmith> I have lived with it since before Mageia 4.
20:25:00 <wilcal> I'm likely to have a couple more machines in here in a month or two one of which I can test uefi on real hardware
20:25:12 <MrsB> I found a related issue with btrfs, possibly affects efi installs too. grub2 installed to / on a partition (sda7) doesn't install
20:25:31 <lewyssmith> Reminder: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/About_EFI_UEFI
20:26:09 <MrsB> We need somebody to montior & summarise EFI progress really, lewis
20:26:09 <lewyssmith> MrsB: That would not be EFI relevant.
20:26:17 <MrsB> monitor*
20:26:41 <wilcal> At SCALE I picked up install disks from Fedora, Suse Enterprise and Ubuntu all of which are supposed to support UEFI
20:26:54 <wilcal> so I'll dabble with those a bit
20:27:01 <lewyssmith> They do. And others.
20:27:22 <lewyssmith> But you will have fun with Anaconda.
20:28:22 <MrsB> vzawalin1: you've been doing quite well with efi stuff too haven't you. Could you and lewis perhaps keep track of efi issues please
20:28:26 <brian__> Dual-dvd did anyone notice my note
20:28:41 <vzawalin1> OK. Will do
20:28:48 <MrsB> yes, xdm brian__ ?
20:28:49 <lewyssmith> Current installer issues are more GPT than EFI related, I think.
20:29:09 <wilcal> Ya ran into so real problems with dual
20:29:54 <brian__> I'll watch for an update
20:30:01 <MrsB> Anne commented on your bug brian__, should be fixed in next isos
20:30:11 <ennael> which one ?
20:30:15 <brian__> oh I missed it
20:30:23 <MrsB> bug 15369
20:30:25 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15369 normal, release_blocker, ennael1, NEW , Dual install: lighdm got unselected, so can't boot into a graphical display
20:30:29 <brian__> oh that
20:30:33 <wilcal> also note that the crashing MCC windows I did not see in x86-64
20:31:04 <brian__> told you I wa problem child.  regular x86-64 worked very well
20:31:12 <remyservices> is the pad down, or is my slow connection causing me issues?
20:31:24 <MrsB> the more problems we find, the better we're doing
20:31:33 <MrsB> It's been up and down all day remyservices
20:31:48 <brian__> appears to be down at the moment
20:32:01 <remyservices> ok, glad to hear that isn't just me
20:32:07 <wilcal> not responding here also
20:32:07 <lewyssmith> -4 Ennael would not agree!
20:32:08 <DavidWHodgins> I don't think the internet likes the weird weather.
20:32:24 <brian__> rumor is you no longer need supercollider chillers in Canada
20:32:28 <MrsB> ennael: stage2 is still beta3 graphic too
20:32:44 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:32:56 <ennael> yep but we will have more isos
20:33:02 <ennael> (I know you love it :p)
20:33:16 <wilcal> will we see the live media by the weekend?
20:33:20 <MrsB> suspected as much :D
20:33:31 <ennael> wilcal: in progress
20:33:38 <wilcal> thks anne
20:33:48 <MrsB> Any other major issues at this stage?
20:33:49 <wilcal> I got lots of time this weekend
20:34:12 <MrsB> we need to really go over it in detail now
20:34:14 <wilcal> Actually looks pretty good if I don't say so myself
20:35:05 <brian__> yes - I'll just start living Mga5 and see what explodes  (any recommendations I'll take)
20:35:18 <Akien> I noticed that a i586 LXDE install has no Libreoffice
20:35:23 <Akien> Is that intended, or a bug?
20:35:28 <Akien> LO is on the medium
20:35:40 <MrsB> intentional i think
20:35:53 <MrsB> it has light weight office apps instead
20:36:00 <Akien> Ok. That makes sense since it has abiword and gnumeric
20:36:02 <MrsB> abiwrod etc
20:36:06 <MrsB> abiword
20:36:12 <MrsB> yep
20:36:17 <Akien> Ok, not a bug then
20:36:21 <tmb> for live medias I dont have an ETA just now, as one of the security updates on mga4 seems to have broken draklive :/
20:36:30 <MrsB> oops
20:36:42 <MrsB> which one?
20:36:53 <tmb> So I'm rolling back one at a time until I find it ...
20:37:10 <brian__> ouch - been there in other projects.  sorry
20:37:34 <ennael> outch
20:38:20 <lewyssmith> Question: if classic installer F2 produces an empty screenshot, should that be bugged or just PADed?
20:38:21 <tmb> I'm testing the 3 big ones first, kernel, glibc and dbus... kernel is ok,
20:38:28 <MrsB> i would guess maybe e2fsprogs, dbus, cpio
20:38:33 <MrsB> oh ok
20:38:54 <Luigi12_work> I'd guess cpio
20:39:34 <lewyssmith> For DrakLive?
20:39:48 <tmb> truuble is I have to either setup a local iso builder here to confirm or downgrade and reboot rabbit, but then I break rsync connections :/
20:40:12 <MrsB> rsync resumes
20:40:45 <tmb> the cpio one I can of course downgrade without reboot, so that's an easy test
20:41:08 <MrsB> it's nice to focus on a few isos at a time anyway, gives us a couple of days head start with classic isos
20:41:36 <MrsB> victim = anne
20:41:52 <ennael> no pb :)
20:41:58 <ennael> better is to fix this
20:43:13 <MrsB> So anything else to add about RC now or shallw e move on?
20:43:37 <brian__> is there any that hasn't been tested you'd like me to try?
20:43:42 <MrsB> #info please make sure to create bugs for any you find and please make good use of the pad (when it's working)
20:43:53 <tmb> oh, I see sudo is there in updates list too, that's a suspect too
20:44:01 <wilcal> The MCC crashing windows problem. Has that been bugged yet
20:44:04 <ennael> tmb: when was it updated?
20:44:18 <lewyssmith> brian__: The PAD gives a good idea of what has been or not tested.
20:44:23 <tmb> ennael, last weekend... by me :/
20:44:28 <MrsB> brian__: you can see on the pad, just pick somethign not tested yet. Really though, everything is hardware dependent, so it doesn't matter too much as they all need testing as widely as possible
20:44:31 <DavidWHodgins> brian__: We need as many people as possible, to test each iso, as everyone has different hardware.
20:44:40 <MrsB> https://pad.riseup.net/p/mageia5rc
20:44:59 <Akien> The pad is hard to reach lately though
20:45:07 <brian__> yes - seemed like dual before.  I look at rc-i586-dvd next
20:45:18 <MrsB> #info please check everythign carefully now, we're nearing the end! All applications etc.
20:45:23 <Luigi12_work> only thing I noticed with the sudo update was the first time I ran it after the update was it gave that message it gives the first time you ever run sudo
20:45:38 <Luigi12_work> it's back to normal after that
20:46:30 <MrsB> let's move on then
20:46:35 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates
20:46:38 <MrsB> thanks
20:46:54 <MrsB> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates
20:46:55 <wilcal> can we push the php thingy
20:46:56 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
20:47:08 <MrsB> when it's tested yes
20:47:18 <wilcal> we could test forever
20:47:27 <MrsB> it's not tested