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20:05:18 <MrsB> morning everybody, welcome to another one
20:05:26 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Best to eat something if drinking.
20:05:37 <wilcal> Just finishing lunch here
20:05:37 <MrsB> just had a big chinese
20:05:45 <Kernewes> yum
20:05:51 <MrsB> Who is going to be Dave today?
20:05:58 <Kernewes> Lewys
20:06:10 <olivier_cc> agreed :)
20:06:17 <MrsB> #chair wilcal lewyssmith
20:06:17 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: MrsB lewyssmith wilcal
20:06:23 <MrsB> victims :D
20:06:46 <MrsB> Let's kick it off then
20:06:53 <MrsB> #topic Who's new?
20:07:05 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today?
20:07:08 <Kernewes> not even many regulars by the look of it
20:07:27 <lewyssmith> I don't know.
20:07:36 <wilcal> no tmb yet
20:07:40 <lewyssmith> i.e. more than ususal.
20:07:43 <MrsB> doesn't look like it. Vladimir was goign to try and be here today
20:07:57 <lewyssmith> Where is he from?
20:08:02 <MrsB> Ummm
20:08:10 * MrsB checks the email address
20:08:11 <Kernewes> No Len, no Herman, no RemyServices
20:08:24 <lewyssmith> He could be Putin in disguise.
20:08:36 <MrsB> hmm from gmail, doesn't help
20:08:43 <MrsB> herman was here earlier
20:08:54 <MrsB> len has some personal stuff going on
20:08:57 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: tell him to go over to Rosa and leave us alone
20:09:15 <MrsB> Kernewes: that's not nice :(
20:09:43 <Kernewes> MrsB: only if he's Putin in disguise
20:10:08 <Kernewes> dunno what rosa would say though
20:10:13 <MrsB> oh ok then. But on record, we have many russian contributors and the community there is quite active
20:10:32 <Kernewes> yes, they have a wiki as well don't they
20:10:50 <MrsB> Nobody new though so let's move on
20:10:59 <MrsB> go Dave
20:11:01 <wilcal> we do I have "talked" of line to some of them
20:11:02 <marja11> is he from Australia?
20:11:19 <MrsB> when he's here we can ask him
20:11:21 <lewyssmith> #topic Mentoring
20:11:27 <MrsB> Thanks Dave
20:11:38 <MrsB> How is the mentoring going?
20:11:56 <lewyssmith> Is ther any ongoing now?
20:11:57 <MrsB> I'll create a page tomorrow to keep track of who's with who
20:12:05 * MrsB not sure :\
20:12:18 <MrsB> brian_: were you paired with David Hodgins?
20:13:00 <MrsB> wilcal: is anybody with you at the moment?
20:13:06 <MrsB> and you lew?
20:13:13 <brian_> Paired with Bill
20:13:21 <MrsB> ahh thanks
20:13:23 <lewyssmith> All mine are grown up.
20:13:32 <MrsB> they're doing great too
20:13:42 <olivier_cc> we were well mentored ;-)
20:13:50 <brian_> still uneducated though - I haven't engaged him
20:14:00 <wilcal> David Larson is mine and contributes nicely when he can
20:14:04 <MrsB> give him a poke brian_
20:14:18 <MrsB> you have two then wilcal
20:14:47 <MrsB> I'll make that page tomorrow though, shameful not to know
20:14:53 <wilcal> Make a special page thanks
20:15:25 <MrsB> so no problems anyway, that's good. other than keeping up with what's what
20:15:30 <lewyssmith> A couple of mine have disappeared since ages; maybe I should poke them.
20:15:41 <MrsB> yes don't be afraid to poke
20:15:52 <lewyssmith> They were *good*.
20:16:33 <lewyssmith> Next topic?
20:16:36 <MrsB> i'll let you both know the page so you can add your guys to it
20:16:38 <MrsB> yep
20:16:46 <lewyssmith> #topic ISOs & Upgrades
20:16:53 <MrsB> thanks dave
20:17:13 <lewyssmith> No dilly-dallying tonight.
20:17:16 <MrsB> This is mainly to see if anything new has cropped up in testing
20:17:30 <MrsB> dilly-dallying, how very dare you
20:17:35 <wilcal> I spent some time on upgrade yesterday and filed a brief bug on that
20:17:50 <brian_> did you get the error message at the end of the upgrade wilcal?
20:18:00 <wilcal> yes
20:18:07 <MrsB> I've installed a few Gnomes today. Found the livecd didn't list the user in gdm
20:18:08 <brian_> I chose to ignore and it moved on
20:18:11 <wilcal> but continued on and the install completed
20:18:18 <wilcal> both of my installs were KDE
20:18:22 <wilcal> upgrades
20:18:31 <brian_> my was KDE as well - haven't tried gnome upgrade
20:18:34 <lewyssmith> Gnome Live DVD: I am intrigued that I never got it to EFI work, yet tmb says it should (KDE did).
20:19:21 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15108
20:19:22 <brian_> anybody else try upgrade of gnome.  gnome is generally not my friend
20:19:22 <[mbot> Bug 15108: normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , M4.1 -> M5B2 upgrade results
20:19:32 <MrsB> If you get a message about script failed during upgrade please check /root/srakx/ddebug.log and search for script failed. The preceding transaction of rpm installs is info to put into a bug report
20:19:51 <MrsB> oops /root/drakx/ddebug.log
20:20:07 <MrsB> the transaction is usually about 8 packages
20:20:55 <MrsB> theres a bug at the moment with rpm which means it doesn't necessarily show the correct package has the script error
20:21:03 <MrsB> rpm/urpmi
20:22:02 <lewyssmith> Move on?
20:22:14 <Kernewes> quick meeting tonight :)
20:22:19 <MrsB> printed off vladimirs efi table, ennael would you like to give any new info about it here?
20:22:34 <wilcal> This is the error I'm getting
20:22:36 <wilcal> Error: "Script" failed for libgrilo-gir0.2-0.2.11-4.mga5.i586
20:22:47 <brian_> that's it
20:23:00 <Luigi12_work> which is likely adwaita-icon-theme really, check the transaction in the log
20:23:02 <wilcal> Thanks for verifying kool
20:23:13 <Luigi12_work> in which case, known issue(s)
20:23:18 <wilcal> k
20:23:26 <MrsB> fixed in cauldron isn't it now?
20:23:38 <Luigi12_work> not that I'm aware of
20:23:48 <MrsB> oh
20:24:13 <MrsB> to be fixed in cauldron
20:24:41 <brian_> gnome_64 from MGA5_beta 2 - working nicely
20:24:58 <brian_> only problem is my harddrive runs backwards now   ;-)
20:25:17 <MrsB> lol hope not!
20:25:31 <wilcal> I think we're get'n closer on:
20:25:34 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11969
20:25:35 <[mbot> Bug 11969: critical, release_blocker, olav, ASSIGNED , embedded rpmdrake in MCC is rendering black with some non-english locales, gtk+3.0
20:25:38 <MrsB> keep testing upgrades please then guys with random packages installed. Do the online upgrades too
20:25:55 <wilcal> something about oxygen-gtk oxygen-gtk3 ?
20:25:58 <wilcal> or not
20:26:01 <MrsB> yep, the known bugs are being worked through wilcal
20:26:11 <wilcal> Super deal MrsB
20:26:30 <MrsB> let's move on then Dave :)
20:26:33 <lewyssmith> #topic Testing Updates
20:26:36 <MrsB> tah
20:26:48 <MrsB> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates
20:26:54 <MrsB> Is there anything scary?
20:27:06 <wilcal> Listing is about as low as I've seen it in awhile
20:27:10 <MrsB> drakgw still. I'll look at that tomorrow
20:27:27 <MrsB> yeah, be nice to clear it though wouldnt it. It hardly ever happens
20:27:49 <olivier_cc> I can't figure that drakgw bug
20:27:50 <wilcal> Get that aircrack thing'y outta there
20:27:56 <Kernewes> looks better without Mga3
20:28:07 <MrsB> i'll do the advisory after
20:28:40 <MrsB> drakgw just test it seems to work ok, or there are no obvious regressions
20:29:04 <MrsB> I've never really played with it so be interesting to have a poke at it
20:29:21 <lewyssmith> What *is* VDR ?
20:29:48 <MrsB> it's a video recorder thing
20:29:57 <MrsB> marja may be able to help test that
20:30:06 <lewyssmith> Do you need any special hardware?
20:30:12 <olivier_cc> You need a tv card tuner don't you
20:30:17 <MrsB> ideally yes
20:30:24 <MrsB> or usb tv thing
20:30:38 <lewyssmith> No TV here.
20:30:46 <olivier_cc> nor here
20:30:53 <lewyssmith> Super!
20:31:01 <MrsB> marja11: are you here?
20:31:22 <MrsB> usually with bugfixes we can ask the reporter to test also
20:31:22 <wilcal> over the air TV is becoming so passé
20:31:34 <Kernewes> TV is becoming so rubbish :(
20:31:38 <MrsB> if the bug is confirmed fixed we can do basic testing
20:31:40 <brian_> lol - I use
20:31:46 <brian_> but no TV card
20:31:52 <MrsB> hmm
20:32:05 <MrsB> Somebody mentioned they had one, was it herman?
20:32:17 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Did you ever reach that ss3 thing?
20:32:39 <MrsB> yes, validated it as my box didnt have the needed cpu
20:32:59 <lewyssmith> Pity.
20:33:18 <MrsB> yeah, it had been tested by a few people though, just not with sse2 cpu
20:33:49 <MrsB> nothing really scary there this week is there. We can all manage flash I'm sure
20:34:24 <MrsB> let's treat that one as high priority please even though it's updated for a windows vulnerbility
20:34:36 <Kernewes> will try and do some this weekend but am going to have to go hospital visiting
20:35:00 <MrsB> save you some then Kernewes :)
20:35:12 <MrsB> let's move on then Dave
20:35:14 <lewyssmith> #Topic Luigi's Roundup
20:35:17 <MrsB> thanks
20:35:17 <Luigi12_work> boo
20:35:21 <MrsB> OooOooo
20:35:25 <NyB> iiiik@
20:35:28 <wilcal> hello Luigi
20:35:31 <lewyssmith> Hello David.
20:35:36 <olivier_cc> hi luigi
20:35:38 <NyB> hello Dave
20:35:40 <Kernewes> Luigi12_work: hi
20:35:49 <wilcal> tmb's kernel updates have'nt materized yet
20:35:58 <Luigi12_work> they're packaged, just no bug for it
20:36:05 <Luigi12_work> I've already got it running on all my machines
20:36:12 <MrsB> oh i have some news about kernels for next release, there will be fewer of them
20:36:19 <wilcal> Well I've time this weekend
20:36:27 <Luigi12_work> we had some problems with the Squid server today during a quiz, but I don't think the kernel had anything to do with it
20:36:30 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Hooray!
20:36:41 <MrsB> tmb is dropping kernel-rt, kernel-vserver and rationalising the kernel-tmb's
20:36:41 <Kernewes> MrsB: fewer, I thought Linus decides when to release kernels#
20:36:51 <Kernewes> oh I see
20:36:52 <wilcal> ooooo that will be nice
20:36:54 <MrsB> fewer varieties i mean
20:36:55 <Luigi12_work> fewer in terms of flavors
20:37:05 <NyB> MrsB: is this about dropping the -vserver etc flavors?
20:37:10 <MrsB> yes
20:37:16 <wilcal> cuts down on testing time considerably
20:37:18 <Luigi12_work> so I do have some security bugs filed in the past week, so we should have some updates coming
20:37:25 <MrsB> and potential issues
20:37:50 <Luigi12_work> there's bugs for kwallet and kdebase4-workspace.  I saw Luc built an update in updates_testing, but he hasn't said anything on the bug reports yet.
20:37:51 <MrsB> so we don't have long to clear the list
20:38:13 <Luigi12_work> an outside developer posted on the zarafa bug how to fix that issue, so when Thomas sees it, we might have a zarafa update
20:38:45 <Luigi12_work> I filed bugs with guillomovitch for suricata and sympa, so he might fix those eventually.  I did see a freeze push request for suricata in Cauldron
20:38:54 <MrsB> #info sec bugs filed for kwallet, kdebase4-workspace and there may be movement on zarafa
20:39:00 <Luigi12_work> there will be a chromium-browser-stable update (now version 40)
20:39:22 <MrsB> #info also suricata, sympa and chromium-browser-stable
20:39:37 <Luigi12_work> and I filed a bug for python-pillow today.  Fedora 20, which we sync from for Mageia 4 on that package,  hasn't fixed the issue yet, so we'll have to wait and see on handling that one
20:39:42 <MrsB> have we had suricata before?
20:39:53 <Luigi12_work> not sure
20:40:05 <Kernewes> what is that?
20:40:10 <MrsB> looks sorta familir but i dont rememebr it
20:40:33 <MrsB> #info also python-pillow
20:40:43 <MrsB> nothing too scary there either really
20:40:44 <ennael> suricata is an IDS
20:40:54 <Kernewes> ennael: thank you
20:41:02 <ennael> security tool
20:41:02 <ennael> :)
20:41:04 <Luigi12_work> we had one suricata CVE in bugzilla, only Cauldron was affected for that one
20:41:20 <MrsB> so a new toy for QA then
20:41:42 <Luigi12_work> hope someone takes care of sympa.  Our web interface may be affected.  Not sure.
20:41:46 <MrsB> first to work out how ot test it gets a gold star :)
20:42:11 <wilcal> and a new job if your good at it :-))
20:42:14 <Kernewes> suricata or sympa?
20:42:16 <olivier_cc> that's an incentive :)
20:42:20 <MrsB> suricata
20:42:26 <MrsB> we've had sympa before
20:43:01 <Luigi12_work> that's all from me
20:43:13 <MrsB> that was pretty painless
20:43:14 <Kernewes> Luigi12_work: thanks
20:43:19 <MrsB> thanks Luigi12_work
20:43:19 <olivier_cc> thanks Luigi
20:43:24 <wilcal> super job
20:43:29 <MrsB> as always
20:43:40 <MrsB> well, that only leaves..
20:43:44 <lewyssmith> #topic Anything Else?
20:43:49 <MrsB> \o/
20:43:54 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
20:43:54 <wilcal> wilcal takes a deep breath
20:43:56 <wilcal> I wanna talk a little about UEFI. Maybe lewyssmith can lead off with status.
20:44:12 <lewyssmith> What do you want to know?
20:44:22 <wilcal> kinda where your at
20:44:41 <lewyssmith> There have been loads of reports on the mailList.
20:44:52 <wilcal> most important here is how much time do you think will be needed to get it to releaseable condition
20:44:58 <MrsB> did your tests agree with Vlad's lewis?
20:45:25 <wilcal> I spent this morning reading up on UEFI but I'm no expert
20:45:34 <lewyssmith> Personally, I am behind the crowd: no joy with Classic, nor Gnome Live, only KDE Live worked vit with a virtual console problem.
20:45:53 <lewyssmith> vit := but
20:46:05 <wilcal> Others should contribute here if they even have the system(s) to test it on
20:46:13 <wilcal> I have one
20:46:24 <Kernewes> nothing here, sorry
20:46:25 <MrsB> #info Anne will be emailing qa-discuss with a status update for EFI and tmb
20:46:39 <wilcal> Many thanks to Anne
20:46:52 <lewyssmith> It is much more straightforward than al the fear suggests.
20:46:56 <wilcal> Only 64-bit implementation right
20:47:00 <lewyssmith> Yes.
20:47:09 <lewyssmith> And only GPT.
20:47:12 <MrsB> yes, i think you're right lewis
20:47:16 <wilcal> no secure boot
20:47:29 <lewyssmith> That is a seperate issue.
20:47:34 <wilcal> I'm not sure at all how the GPT thingy works
20:47:46 <lewyssmith> Easy: all partitons are equal.
20:47:48 <wilcal> Basic question lewys
20:48:02 <lewyssmith> ?
20:48:04 <MrsB> gpt is just a different partition table system
20:48:27 <Kernewes> no primary and logical, is that right?
20:48:32 <lewyssmith> Yes.
20:48:46 <wilcal> WHen you start the install, and your on a UEFI capable platform, will you be given the choice to install BIOS(CSM) or UEFI?
20:49:00 <wilcal> or forced to go UEFI
20:49:09 <lewyssmith> I think that the installer will know how iot has been booted.
20:49:28 <marja11> MrsB: sorry, got distracted reading my mails
20:49:36 <MrsB> Hi marja
20:49:43 <lewyssmith> If you have frigged your box to CSM, it looks like an old MBR system.
20:49:55 <wilcal> If I just write the iso to a usb as I always have it will never install UEFI
20:50:02 <marja11> MrsB: I have a separate DVD-S tuner, but no tv card
20:50:05 <lewyssmith> No.
20:50:08 <marja11> oops
20:50:13 <MrsB> could you test VDR for us marja please
20:50:15 <marja11> s/DVD?DVB?
20:50:20 <marja11> grumph
20:50:27 <marja11> s/DVD/DVB/
20:50:27 <MrsB> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14948
20:50:28 <[mbot> Bug 14948: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, ASSIGNED , Update request: vdr-2.0.3-3.1.mga4, vdr-plugin-live-0.3.0-2.1.mga4, vdr, vdr-plugin-live
20:50:40 <wilcal> Are we doing anything with UEFOI RAID that looks to be very complex
20:50:51 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Apparently it wants ISOs on DVD, or ISO contents on USB.
20:50:56 <lewyssmith> Don't know.
20:51:20 <MrsB> Vlad emailed tmb to offer assistance with testing. I think that's his setup. Let's wait and see
20:51:28 <wilcal> I also looked at what's happening in Ubuntu, Mint, suse and Fedora and still lots of confusion there too
20:51:39 <lewyssmith> TonyB in Australia got stuck on an EFI box with exotic RAID.
20:51:41 <marja11> MrsB: my tuner does not run Mageia, but OpenPli
20:51:50 <wilcal> That's why I brought it up at the consul meeting on Monday
20:52:05 <wilcal> Is this thing really ready for prime time
20:52:22 <lewyssmith> wilcal: TonyB ended up abandoning the RAID to getr Mageia installed.
20:52:33 <wilcal> yep saw lots of that out there
20:52:59 <MrsB> IS it read: Now - no.. Later - yes
20:53:01 <lewyssmith> wilcal: I have been running several Liux's native EFI for over a year.
20:53:16 <wilcal> Do we label UEFI "Experimental" on M5 and firm it up on M6?
20:53:18 <MrsB> don't confuse secure boot and EFI boot
20:53:26 <lewyssmith> Agreed.
20:53:31 <wilcal> I agree we are staying way away from secure boot
20:53:42 <Kernewes> I wonder if we'd lose more people by not having EFI than by delaying final release
20:53:46 <lewyssmith> wilcal: We *hould* have for M5; we had it for M4.
20:53:47 <wilcal> we do NOT screw with the system motherboard firmware
20:54:07 <lewyssmith> I meant EFI, not secure boot.
20:54:15 <wilcal> We are really having the same pains as other distros
20:54:31 <lewyssmith> See my earlier remark.
20:54:32 <Kernewes> that's some comfort I suppose
20:55:03 <wilcal> I see nothing wrong with including it in M5 but labeling it "Experimental"
20:55:16 <MrsB> You don't know what progress has been made yet
20:55:31 <lewyssmith> Since 2013, Suse; Manjaro, Korora (ex Fedora) have flown - & Mageia.
20:55:36 <Kernewes> we haven't read ennael's email yet
20:55:39 <wilcal> We await the post to qa-discuss
20:55:47 <MrsB> yep, don't jump the gun
20:55:59 <Luigi12_work> or the shark
20:56:14 <MrsB> I think you're perhaps cufusing UEFI issues and UEFI secure boot issues
20:56:18 <MrsB> confusing*
20:56:23 <wilcal> So long as your not forced to install UEFI on a non-UEFI system
20:56:31 <lewyssmith> Never!
20:56:34 <MrsB> you can't install uefi
20:57:09 <wilcal> Dual booting Win8 and Linux EUFI looks to be a challenge
20:57:16 <lewyssmith> I have it.
20:57:33 <Kernewes> wilcal: isn't that because of secure boot?
20:57:33 <wilcal> Win8 was already UEFI then right
20:57:36 <Luigi12_work> win8 means restricted boot doesn't it?
20:57:41 <lewyssmith> Kernewes: No.
20:57:50 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Yes.
20:58:08 <lewyssmith> Luigi12_work: No.
20:58:32 <Luigi12_work> all that stuff's too confusing
20:58:37 <Kernewes> yep
20:58:41 <wilcal> anyway I think we've kicked it around enough and we await ennael/tmb post on qa-discuss
20:58:46 <lewyssmith> It isnt't, David.
20:58:46 <MrsB> yep
20:58:50 <Luigi12_work> indeed
20:59:16 <Luigi12_work> back to class
20:59:17 <MrsB> I prescribe everybody take a crash course on what EFI is and how it works
20:59:27 <lewyssmith> I shall do a Wiki.
20:59:32 <MrsB> probably on wikipedia
20:59:32 <wilcal> lots of good resources out there
20:59:33 <Kernewes> but don't crash your computer
20:59:46 <MrsB> #info lewis will do an EFI wiki for us
20:59:51 <wilcal> hold a sec I'll post a good one
21:00:02 <lewyssmith> I am peeved by the hysteria about it.
21:00:09 <MrsB> yes, too much hype
21:00:15 <wilcal> https://www.happyassassin.net/2014/01/25/uefi-boot-how-does-that-actually-work-then/
21:00:39 <wilcal> Adam Williamson worked a lot with Mandriva. Long read but good info here
21:00:49 <wilcal> He now works at Red Hat
21:01:06 <MrsB> i think i've read that one before
21:01:33 <MrsB> Is there anythign else else?
21:01:34 <wilcal> I'm done
21:01:40 <lewyssmith> Ditto.
21:01:52 <Kernewes> I'm done
21:02:07 <MrsB> olivier_cc: ?
21:02:11 <olivier_cc> good for me
21:02:16 <MrsB> T - 5 then
21:02:21 <MrsB> thanks for coming everyone
21:02:27 <lewyssmith> Goodbye all.
21:02:29 <Kernewes> MrsB: thank you
21:02:34 <wilcal> bye see ya next week
21:02:36 <olivier_cc> bye bye everybody
21:02:39 <MrsB> keep testing upgrades please and let's see if we can clear the updates list before luigi12 fills it up again
21:02:46 <MrsB> and Thanks Dave
21:02:48 <Kernewes> MrsB: nobody's waiting for your countdown
21:02:50 <MrsB> 4
21:02:52 <MrsB> 3
21:02:53 <MrsB> 2
21:02:55 <MrsB> 1
21:02:57 <MrsB> #endmeeting