20:05:45 <MrsB> #startmeeting
20:05:45 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Jan 15 20:05:45 2015 UTC.  The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:05:54 <MrsB> Who's going to be Dave?
20:06:11 <wilcal> Benmc?
20:06:17 <olivier_cc> agreed
20:06:27 <MrsB> #chair wilcal Benmc
20:06:27 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: Benmc MrsB wilcal
20:06:31 <MrsB> done :)
20:06:40 <Benmc> am at work so in and out of off. perhaps not but thanks
20:06:49 <MrsB> too late
20:06:56 <Benmc> office*
20:07:02 <MrsB> #topic Who's new?
20:07:12 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today?
20:07:28 <azziam> I'm practically new.  One meeting and then absence.
20:07:35 <MrsB> hi azziam
20:07:42 <MrsB> Did we find you a mentor?
20:08:02 <azziam> Hi.  Sorry I'm so scarce.  Time stretching...
20:08:41 <azziam> wilcal is my mentor and he's supplied strings for rsync and such
20:08:56 <wilcal> doing well
20:09:08 <MrsB> cool good, we'll shift focus onto testing updates again now
20:09:21 <MrsB> Nobody really new
20:09:31 <MrsB> #topic Mentoring update
20:09:43 <MrsB> How is it going?
20:10:03 <MrsB> it's been a bit hectic recently so we can pick this up properly again now
20:11:04 <MrsB> any problems?
20:11:32 <wilcal> The list was pretty short a few days ago now starting to grow again
20:11:50 <MrsB> mentoring problems
20:11:56 <wilcal> oo sorry wrong subject
20:12:00 <MrsB> lol
20:12:33 * MrsB guess not
20:12:38 <MrsB> all sleep
20:13:07 <lewyssmith> Take the answer as 'No'?
20:13:08 <wilcal> They're all wait'n to talk about M5B2
20:13:09 <hviaene> almost, getting late
20:13:38 <MrsB> #topic Beta 2
20:13:54 <MrsB> So how did we do?
20:13:55 <wilcal> I did install both CI isos this morning on Vbox no probs
20:14:23 <wilcal> IMO we are really ready to go
20:14:29 <hviaene> Installs OK, but upgrade so and so
20:14:44 <MrsB> yeah, tmb ennael we're ready
20:14:50 <wilcal> Upgrade from 4.1 -> 5
20:15:07 <hviaene> Yes
20:15:07 <MrsB> keep reporting bugs for any upgrade issues
20:15:15 <wilcal> I'm a little worried about:
20:15:17 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11969
20:15:18 <[mbot> Bug 11969: critical, release_blocker, olav, ASSIGNED , embedded rpmdrake in MCC is rendering black with some non-english locales, gtk+3.0
20:15:18 <wilcal> It's on the blocker list. I'm starting to see black
20:15:20 <wilcal> MCC windows in some of my Vbox testing.
20:15:31 <wilcal> it could be a really serious problem
20:15:45 <MrsB> there are still bugs yes, it's not final yet
20:15:51 <hviaene> That's the issue I hit
20:15:53 <tmb> ok, I'll start preparing / signing the isos / torrents and push them online
20:16:43 <MrsB> what about the team? could we have done anything differently?
20:17:07 <ennael> I will start checking with pterjan about issues relative to installer
20:17:17 <ennael> he fixed already the one about release notes
20:17:29 <MrsB> there are a number of installer issues
20:17:41 <ennael> indeed and tv seems to be busy
20:17:44 <MrsB> i'll try and dig them all out and start a tracker if you like
20:18:01 <ennael> well tracker is not that needed only some work on it
20:18:09 <MrsB> ok
20:18:42 <MrsB> is the team here? nopbody anything to say?
20:19:04 <wilcal> The pad went down a couple times
20:19:04 <azziam> I did one hardware install each of classic 32 and 64 last night and updated them, no problems I saw yet.
20:19:11 <ennael> on my side I will try to write kind of reference packages list to check on each build
20:19:15 <lewyssmith> For us EFI lot, there is not much to say!
20:19:34 <wilcal> I've just started to understand the EFI thingy
20:19:54 <wilcal> can you do an EFI install in Vbox?
20:19:59 <MrsB> #info alot are waiting for efi integration
20:20:22 <lewyssmith> Talking of the PAD, it is not working under Opera. A certificate issue perhaps?
20:20:24 <tmb> yes, current vbox has a working efi support
20:20:57 <MrsB> #info anne will write a thing to check for missing packages
20:21:16 <wilcal> so how do you indicate an efi install in Vbox
20:21:30 <MrsB> Maybe a java thing lewis, it seems ok in firefox
20:21:33 <wilcal> something i'm missing in the installer
20:22:05 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Yes, I know it works in FF; but it refuses to connect with Opera.
20:22:17 <MrsB> don't use opera?
20:22:31 <lewyssmith> My main application...
20:22:48 <lewyssmith> I use FF where necessary, though.
20:22:57 <MrsB> we can't do anything about that though so it's a sensible workaround
20:23:22 <tmb> wilcal, vm settings -> System -> Activate EFI
20:24:12 <MrsB> #info to activate EFI in vbox - vm settings -> System -> Activate EFI
20:24:26 <marja> MrsB: thx for info'ing that :-)
20:24:34 <MrsB> anybody can info
20:24:57 <marja> yeah, but I wasn't smart enough to do it ;-)
20:25:03 <MrsB> lol
20:25:16 <MrsB> Ok nobody has alot to say tonight so let's move on
20:25:28 <MrsB> #topic Testing updates
20:25:38 <wilcal> Ahhh I see it it's a check box
20:25:44 <MrsB> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates
20:25:45 <lewyssmith> A big list now.
20:25:46 <wilcal> thks tmb
20:25:47 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
20:26:55 <MrsB> Yeah, it would have been longer though. Herman, and Olivier this week, have kept on top of it
20:27:09 <RemyServices> if I have any energy tonight I'll hit some of these
20:27:23 <MrsB> that'd be good, well done
20:27:23 <wilcal> why is the Firefox critical update grey'd out?
20:27:31 <hviaene> Not me this week,
20:27:33 <MrsB> I think it's waiting for thunderbird
20:27:45 <tmb> nope, the firefox build failed
20:28:08 <MrsB> oh ok, tend not to look until the grey disappears
20:28:38 <MrsB> Are there any there that look scary?
20:29:11 <RemyServices> gargoyle?
20:29:17 <wilcal> I'll probably go after the mariadb thing today or tomorrow
20:29:23 <RemyServices> oh, you meant for testing, sorry
20:29:41 <MrsB> binutils stuff can be used against just about anything in /usr/bin (carefully of course)
20:29:41 <hviaene> Not scary, but the lower half of th elist seems to stick
20:30:03 <olivier_cc> how would you do that ?
20:30:12 <MrsB> yes, we prioritise the security updates
20:30:27 <RemyServices> I think I can do aircrack on 64, but don't hold me to it, don't remember if the card supports it
20:31:12 <MrsB> gargoyle has a procedure on the bug. I don't think we've come across that one before
20:33:20 <MrsB> olivier_cc: urpmf ^binutils | grep usr/bin shows you some commands to use
20:33:45 <olivier_cc> ok thanks, I'll have a look then.
20:33:49 <MrsB> use them as normal user rather than root, so it can't make changes to the files there
20:34:22 <MrsB> I thought we'd updated that before but the search isn't finding it
20:35:08 <MrsB> I'll install mga4 on my other box tmrw and test opencv (at last)
20:35:46 <MrsB> Any other scary ones?
20:36:15 <lewyssmith> drakgw baffles me.
20:36:28 <hviaene> same for me
20:37:04 <wilcal> As you saw on qa-dicuss I put some time into looking at the
20:37:05 <wilcal> CPU load while running CUPS and I saw no reason to generate
20:37:07 <wilcal> a Bug for that.
20:37:12 <MrsB> i've never used it. It's the internet sharing thing isn't it
20:37:34 <MrsB> thanks for testign that wilcal, that's mga5 though
20:38:19 <wilcal> Yes, that is M5 but I think M4.1 performs the same way
20:38:25 <MrsB> I would suggest for drakgw, if the reporter has confirmed the fix, just update it and experiment with it. If it *seems* to work ok then we can OK it
20:39:04 <MrsB> It's possible to configure vbox with two network interfaces if you fancy playing arouns with it
20:39:10 <MrsB> around
20:40:26 <MrsB> the cups load thing was a consistently high load IINM so i think it must be HW specific or intermittent
20:41:05 <MrsB> Alrighty then, let's move on
20:41:16 <MrsB> feels like hard work tonight :\
20:41:26 <MrsB> #topic Luigis Roundup
20:41:33 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: ping
20:42:56 <lewyssmith> His laptop?
20:43:06 <MrsB> try
20:43:13 <MrsB> Luigi12_lappy: ping?
20:43:38 <lewyssmith> I dod not want to be the one to poke him!
20:43:47 <MrsB> give him a minute, he may be busy
20:44:00 <hviaene> Need something stronger?
20:44:13 <lewyssmith> If you can.
20:44:16 <ennael> lewyssmith: do you know he is a human being ? :)
20:44:24 <ennael> mmm I think so
20:44:27 <MrsB> oh yes please, vodka, gin, whiskey, all of the above!
20:44:40 <MrsB> dude :)
20:44:41 <lewyssmith> ennael: Don't understand.
20:44:47 <marja> DavidWHodgins: welcome :-)
20:44:53 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Welcome Dave.
20:44:56 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa. Just woke up.
20:45:15 <MrsB> morning
20:45:22 <MrsB> cat not fed?
20:45:34 <RemyServices> sorry, have to head out, ill do what I can later tonight on the updates
20:45:39 <DavidWHodgins> 1545 here. Yep. Just fed him.
20:45:43 <MrsB> nite RemyServicesthanks
20:46:06 <MrsB> I think the roundup will have to be emailed this week
20:46:23 <MrsB> that only leaves...
20:46:24 <Benmc> Anything else time?
20:46:32 <MrsB> #topic Anything else?
20:46:39 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
20:47:07 <hviaene> just a side issue on packaging
20:47:17 <MrsB> ok
20:47:54 <hviaene> If I install KDE, who has mede the decision what packages are included?
20:48:01 <Luigi12_work> hello
20:48:07 <lewyssmith> Ah!
20:48:07 <Luigi12_work> sorry, I'm teaching, but we're on a short break
20:48:08 <wilcal> Not from me just wanted to understand how to start testing the EFI thing
20:48:11 <hviaene> KDE people or Mageia packagers?
20:48:25 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Leave it for now.
20:48:30 <MrsB> one second, let's do a quick roundup, we'll come back to you herman, sorry
20:48:47 <MrsB> #topic Luigis real roundup :)
20:49:09 <MrsB> Hi Luigi12_work
20:50:15 <MrsB> gone again :D
20:50:29 <diogenese> Very short break.
20:50:37 <MrsB> that's a killer of a job
20:51:36 <MrsB> ennael: could you answer herman's query while we wait?
20:52:30 <Luigi12_work> here again
20:52:51 <MrsB> another bite of your sandwich
20:52:59 <Luigi12_work> students keep asking questions
20:53:14 <MrsB> don't they get in the way?
20:53:18 <wilcal> Students will do that
20:53:24 <Luigi12_work> lol
20:53:28 <Luigi12_work> ok roundup
20:53:30 <diogenese> Or should :)
20:54:30 <ennael> MrsB: who is herman ?
20:54:34 <MrsB> hviaene
20:55:06 <ennael> hviaene: KDE people mainly as they know quite well all KDE apps status
20:55:20 <ennael> hviaene: need help on it.
20:55:21 <ennael> ?
20:56:06 <hviaene> It annoys me that every time I do an install KDE on a laptop
20:56:18 <hviaene> I hacve to add krandr to it
20:56:28 <Luigi12_work> sorry, students want to learn today
20:56:30 <Luigi12_work> ok roundup
20:56:40 <hviaene> in order to use beamer - screen duplicated
20:56:44 <Luigi12_work> so I've filed bugs for 7 packages since last meeting
20:57:12 <Luigi12_work> zarafa has a new CVE, but upstream has been nonresponsive and not forthcoming with a fix.  Package is now dropped in Cauldron.  We'll do an update for 4 if we get a fix.
20:57:25 <Luigi12_work> kwallet CVE has been fixed in Cauldron, Luc will fix in mga4 when he has time
20:57:46 <Luigi12_work> webkit CVEs may not be fixed for mga4, not sure.  2.2.x is no longer supported upstream, so we'll see if some distro backports patches
20:57:57 <MrsB> #info since last meeting, zarafa has cve but no upstream response, package has been dropped in cauldron
20:58:15 <Luigi12_work> smack (a Java package) has a new CVE, not sure how to handle that fix as it's fixed in a new major version, so I'm waiting to see how Fedora handles it in Fedora 20
20:58:43 <Luigi12_work> owasp-esapi-java (obviously another Java package) has a CVE fixed in a new version, so we will update that one.  We have to update Cauldron first, so I CC'd pterjan on that one.
20:58:56 <Luigi12_work> iceape will have a security update from spturtle
20:59:13 <MrsB> #info kwallet update coming and owasp-esapi-java and iceape
20:59:23 <Luigi12_work> python-django is in progress by philippem.  Fixed in Cauldron.  He has to backport patches for python-django 1.5.x in mga4 since it's no longer supported upstream
20:59:27 <Luigi12_work> and that's all of them
20:59:41 <Luigi12_work> any questions for me?
20:59:48 <MrsB> #info some uncertainty about webkit and smack
21:00:07 <MrsB> #info python-django update in progress too
21:00:09 <wilcal> no kernels come'n from tmb?
21:00:18 <MrsB> thanks Luigi12_work
21:00:30 <lewyssmith> Yes, thanks.
21:00:31 <Luigi12_work> tmb will have to speak on kernels.  There's new CVEs all the time.  Not sure his current plan for that.
21:01:01 <tmb> yeah, I will probably push new builds this weekend...
21:01:11 <Luigi12_work> sweet
21:01:14 <MrsB> #info new kernels maybe this weekend
21:01:17 <wilcal> there goes next Tues :-0
21:01:22 <Luigi12_work> ok, back to class.  ttyl :D
21:01:28 <MrsB> did you find the cause of the depmod problem?
21:01:37 <MrsB> cya Luigi12_work
21:02:33 <Benmc> back to :Anything else?
21:02:46 <wilcal> not from me
21:02:55 <olivier_cc> Was away a few days so I had difficulties in keeping up with Beta testing news.
21:02:57 <MrsB> yes go for it Benmc
21:03:00 <tmb> for the depmod issue, I'm switching the dkms installs to %posttrans
21:03:07 <MrsB> thanks tmb
21:03:18 <MrsB> #info <tmb> for the depmod issue, I'm switching the dkms installs to %posttrans
21:03:50 <olivier_cc> Will there finally be a Beta3 ? I'm not sure I understood that.
21:03:59 <lewyssmith> Yes.
21:04:00 <MrsB> yes there will be
21:04:24 <MrsB> i'll post a link when we change topic
21:04:53 <lewyssmith> Benmc: Did you have something?
21:05:05 <MrsB> #topic Anything else?
21:05:08 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_5_Development
21:05:14 <hviaene> @marja: any news on Fosdem?
21:05:55 <MrsB> hviaene: there are two task meta packages for KDE. The one on the dvd is the task-kde-minimal IINM so will miss alot which is included in the task-kde, krandr may be in that one
21:07:12 <hviaene> Might be, but systemsettings is not working without it
21:07:22 <DavidWHodgins> krandr conflicts with kscreen, so a choice of which to have has to be made.
21:07:27 <marja> hviaene: we'll have a stand there, and the General Assembly
21:07:40 <MrsB> ahh that's what it is then, thanks Dave
21:08:10 <MrsB> is kscreen missing then if systemsettings is not working
21:08:27 <MrsB> you should create a bug if that's the cae anyway hviaene
21:08:35 <MrsB> case
21:08:38 <hviaene> No, kscreen is in
21:08:56 <hviaene> OK, I'll do that
21:09:28 <hviaene> marja: about the schedule at the stand?
21:09:39 <MrsB> #info FOSDEM is at the start of February
21:10:09 <hviaene> Jan 31?
21:10:11 <MrsB> https://fosdem.org/2015/
21:10:12 <[mbot> [ FOSDEM 2015 - Home ]
21:10:42 <MrsB> #info Jan 31st & Feb 1st
21:11:00 <MrsB> Mageia has it's general assembly there
21:11:14 <MrsB> and a stand with goodies available
21:12:13 <MrsB> Is there anything else else?
21:12:21 <lewyssmith> Not here.
21:12:29 <hviaene> Nope
21:12:30 <olivier_cc> ok for me
21:12:31 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing here.
21:12:32 <Benmc> not from me
21:12:36 <wilcal> I'm done
21:12:43 <MrsB> T - 5 then
21:12:49 <MrsB> thanks for coming everybody
21:12:55 <MrsB> let's focus on the updates now please
21:12:59 <lewyssmith> Goodbye all.
21:13:03 <olivier_cc> good evening folks
21:13:04 <MrsB> well done for the long haul of beta 2
21:13:13 <MrsB> 4
21:13:15 <MrsB> 3
21:13:16 <hviaene> Good night
21:13:17 <MrsB> 2
21:13:19 <MrsB> 1
21:13:22 <MrsB> Same time next week!
21:13:26 <MrsB> #endmeeting