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19:06:31 <lewyssmith> Tonyb: I wondered...
19:06:41 <MrsB> Hi all welcome to another QA meeting!
19:06:58 <MrsB> sorry we're late getting going, I'm just catching up with what happened today
19:07:09 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins
19:07:09 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB
19:07:14 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? - Say hello if you're just joining us.
19:07:15 <wilcal> Exciting stuff
19:07:25 <MrsB> Is there anybody new?
19:07:36 * MrsB just saw an email on qa-discuss \o/
19:08:06 <MrsB> #info Hi to Roelof, I'll reply to you after the meeting :)
19:08:07 <DavidWHodgins> My other computer is compiling dkms modules. What was the msg about?
19:08:35 <MrsB> roelof who helped out in bugsquad for a while is joining us in QA
19:08:48 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Great!
19:08:56 <wilcal> Kool the more the merrier
19:09:04 <MrsB> definitely so, yes
19:09:13 <dvg> But Roelof does not seem to be here, unless I dont see his alias
19:09:38 <MrsB> So there is somebody new today, but they're not here today.
19:09:55 <DavidWHodgins> #topic A word on beta1 - yep, already!
19:10:03 <MrsB> Ahh yes
19:10:26 <MrsB> You may have heard, or seen, Cauldron has now entered version freeze
19:10:33 <wilcal> Finally
19:10:48 <wilcal> No more 4GB rsync's
19:10:52 <lewyssmith> Is that for the duration of beta1?
19:11:08 <MrsB> that's for the duration on mga4
19:11:14 <DavidWHodgins> Mass rebuild coming, so there will be massive rsyncs for local repos
19:11:21 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_4_Development
19:11:23 <dvg> :)
19:11:32 <MrsB> We should start to see things become more stable now
19:11:36 <lewyssmith> So what happens about corrections discovered during testing?
19:11:46 * Led43_mag3 lurking
19:11:49 <Tonyb> Where does that leave us with UEFI issues; still room to get fixes in?
19:11:53 <DavidWHodgins> Bug fixes are still allowed, just not new versions.
19:12:08 <dvg> and they are planned not discovered
19:12:20 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, fixes is what devs will be concentrating on now, instead of new versions.
19:12:45 <MrsB> version freeze means that packagers stop just updating to new versions of things and we settle on where we're at. Bugs are fixed in the packages we have now for the most part. Exceptions are requested and manually submitted by sysadmins
19:13:06 <MrsB> Led43_mag3: Hi!
19:13:15 <lewyssmith> Hello to you
19:13:20 <DavidWHodgins> New versions are only accepted, if they are needed for bug fixes.
19:13:26 <MrsB> yep
19:13:30 <wilcal> Has Gnome settled out
19:14:01 <DavidWHodgins> Haven't checked cauldron much, myself, since last iso testing.
19:14:13 <MrsB> New versions tend to fix some stuff and break some other stuff so at some point ( version freeze) we settle on a version and fix the broken stuff
19:14:15 <DavidWHodgins> We should start doing more upgrade from Mageia 3 testing now.
19:14:34 <wilcal> Ya glibc + kernel
19:15:06 <dvg> DWH means M3 -> M4
19:15:22 <DavidWHodgins> Yep
19:15:41 <MrsB> #info We are now in Version Freeze
19:15:43 <MrsB> #info There is a mass rebuild of all packages planned sometime soon
19:15:43 <wilcal> M3 -> M4 upgrade that should be fun
19:16:07 <wilcal> So over the weekend my bandwidth should go to zero for awhile
19:16:26 <dvg> that's naughty? you pull the plug?
19:16:27 <MrsB> #info Beta 1 is planned for release on 31st October, so we should expect it around 24th/25th at a guess
19:16:49 <lewyssmith> Does this mean testing should be done between those dates?
19:16:49 <wilcal> I rsync starting at 4:01AM
19:16:54 <DavidWHodgins> Ran into that last night, as Luigi12 was rebuilding quite a few packages. Couldn't access bugzilla while my local repo was syncing.
19:17:06 <DavidWHodgins> My rsync runs every hour.
19:17:35 <MrsB> We should get beta1 around the 24th lewis, hopefully, and we test/fix and then release on the 31st
19:17:50 <wilcal> David when I rsync M4 I do it twice one right after the other
19:17:55 <lewyssmith> Can one test afterwards?
19:18:00 <MrsB> Our testing should begin to look at the software in greater detail now
19:18:03 <lewyssmith> i.e. 31st
19:18:24 <MrsB> yes, please do. Our official job ends when it released though
19:18:26 <dvg> 24-31st is more essential
19:18:41 <lewyssmith> I find that very rushed
19:18:44 <MrsB> After that we try and catch up with updates on the stable releases
19:18:49 <wilcal> isos of M4B1 should be pretty stable
19:18:53 <DavidWHodgins> Yes. We need to keep testing, including upgrade from m3 to m4 testing, right up until the final is released.
19:19:24 <MrsB> It always is a rush, it's why we need as many people testing as we can get, to spread the workload
19:19:47 <dvg> It keeps the adrenaline going ;)
19:19:47 <lewyssmith> It can take me a whole day just to do big rsyncs
19:20:12 <dvg> always use previous isos, saves huge GBs
19:20:13 <MrsB> The incremental rsyncs shouldn't be very big
19:20:27 <wilcal> I'll have to ask David how he executes an upgrade with his local repo(s)
19:20:34 <lewyssmith> Or download a new-to-me one
19:20:39 <MrsB> if it's downloading the whole thing again then you've done something wrong, probably given a bad path
19:21:07 <lewyssmith> I only download the whole thing for ISOs I do not yet have
19:21:26 <MrsB> yeah, the rest should only synchronise rather than download
19:21:31 <wilcal> Right now my local M4 repo is 56.9GB / 33,742 files
19:21:33 <dvg> if you did a set of isos before, you normally have them all ?
19:21:54 <wilcal> Hi Ya Luigi
19:22:15 <wilcal> He's outta here
19:23:04 <lewyssmith> I have 400Mb/hour. Understand now?
19:23:37 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: I only get about 440kB/s
19:24:04 <lewyssmith> About 4 times mine
19:24:28 <wilcal> My ISP claims I get 18MB/min I see 5MB/min from kernel.org
19:25:01 <lewyssmith> BTAIM I confine myself to a few ISOs
19:25:01 <dvg> ask your ISP for another 13MB ?
19:25:14 <wilcal> Also I'm being upgraded to 25MB/min by end of Nov
19:25:25 <MrsB> have you been using dorsync lewis?
19:25:30 <lewyssmith> rsync
19:25:44 <lewyssmith> I know how to drive it
19:25:50 <MrsB> Ok
19:26:03 <wilcal> If I want more then 25MB/min I gotta buy a new cable modem
19:26:10 <MrsB> Anybody any questions or anything to add?
19:26:22 <lewyssmith> Where is Kuigi?
19:26:29 <lewyssmith> Lugi
19:26:37 <lewyssmith> Luigi
19:26:41 <MrsB> Luggy?
19:26:50 <Zeldas7777> what are we talking about?
19:26:59 <MrsB> Hi Zeldas7777, QA meeting
19:27:13 <DavidWHodgins> Zeldas7777:  beta 1, and rsyncing the iso images
19:27:17 <Zeldas7777> :) subject
19:27:43 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Kernels, kernels and more kernels - Any issues so far?
19:27:52 <MrsB> Thanks
19:27:53 <lewyssmith> Not for me
19:28:16 <MrsB> I think glibc has an issue in vbox doesn't it?
19:28:17 <wilcal> I've a couple issues and posted those in the bugs
19:28:22 <wilcal> Yes
19:28:31 <MrsB> I've not kept up very well the last couple of days :\
19:28:32 <wilcal> I'm having problems with M3 32-bit in Vbox. See Co
19:28:42 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, but only on m2, under i586, and there is an easy workaround.
19:28:44 <wilcal> I'm having problems with M3 32-bit in Vbox. See Comment 29 in Bug 11059.
19:28:45 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11059 major, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, ASSIGNED , glibc new security issues CVE-2012-4412 CVE-2012-4424 CVE-2013-2207 CVE-2013-4237 CVE-2013-4332 CVE-2013-4788, glibc
19:28:45 <wilcal> That's a fail to come back to a working desktop.
19:29:21 <wilcal> Also today I ran into a problem with M3 64-bit nVidia on real hardware
19:29:22 <MrsB> #info There are issues with Mga2 & mga3 i586 in vbox
19:29:30 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Use host key (right alt normally), plus f2, to get to  a login, then login as root, and run "service dm restart"
19:29:32 <wilcal> See Comment 35 in Bug 11059
19:29:53 <MrsB> tmb: ping?
19:30:14 <wilcal> The Vbox thingy is a confirmed bug and that makes me happy
19:30:21 <wilcal> I'm not going nuts
19:30:27 <Zeldas7777> their are issues with my fresh install after low level format
19:30:31 <DavidWHodgins> Once I restarted the dm, it worked ok, even after rebooting.
19:30:36 <MrsB> probably are, but it doesn't show up testing kernels :P
19:30:44 <wilcal> The nVidia thing I'm not sure if I'm installing correctly
19:31:10 <MrsB> what was the nvidia thing?
19:31:19 <wilcal> I'm also having problems with M3 64-bit on nVidia real hardware.
19:31:21 <wilcal> See Comment 35 in Bug 11059
19:31:41 <tmb> the nvidia thing happends if nonfree updates_testing is not available during update
19:31:57 <Tonyb> I also can't get nvieia working on a laptop
19:32:18 <Tonyb> Just selecting nvidia doesn't work at all
19:32:28 <wilcal> Thanks Tonyb I'm not going nuts
19:32:40 <MrsB> #info possible problems with nvidia mga3 x86_64 can people please check (see bug 11059)
19:32:50 <Zeldas7777> nvidia relies on several packages to work right
19:32:56 <MrsB> I can test that here tomorrow
19:33:10 <wilcal> Yes and I'm not sure if I'm installing them correctly
19:33:15 <wilcal> or there is a real problem
19:33:21 <MrsB> Best way is using MageiaUpdate
19:33:28 <Tonyb> We seem to need a better way of MCC handling dual video heads - recognising where they are present and running a dialog re users choice
19:33:35 <MrsB> make sure you have nonfree updates testing enabled too
19:33:45 <MrsB> and set to allow updates from it
19:33:57 <tmb> yeah, ypu need the x11-driver-video-nvidia* matching the kernel driver to be installed too
19:34:17 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Also make sure nvidia-current-kernel-desktop-latest is installed (replace desktop with kernel version being used)
19:34:59 <wilcal> thks
19:35:12 <MrsB> I think the driver settings are the best place to do that aren't they Tonyb?
19:35:36 <MrsB> you're right though, it would be good to be able to handle it in mcc
19:36:00 <Zeldas7777> for the nvidia drivers to work you have to install nonfree kernel also
19:36:06 <Tonyb> Yes, MrsB, for now
19:36:35 <MrsB> nonfree kernel modules Zeldas7777, not nonfree kernel :)
19:37:46 <DavidWHodgins> I've just finished my tests on m2 x86-64, for the kernel updates. No regressions found. Once I update the bug report, I'll start on the m3 kernels.
19:37:55 <MrsB> Aside from vbox and possibly nvidia, are there any other issues you've noticed?
19:38:05 <DavidWHodgins> Not yet.
19:38:15 <Zeldas7777> auh yes ty MrsB
19:38:16 <Tonyb> just trying nonfree updates on another box now; can't seem to 'tick' the updates box as well as the enabled box; - 'updates' won't take a tick
19:38:21 <wilcal> Most of my testing is in Vbox and other then those two no problems
19:38:43 <MrsB> Tonyb: # edit-urpm-soures.pl --expert
19:38:47 <DavidWHodgins> Tonyb: You have to run "drakrpm-edit-media --expert", to be able to select the updates box
19:38:53 <MrsB> or that
19:38:55 <Tonyb> OK
19:39:19 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Enabling_the_Testing_media
19:39:52 <lewyssmith> Remember to DIsable the 'release' media
19:40:03 <MrsB> no, don't do that
19:40:07 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: What? Why?
19:40:21 <lewyssmith> Is that not standard?
19:40:30 <DavidWHodgins> bug 2317 was solved, so that's not needed anymore.
19:40:31 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317 critical, release_blocker, thierry.vignaud, thierry.vignaud, RESOLVED FIXED, --update option should behave like  --search-media <list of the update media>, rpmdrake-5.26.10-1.mga1.src.rpm
19:40:35 <lewyssmith> It says so in the procedure
19:40:36 <MrsB> no, the release media doesn't have 'Updates' set but should be enabled
19:40:51 <lewyssmith> Agree
19:40:58 <MrsB> it's where all the packages available at the time of release are kept
19:41:18 <lewyssmith> I meant disable release updates
19:41:35 <DavidWHodgins> An update could have a new dependency, on a package that is only in core release, so core release must be enabled.
19:41:39 <MrsB> yep, kind of :)
19:41:40 <dvg> you might edit urpmi.cfg directly if you know what you're doing
19:42:28 <MrsB> Dave said a bad word
19:42:49 <DavidWHodgins> ☺
19:42:51 <dvg> Did not
19:42:58 <MrsB> TBWNWDNM
19:43:05 <DavidWHodgins> The bug we shall not name. :-)
19:43:20 <MrsB> So, is there anything to add here?
19:43:32 <wilcal> Just keep test'n
19:43:37 <MrsB> everybody ok with the testing?
19:43:39 <DavidWHodgins> I should be finished my kernel testing tomorrow
19:43:50 <MrsB> I should be able to start it tomorrow :\
19:44:07 <dvg> MrsB: i thought you meant dependency on core ;)
19:44:09 <DavidWHodgins> Only about 40 reboots yet to do, plus all of the kernel installs.
19:44:21 <MrsB> very yawn-worthy
19:44:38 <Tonyb> Don't know how you do it so productively David!
19:44:42 <wilcal> The long stuff I do when there's sports on TV
19:44:46 <DavidWHodgins> Especially waiting for dkms modules to compile.
19:44:57 <MrsB> he has a super new computer
19:44:58 <DavidWHodgins> Fast computer.
19:44:59 <wilcal> More Baseball tonight
19:45:26 <MrsB> Shall we move on?
19:45:28 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup
19:45:30 <wilcal> Yes
19:45:32 <MrsB> guess so :D
19:45:36 <MrsB> thanks :)
19:45:40 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:45:44 <MrsB> Luigi12: ping!
19:45:45 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12: ping
19:46:14 <wilcal> Lots o Luigi stuff went though testing this last week
19:46:35 * MrsB looks at sec updates
19:47:01 <MrsB> #info apart from the mass of kernels and glics there are a few sec updates too
19:47:13 <MrsB> hmm glibc's
19:47:51 <MrsB> #info dropbear, icu and xorg-x11-server
19:47:51 <DavidWHodgins> The glibc is being held till the kernel updates are validated, so they can be pushed at the same time.
19:48:10 <DavidWHodgins> People will only have to reboot once, that way.
19:48:18 <dvg> You said 40?
19:48:29 <MrsB> dropbear is easy, there are details on the bug itself as it was already tested once and then updated again
19:49:08 <wilcal> I've been updateing and testing both at the same time
19:49:25 <MrsB> icu procedure is here https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3942#c3
19:49:26 <DavidWHodgins> dvg, I install all of the available kernels, boot each one, to see if dkms modules will load, then install the updates, and boot each kernel again.
19:49:27 <[mbot> Bug 3942: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, RESOLVED FIXED, icu is missing a security update for CVE-2011-4599, icu-4.4.2-2.mga1.src.rpm
19:49:51 <dvg> DWH: I know, I was trying to be funny, sorry
19:49:58 <MrsB> x11 there may be a PoC, there often is
19:50:26 <MrsB> Are you back Luigi12?
19:50:27 <Luigi12> 2317, I mean boo
19:50:31 <MrsB> ahaa wb :)
19:50:43 <Luigi12> yeah, who knows for how long, my internet connection just keeps getting more and more unreliable by the day
19:50:56 <MrsB> flakeynet ad treegazer says
19:50:59 <MrsB> as*
19:51:37 <MrsB> I was just doing an inferior quality roundup
19:51:42 <Luigi12> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates  so I see wilcal has already tested x11-server, so we should be good there unless there's a PoC out there
19:51:44 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
19:51:58 <Luigi12> dropbear is ready for testing again.  Should be easy, MrsB tested it pretty quickly last time.
19:52:01 <wilcal> Yep, looked ok
19:52:17 <MrsB> dropbear is easy, yeah
19:53:42 <Luigi12> we also have icu, a library for unicode, primarily used by LibreOffice, also used by Qt and WebKit
19:54:07 <MrsB> #info icu is a library for unicode, primarily used by LibreOffice, also used by Qt and WebKit
19:54:08 <Luigi12> the security issue there was also just fixed in the bundled icu in the chromium update we shipped right before the meeting started
19:55:01 <wilcal> If Libreoffice works icu is ok?
19:55:19 <Luigi12> philippem is still working on obsoleting python-oauth2 by updating python-twitter and twixer, and oden is preparing an update for polarssl
19:55:33 <Luigi12> wilcal: most likely, try playing with some Unicode characters in it
19:55:41 <wilcal> k
19:55:45 <Luigi12> I'd like to direct everyone's attention to https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11370
19:55:46 <[mbot> Bug 11370: normal, Normal, bugsquad, bugsquad, NEW , Firefox ESR 17 EOL
19:56:18 <MrsB> Be aware though that we need to test the update from the current version to the final update version too
19:56:37 <Luigi12> not "assigned" to QA because we won't ship the current FF/TB versions in testing, but they are the first builds for 24esr for mga2/mga3, so we need to test them to make sure any issues are worked out before they are updated again, when we will need to ship them
19:56:54 <Luigi12> the rootcerts and sqlite3 there will likely ship as they are now in updates_testing
19:57:08 <Luigi12> the nspr and nss may ship as well, or they might be updated again when FF/TB are, not sure yet
19:57:45 <Luigi12> any questions?
19:57:48 <DavidWHodgins> If there is no security update for it before M2 goes eol, we should probably push it as is.
19:58:00 <MrsB> good point dave
19:58:05 <Luigi12> yeah
19:58:11 <DavidWHodgins> Provided we don't find any problems with it, that is.
19:58:25 <Luigi12> oden will be happy
19:58:32 <MrsB> when is that, do you knw off the top of your head?
19:58:46 <DavidWHodgins> Nov 22nd
19:58:48 <MrsB> November sometime i think
19:58:50 <MrsB> ahh good
19:59:09 * Luigi12 thinks we shouldn't EOL in the middle of a month
19:59:17 * MrsB is all for it
19:59:23 <Luigi12> lol
19:59:25 <MrsB> beginning would be good too
19:59:30 <DavidWHodgins> It was released in the middle of the month.
19:59:31 <MrsB> or end of october
20:00:00 <MrsB> i'll add an info
20:00:03 <DavidWHodgins> I still have three friends and family members systems to upgrade. :-)
20:00:12 <Luigi12> soon as I get my servers at work upgraded, I'm ready to EOL it, but I have to actually go back to work first
20:00:34 <DavidWHodgins> The shutdown is over, so when do you go back?
20:00:38 <MrsB> #info If FF doesn't reach final version before mga2 reaches EOL we should ship it to mga2 as-is
20:00:47 <wilcal> Crazies in DC finally got off their behinds yesterday
20:00:51 <Luigi12> DavidWHodgins: not until the next batch of money for our contract is approved
20:00:52 <MrsB> #info November 22nd
20:01:06 <Luigi12> DavidWHodgins: from what I'm hearing, no later than October 28th.  Whether we'll go back sometime next week, I don't know yet.
20:01:27 <wilcal> You are supposed to get your back pay too
20:01:29 <MrsB> and then off again in february isn't it?
20:01:39 <wilcal> Won't happen again I think
20:01:40 <Luigi12> wilcal: I'm not a gov't employee, just a contractor, so I get no money
20:01:50 <wilcal> oooOOOOoOoOoo
20:02:12 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:02:18 <MrsB> Thanks Luigi12
20:02:19 <leuhmanu> (as you speak about mga2 eol, I will ping all bugs this week like for mga1)
20:02:21 <lewyssmith> wilcal: It *will* happen again, et seq
20:02:21 <wilcal> I'm done
20:02:27 <MrsB> good idea leuhmanu
20:02:28 <Luigi12> if anyone is using Quassel, do make sure you install the update that just got pushed
20:02:43 <Tonyb> My current hobbyhorse; were do we stand re getting UEFI install running for M4?
20:02:51 <wilcal> I've a question for David after
20:03:00 <MrsB> Sooo, is there anything else?
20:03:02 <leuhmanu> (so if you want to update your bugs and not become anoying from me feel free to check if it's still exist in mag3 or cauldron)
20:03:05 <MrsB> looks like there is :)
20:03:19 <lewyssmith> Tonyb: It seems to depend on someone who is otherwise hard pressed
20:03:23 <MrsB> #info leuhmanu will ping mga2 bugs this week
20:03:36 <DavidWHodgins> Tonyb: It needs work in the installer, but as far as I know, that hasn't been touched for efi since m3 was in testing.
20:03:39 <MrsB> Do we need a topic? who's first?
20:03:42 <lewyssmith> Tonyb: It is not a commitment
20:03:58 <MrsB> would be nice though
20:04:12 <MrsB> tmb any idea on that?
20:04:13 <lewyssmith> Necessary for some of us
20:04:21 <Luigi12> once we get the last batch of security updates validated, if anyone wants to get a jump on testing Cauldron (including upgrades from mga3), it'd be great :o)
20:04:38 <MrsB> we have plenty to go at thanks Luigi12 :P
20:04:38 <Tonyb> Seems that without it, no installs on current new hardware are at all easy, and beyond anyone not experienced
20:04:42 <Luigi12> heh :D
20:05:09 <MrsB> have you tried the new kernels yet Luigi12?
20:05:14 <DavidWHodgins> Very few people currently have efi systems though.
20:05:16 <lewyssmith> Tonyb: Mageia is not alone
20:05:33 <DavidWHodgins> Among the developers, or testers.
20:05:43 <Tonyb> Pity if M4 just won't install on new hardware out-of-the-box.  It all comes with MS-W8 preinstalled these days
20:05:54 <lewyssmith> Alas
20:06:08 <DavidWHodgins> Mine can, but only by going into the bios setup first. Otherwise it will only boot legacy bios mode.
20:06:28 <DavidWHodgins> I cannot set it to default to an efi boot.
20:06:32 <MrsB> support for secure boot isn't even in the planning stages yet. Uefi is different though and would be nice to get working properly
20:06:50 <Tonyb> My new ASUS laptop just won't - think there must be something odd in the legacy support.
20:06:51 <lewyssmith> As Tony says, necessary for new h/w
20:07:06 <dvg> i always buy hardware w/o any o/s. less pricy and easier to set up
20:07:08 <Luigi12> MrsB: going to very soon
20:07:08 <Luigi12> either today or tomorrow
20:07:17 <DavidWHodgins> M3 got close. Only problem was with the installer on the live cds not allowing the selecting of grub2-efi.
20:08:14 <MrsB> #info questions raised about efi support, will it be supported in mga4?
20:08:18 <DavidWHodgins> In the testing of m3, I once managed to get a working efi boot.
20:08:57 <MrsB> anything else else?
20:09:11 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here.
20:09:11 <wilcal> Not here
20:09:14 <lewyssmith> No
20:09:18 <Tonyb> not from me
20:09:28 <MrsB> #action MrsB remember to reply to roelof after the meeting
20:09:44 <MrsB> ok lets wrap it up then
20:10:01 <lewyssmith> 'Bye
20:10:04 <MrsB> Thankyou all for coming, same time next week!
20:10:11 <MrsB> wow that was quick
20:10:13 <dvg> cheers
20:10:13 <MrsB> ok
20:10:16 <MrsB> 5
20:10:16 <Tonyb> Thanks.  Pleased L getting job back!
20:10:17 <MrsB> 4
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20:10:22 <MrsB> 1
20:10:25 <MrsB> #endmeeting