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19:03:04 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Aug 29 19:03:04 2013 UTC.  The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:03:19 <MrsB> Welcome everybody to anohter QA meeting
19:03:23 <sebsebseb> we got a idler at least for this meeting :d  maybe can get her to join QA though :d
19:03:28 <MrsB> as you can see it's typo day again
19:03:41 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins
19:03:41 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB
19:03:42 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new?
19:03:47 <MrsB> thankyou :)
19:04:00 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today?
19:04:05 <sebsebseb> only a idler :d
19:04:19 <MrsB> idlers are welcome, but new to QA i mean
19:04:29 <sebsebseb> no don't think so
19:04:32 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Some news bits in alpha 2
19:04:42 <marja> \o/
19:04:46 <MrsB> quick meeting tonight :D
19:04:51 <sebsebseb> the welcome screen :d
19:04:56 <sebsebseb> not seen that yet
19:05:11 <wilcal> Cauldron looks pretty good here
19:05:12 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Independently_install_desktop_environments
19:05:29 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:MageiaWelcome
19:05:45 <MrsB> Both these should hopefully be part of alpha2
19:05:48 * Led43_mag3 here lurking & on phone
19:06:24 <wilcal> That should be an interesting feature
19:06:29 <marja> sebsebseb: you can now install it in cauldron... the package name is mageiawelcome
19:06:40 <sebsebseb> marja: yeah I saw your email to doc saying that :d
19:06:43 <MrsB> The first builds of alpha 2 are due sometime in the next couple of days
19:06:53 <sebsebseb> that should be a interesitng and useful feature :)
19:07:01 <sebsebseb> espeically since doing a install fest next year with the LUG :)
19:07:02 <MrsB> our list is still a mile long :(
19:07:10 <sebsebseb> and this guy was saying stuff at hte last meeting about a welcome screen in some distros etc basically :)
19:07:50 <MrsB> #info people are excited to see the new features
19:08:00 <sebsebseb> well not seen it yet, but sure to the  #info :d
19:08:28 <MrsB> is everybody ready for the ISO madness to begin again?
19:08:50 <lewyssmith> Not yet, but soon hopefully
19:08:51 <DavidWHodgins> Getting better, so should be ready.
19:09:03 <sebsebseb> uh kind of, just need to add myself back on the ISO testers list, so I can help test alpha   2 :)  in vm's at least,  and well probably put on the netbook as well
19:09:09 <MrsB> everything ok lewis?
19:09:14 <marja> i'll help again when needed
19:09:16 <wilcal> Alphax's are always fun
19:09:30 <lewyssmith> Yes; nut building my staircase has taken all my time - the end at least in sight
19:09:33 <sebsebseb> and  may use that old computer being given free with something else, for ISO testing to or something,  depends
19:09:44 <MrsB> i hope the end is the top bit :D
19:10:04 <lewyssmith> Thatw as most of the work: a turn
19:10:07 <wilcal> I've some old boxes I use here to test
19:10:23 <MrsB> old boxes are ideal, new boxes too though
19:10:51 <MrsB> Oh FYI neoclust is putting together a wiki page explaining how to test RAID in vbox for us
19:11:01 <lewyssmith> Old boxes can be problematic
19:11:10 <MrsB> whenit's ready it can be linked to our how to do iso testing page
19:11:26 <MrsB> (when that's ready too)
19:11:45 <wilcal> RAID in Vbox sounds interesting
19:11:46 <DavidWHodgins> During mga3 testing, I tested a raid install under vb.
19:12:04 <wilcal> I've some interesting old experiances with RAID going back a couple decades
19:12:17 <lewyssmith> I tinkered with the testing page once, but forgot to save the changes...
19:12:21 <MrsB> I think he has had some issues so getting us to test it for him this time ;)
19:12:53 <MrsB> anybody anything else to add?
19:13:05 <wilcal> Again, software RAID or hardware RAID big difference
19:13:16 <DavidWHodgins> under vb, software raid only.
19:13:20 <MrsB> not sure wilcal, i'm lucky to have one hdd here
19:13:37 <DavidWHodgins> I've never used hardware raid, just software raid.
19:13:41 <lewyssmith> Is h/w raid evident to the OS?
19:13:45 <wilcal> hdd's big ones have gotten sooooo cheap
19:13:56 <MrsB> not cheap enough yet
19:14:14 <wilcal> I've seen nothing but pain with software RAID
19:14:14 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Depends on if it's real hardware raid, or fake hardware raid
19:14:29 <wilcal> Real hardware means a real hdd controller board
19:14:39 <wilcal> most of my experiance is with SCSI drives
19:15:08 <wilcal> RAID is widely used North of me in Tinsletown ( Hollywood )
19:15:30 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Updates testing
19:15:31 <MrsB> smash and grab style raid :)
19:15:38 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:15:44 <MrsB> thanks dave
19:15:54 <MrsB> Soooo guys.. where have you all been?
19:16:07 <DavidWHodgins> Sleeping, mostly. :-)
19:16:10 <wilcal> I continue to help as best I can
19:16:20 <lewyssmith> Building my staircase
19:16:31 <wilcal> You'll notice I've been creating kind of a method
19:16:43 <wilcal> Not all update testing works well with it
19:16:48 <MrsB> we really need to get stuck in to these in the next day or so or we will be buried by the time the isos are released
19:17:11 <DavidWHodgins> I'll be testing 389-ds-base right after the meeting
19:17:19 <wilcal> The libtiff thing went really fast, too fast i think :-))
19:17:31 <MrsB> great, i didn't know that was rady for us until this morning
19:17:45 <MrsB> can never go too fast wilcal!
19:17:48 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Simple libs like that, that we've tested many times before ususally do go pretty fast.
19:18:00 * Led43_mag3 caught up. could put together a hardware raid tesing rig on an old box here using one of many scsi
19:18:05 <MrsB> I have a script i use to test that actually, remind me to put it on the wiki
19:18:14 <wilcal> I do tend to follow David. I may not leave a comment in the BUG but I try to duplicate what he's doing
19:18:28 <MrsB> #action MrsB to put libtiff script on the wiki page
19:18:45 <wilcal> If it makes sense to commet or second what David does I do so
19:18:47 <rindolf> Bye all - I'm going to sleep.
19:18:49 <MrsB> that's a good way to learn wilcal
19:18:54 <MrsB> nite rindolf
19:18:59 <rindolf> MrsB: good night.
19:19:00 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Sure
19:19:08 <DavidWHodgins> rindolf: Have a good night.
19:19:19 <wilcal> Nite rindolf
19:19:33 <MrsB> Most of the bugs have a procedure at the moment so please everybody have a go at them
19:19:47 <MrsB> we can't allow the list to get out of control
19:20:33 <MrsB> if there is anything you need when doing so please just yell or send email to qa-discuss or something
19:20:54 <MrsB> remember, we don't believe in silly questions
19:21:15 <lewyssmith> qa-discuss has been supiciously quiet lately
19:21:25 <MrsB> QA has been quiet lately :(
19:21:31 <wilcal> Wait'n for M4A2
19:21:53 <MrsB> we can't sit back though. ISO testing is only one small part of our duties
19:22:00 <wilcal> That gonna get up there before end of day Sat?
19:22:03 * MrsB nag nag nag
19:22:11 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:22:25 <MrsB> I'm not sure when exactly, I'd guess the weekend sometime though
19:22:37 <MrsB> t_m_b: hi, what are your plans for alpha2?
19:23:01 <t_m_b> Hi, I will build first set of live isos tomorrow
19:23:11 <MrsB> there we have it then, tomorrow :)
19:23:13 <MrsB> thanks
19:23:14 <t_m_b> and ennael is already doing some tests
19:23:22 <wilcal> So by EOD Friday UK time
19:23:23 <MrsB> so less time than i thought
19:24:14 <MrsB> if everyone does just one update we'd clear the list nearly by tomorrow
19:24:34 <spiky> i would if i could
19:24:44 <MrsB> mmm still no joy spiky?
19:24:55 <MrsB> have you tried something else, is it just that one?
19:25:06 <swecarp> i will try to do the kde update test in vb on a 64
19:25:17 <spiky> just thought I would get that fixed
19:25:23 <MrsB> well done swecarp
19:25:37 <lewyssmith> spiky: What?
19:25:42 <MrsB> did you create a bug?
19:25:42 <DavidWHodgins> spiky: Which bug is giving the problem?
19:25:52 <MrsB> he's having issues with urpmi
19:25:56 <swecarp> but i migth nead some guiding fore the pacaakges that are neaded
19:26:14 <spiky> bug 11107
19:26:15 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11107 normal, Normal, bugsquad, bugsquad, NEW , Gnome-panel-3.6.2-2.1.mga3.i586.rpm not avalible from Core Update testing, gnome-panel-3.6.2-2.1.mga3.i586.rpm
19:26:20 <Luigi12> DavidWHodgins: 389-ds-base is assigned back to Thomas, new security issue fixed by RH today
19:26:26 <DavidWHodgins> swecarp: There's a list attached to the bug report
19:26:34 <MrsB> medias enabled & updated, mirror up to date and can download the package in a browser but urpmi doesn't see the update
19:26:36 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12: Ah. Ok. thanks.
19:27:40 <DavidWHodgins> spiky: Try (as root) "urpmi --clean"
19:27:46 <swecarp> iwe seen that will try to get it donne
19:28:15 <wilcal> Here's some code I use to update local db
19:28:23 <wilcal> clear
19:28:25 <wilcal> rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db*
19:28:26 <wilcal> rm -f /var/lib/rpm/.rpm.lock
19:28:28 <wilcal> rpm --rebuilddb
19:28:29 <wilcal> urpmi.update -a
19:28:31 <wilcal> rpm -q rpm
19:28:32 <wilcal> sleep 10
19:28:34 <wilcal> exit
19:28:35 <wilcal> exit
19:28:37 <wilcal> in an su terminal
19:29:12 <MrsB> spiky you should compress that filder and attach it to the bug report too
19:29:16 <MrsB> folder
19:30:05 <MrsB> anyway, is everybody (apart from spiy maybe) going to tackle at least one update please?
19:30:13 <DavidWHodgins> Yep
19:30:28 <lewyssmith> Sorry, not yet
19:30:37 <DavidWHodgins> I'll add a comment in the bug report, before I start testing it.
19:30:49 <MrsB> that one is all yours :P
19:31:20 <MrsB> any questions while we're here?
19:31:38 <wilcal> I'll keep poke'n at em
19:31:43 <MrsB> thanks wilcal
19:31:54 <MrsB> david_david: you too?
19:32:21 * MrsB looks who else
19:32:24 <david_david> hello, yep MrsB
19:32:30 <MrsB> thankyou :)
19:32:51 <MrsB> ok let's move on then, I think you're all properly nagged now :)
19:32:57 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup
19:32:59 * Led43_mag3 has a funeral, but will try after if upto it
19:33:19 <MrsB> Luigi12: ping?
19:33:33 <MrsB> hmm he's usually _work
19:33:55 <Luigi12> bo
19:33:59 <wilcal> Good mix of security updates coming through
19:33:59 <MrsB> oh hi
19:34:07 <Luigi12> stupid 'o' key...doesn't work half the time :o(
19:34:17 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:34:18 <MrsB> was just getting ready for an inferior roundup
19:34:18 * swecarp runs and hide hes scared uf Luigi12
19:34:44 <Luigi12> yep, I'm at home today
19:35:00 <MrsB> makes a nice change
19:35:05 <Luigi12> yep
19:35:11 <Luigi12> dlucio commented on the freeswitch
19:35:28 <wilcal> I work from home all the time now, I'm retired :-))
19:35:34 <Luigi12> he's running it in production at work, so was perplexed by the error you found, but hopefully that'll get tracked down
19:36:02 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12: Which error, with what?
19:36:02 <Luigi12> roundcubemail is ready, but hopefully coincoin will rebuild it with the INSTALL file included, so don't rush too much on that just yet
19:36:18 <MrsB> when things are already nicely set up and configured it's easy not to notice they don't work when freshly installed i guess
19:36:25 <Luigi12> DavidWHodgins: freeswitch https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10743#c15
19:36:26 <DavidWHodgins> I'll go ahead and see if I can recreate the poc
19:36:26 <[mbot> Bug 10743: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , freeswitch new security issue CVE-2013-2238, freeswitch-1.2.8-1.mga3.src.rpm
19:36:56 <Luigi12> I don't know how serious the asterisk issues are just yet.  And how nice that we have both asterisk and freeswitch in testing right now......
19:37:06 <MrsB> and php and kde :\
19:37:21 <MrsB> well php is done now
19:37:58 <DavidWHodgins> For kde, I think we should try and get that done by tomorrow night, before the iso images are out.
19:38:10 <Luigi12> yep, don't forget that KDE fixes a few security bugs, even though it's not marked as such in bugzilla
19:38:15 <MrsB> yes I agree, but more than just that one please ;)
19:38:15 <Luigi12> DavidWHodgins: agreed
19:38:24 <DavidWHodgins> I haven't been able to recreate the crashes I was having last week
19:38:31 <MrsB> that's good
19:38:36 <MrsB> maybe just needde a reboot
19:38:51 <Luigi12> as far as what's on the horizon, there's an nmap security issue waiting for someone to do something about it :o)
19:38:54 <MrsB> i haven't looked at kde yet, been trying to keep on top of the sec updates
19:38:55 <wilcal> This KDE
19:38:57 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10600
19:38:58 <[mbot> Bug 10600: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , Update candidate for Mageia 3 : KDE 4.10.5, KDE
19:39:04 <Luigi12> tmb is working on a update for glibc with some security issues with that
19:39:33 <Luigi12> chromium-browser-stable needs another update, but this is to a new major version (29), so I'm waiting for help on that (like waiting for your ship to come in....)
19:39:38 <MrsB> #info roundcubemail may be rebuilt with some bugfixes so don't rush too much
19:40:01 <MrsB> #info we'll try and finish kde by the weekend
19:40:20 <wilcal> Is the KDE thing as easy as urpmi kde
19:40:36 <wilcal> or MCC: kde
19:40:48 <MrsB> #info nmap and glibc in the pipeline and chromium-browser again soon
19:41:06 <MrsB> no, there's a big list of packages attached to the bug wilcal
19:41:28 <wilcal> Ya I saw that. You have to individually urpmi all of them?
19:41:28 <MrsB> it's easiest to use mageiaupdate or do something clever with urpmi from the list
19:41:58 <wilcal> I wish there was a task-kde thing or something for that
19:42:12 <MrsB> there is but it'll just say they are already installed
19:42:31 <Luigi12> yeah since it doesn't have hard versioned requires, plus even then it doesn't require *all* of the packages
19:42:35 <MrsB> I usually use MageiaUpdate
19:42:43 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: There is, and if installed already, once the testing repos are enabled, urpmi --auto-update will install the updates
19:43:00 <Luigi12> including ones in updates_testing not necessarily ready for testing
19:43:11 <MrsB> yeah but it'll also install everything else from Testing so please don't do that :D
19:43:14 <wilcal> I'll give that a go after this qa meeting
19:43:45 <wilcal> If it don't crash maybe I'll just comment that
19:43:45 <MrsB> cherrypick them from MageiaUpdate is the best way imho
19:44:15 * t_m_b will start pushing kernel-3.10.10+ & co will be rolling into mga3 updates_testing ~this weekend to start some initial upgrade tests...
19:44:38 <lewyssmith> Remember that tip about *sorting* the big pkg list to aid comparison with the MCC list
19:44:40 <MrsB> t_m_b: no rush, we're a bit buried since packagers returned from their holidays
19:45:09 <DavidWHodgins> t_m_b: You're going to be busy, with both live iso images and kernel images to build.
19:45:12 <wilcal> So that' why the big surge of updates
19:45:24 <Luigi12> t_m_b: will glibc come with the kernel?  It's nice to do both at once so that we don't have to reboot twice :o)
19:45:26 <t_m_b> MrsB: yeah, I wont assign it to QA directly, as we still miss official fglrx and nvidia173
19:45:28 <MrsB> yeah i think so. We had the list clear last week :(
19:45:43 <MrsB> oh ok thats fine t_m_b thanks
19:46:03 <MrsB> Is there anythign else for the roundup?
19:46:07 <Luigi12> nope
19:46:10 <MrsB> anybody anything they'd like to ask
19:46:18 <wilcal> I'm good
19:46:29 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
19:46:33 <MrsB> thanks
19:46:36 <MrsB> Soooooo
19:46:42 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
19:46:46 <DavidWHodgins> Not here.
19:46:50 <sebsebseb> Anything else, nope not really not as such, except for how I won't be here next week I expect, since my  speaking group starts again :)
19:46:51 <wilcal> I'm done
19:47:03 <wilcal> Speak well
19:47:10 <MrsB> #info sebsebseb won't be here next week, he'll be talking
19:47:20 <Luigi12> he's always talking
19:47:24 <MrsB> :D
19:47:26 <sebsebseb> Public speaking group
19:47:26 <diogenese> :)
19:47:27 <sebsebseb> :)
19:47:34 <sebsebseb> learn how to do it proelry ,get evaulted, etc etc :)
19:47:41 <MrsB> Anything else else?
19:47:44 <wilcal> A tradition in the states is to throw vegitables at a bad speaker
19:47:47 <Led43_mag3> not here
19:47:48 <sebsebseb> proper and evaluated above
19:47:55 <MrsB> 5
19:47:56 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here.
19:47:57 <MrsB> 4
19:47:59 <Luigi12> wilcal: and trouts on IRC
19:47:59 <MrsB> 3
19:48:01 <MrsB> 2
19:48:03 <MrsB> 1
19:48:08 <MrsB> Thankyou allf or coming!
19:48:13 <MrsB> Please do the updates :)
19:48:19 <MrsB> Same time next week
19:48:22 <MrsB> #endmeeting