19:06:21 <MrsB> #startmeeting 19:06:21 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Thu Aug 22 19:06:21 2013 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:06:21 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:06:47 <MrsB> Morning everyone welcome to another QA party.. erm meeting :) 19:06:56 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins 19:06:56 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB 19:06:58 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? 19:07:01 <MrsB> tah 19:07:08 <MrsB> IS anybody new today? 19:07:27 <MrsB> don't think so 19:07:30 <DavidWHodgins> #topic More DDG, kind of... 19:07:35 <MrsB> that was quick :) 19:07:40 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 19:07:56 <MrsB> Soo, you remember how duckduckgo havd some money for us 19:08:08 <wilcal> Yep 5 Euros or so 19:08:12 <MrsB> well it turns out they miscalculated 19:08:42 <MrsB> they originally said ... Mageia split is 25% = $5.72 19:08:50 <MrsB> when actually it's not ! 19:09:21 <wilcal> And the new number is.............. 19:09:24 <MrsB> Revenue on this traffic: $15.93 19:09:25 <MrsB> Mageia split is 25% = $3.98 19:09:27 <MrsB> Total outstanding = $10.84 19:09:35 <MrsB> sorry i had to find the email 19:09:44 <wilcal> Such a deal 19:09:48 <lewyssmith> Solvency, then 19:09:55 <MrsB> yeah, so alot more less 19:10:34 <MrsB> does anybody use DDg search? 19:10:41 <lewyssmith> Not me 19:10:46 <DavidWHodgins> Yep 19:11:06 <MrsB> if you want to start you should find it's already in your browser and you just need to select it 19:11:10 <swecarp> not me 19:11:19 <wilcal> I'm tied into Google and headed for Chromecast 19:11:40 <MrsB> it's only the search 19:11:53 * netSys is back 19:11:54 <DavidWHodgins> And when using it, make sure the search url ends with "&t=mageia" 19:12:02 <MrsB> wb netSys 19:12:47 <netSys> ty MrsB 19:13:00 <MrsB> are you joining the QA team netSys? 19:13:05 <MrsB> i meant to ask you before 19:14:06 <netSys> I saw on Mageia installer, when I try to create partition you have to put a partition space with scroll. Could be add put numerical way too? 19:14:41 <MrsB> create a bug for that netSys, it may be possible 19:14:42 <DavidWHodgins> netSys: That's available in the advanced mode 19:14:51 <MrsB> ahh Dave knows 19:14:52 <netSys> MrsB: I would like it, I've subscribed on mailing list of qa-discussing 19:15:01 <MrsB> oh great \o/ 19:15:07 <netSys> hehe :D 19:15:13 <MrsB> In that acse you just did join :) 19:15:14 <DavidWHodgins> netSys: Where are you from? 19:15:18 <MrsB> case* 19:15:30 <netSys> oh DavidWHodgins, that's good! ^^ 19:15:33 <DavidWHodgins> I'm Dave Hodgins from London, Ontario, Canada. 19:15:34 <netSys> DavidWHodgins: Spain 19:15:40 <MrsB> Welcome to the team! 19:15:54 <netSys> thank you MrsB! :D 19:15:56 <MrsB> Say a few words to introduce yourself netsys adn everybody else will do the same 19:16:15 <MrsB> I'm Claire, based in the UK, team leader for now :) 19:16:33 <netSys> I just trying alpha of Mageia 4, but GRUB theme saw "Boot from Mageia 3" hehe, I suppose theme and this will be change before release of coure hehe 19:16:34 <sebsebseb> hi 19:16:36 <sebsebseb> I am from ENgalnd 19:16:43 <sebsebseb> and oh netSys is in here :d 19:16:45 <netSys> oh ok MrsB 19:16:53 <sebsebseb> netSys: your going to join QA? 19:16:53 <wilcal> William ( wilcal ) William in California, San Diego ( Surf City USA ) 19:17:13 <lewyssmith> Lewis in France 19:17:26 <swecarp> is in sweden 19:17:39 <netSys> sebsebseb: yes ^^ I don't have a lot of knowledge about that, only bug report or something else, but I can learn more 19:17:53 <sebsebseb> ok :) 19:18:19 <netSys> I'm Spain, was born on Jerez de la Frontera, but I'm living on Lanzarote, Canary Islands 19:18:38 <wilcal> Canary Islands ( Paradise ) 19:18:39 <netSys> I'm very friendly 19:18:44 <MrsB> he is 19:18:59 <MrsB> what is your name netSys so we know you on bugzilla etc 19:19:22 <netSys> Álvaro Castillo MrsB, I'm glad to join on this great community :D 19:19:43 <MrsB> well, we're very pleased that you chose to be a part of it too 19:20:25 <MrsB> We don't believe in silly questions here so if there anything at all you want to ask, please don't hesitate to do so 19:20:42 <MrsB> did you find our wik pages? 19:20:45 <MrsB> wiki* 19:21:42 <netSys> MrsB: ok, Do Mageia have a ambassador team or something like? 19:21:48 <MrsB> #info Welcome to the QA team netSys (Álvaro) 19:22:02 <netSys> yes hehe 19:22:13 <MrsB> we have Atelier which is a mixture of marketting and communication, websites and artwork 19:23:03 <netSys> oh, and I have to know how to creates webpages and do artwork to join on it? 19:23:05 <MrsB> Atelier is french for workshop IINM 19:23:40 <MrsB> not at all netSys, anything you can do will be welcomed 19:24:02 <netSys> sounds good 19:24:08 <MrsB> there is also a forums team so feel free to help out there 19:24:24 <wilcal> Just running the Alpha/Beta Live-CD/DVD's on your computer helps lots 19:24:43 <MrsB> At the moment though we're doing QA so let's say Hi and thanks and chat more later :) 19:25:10 <netSys> ok, hehe, thanks a lot MrsB 19:25:19 <MrsB> let's move on then 19:25:20 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Reminder, alpha 2 is only about a week away. 19:25:26 <MrsB> thankyou dave 19:26:02 <wilcal> So we should see that late next week 19:26:08 <MrsB> So yes, Alpha 2 is due for release on September err 6th I think, so we can expect to get it around the start of the month 19:26:23 <DavidWHodgins> netSys: If you would like to help testing the next iso images, before they are released to the public, add you name and email address to https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_ISO_testers 19:26:34 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_4_Development 19:26:39 <DavidWHodgins> s /you/your/ :-) 19:26:57 <MrsB> Are we ready for them? 19:27:00 * netSys is adding on it :D 19:27:02 <wilcal> yep 19:27:10 <wilcal> FWIW/IMO 19:27:12 <wilcal> The Goldfish MMIO error thing during boot up and shut down is 19:27:13 <wilcal> really pretty bad. So if it's still there in M4A2 I'm gonna 19:27:14 <MrsB> we still have to finish the wiki page, I've not had time to look at it yet 19:27:15 <wilcal> open a bug over it. We gotta sweep that under the rug during 19:27:16 <wilcal> boot up somehow. 19:27:41 <MrsB> yes please do open a bug if there isn't one wilcal 19:27:46 <DavidWHodgins> I think so. List of updates waiting for testing is fairly small, and should be easy to clear by then assuming we don't get another flood of updates. 19:28:02 <wilcal> OK to do now before M4A2? 19:28:10 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Yes 19:28:18 <wilcal> Will do after this is done 19:28:44 <MrsB> i hope the update floods are finished for now 19:28:56 <wilcal> I see a couple in there I can contribute to also 19:29:05 <MrsB> they might start again once everybody gets back from their holidays though i suppose 19:29:09 <wilcal> Question on updates 19:29:19 <MrsB> updates next wilcal 19:29:19 <DavidWHodgins> The kde update will take a fair amount of testing, when it's ready. 19:29:38 <MrsB> shall we do them now? 19:29:48 <MrsB> lets move on and talk updates instead 19:29:48 <lewyssmith> Yes 19:29:50 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates, how's it going? 19:29:55 <MrsB> thanks 19:30:02 <MrsB> go wilcal 19:30:02 <Luigi12_work> AFAIK the KDE update is ready to test, just the advisiory is WIP 19:30:03 <wilcal> I see a bazillion files in updates_testing for KDE 19:30:19 <wilcal> Noise in the terminal. When launching an app in a terminal how much 19:30:20 <wilcal> "noise" would we accept as normal. Reports, errors, messages???? 19:30:21 <DavidWHodgins> :-) Yep 19:30:22 <wilcal> Launching app from a destop launcher it works just fine. 19:30:25 <MrsB> more like a gigabazillion 19:30:36 <DavidWHodgins> lol 19:30:57 <lewyssmith> I had a problem re bug 11019 (puppet) in that I could not - cannot - see the Updated packages in core/updates_testing: 19:31:09 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11019 major, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , puppet new security issues CVE-2013-4761 and CVE-2013-4956, puppet 19:31:20 <lewyssmith> So I was unable to try it. 19:31:21 <wilcal> noise like we saw in the terminology updates 19:31:44 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: For which release/arch? 19:31:46 <MrsB> wilcal, it's fairly normal to see gtk warning messages but the likes of terminology was obviosuly an error so you did right to bring that up 19:32:12 <wilcal> It needed to be a seperate update from the original bug 19:32:37 <lewyssmith> Dave: Mageia3 i586 19:33:02 <MrsB> It didn't need to technically, you can always ask in the original bug report and let the packager say they would rather have another bug report 19:33:36 <MrsB> some are more responsive than others and you'll get used to when you need to create a new bug and not bother asking. trem was very good though. 19:33:45 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: They're in updates testing on my local repo, which is synced from kernel.org 19:33:45 <wilcal> I could create an endless bug for LibreOffice 19:33:51 <DavidWHodgins> Which mirror are you using? 19:34:06 <lewyssmith> No idea... 19:34:17 <DavidWHodgins> urpmq --list-url 19:34:21 <lewyssmith> But I see loads of other updates 19:34:32 <MrsB> you probably haven't set the testing medias as update medias lewis, either that or you need to update the medias 19:34:45 <MrsB> urpmi.update -a 19:34:52 <MrsB> when you have it enabled 19:35:00 <lewyssmith> http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/3/i586/media/core/updates_testing 19:35:43 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Claire, I am neurotic about setting the repos correctly & enabling them 19:35:43 <MrsB> morning tmb 19:36:22 <DavidWHodgins> Or "urpmi.update a", which will update all repos, enabled or not. 19:36:27 <MrsB> ok, if everything is set correctly and enabled then updating the package list it knows about should show it 19:36:37 <MrsB> as above 19:36:43 <DavidWHodgins> That works because all of our repos have an "a" somewhere in the name. 19:36:49 <lewyssmith> # urpmi.update --no-ignore "Core Updates Testing" 19:36:56 <tmb> MrsB: morning 19:37:09 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: puppet is there 19:37:26 <MrsB> That enables it, then update the package list in there with .. urpmi.update "Core Updates Testing" 19:37:31 <lewyssmith> I will try the -a thingy 19:37:57 <MrsB> if you use the aliases in the Hints and Tips page it becomes alot easier, ecupdt, cupdt 19:38:34 <DavidWHodgins> Hi tmb. How are you feeling? 19:38:47 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Tips_and_Tricks 19:39:33 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Claire, I find the raw commands fine 19:39:44 <MrsB> whatever you're comfortable with 19:40:03 <MrsB> you can also do it through the GUI, in the file menu 19:40:31 <tmb> DavidWHodgins: hi, very well, getting more strength and energy as days go by... 19:40:33 <MrsB> if you use MageiaUpdate it automatically updates the package lists before it checks for new updates 19:40:50 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Glad to hear it. 19:41:11 <lewyssmith> Still no puppet. first time this has happened to me. But the bug has already been dealt with. 19:42:08 <DavidWHodgins> http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/3/i586/media/core/updates_testing/puppet-2.7.23-1.mga3.noarch.rpm 19:42:17 <DavidWHodgins> It's definitely there. 19:42:38 <MrsB> does this command show Core Updates Testing .. urpmq --list-media update 19:42:57 <lewyssmith> I *believe* you Dave; just that I cannot see it. 19:43:36 <lewyssmith> urpmq --list-media update 19:43:36 <lewyssmith> Core Updates 19:43:36 <lewyssmith> Core Updates Testing 19:43:36 <lewyssmith> Nonfree Updates 19:43:36 <lewyssmith> Nonfree Updates Testing 19:43:37 <lewyssmith> Tainted Updates 19:43:39 <lewyssmith> Tainted Updates Testing 19:43:52 <MrsB> ok, and urpmq --list-media active ? 19:44:23 <lewyssmith> urpmq --list-media active 19:44:24 <lewyssmith> Core Release 19:44:24 <lewyssmith> Nonfree Release 19:44:24 <lewyssmith> Core Backports 19:44:24 <lewyssmith> Core Release2 19:44:24 <lewyssmith> Core Updates 19:44:26 <lewyssmith> Core Updates Testing 19:44:30 <lewyssmith> Nonfree Release2 19:44:32 <MrsB> good so far 19:44:32 <lewyssmith> Nonfree Updates 19:44:34 <lewyssmith> Nonfree Updates Testing 19:44:36 <lewyssmith> Tainted Release 19:44:38 <lewyssmith> Tainted Updates 19:44:40 <lewyssmith> Tainted Updates Testing 19:44:41 <MrsB> now do urpmi.update -a 19:45:06 <lewyssmith> urpmi.update -a 19:45:06 <lewyssmith> cyfrwng "Core Backports" wedi ei ddiweddaru 19:45:06 <lewyssmith> cyfrwng "Core Release2" wedi ei ddiweddaru 19:45:06 <lewyssmith> cyfrwng "Core Updates" wedi ei ddiweddaru 19:45:06 <lewyssmith> cyfrwng "Core Updates Testing" wedi ei ddiweddaru 19:45:07 <lewyssmith> cyfrwng "Nonfree Release2" wedi ei ddiweddaru 19:45:09 <lewyssmith> cyfrwng "Nonfree Updates" wedi ei ddiweddaru 19:45:11 <lewyssmith> cyfrwng "Nonfree Updates Testing" wedi ei ddiweddaru 19:45:13 <lewyssmith> cyfrwng "Tainted Release" wedi ei ddiweddaru 19:45:15 <lewyssmith> cyfrwng "Tainted Updates" wedi ei ddiweddaru 19:45:17 <lewyssmith> cyfrwng "Tainted Updates Testing" wedi ei ddiweddaru 19:45:19 <lewyssmith> = 'updated' 19:45:34 <lewyssmith> BTW this must be boring everyone 19:45:38 <MrsB> now urpmi puppet 19:46:13 <MrsB> you can disable Nonfree Updates Testing and Tainted Updates Testing btw until there is something that needs them 19:46:36 <lewyssmith> urpmi puppet 19:46:36 <lewyssmith> I fodloni dibyniaethau, bydd y pecyn canlynol yn cael ei osod 19:46:36 <lewyssmith> Pecyn Fersiwn Ryddhad Arch 19:46:36 <lewyssmith> (cyfrwng "Core Release2") 19:46:36 <lewyssmith> facter 1.6.17 2.mga3 noarch 19:46:36 <lewyssmith> (cyfrwng "Core Updates Testing") 19:46:38 <lewyssmith> emacs-puppet 2.7.23 1.mga3 noarch (awgrym) 19:46:40 <lewyssmith> puppet 2.7.23 1.mga3 noarch 19:46:42 <lewyssmith> vim-puppet 2.7.23 1.mga3 noarch (awgrym) 19:46:44 <lewyssmith> This looks OK 19:46:46 <MrsB> great :) 19:46:55 <wilcal> puppet-2.7.23-1.mga3.noarch.rpm in my M3 updates_testing repo 19:46:56 <wilcal> mirrored from kernel.org. Had to had been in there 8-hours ago 19:47:20 <MrsB> you just need to remember to update the package list with urpmi.update after you enable the testing media 19:47:37 <MrsB> or use the GUI which does it automatically 19:47:51 <MrsB> the GUI can be run from cli using MageiaUpdate 19:48:00 <wilcal> "or use the GUI which does it automatically" mmmm kinda most of the time 19:48:01 <lewyssmith> I use the GUI for installing updates to test, as recommended 19:48:33 <wilcal> I go through a little exercise here to make sure the updates_testing repo is in the test install 19:48:45 <wilcal> Want me to go through that here 19:48:45 <MrsB> how do you do it wilcal? 19:49:03 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Sure. Go ahead. 19:49:17 <wilcal> Most of my testing is in Vbox so I have a base M2/M3 install ready to clone to say puppet test 19:49:35 <wilcal> But that basic install does NOT have the updates_testing repo links in it 19:49:58 <wilcal> so I install the main package lets say puppet ver whatever and test that 19:50:29 <wilcal> then after the initial testing I update the test install with the update_testing repo link 19:50:34 <DavidWHodgins> Only if there is a proof of concept for the bug report, does the prior version need to be tested. 19:50:37 <wilcal> lemme get those commands 19:50:37 <lewyssmith> With MGC I am *still* seeing available updates ... plasma python ruby ... 19:50:50 <lewyssmith> after all those manipulations# 19:51:06 <MrsB> yes, we only install the packages needed to test the particular update we're workign on lewyssmith 19:51:25 <MrsB> you should disable all the testign medias after you've installed the relevant packages 19:51:25 <wilcal> So I install with this: 19:51:27 <DavidWHodgins> The plasma packages are part of the kde update, that we'll be getting soon. 19:52:14 <lewyssmith> MrsB: I only choose the packages cited in the bug 19:52:22 <MrsB> yep, good 19:52:22 <wilcal> urpmi.addmedia core http://192.168.1.2:8080/~mageia/repo/distrib/3/i586/media/core/release with media_info/hdlist.cz 19:52:36 <wilcal> Then when initial testing is done do this 19:52:51 <wilcal> urpmi.addmedia core_updates_testing http://192.168.1.2:8080/~mageia/repo/distrib/3/i586/media/core/updates_testing with media_info/hdlist.cz 19:53:08 <wilcal> It's a little complex but gets away from the repo update thing 19:53:14 <MrsB> that's a complicated way of doing it wilcal :\ 19:53:20 <wilcal> You bet it is 19:53:27 <wilcal> but works every time 19:53:29 <MrsB> as long as you're happy 19:53:36 <lewyssmith> except that the puppet ones are not listed 19:53:40 <wilcal> I'm Happy 19:53:41 <lewyssmith> for me 19:53:57 <MrsB> make sure you've installed all published updates before testign the update candidates too 19:54:01 <DavidWHodgins> One point is that we need people to use a variety of methods. More likely to find any problems that way. 19:54:21 <wilcal> I always keep my Vbox test clients updated 19:54:47 <MrsB> i do.. cupdt, ecupdt, urpmi puppet 19:54:51 <lewyssmith> I always update the non-test system before tryinh test updates 19:54:53 <wilcal> I always list the test platform in my Comments 19:55:09 <wilcal> Mostly Vbox but occasionally real hardware 19:56:04 <lewyssmith> Should we not move on? 19:56:17 <djennings> ryoshu: the build for mksh seems too be taking a long time 19:56:18 <wilcal> Takes a couple hours to build a real "victim" install 19:56:27 <wilcal> Lets move on 19:56:33 <MrsB> yep, is evrybody OK? 19:56:45 <lewyssmith> Asleep? 19:56:49 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's roundup 19:56:54 <djennings> sorry wrong channel 19:57:09 <MrsB> djennings: o/ 19:57:12 <wilcal> Three cheers for Luigi 19:57:22 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: ping 19:57:36 <Luigi12_work> boo 19:57:42 <MrsB> lol OooOoooo 19:57:58 <MrsB> over to you 19:57:59 <Luigi12_work> nothing real serious in the updates right now, other than puppet 19:58:18 <Luigi12_work> I fixed all the bugs I could find to fix 19:58:18 <wilcal> I'll give a go at xpdf later today 19:58:34 <MrsB> #info no major sec updates other than puppet right now 19:58:44 <DavidWHodgins> Any word on when kde will be ready for testing? 19:58:59 <wilcal> Is the puppet thing kinda like Webmin? 19:59:08 <MrsB> no not reall wilcal 19:59:14 <MrsB> no web interface 19:59:29 <MrsB> it syncs files from a master server to various lients 19:59:34 <MrsB> clients* 19:59:41 <MrsB> hence the name - puppet 19:59:50 <MrsB> the server is the puppetmaster 19:59:53 <wilcal> For updates to desktops 20:00:00 <lewyssmith> The bug has been done for M£, outstanding for M2 only 20:00:07 <lewyssmith> M3 20:00:09 <MrsB> yep 20:00:20 <wilcal> Hmmm maybe I could kinda do that with maybe 4 active clients in Vbox 20:00:34 <MrsB> I'm not sure if mga3 to mga2 will work as it says it is picky about versions 20:00:44 <MrsB> may do though 20:01:13 <wilcal> Does puppet have a GUI 20:01:16 <MrsB> no 20:01:18 <Luigi12_work> AFAIK the KDE update is ready to test, just the advisiory is WIP 20:01:21 <MrsB> it's a sysadmin tool really 20:01:31 <wilcal> all command like i bet 20:01:32 <MrsB> our sysadmins use it 20:01:36 <wilcal> command line 20:01:48 <MrsB> yes it is and shuffling between two computers 20:01:59 <lewyssmith> wilcal: It is quite complicated 20:02:17 <MrsB> it can be, there is a simple procedure to follow though 20:02:20 <wilcal> That may not deter me from poke'n at it a little 20:02:30 <MrsB> no, don't let it scare you 20:02:43 <wilcal> I've run as many as 5 Vbox M2/M3 clients at the same time 20:02:51 <MrsB> you only need two 20:03:17 <MrsB> one as the puppetmaster which is the name of the server service and one as a client to sync files from the server 20:03:23 <DavidWHodgins> Sometimes three are needed, such as when testing a service that falls back to another server. 20:03:51 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Where did you find the procedure? 20:03:59 <MrsB> i gave a link on the bug 20:04:30 <lewyssmith> Crossed out? 20:04:43 <MrsB> yes, it's a link to the last update 20:05:03 <MrsB> on there there is info for testing and stuff to delete in between testing in one direction and the other 20:05:08 <wilcal> puppetlabs.com gots lots of docs 20:05:11 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Crossed out links, just mean the bug has been resolved. 20:05:59 <lewyssmith> http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Puppet must be it 20:06:14 <MrsB> it's very flexible and complex but we just need to test it's capable of serving a file and syncing a file, make sure the puppet service starts and stops too aswell as the puppetmaster 20:06:41 <MrsB> you get your stripes if you manage puppet 20:06:44 <lewyssmith> So I could not have done this with just one machine? 20:06:59 <DavidWHodgins> We don't try to test every feature in a complicated package, just that basic functions are working. 20:07:04 <MrsB> perhaps lewis, if you have one machine and a VM on it too 20:07:14 <lewyssmith> No VMs - no memeory! 20:07:28 <MrsB> no, you'd struggle then, sorry 20:07:30 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Nope. Won't work with just one running system. 20:07:31 <wilcal> Then you've puppetized your one machine ;-)) 20:07:55 <wilcal> A couple of Vbox clients should get me started anyway 20:08:10 <DavidWHodgins> Btw, all of the updates except freeswitch now have the advisories on svn 20:08:25 <MrsB> it's all yours then wilcal, I'm sure Dave will be delighted to help you get it done later on ;) 20:08:35 <wilcal> At least I can try to install something 20:08:56 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 20:09:02 <MrsB> Thanks Luigi12_work 20:09:09 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else? 20:09:11 <wilcal> Davids been a HUGE help for me 20:09:20 <wilcal> Ya I've got a question after 20:09:36 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: May as well go ahead with the question now. 20:09:39 <MrsB> it really does help to have somebody to hold your hand as you have a go at things 20:09:46 <wilcal> Sorry I asked this some time ago and forgot. I'd like the contact 20:09:48 <wilcal> info for the maintainer or OpenShot. Thanks. 20:09:53 <wilcal> just needed a contact 20:10:06 <MrsB> .maint openshot 20:10:12 <MrsB> :maint openshot 20:10:12 <Sophie> MrsB: For Mageia (openshot): dams 20:10:17 <MrsB> coincoin 20:10:44 <wilcal> Thanks 20:11:34 <MrsB> ,maint openshot 20:11:35 <[mbot> damsweb 20:11:39 <lewyssmith> Q: Are we going to have every ISO directory & contents names including the release 'stage' 20:11:55 <lewyssmith> i.e. they change at each phase? 20:11:58 <MrsB> yes they do lewis 20:12:08 <MrsB> next isos will be -alpha2- 20:12:09 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, alpha1 will change to alpha2 20:12:20 <MrsB> we'll rename our existing isos 20:12:41 <lewyssmith> Last time all these long names stayed the same, only the umbrella changed 20:13:02 <MrsB> oh, they don't change for each build 20:13:12 <DavidWHodgins> We're doing the same thing we did with the Mageia 3 names 20:13:13 <MrsB> so alpha1 isos are always named alpha1 20:13:31 <wilcal> I usually start with an empty directory and let the first rsync fill it up 20:13:32 <MrsB> and alpha2 isos will be alpha2 no matter how many builds it takes 20:14:07 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: It'll save you time to rsync the changes, if you rename the existing iso images and directories first. 20:14:08 <MrsB> that's why rsync is so good for this, it only downloads parts which have changed 20:14:33 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Claire, I had a *long* look at dorsync to understand it. Half got there 20:14:47 <wilcal> I agree David but old habits are hard to break 20:14:53 <lewyssmith> in order to see how to adapt it to *individual* variants 20:14:54 <MrsB> great :) you know to ask though if you need help with anything don't you 20:15:10 <MrsB> ahh you're going to work on it? 20:15:26 <lewyssmith> Suggest a change 20:15:50 <MrsB> The release variable is just the directory name on the server, just set it to the right directory if you just want one at a time 20:16:37 <lewyssmith> I will try that 20:17:08 <MrsB> so something like mageia4-alpha2/Mageia-4-alpha2-i586-DVD 20:17:13 <MrsB> whatever it is 20:17:28 <lewyssmith> But do not all the filenames change at each phase? 20:17:51 <MrsB> for each alpha/beta yes, not for each build during our testing 20:17:54 <wilcal> You figure Anne is gonna get the install DVD's out this time 20:18:19 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: Ping ^^ 20:18:21 <lewyssmith> And if so, what stops rsync downloading the whole lot again? 20:18:35 <MrsB> you do, you have to set the directory correctly 20:18:42 <lewyssmith> Re-naming the files as per mailings? 20:19:05 <MrsB> yes, we rename our isos first and then set the release variable in dorsync 20:19:22 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: My understanding is that it breaks the file up into blocks, creates a checksum for each block, and only downloads the blocks that have changed. 20:19:33 <lewyssmith> I have gathered all this; do not remeber having to do it last time 20:19:59 <wilcal> Here's the command I use: 20:20:01 <wilcal> RSYNC_PASSWORD=xxxyyyzzzxx rsync -avHP rsync://isoqa@bcd.mageia.org/isos/mageia4-alpha1/ /home/wilcal/databank/distros/mageia_4 20:20:06 <MrsB> all the details will be in the email when it's time anyway 20:20:33 <MrsB> yeah, that's the one wilcal 20:20:42 <wilcal> Works every time 20:20:54 <MrsB> if you want to look what's there first you can replace the -avHP with --list-only 20:21:22 <MrsB> Soooo 20:21:24 <lewyssmith> It's all in the procedure! 20:21:28 <MrsB> Is there anything else else? 20:22:01 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here. 20:22:17 <lewyssmith> No 20:22:26 <MrsB> #info led43-mag1, spiky, Stormi and marja sent their apologies for not being here today 20:22:41 <wilcal> I'm done 20:23:00 <MrsB> Thanks for coming then guys, please keep testing the updates and don't be scared of them 20:23:08 <wilcal> See ya next Thur 20:23:16 <MrsB> #endmeeting