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20:00:47 <davesnothereman> HiYa
20:00:53 <wilcal> HiYa David
20:00:59 <Benmc> Dave
20:01:28 <wilcal> #chair davesnothereman
20:01:28 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: davesnothereman wilcal
20:01:34 <wilcal> you got the chair dave
20:01:52 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Who's new? - If you are then come and say hello
20:02:05 <DavidWHodgins> Oops. Please chair my current id
20:02:35 <wilcal> # chair DavidWHodgins
20:02:38 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Who's new? - If you are then come and say hello
20:02:54 <wilcal> #chair DavidWHodgins
20:02:54 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins davesnothereman wilcal
20:02:57 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Who's new? - If you are then come and say hello
20:03:04 <DavidWHodgins> There. Thanks!
20:03:22 <DavidWHodgins> So, anyone here who hasn't been to a qa team irc meeting before?
20:03:51 <DavidWHodgins> Doesn't look like it, so ...
20:03:54 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * M7 Status & Testing. Is Beta1 ready for release?
20:04:10 <MageiaTJ> I'm not new, but my IRC client is. Using M7 Konversation today, installed just hours ago.
20:04:21 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone encounter any problems they think makes it worthwhile holding back the release?
20:04:27 <wilcal> I'm kinda leaning with tmb it needs testing by a larger group of people
20:04:49 <wilcal> there's lots of good going on here but still some nasty gremlins
20:05:01 <hviaene> 32-bit is a disaster for me.
20:05:15 <wilcal> on real hardware or Vbox client
20:05:16 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed. I've only done a little bit of testing, but from what I've seen, this has been the best first beta release we've ever had.
20:05:19 <MageiaTJ> Martin says the same about the release.
20:05:23 <hviaene> In general problems  with Intel graphics
20:05:30 <wilcal> It's really good
20:05:34 <bri_an> some nvidia graphics issues too
20:05:37 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. My system is amd graphics
20:05:56 <Benmc> some hardware I have absolutely no issues with Mga7, others - well.....
20:06:11 <tarazed> nvidia seems to be good on recent hardware.
20:06:14 <MageiaTJ> No problem with Intel graphics here, on 64-bit.
20:06:24 <DavidWHodgins> That's why I think it's time to go for release. Get more people with more of a variation in hardware.
20:06:44 <Benmc> as Martins said, we cant hold out for a perfect release
20:06:54 <wilcal> I agree David
20:06:57 <kekePower> MageiaTJ: Working on fixing hardinfo.
20:07:00 <tarazed> Seconded
20:07:03 <hviaene> Not booting is far from perfect
20:07:03 <wilcal> not at beta1
20:07:09 <rindolf> I ran into a transient bug with the graphics in mga7 with sandy bridge graphics and plasma5 - fixed after a restart
20:07:10 <DavidWHodgins> If there are no objections, I'll go ahead and inform the council that M7 beta 1 is ready to go!
20:07:11 <tmb> yeah, its definately good enough as a beta1... it even behaves like a RC for many
20:07:15 <MageiaTJ> kekepower: Thanks!
20:07:32 <wilcal> yes, in places it's got some big wrinkles
20:07:46 <Benmc> whenwill there be a version freeze Dave?
20:08:00 <wilcal> I did two netinstalls this morning to Vbox clients
20:08:14 <bri_an> I think it would be okay.  My challenge was with mate and nvidia 6150le graphics (was 304 driver).
20:08:17 <tarazed> wilcal: do we put that in the release notes? ;-)
20:08:19 <hviaene> Release with a warning on 32-bit??
20:08:25 <DavidWHodgins> Tenatively, Jan. 2nd, 2019
20:08:26 <tmb> the suggested version freeze is Jan 2nd, 2019
20:08:46 <kekePower> I am going to try to see if the locale bug is fixed. Last time I tried, eng system, norwegian keyboard, it didn't work
20:08:48 <wilcal> sounds like a plan
20:08:51 <kekePower> that was yesterday
20:08:59 <wilcal> here's a bad problem
20:09:02 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23863
20:09:04 <[mbot> [ 23863 – Timing of the nfs mount not working? ]
20:09:15 <wilcal> it's an old problem too
20:09:40 <DavidWHodgins> That is definitely not worth holding a beta 1 release for.
20:09:50 <wilcal> agreed
20:10:52 <wilcal> take a look at this tmb:
20:10:54 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23878
20:10:54 <hviaene> BTW all my tests were in Dutch, no problem with that (if it boots)
20:10:55 <[mbot> [ 23878 – UEFI boot drives are not swappable between identical systems ]
20:10:59 <wilcal> i don
20:11:07 <DavidWHodgins> Announcement sent to the qa-discuss and council mailing lists
20:11:10 <wilcal> i don't know if that's a bug or a feature
20:11:24 <DavidWHodgins> #info Mageia 7 beta 1 approved for release
20:11:28 <bri_an> I guess nvidia 304 doesn't matter
20:11:50 <DavidWHodgins> It does, but not enough to hold a beta release
20:12:10 <tmb> bri_an, there is no nvidia304 support
20:12:13 <DavidWHodgins> It will have to be fixed before the rc release, for sure.
20:12:14 <wilcal> I have nothing I'm working that would hold up a beta1 re;ease
20:12:26 <tmb> only nvidia340, nvidia390 and nvidia-current
20:12:30 <wilcal> lots of things need to be fixed before release
20:12:32 <MageiaTJ> Unfortunately, nvidia says it's EOL.
20:12:37 <bri_an> yup - goes to nouveau.  It worked fine from xfce lives, not so for mate classic.
20:12:38 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch
20:12:56 <bri_an> I am testing xfce from classic 64bit now
20:13:30 <DavidWHodgins> Hopefully noveau will get better between now and when we produce the rc candidate.
20:13:32 <tmb> bri_an, you can also try to use modesetting driver
20:13:34 <Benmc> cinnamon not working  32 or 64 -need a not for release ntes
20:14:21 <Benmc> try again: cinnamon not working  32 or 64 -need a note for release notes
20:14:22 <DavidWHodgins> For a first beta, just having the primary desktop environments (kde/gnome/xfce) getting to a gui is good enough.
20:14:45 <DavidWHodgins> Or in the errata
20:15:08 <bri_an> :tmb I'll try that
20:15:29 <tarazed> Cinnamon has been working here - 64bits.
20:15:41 <wilcal> I did a Vbox client netinstall UEFI x86_64 Plasma install this morning. install and boot to desktop works but reboot does not. Legacy works just fine. I've checked this error at least 3x.
20:16:03 <wilcal> I'm going to generate a bug on this
20:16:04 <MageiaTJ> My HP printers are working in Plasma, a nice plus.
20:16:05 <DavidWHodgins> Doesn't look like the Mageia 7 errata page has been set up yet. Someone volunteer to do so?
20:16:57 <DavidWHodgins> The release notes are to list what is present in terms of versions and new software. Known errors belong in the errata.
20:17:10 <MageiaTJ> Gotta go. My brother needs my help....
20:17:14 <wilcal> We should set up a master bug for all the release blockers
20:17:36 <DavidWHodgins> Benmc: As you have an error to add, mind setting up the m7 errata? Start with a copy of the m6 one, for the layout.
20:18:20 <Benmc> thanks for the vote Dave, i will have a look
20:18:49 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:18:53 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks
20:20:09 <Benmc> also to note: lives and nvida340 wont complete build  from live menu - with proprietary drivers
20:20:50 <Benmc> I waited 1/2 an hr, then went to bed
20:20:52 <DavidWHodgins> Does noveau work ok with it?
20:21:29 <DavidWHodgins> 340 or 304?
20:21:30 <Benmc> if installed from the live desktop works ok, just not from the live disk boot menu
20:21:39 <Benmc> 340
20:22:09 <Benmc> its in one of Tjs e-mails
20:22:37 <DavidWHodgins> That's nasty, but if it works ok with noveau, that's a work around that's good enough for beta 1 to go public so we can get more testers.
20:23:58 <DavidWHodgins> Let's move on then.
20:24:02 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing updates - Any questions or problems
20:24:07 <bri_an> nouveau worked on 304 and 393, so guessing it'll do 340
20:25:02 <DavidWHodgins> flash is easy to test. nextcloud, just ensure the update installs cleanly over the prior version, and doesn't require database rebuild etc.
20:25:05 <wilcal> freaking flash player again
20:25:22 <DavidWHodgins> Used to be about once a week for flash.
20:25:34 <wilcal> Jan 2020 and Mozilla is pulling support for Flash
20:25:41 <DavidWHodgins> Will be happy when it's gone.
20:26:16 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks everyone for the great work keeping the list of updates waiting down so short.
20:26:18 <bri_an> it's just the client I think on nextcloud
20:26:40 <bri_an> if I can I'll spin up my nextcloud server and then set up a client or two
20:26:50 <DavidWHodgins> There are two bugs. One for the client, one for nextcloud itself.
20:26:56 <bri_an> ohhh
20:27:18 <DavidWHodgins> Likely they should be approved together, or not at all.
20:27:40 <DavidWHodgins> I hae't looked to see if the client update requires the server update.
20:27:46 <bri_an> ok - I'll update the server and confirm, then update client
20:28:02 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks
20:28:26 <DavidWHodgins> That just leaves ...
20:28:29 <tmb> and there is a new kernel built I will assign to qa after I've built the kmods
20:28:29 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Anything else
20:28:37 <wilcal> nothing else from me
20:28:56 <wilcal> I've got to write at least one more bug for M7
20:29:05 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: So not super security critical like some kernel updates in the past.
20:29:24 <DavidWHodgins> Just a normal security update. :-)
20:29:37 <rindolf> tmb: btw, do you know if kernel 4.19.x will be LTS?
20:30:12 <tmb> well, it adds STIBP protection support on x86_64, but meh...
20:30:19 <tmb> rindolf, it is LTS
20:30:35 <rindolf> tmb: ah, nice
20:30:55 <DavidWHodgins> From what I saw, the existing spectre mitigations cover it pretty well.
20:31:24 <DavidWHodgins> What was this one called. split spectre?
20:31:36 <tmb> yeah, and full STIBP will make your system crawl :)
20:31:49 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch.
20:32:11 <tmb> Single Thread Indirect Branch Predictors protection
20:32:40 <DavidWHodgins> :-(
20:32:45 <tmb> the first revision of it killed of 20-50% but the polished one should behave better
20:33:16 <DavidWHodgins> Wow. Much worse of an impact than the existing mitigations then.
20:34:24 <DavidWHodgins> amd and intel will be laughing all the way to the bank as everyone upgrades to whatever they release next with the mitigations built into the hardware, hopefully without performance loss.
20:34:47 <bri_an> I was just thinking that.  Core i9 anyone?
20:35:00 <tmb> yeah, well the first revision used a "big hammer", whereas the polished one tries to be smart of how heavy protection to enable by default, and according to both Intel and Amd full protection is a no-no
20:35:08 <tarazed> Yes, and it is a bit slow on Cauldron
20:35:56 <DavidWHodgins> Definitely don't want people to see that in the beta 1 release. :-)
20:36:15 <DavidWHodgins> They'd blame us instead of intel/amd.
20:36:16 <tmb> yeag, I'm going to review if we want to switch to a "lighter protection" by default, but for now ...
20:36:21 <bri_an> yeah - so far, m7 has performed decently on my older equipment
20:36:37 <wilcal> same here
20:36:52 <DavidWHodgins> I've barely gone past install, boot and login.
20:37:06 <tarazed> Yes, OK for me too, but noticeably skower on an i9 decacore.
20:37:15 <tarazed> slower
20:37:15 <DavidWHodgins> If it gets that far, that's good enough for beta 1.
20:37:20 <bri_an> yikes
20:37:22 <bri_an> on i9
20:37:51 <bri_an> I've actually spent some hours on my laptop with m7 and another machine
20:37:59 <bri_an> it is functional - decent beta1 for sure
20:38:25 <wilcal> I've spent some considerable time on real hw uefi with M7
20:40:32 <DavidWHodgins> My system can boot in uefi mode, but it's a real pain as it requires keyboard intervention every boot going through the setup menu to select uefi mode.
20:40:44 <wilcal> I'm done David
20:40:53 <DavidWHodgins> So I normally only use it in bios firmware mode.
20:40:58 <Benmc> Just received a package from China, 2 x 512GB laptop SSD , any guesses what Im doing this weekend
20:41:11 <bri_an> :-)
20:41:13 <DavidWHodgins> Yeah. Countdown time
20:41:17 <DavidWHodgins> Benmc: :-)
20:41:21 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5
20:41:22 <DavidWHodgins> 4
20:41:25 <DavidWHodgins> 3
20:41:27 <DavidWHodgins> 2
20:41:28 <wilcal> My new Qnap NAS is a gem
20:41:31 <DavidWHodgins> 1
20:41:39 <wilcal> bye all
20:41:41 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone.
20:41:47 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting