19:04:05 <wilcal> #startmeeting
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19:04:10 <wilcal> BOt's working
19:04:19 <MageiaTJ> Yay!
19:04:23 <wilcal> Welcome all to another QA meeting
19:04:38 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:04:43 <wilcal> Anyone new here today
19:05:09 <wilcal> Nope
19:05:27 <wilcal> lets go to an important issue that's always confusing
19:05:30 <wilcal> #topic Time change
19:05:52 <wilcal> So that occurs here in the States on 4 Nov
19:06:17 <wilcal> hi tar we're talking about the time change
19:06:37 <tarazed> Oh yeah. This weekend.
19:06:41 <wilcal> I understand it changes in Europe on 28 Oct?
19:06:59 <wilcal> It's 4 Oct in the States
19:07:01 <tarazed> Yes, early Sunday morning.
19:07:16 <wilcal> So we started today at 19:00 UTC
19:07:29 <wilcal> What time UTC should we start next Tuesday
19:07:37 <tarazed> That looks right.
19:07:48 <MageiaTJ> 20:00
19:08:18 <wilcal> OK I will change my notice next Thur to 20:00UTC
19:08:20 <tarazed> Agreed.
19:08:35 <MageiaTJ> That will be 1 hour later for those of us in North America.
19:08:43 <wilcal> That's an hour later here 1pm but back to noon the week after that
19:08:54 <wilcal> This is always a very confusing issue
19:08:57 <MageiaTJ> Right.
19:09:09 <tarazed> We are in the privileged position of sitting on the prime meridian.
19:09:19 <wilcal> So we're good to go on thiis
19:09:23 <MageiaTJ> It'll be 4pm here, but 3 the next week.
19:10:16 <wilcal> It's right at Noon here in Sin City USA
19:10:41 <wilcal> #topic M7 Status
19:11:00 <wilcal> I haven't heard any change with the target being at the end of this year
19:11:30 <wilcal> It's only 10-weeks away and I stall can't get a bootable netinstall
19:11:54 <wilcal> I was hoping that David would be here and help us on this one
19:11:54 <tarazed> Welcome, ajhlinuxuser
19:11:55 <MageiaTJ> I asked about the current status on the council ml, but there have been no replies with more information.
19:12:13 <wilcal> hello ajhl
19:12:20 <ajhlinuxuser> Hey, that's odd, I was somehow 'silently' disconnected and I thought the meeting wasn't starting.
19:12:47 <ajhlinuxuser> (this is ca-on-adam at a bedside PC)
19:12:58 <wilcal> IMO we're going to be well into the 1st qtr of next year before we see M7 isos to look at
19:13:12 <ajhlinuxuser> My last failed message sent was: how long has #mageia-meeting been in use for QA?
19:13:31 <Bequimao> Is there a planning for installation media other than netinstall?
19:13:57 <wilcal> yes aj there's been log in problems
19:14:06 <wilcal> we had to move here for out meetings
19:14:19 <tarazed> ca-on-adam: At least three weeks.
19:14:27 <wilcal> I have not seen anything
19:14:46 <MageiaTJ> ajhlinuxuser: the bot refuses to work on mageia-qa.
19:14:48 <wilcal> Someone mentioned they start testing when isos show and that's fine
19:15:08 <ajhlinuxuser> oh, ok.  I wanted to gauge how inattentive I've been.
19:15:18 <wilcal> I like to start looking at it when I can get a successful netinstall and boot to a GUI
19:15:31 <tarazed> I have been running mga7 from an upgrade mainly.
19:15:47 <wilcal> There's a bug on M7 that's preventing that from happening
19:16:24 <tarazed> Yes - I hit that.
19:17:18 <MageiaTJ> I'm the one who waits.
19:17:25 <wilcal> anyway we don't have any solid evidence of any date especially something this year
19:17:26 <tarazed> Wise
19:17:30 <Bequimao> I have a Cauldron on real HW and VM, but it will file bug reports only when I can reproduce them on fresh installs.
19:17:52 <wilcal> I figure by mid Dec that's when Europeans are on Holiday
19:19:03 <wilcal> Hi hvi
19:19:05 <tarazed> Good evening Herman
19:19:09 <hviaene> Hi all
19:19:15 <wilcal> do you have any insight on the status of M7?
19:19:29 <hviaene> Me? no
19:20:23 <MageiaTJ> Probably time to move on, Bill.
19:20:28 <wilcal> I agree
19:20:49 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates
19:21:11 <wilcal> lots of them but lots of OK's. Kernels have had some good testing
19:21:16 <tarazed> Echoing TJ - thans to Claire for stepping in on bitcoin.
19:21:46 <wilcal> I don't do bitcoin
19:22:17 <tarazed> I always thought you needed a shed-ful of servers for the blockchain.
19:22:33 <MageiaTJ> Another Firfox update, I see.
19:22:39 <tarazed> Claire showed us otherwise.
19:22:53 <MageiaTJ> Firfox=Firefox
19:23:10 <tarazed> Yes - firefox works OK.
19:23:10 <wilcal> Yes, FF release went to 63.0 recently
19:23:29 <MageiaTJ> (I don't care for chicklet keyboards)
19:23:46 <wilcal> most imporatnt change for Mageia by moving to FF 60.x ESL is it supports Lastpass
19:24:10 <wilcal> FF v 52 did not
19:24:46 <tarazed> Did not test that.  How?
19:24:55 <MageiaTJ> But it broke a lot of well-liked extensions.
19:24:58 <hviaene> And the new Belgian -id card plugin
19:25:04 <wilcal> that it did
19:25:22 <wilcal> but Mozillla had to do it
19:25:26 <ajhlinuxuser> Do you mean "ESR"?
19:25:37 <wilcal> yes, sorry
19:25:43 <ajhlinuxuser> ok
19:26:05 <wilcal> spamassassin is in there and that seems to hang around as so few understand it
19:26:32 <hviaene> Count me in
19:26:38 <wilcal> anyway I've some time this weekend and will work as many as I can
19:26:59 <tarazed> There are rather too many for such a small crew.
19:27:11 <wilcal> there's stuff in there I've never seen before
19:27:18 * ajhlinuxuser feels terrible for not being active
19:27:23 <MageiaTJ> I can go through the OKed ones and see if they've had enough testing.
19:27:33 <wilcal> sounds like a plan TJ
19:27:39 <MageiaTJ> ajhl: we each do as we can.
19:27:51 <wilcal> by next meeting lets see if we can get this thing down some
19:28:17 <wilcal> Lets move on
19:28:19 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
19:28:21 <MageiaTJ> Every time I get it whittled down, more are added again.
19:28:42 <tarazed> Conveyor belt TJ
19:28:43 <ajhlinuxuser> For the spamassassin package, I might be able to get that tested easily, because (small announcement to come later)
19:28:54 <wilcal> well we expected that after M6.1 got released
19:29:16 <tarazed> Of course
19:29:16 <wilcal> So I've run into a problem I wanted to share
19:29:19 <ajhlinuxuser> Or at least I can enable one of you to test it better than you could at home.
19:29:28 <MageiaTJ> ajhl, now you have my curiosity piqued.
19:29:52 <wilcal> I am not getting successful installs of UEFI M6.1 in a Vbox client
19:29:53 <ajhlinuxuser> MageiaTJ: I can say now or at the "anything else" segment.
19:30:16 <wilcal> is anyone running on UEFI platforms?
19:30:21 <MageiaTJ> We are in Anything else.
19:30:33 <ajhlinuxuser> great :)
19:30:48 <tarazed> Nearly all mine are UEFI.  I shall look at a vbox install.
19:30:58 <wilcal> thanks tar
19:31:01 <hviaene> UEFI: not my 32 bit lptop
19:31:11 <wilcal> I'm not familiar with it
19:31:15 <ajhlinuxuser> So I did successfully find a cheap hosting provider to run a small Mageia server, fully virtualized, and it is online now.
19:31:16 <ajhlinuxuser> https://i.postimg.cc/JtCr7H12/meristem-unused-2018-10-25.png
19:31:17 <MageiaTJ> Nothing UEFI here, by design.
19:31:25 <wilcal> I want to move over to UEFI by the time we get to M7
19:31:55 <wilcal> kool aj
19:32:07 <hviaene> M7 still support for 32bit??
19:32:12 <wilcal> yes
19:32:16 <ajhlinuxuser> That means it can more quickly send/receive email from its actual domain, so spamassassin would be easier to test, even if I can't focus my scatterbrain on it, one of you could test it after I install an email daemon.
19:32:32 <wilcal> I floated the balloon to drop 32-bit but got a lot of resistance
19:33:04 <hviaene> That doubles our load
19:33:14 <hviaene> moreor less
19:33:23 <ajhlinuxuser> wilcal: The compromise I'd like to see for 32-bit is as a "secondary" release that doesn't block releases of 64-bit.
19:33:35 <tarazed> And you have taken the brunt of it Herman
19:33:48 <MageiaTJ> ajhl, not sure what I'm looking at, but it looks impressive.
19:33:58 <wilcal> small, quick, focused application and virtual are strong reasons for keeping 32-bit
19:34:08 <hviaene> Becccause I'm one of the few with real HW
19:34:12 <ajhlinuxuser> And in a perfect world I'd be paying a lot of attention to helping with the 32-bit QA testing...
19:34:42 <ajhlinuxuser> MageiaTJ: it is a little VPS running Mageia with its own kernel, rather than as a container.
19:35:18 <MageiaTJ> Herman, I have some too, but I only use it for testing. No actual "useful" purpose.
19:35:27 <wilcal> I tossed my 32-bit HW a couple years ago
19:35:35 <hviaene> Idem TJ
19:35:41 <wilcal> only thing i have is Vbox clients
19:35:46 <ajhlinuxuser> I'm renting it in an effort to psychologically motivate myself to be more active.  ref: https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12463&p=73682#p73682
19:35:47 <wilcal> and they seem to work fine
19:35:47 <[mbot`> [ Mageia forum • View topic - Mageia-QA: to rent a testing VPS, anyone want to join me? ]
19:35:52 <tarazed> Many of the 32-bit applications could be tested in VM though.
19:36:12 <wilcal> and that seems to be where 32-bit is living today
19:36:35 * ajhlinuxuser needs to update the Mageia wiki with all his hardware 32/64 that can be used for testing
19:37:21 <MageiaTJ> That's right... I need to add my old Inspiron to the list.
19:37:32 <wilcal> Anything else?
19:37:48 <hviaene> Not here
19:37:55 <wilcal> I'm tapped out
19:38:10 <MageiaTJ> I'm done.
19:38:12 <ajhlinuxuser> does anyone want to work with me to test spamassassin on my VPS now?  Since I have my attention on it?
19:38:15 <tarazed> Me too
19:38:23 <ajhlinuxuser> I can install it, you can spam it.
19:38:34 <ajhlinuxuser> (well not literally)
19:38:41 <tarazed> Me too I'm done
19:38:48 <wilcal> throw lots of messages at it
19:38:59 <MageiaTJ> I don't know how to spam anybody.
19:39:17 <wilcal> I wouldn't know how to create an e-mail that looks like spam. How would you do that
19:39:36 <hviaene> I found a spam message, see the bug
19:39:38 <wilcal> Put that on the QA mailing list for someone to try
19:39:49 <ajhlinuxuser> Well I imagine it would contain words in the body about pharma and rolex... lol
19:40:05 <wilcal> Sounds like something fun to play with
19:40:06 <MageiaTJ> Nigerian princes?
19:40:07 <Bequimao> It works also on the client side, doesn't it?
19:40:15 <wilcal> would gmail toss it?
19:40:22 <ajhlinuxuser> Darn, wheres a Nigerian prince when you need one!
19:40:28 <wilcal> LOL
19:40:33 <wilcal> anything else
19:40:34 <hviaene> Yes, to what I coould test
19:41:08 <wilcal> COunt down time
19:41:11 <wilcal> T-5
19:41:15 <wilcal> thanks all for being here
19:41:17 <ajhlinuxuser> okay I will install postfix I guess.  If you want to participate, message ca-on-adam on mageia forum and I'll supply an email address for testing spamassassin.
19:41:24 <wilcal> T-4
19:41:29 <wilcal> sounds like fun
19:41:32 <hviaene> G'night all
19:41:34 <wilcal> T-3
19:41:41 <wilcal> T-2
19:41:42 <tarazed> See y'all later
19:41:48 <wilcal> T-1
19:41:48 <MageiaTJ> After my ISP went to all the trouble to get a spam bot off his system, I'd hate to start looking like one.
19:41:57 <wilcal> #endmeeting