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20:24:57 <ennael> hi all thanks for attending
20:27:17 <Akien> Hi everyone
20:27:37 <DavidWHodgins> Has the mass rebuild been started yet?
20:27:51 <ennael> woot what crazy atmosphere tonight :)
20:27:59 <DavidWHodgins> lol
20:28:12 <Akien> Hehe, everyone still recovering from the holidays :p
20:28:14 <ennael> ok let start with fun
20:28:18 <wilcal> Ya it's raining in Southern California
20:28:22 <ennael> #topic fOSDEM
20:28:32 <ennael> #undo
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20:28:35 <ennael> #topic FOSDEM
20:28:45 <ennael> so we have a booth there
20:29:09 <ennael> there is a wiki page: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Fosdem_2016
20:29:20 <ennael> I will mail about it all ML to register
20:29:27 <ennael> for attendees, booth, diner
20:29:37 <ennael> are some of you going there?
20:29:38 <Akien> wilcal: 10cm snow here ;)
20:29:48 <Akien> ennael: I intend to be there yes
20:30:04 <Akien> Still need to plan my travel and accommodation, but it's on my agenda :)
20:30:16 <papoteur> I can't be there, sorry.
20:30:23 <ennael> as last year I'd like to propose to help contributers to go there
20:30:27 <ennael> financially I mean
20:30:47 <DavidWHodgins> I agree with that
20:31:48 <ennael> I had in mind marja, tmb, MrsB  and maybe others if they ask for
20:31:53 <ennael> wdyt?
20:32:56 <papoteur> ennael: yes OK for me.
20:33:22 <Akien> Yes, I think we could help any major contributor if they want to come but the expense is a bit too tough
20:33:29 <Akien> marja, tmb and MrsB are a good example of "major" :)
20:33:35 <papoteur> how are our accounts?
20:33:46 <Akien> Pretty good I think: http://treasurer.mageia.org/
20:34:03 <ennael> yep and some is missing still I need to update
20:35:27 <ennael> ok so let's vote for helping contributers
20:35:28 <ennael> OK
20:35:42 <tmb> ok for me
20:35:52 <papoteur> Ok for me too.
20:35:54 <DavidWHodgins> Ok
20:35:58 <wilcal> ok
20:35:59 * tmb voting for me weird ?
20:36:02 <ennael> :)
20:36:06 * tmb voting for tmb weird ?
20:36:07 <Latte> ok
20:36:27 <Akien> Ok for me
20:36:38 <papoteur> tmb: you should go out of the room during the vote ;)
20:36:50 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone against?
20:37:10 <tmb> papoteur, :)
20:37:38 <ennael> ok done then :)
20:37:42 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like we can call that vote unaminous
20:38:12 <ennael> on my side I've ordered pens and table clothe
20:39:51 <ennael> we will have also flyers, usb keys, CDs
20:39:58 <ennael> and tee-shirts
20:40:07 <Akien> Awesome :)
20:40:25 <Akien> I think we should prepare a blog post asap in atelier so that people still have time to make arrangement if they want to join us
20:40:30 <ennael> also we should have an ARM demo thanks to blino and pterjan
20:40:36 <ennael> yep
20:40:57 <wilcal> on a Raspberry Pi?
20:41:01 <ennael> yep
20:41:12 <wilcal> wow
20:41:35 <ennael> Akien: would be nice to do it asap as we need to book for the diner
20:41:54 <Akien> yep
20:42:05 <Akien> You can #action me as Schultz is not around :)
20:42:23 <ennael> oups
20:42:28 <ennael> #chair Akien
20:42:28 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: Akien ennael
20:42:32 <ennael> hop
20:42:33 <ennael> :)
20:42:57 <Akien> #action akien gets atelier to prepare a blog post about FOSDEM + inscription for booth and dinner asap
20:43:26 <Akien> "inscription" is frenglish but whatever :p
20:43:50 <ennael> :)
20:43:52 <DavidWHodgins> s /inscription/register/
20:43:59 <Akien> DavidWHodgins: yep thanks :)
20:44:42 <Latte> you will stay at Hotel Villa Royale?
20:45:16 <Latte> still unsure if I should come - it's so far
20:47:34 <Akien> Latte: It's just one quarter of France away :)
20:47:47 <Akien> OK one half ;)
20:48:01 <tmb> :)
20:48:10 <Latte> ah ok - then...
20:48:12 <DavidWHodgins> France is so small though. :-)
20:48:24 <ennael> anything else?
20:48:24 <Akien> We should also ping on dev, discuss, discuss-fr, etc. about it
20:48:36 <ennael> will send an mail
20:48:50 <Akien> OK, I'll open a topic on the forums
20:49:23 <ennael> thanks
20:49:28 <ennael> ok next topic then
20:49:39 <ennael> #topic Mageia 6
20:49:53 <wilcal> before that a few words about scale
20:50:01 <ennael> :)
20:50:08 <ennael> it's only a title
20:50:13 <ennael> ok so
20:50:25 <ennael> father christmas was not that nice
20:50:32 <wilcal> we have a very good position on the show floor
20:50:43 <ennael> we still have annoying bugs in installer
20:50:54 <ennael> some have been fixed this last é weeks
20:50:56 <ennael> é
20:50:58 <ennael> 2
20:51:30 <ennael> still we have 2 of them
20:51:58 <ennael> one is about X on vbox at least so it hangs and finally switch driver
20:52:06 <ennael> tmb: are you aware of that one?
20:52:17 <tmb> nope, wich one ?
20:53:25 <Akien> I've noticed this one a few weeks ago when making a vbox install indeed
20:53:37 <ennael> "X server is
20:53:38 <ennael> slow to start" repeated a lot of time when starting install.
20:54:01 <Akien> Is there a bug report?
20:54:08 <ennael> wonering
20:54:12 <ennael> let me check
20:54:41 <ennael> shame on me
20:54:43 <ennael> I'll do it
20:55:32 <ennael> also we have a bug with scriplet not executed during install while it's done outside installer
20:55:40 <tmb> ah, we had stuff like that with efi setup for mga5... I will poke at it
20:56:02 <ennael> well it happens also with i586
20:56:54 <tmb> ennael, yeah, but the efi bug was also  about mis-detecting driver to use...
20:57:28 <ennael> ah
20:57:36 <tmb> I guess the xorg driver autoloader is screwing up...
20:57:52 <ennael> damned
20:58:39 <tmb> but I think it's fixable by overriding / forcing driver for installer
20:58:52 <ennael> that would be great indeed
21:00:31 <ennael> second one is about scriplets failing
21:00:59 <ennael> work in progress thanks to tv and neoclust but quite slowly
21:01:02 <ennael> help welcome
21:01:55 <Akien> Has the cause of this bug been identified?
21:02:14 <ennael> not yet
21:02:50 <tmb> do we have bugreport for the scripts issue ? (or is it the same as those I saw when building live medias) ?
21:03:51 <Akien> I guess this one: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17217
21:05:04 <tmb> ah
21:05:19 <ennael> yep I guess it's that one
21:05:27 <ennael> quite easy to reproduce just install in vbox
21:05:31 <ennael> or kvm
21:05:47 <Akien> Here are the 6dev1 bugs: https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?f1=status_whiteboard&o1=substring&query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&v1=6dev1&list_id=56599
21:06:36 <ennael> otherwise desktop env install is quite ok on my side
21:06:41 <ennael> so in much better shape
21:07:58 <wilcal> has anyone figured out what the mcc won't launch
21:08:13 <wilcal> that would be very helpful
21:08:23 <tmb> I wonder if the new rpm filetriggers have some issues we have uncovered with our installer
21:08:25 <ennael> is there a bug report ?
21:08:33 <ennael> tmb: could be..
21:10:12 <Akien> So, how can devs help tv and neoclust?
21:10:45 <ennael> work has restart only yesterday really
21:11:04 <ennael> so maybe a bit early but any fresh ideas welcome
21:13:29 <Akien> Ok, I'll see with neoclust what's the status
21:13:43 <Akien> I guess we need this fix before we start spinning ISOs?
21:13:56 <Akien> *these two bugs fixed
21:13:59 <ennael> yep
21:16:05 <Akien> When should we have the mass release?
21:16:36 <Akien> *rebuild
21:16:37 <Akien> :)
21:16:41 <ennael> well if we do it we should do it now I guess
21:17:46 <ennael> wdyt?
21:18:14 <DavidWHodgins> The sooner the better, to find out where problems are.
21:18:23 <Akien> Yes that would probably be wise
21:18:38 <Akien> We should just make sure there are not big known issues that would make it worse than it should
21:18:39 <papoteur> No advice on that. Can a mass rebuild break more things?
21:18:54 <Akien> e.g. the java stack seems to be a bit difficult right now IIRC
21:19:14 <ennael> well releaseing with broken java stack is doable I guess
21:19:34 <tmb> atleast for dev1 isos :)
21:19:57 <ennael> yep
21:20:58 <ennael> ok pterjan is checking some points before launching it
21:21:34 <Akien> The latest autobuild is quite bad though: http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/autobuild/results.php?run=2016-01-04
21:21:57 <Luigi12_work> yeah we need to get the build error count down before doing a mass rebuild
21:22:07 <ennael> 10% about
21:22:21 <ennael> better to do it now in early stage
21:22:52 <Luigi12_work> it has less value if it's done too early, if there will still be a lot of package churn before the release
21:23:53 <Luigi12_work> that being said, it's probably close to the right time
21:24:03 <ennael> we still have to solve php mess
21:24:13 <Luigi12_work> yeah I'm not sure what to do about that
21:24:28 <Luigi12_work> hopefully upstream can be convinced to extend 5.6's support, since 7 was released while not truly being "ready"
21:24:59 <blino> about the filetriggers issue, IIRC I experienced it a few months ago in my early ARM chroots that I prepared for pterjan, so probably not an installer-only issue
21:26:57 <ennael> damned
21:27:01 <DavidWHodgins> What's the difference between autobuild and mass rebuild?
21:27:03 <tmb> blino, well it does seem to be a "chroot" issue as installer runs chrooted... I wonder if rpm is not detecting the chroot properly...
21:27:23 <ennael> that was one of tv ideas if I remember well
21:27:38 <blino> I'll mail him about this
21:27:55 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: the autobuild doesn't put the built packages into the repository, it's just a test to see which packages are not currently buildable
21:28:01 <ennael> blino: thanks
21:28:10 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Thanks
21:28:17 <tmb> I wonder if it would be wise to compare our earlier filetrigger code/logic  to upstream implemented one to see if one can spot the failure
21:30:41 <Akien> That might be a good hint for tv
21:33:14 <Akien> I guess everybody is starting to sleep already :p
21:33:23 <ennael> anything else on that point ?
21:33:26 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
21:33:57 <wilcal> I've a couple questions  words about Scale
21:35:43 <ennael> ?
21:36:23 <wilcal> http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/14x
21:36:46 <wilcal> does anyone have a good link to a Mageia logo pdf?
21:37:05 <ennael> #topic scale
21:37:22 <Akien> You can use the SVG: http://www.mageia.org/en/about/media/
21:37:28 <Akien> http://www.mageia.org/g/media/logo/mageia-2013.svg
21:37:45 <Akien> (might need to crop off some of the white space depending on what you need to do)
21:37:59 <wilcal> i do have 8 passes to the show if anyone wants to make the trek
21:38:19 <wilcal> 4hrs on Friday, 10 on Sat and 4 on Sun
21:38:49 <wilcal> My girlfriend has accepted the role of "booth babe"
21:39:05 <ennael> :)
21:39:05 <wilcal> she's likely to be there pending on work
21:39:12 <tmb> :)
21:39:38 <wilcal> fwiw best booth babes I've seen in the world were in Paris
21:39:57 <wilcal> we have an excellent position in the center of the show floor
21:40:03 <tmb> wilcal, thanks a lot for your work regarding Scale :)
21:40:11 <ennael> indeed
21:40:19 <wilcal> no prob it's gonna be fun to show the flag
21:40:41 <wilcal> Note this is a massive show maybe 5000+ attendees
21:40:52 <DavidWHodgins> Almost as far for me, as fosdem. :-)
21:41:04 <wilcal> Probably the biggest linux show in the Americas
21:41:16 <wilcal> Oh question
21:41:38 <wilcal> if someone what is the principle languages Mageia is written in what would be the answer
21:41:56 <wilcal> perl?? or whatever
21:43:00 <ennael> klingon
21:43:01 <ennael> oups
21:43:06 <wilcal> lol
21:43:06 <DavidWHodgins> lol
21:43:12 <tmb> most of installer and drakx tools are perl yes.... some tools are python, and the rest is according to upsream codebase
21:43:30 <wilcal> perl/python
21:44:03 <wilcal> I suspect most of the questions will be about the evolution of Mageia from Mandrake
21:44:48 <wilcal> I have that one sheet page I will have on the table. This laptop has most of the GUI's to demonstrate
21:44:51 <tmb> wilcal, we took the best from Mandr* and run :)
21:45:22 <ennael> nice sum up
21:45:30 <wilcal> I'll see if I can webcast from my Ustream account if that works
21:45:37 <wilcal> that's it for now
21:45:41 <ennael> thanks :)
21:46:11 <ennael> I propose to stop the meeting for tonight as it's already quite late unless somebody has something to add
21:46:26 <wilcal> good idea
21:46:40 <DavidWHodgins> Fine with me
21:46:47 <tmb> just one reminder...
21:47:25 <tmb> for those that can... please help QA team with tests and Security team for security fixes ... :)
21:47:34 <ennael> :)
21:47:48 <Luigi12_work> please, yes, we're drowning :o)
21:47:49 <ennael> MrsB, get out this body!
21:47:50 <ennael> :)
21:48:08 * DavidWHodgins needs a new body too. :-)
21:48:46 <ennael> ok then we can close the meeting and finish holidays :)
21:48:52 <ennael> thanks for attending
21:49:01 <ennael> #endmeeting