20:35:25 <ennael> #startmeeting 20:35:25 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Mon Feb 23 20:35:25 2015 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:35:25 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:35:36 <ennael> #chair MrsB grenoya 20:35:36 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: MrsB ennael grenoya 20:35:43 <MrsB> uh ohh :D 20:35:44 <ennael> girls back for power 20:35:57 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 20:36:06 <ennael> ok let start 20:36:30 <ennael> #topic mageia5 atelier todo list 20:36:38 <ennael> grenoya: want to start ? :) 20:36:48 <grenoya> well 20:37:02 <grenoya> I just see blob post on the todo list 20:37:12 <grenoya> Am I missing things? 20:37:35 <ennael> ? 20:37:52 <grenoya> ennael: unless you're still missing some part of artwork? 20:38:00 <ennael> artwork is ok now 20:38:00 <MrsB> it'd be good if we can re-do the "contribute" page before release 20:38:17 <grenoya> oops..forgot the website /o\ 20:38:33 <ennael> press release 20:38:39 <grenoya> MrsB: yes but it's not the only page that need work 20:38:43 <MrsB> yeah 20:39:01 <MrsB> there's still some time, but not much :) 20:39:52 <filip> about "contribute" page: if we only remove time parts and leave the tasks part and the rest I can do it 20:40:09 <grenoya> the rest is rubish 20:40:44 <MrsB> it just makes it sound as if people need alot of spare time to contribute at the moment 20:40:47 <grenoya> talking about team that don't exist anymore, about dealing with agrated data... 20:42:05 <filip> many web pages are also still inconsistent with alignement 20:42:19 <grenoya> I'll send a mail to Atelier about press release and web pages 20:42:24 <ennael> ok 20:42:52 <grenoya> I'd like to say 1 thing 20:43:17 <ennael> yep ? 20:43:27 <grenoya> starting next week, I won't be in charge of Atelier anymore, it will be sebsebsebb and schultz 20:44:20 <MrsB> you've done great things grenoya, I hope they'll continue with what you've started 20:44:36 <ennael> are you leaving atelier ? 20:45:04 <grenoya> no, not leaving Atelier, nor Mageia :) 20:45:15 <ennael> phew ok :) 20:46:14 <sebsebsebb> Yes carry on doing things as part of the team :) we need a good team 20:46:37 <MrsB> you'll need to keep making sure things get done sebsebsebb 20:46:39 <ennael> if you take in charge web site I guess it would be nice to have you still in council meetings 20:46:54 <sebsebsebb> MrsB yep 20:47:01 <DavidWHodgins> I'd be in favour of that. 20:47:05 <grenoya> ennael: I'll try :) 20:47:09 <ennael> great :) 20:47:29 <ennael> ok next one 20:47:43 <ennael> #topic i18n team todo list for mageia 5 20:47:48 <ennael> people around ? 20:48:46 <filip> Akien and me 20:48:52 <ennael> ok :) 20:48:56 <ennael> don't hide :) 20:49:03 <filip> ;) 20:49:10 <ennael> ok so first thing is about distro translations 20:49:33 <ennael> do we need to rebuild all drakx* for new translations ? 20:49:47 <filip> despite string freeze we had some commits 20:50:05 <filip> but tmb already added most of them 20:50:37 <ennael> can you please just review what is needed to be pushed 20:50:37 <filip> there is a big difference in TX and our git as we don't sync automatically yet 20:50:51 <ennael> to avoid last minute updates 20:51:00 <filip> how much time do we have? 20:51:27 <ennael> well it would be nice to stop updates after RC 20:51:43 <ennael> unless typos in installer 20:52:00 <filip> I created a page for tx vs. git: 20:52:02 <filip> http://www.mageia.org/langs/report_tx_git.php 20:52:21 <filip> but translators on Transifex are often unresponsive 20:52:38 <filip> so we can't check if we should commit or not 20:52:56 <filip> as some don't use TX and just use git 20:53:12 <Akien> That's an issue, but IMO if translators from Tx don't bother contact the project that they translate, we don't really have to make sure that their translations get into the release now 20:53:20 <filip> it's a "not yet solved issue" in our team 20:53:46 <Akien> I'll try to check whether we have translations committed into git that would need some rebuilds 20:53:48 <ennael> ok so some discussions and solutions after 5 is out 20:53:51 <ennael> ok 20:54:11 <ennael> then we need team for all pages for mageia 5 20:54:12 <Akien> Yes, we really need to find a solution for this problem, is growing bigger and bigger (as we expected when switching to Transifex) 20:54:29 <ennael> wiki pages, web site 20:54:44 <ennael> on wiki: release notes, errata 20:54:52 <ennael> and web site to be checked with grenoya 20:55:24 <filip> another challenge is that both of us won't apply for team leaders anymore 20:55:57 <ennael> anybody applying? 20:56:16 <filip> not yet 20:56:33 <filip> regarding mga5 web pages leuhmanu still need content ;) 20:56:42 <filip> so it can be translated 20:56:48 <Akien> Yes we'll have to grab some active contributors and force them to step up :p 20:57:17 <ennael> just to not forget it :) 20:57:34 <Akien> If nobody steps up I'll probably continue to lead i18n, but I intend to be more active in the dev team leadership and I don't want to keep two places in the council ;) 20:58:18 <ennael> we will all finish in psywchiatric hospital :) 20:58:32 <Akien> :-D 20:58:32 <filip> aren't we there yet ;) 20:58:45 <ennael> ok anything else to be listed for i18n ? 20:59:34 <filip> we're still waiting for wiki update for better l10n 21:00:08 <Akien> Yep, we'll push this as a feature request for mga6 I guess 21:00:13 <ennael> maybe we could ask maat for this 21:00:24 <ennael> a good way to include him in sysadmin team 21:02:14 <ennael> ok anything else ? 21:02:47 <Akien> Not from me 21:03:00 <ennael> ok 21:03:40 <ennael> #topic docteam todo list for mageia 5 21:03:46 <ennael> docteam around? 21:04:06 <lebarhon> papoteur and me 21:04:34 <ennael> ok :) 21:04:39 <ennael> your turn then :) 21:05:28 <lebarhon> I don't know if papoteur wanted to say something? 21:06:01 <lebarhon> I can say we are still runing after the missing screenshots 21:06:23 <MrsB> is there a list somewhere of what you still need? 21:06:24 <lebarhon> some of them arrived this week 21:06:33 <ennael> yep a list would be nice 21:06:52 <MrsB> we'll be testing RC ISOs shortly so could possibly ask people to take some 21:06:59 <lebarhon> yes Marje send a list on the ml 21:07:20 <MrsB> could oyu put it on a wiki page somewhere? 21:07:33 <ennael> we could also send it to other ML 21:07:39 <MrsB> yes or that 21:07:40 <lebarhon> they are translated SC not the original one 21:08:12 <lebarhon> we are up to date for english SC 21:08:27 <MrsB> QA come from all over the world so possibly can help out 21:09:00 <MrsB> it'd need a list though so we can ask anybody using the language to take them 21:09:18 <ennael> #action create a wiki page for missing screenshots 21:09:26 <lebarhon> ok 21:09:29 <ennael> then we can delete in list when it's done 21:09:33 <MrsB> yeah 21:09:49 <lebarhon> I am also trying to have some wiki pages about UEFi 21:10:02 <lebarhon> It is great Mageia 5 feature 21:10:10 <MrsB> I'm not sure how uefi will end up, it may change still 21:10:19 <MrsB> tmb will be able to advise oyu though 21:10:31 <MrsB> he did say he was going to update the existing page 21:11:03 <ennael> yep it has all changed since mageia 4 21:11:16 <lebarhon> Uefi is working, the problem is may be the USB stick 21:11:20 <MrsB> yeah 21:11:28 <ennael> menu was fixed 21:11:31 <Akien> I guess it's probably easier for tmb to just write an email with updated instructions, and let the documentation guys shape that into a well-formatted howto on the wiki 21:11:46 <MrsB> contact tmb about his plans for it, he'll be able to give you some info 21:11:53 <ennael> marja did test it on sunday and tmb has updated tarball to fix last bug 21:11:55 <MrsB> yep, as Akien says 21:12:03 <lebarhon> tmb already updated the wiki page 21:12:10 <Akien> Ah nice 21:12:33 <Akien> About the whole procedure the prepare the USB stick, papoteur made it all very simple with a new feature in isodumper 0.40 21:12:41 <lebarhon> but formating is a problem without isodumper 21:12:49 <Akien> MrsB: Do you think we could try to push isodumper 0.40 as an update to mga4? 21:13:12 <lebarhon> it would be veru convenient 21:13:22 <lebarhon> *very 21:13:40 <MrsB> yes, i saw that discussion. It depends what the final state of uefi will be. If it will still need an appropriately named device etc 21:13:42 <DavidWHodgins> Akien: I think we should. 21:13:48 <lebarhon> actually, we need Mageia 5 to install Mageia 5 21:14:05 <Akien> MrsB: True, we need to make sure that the current feature made by papoteur will be the one needed for mga5 21:14:08 <MrsB> we should update it though IMHO whereever we can do 21:14:42 <Akien> I'll push it to core/updates_testing for the time being so that it can be used to test the RC already 21:14:56 <MrsB> ok yeah, good idea 21:14:56 <Akien> (testing the isodumper update at the same time) 21:15:19 <MrsB> do that tonight Akien please if possible 21:15:22 <Akien> Yep 21:16:27 <ennael> anything else ? 21:16:31 <lebarhon> We also have a wiki page to show where are the boot options with Grub2 21:16:31 <MrsB> we should push it even if it's not the final state of uefi as it'll enable wider testing in the community 21:18:49 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/How_to_set_up_kernel_options 21:19:07 <lebarhon> Thx papoteur 21:19:10 <papoteur> A great contribution of Lebarhon 21:19:22 <lebarhon> an idea from Doktor 21:20:04 <MrsB> that's a useful page! 21:20:18 <MrsB> i'll add it to QA team portal too 21:21:13 <MrsB> Is there anything else on docteam todo list? 21:21:36 <lebarhon> The official will be updated after the release, I think... 21:21:48 <lebarhon> *Official documentation 21:22:02 <MrsB> after RC? 21:22:40 <lebarhon> Rc is tomorrow, after Mageia 5 release 21:23:06 <DavidWHodgins> lebarhon: We have to discuss the schedule later in this meeting. 21:23:33 <lebarhon> Ok 21:23:59 <MrsB> we may not be able to as Anne has had to leave unexpectedly 21:24:36 <DavidWHodgins> Perhaps we should do that on the mailing list instead, then. 21:24:55 <MrsB> One question. Why would the documentation for release be left to after release? 21:25:38 <DavidWHodgins> The errata can't be completed till qa testing of the final iso images is done, or at least nearly done. 21:26:46 <lebarhon> The procedure for UEFI installation with USB stick is still in test 21:27:35 <MrsB> ahh I see. Well tmb will be able to tell you the plans for that so should be able to complete it before final release. 21:28:05 <MrsB> shame he's not here today 21:28:42 <MrsB> Is there anything else you'd like to add for docteam lebarhon? 21:28:54 <lebarhon> no, thanks 21:29:14 <MrsB> so who's left.. 21:29:29 <DavidWHodgins> Packagers and qa. 21:29:36 <MrsB> #topic QA team todo list for Mageia 5 21:30:01 <MrsB> I guess our todo list is just to test the ISOs and keep on top of stable updates 21:30:08 <MrsB> more of the same 21:30:29 <DavidWHodgins> Ws have 6 security bugs (2 critical), and 4 bug fixes to test, hopefully before the RC iso images are ready. 21:31:11 <MrsB> you can whizz through those later :) 21:31:18 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 21:32:04 <MrsB> Packagers is Anne's department really so we'll have to skip that todo list, and sysadmin todo list 21:33:08 <MrsB> Please everybody try your best to get things done so we can be ready for the release ! 21:33:26 <DavidWHodgins> Perhaps we should have another council meeting in the next few days to revise the schedule. 21:33:37 <MrsB> one sec 21:33:41 <ennael> back 21:33:48 <ennael> sorry :) 21:33:49 <Akien> Just in time :) 21:34:03 <MrsB> #topic Packagers todo list for Mageia 5 21:34:10 <MrsB> wb :) 21:34:32 <ennael> kids trying to eat spaghetti without chewing give a bad result :) 21:34:34 <DavidWHodgins> There are 24 release blockers still open (plus 7 trackers). 21:34:41 <MrsB> ouch 21:34:42 <DavidWHodgins> lol 21:34:49 <ennael> ok so 21:34:57 <ennael> on release critical bugs front 21:35:26 <ennael> still pushing some guys on specific bugs to find some solutions 21:35:58 <ennael> we did some tests already on EFI 21:36:19 <ennael> and we may provide some temporary isos for tests 21:37:09 <ennael> we still have the window moving pb in installer 21:37:20 <ennael> due to some gtk3 tricks and no solution for now 21:37:24 <MrsB> we had some HW issues too didn't we 21:38:08 <ennael> wich one? 21:38:39 <MrsB> the broadwell and some amd gpu's 21:39:16 <ennael> do we have an opened bug? 21:39:51 <MrsB> we do for the amd's, the broadwell was the phoronix report 21:40:06 <MrsB> s/report/review/ 21:41:32 <wilcal> tmb is not here. Will the UEFI function work in Vbox in the RC? 21:41:40 <ennael> wilcal: yes 21:42:03 <ennael> pb with broadwell is we need the hardware 21:42:51 <DavidWHodgins> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mageia-5-Intel-Broadwell-NUC&utm_source=feedbur 21:42:52 <[mbot> [ Mageia 5 Graphics Woes With Intel Broadwell HD Graphics - Phoronix ] 21:42:53 <MrsB> yeah 21:43:04 <DavidWHodgins> Note that tmb commented on the review. 21:43:17 <DavidWHodgins> So, he's at least aware of it. 21:44:05 <MrsB> there's at least one update we need to push to mga4 before release too 21:44:26 <MrsB> added onto the tracker 21:44:31 <ennael> indeed he replied on dev ML also 21:44:59 <ennael> but still we need somebody with proper hardware to test 21:45:15 <MrsB> perhaps the phoronix guy will test for us 21:45:42 <MrsB> I'm willing if somebody wants todonate one :) 21:46:21 <ennael> well we could also buy one 21:46:32 <ennael> that may be a use for mageia money 21:47:05 <MrsB> it might be something we should consider for other HW, something we can discuss 21:47:39 <MrsB> not somethign we've done so far 21:47:49 <ennael> that one is quite urgent 21:48:29 <MrsB> how much are they? any idea? 21:50:45 <DavidWHodgins> The ThinkPad X1 Carbon Ultrabook is listed at US $1,304.10 21:51:11 <ennael> looks like NUC have it also 21:51:29 <ennael> small boxes, about 300€ 21:52:00 <MrsB> that looks like what the phoronix guy was testing on 21:52:37 <ennael> ok then it's not that much and it could be used for demos in mageia booth 21:53:07 <MrsB> yeah a good size for that 21:53:21 <ennael> if nobody is against then we can order one 21:53:29 <ennael> and send to tmb to play with :) 21:53:44 <MrsB> yeah that sounds sensible 21:53:49 <DavidWHodgins> Hmm the intel nuc model phornix used is not listed on the intel site. The ones that are listed range from US $128 to $419. 21:54:07 <DavidWHodgins> I'm for it. 21:54:15 <MrsB> Anybody against the idea? 21:54:33 <grenoya> not me 21:54:56 <wilcal> sounds good to me 21:55:13 <filip> +1 21:55:18 <ennael> ok then 21:55:20 <MrsB> let' do it 21:55:22 <MrsB> s 21:55:24 <ennael> I will see that with tmb 21:56:21 <ennael> still we need gtk dev around to help with GNOME and moregenerally on GTK 21:56:30 <ennael> that will be discussed after 5 is out 21:57:33 <MrsB> so we ought to discuss scheduling 21:57:44 <ennael> yep 21:57:48 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like in addition to the nuc, have to buy ram and an ssd drive for it too. 21:58:19 <ennael> DavidWHodgins: yep I will have a look anyway we need some demo stuff so we can go for it 21:58:21 <DavidWHodgins> Obviously, RC is not going to be released publically tomorrow 21:58:36 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_5_Development 21:59:16 <ennael> anyway if we count about 3 weeks after beta 3 it will be around 07/03 21:59:20 <ennael> wdyt? 21:59:37 <MrsB> that allows about 10 days, so ideal 21:59:59 <MrsB> release freeze happened today too so we can update that date 22:00:14 <DavidWHodgins> Hopefully the release blockers can be fixed by then, or decisions made to change them to errata items. 22:00:17 <Akien> Should we really fix a new date, or should we consider that we'll *release when it's ready*? 22:00:40 <DavidWHodgins> Akien: The new date can be changed again, if needed. 22:00:40 <wilcal> IMO the UEFI thingy is still unpredictable 22:00:41 <grenoya> Akien: we need at least for communication 22:00:51 <Akien> I'd say we should work on this RC until we find it good enough, release the RC and then say that final release will be RC + 3 weeks 22:01:05 <wilcal> Sounds like a start 22:01:55 <ennael> have a look on wiki page 22:02:09 <grenoya> :) 22:02:29 <MrsB> that gives 10 days to get RC stable 22:02:40 <MrsB> you'll have to bring out the matches 22:02:59 <MrsB> 8 days even 22:03:24 <ennael> let see... we need deadline to remotivate people 22:03:35 <DavidWHodgins> So, March 7th for RC, and March 28th for final? 22:05:01 <MrsB> at the same time we want a short release freeze if possible 22:05:07 <ennael> yep 22:05:19 <ennael> I would wwait for RC out to fix final release date 22:05:50 <MrsB> yes, that's the date that will make headlines so it's the mor eimportant to fix 22:06:17 <ennael> but if RC is ok final release can be done quite quickly after 22:06:32 <DavidWHodgins> That's true. 22:07:05 <MrsB> so how long wo you think it'll take to get RC ready Anne? 22:07:08 <MrsB> do* 22:07:45 <ennael> maybe we can start building some isos now to have an idea 22:07:56 <ennael> tmb told me he will build some tonight or tomorrow 22:08:01 <ennael> I can build some tonight 22:08:11 <MrsB> it's also the release blcokers 22:08:18 <MrsB> blockers 22:09:24 <wilcal> My Tues ( tomorrow ) is mostly open 22:11:58 <ennael> ok will review on dev some of the bugs to shake people 22:12:13 <ennael> Akien: if you want to give a hand do not hesitate :) 22:12:35 <grenoya> ennael: training your future deputy? :) 22:12:54 <ennael> or leadr :) 22:12:57 <ennael> leader :) 22:13:00 <grenoya> :) 22:13:08 <ennael> anyway working on this in coming hours/days 22:13:26 <DavidWHodgins> Just fyi, my internet connection usually starts dropping anywhere between 5 pm and 8 pm local time, and stays like that until morning, so I'm on borrowed time here right now. :-( 22:14:40 <MrsB> Lets get some ISOs built then and start the process. More seems to happen when ISOs are being worked on anyway. 22:14:47 <ennael> anyway working on this in coming hours/daysep 22:14:49 <ennael> oups 22:14:51 <ennael> yep 22:15:00 <MrsB> shall we aim for 7th? 22:15:52 <ennael> let's try it at least as a deadline 22:16:10 <DavidWHodgins> I think it's reasonable. Have to make sure packagers know that means blockers fixed by March 1st. 22:16:43 <MrsB> that will allow almost two weeks which sets people a challenge :) 22:17:24 <MrsB> still need to bring out the matches 22:18:33 * ennael thinks MrsB loves matches as a management tool :) 22:18:44 <DavidWHodgins> lol 22:18:48 <MrsB> and big sticks 22:18:56 * ennael don't want to know anything :) 22:19:06 <MrsB> :D 22:19:19 <Akien> ennael: Sure, I'll make another pass on the release critical bugs 22:19:19 <ennael> so we spoke about packagers. 22:19:29 <ennael> Does QA want to add something? 22:19:41 <DavidWHodgins> Not that I can think of. 22:19:52 <MrsB> we did ours, there's nothing much different for us, just more of the same 22:19:53 <wilcal> Some time with the new RC 22:20:03 <ennael> ok 22:20:15 <ennael> so I guess this is the end of this meeting 22:20:21 <ennael> any comment, question? 22:20:38 <MrsB> none here, thanks anne 22:21:07 <Akien> Thanks for leading this meeting through :) 22:21:14 <wilcal> thanks 22:21:24 <ennael> ok then keep on the good work and see you next week 22:21:29 <ennael> #endmeeting