19:36:04 <ennael> #startmeeting
19:36:04 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon Jul  7 19:36:04 2014 UTC.  The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:36:07 <wilcal> QA's always shows up  :-))
19:36:13 <MrsB> \o/
19:36:20 <ennael> :)
19:36:32 <ennael> hi grenoya sebsebseb wilcal and MrsB
19:36:38 <grenoya> hi!
19:37:01 <ennael> looks like women are now dominating mageia :)
19:37:15 <grenoya> :))
19:37:39 <wilcal> Always have been. They're really in charge
19:38:01 <ennael> ok so tonight's meeting is about team review and alpha1 release mainly
19:38:18 <sebsebseb> hi
19:38:23 <ennael> #topic atelier review
19:38:28 <ennael> grenoya: your turn :)
19:38:32 <MrsB> morning sebsebseb
19:38:37 <sebsebseb> evening MrsB
19:38:41 <wilcal> Hi ya sebsebseb
19:38:52 <grenoya> sorry for the presentation, it's gonna be pastes
19:38:55 <grenoya> Web: we have a new contributor and had a meeting to be prepared for mga5. WIP.
19:38:56 <sebsebseb> yeah hi wilcal and now grenoya 's turn
19:39:16 <grenoya> Artwork contest: A blog post have been published to explain Flickr new policy and propose to those don't have and don't want to have a Yahoo account to sent their propositions to artwork@m.o
19:39:25 <grenoya> That brings us back to the "definitive solution" discussion. I'm pushing to wait for the sysadmins to answer us when they have a more clear view of what they can do (they have a lot of work already with new box)
19:39:31 <grenoya> Mostly because I believe that we should not start to have bits of mageia on boxes that don't belong to the project and that's not managed by us.
19:39:39 <grenoya> But with the late changes in sysadmin team, do you think my way is the best? should I keep going in that way?
19:40:05 <ennael> sure
19:40:14 <ennael> give us some time to reorganize things a bit
19:40:27 <ennael> matt is joining sysadmins and may give a hand on that part
19:40:29 <ennael> maat
19:41:11 <MrsB> maat has been setting up new valstar today
19:41:15 <grenoya> OK, that's fine for me.
19:41:17 <ennael> yep
19:41:30 <grenoya> I know they have lots of hard work comming
19:41:34 <filip_> hi there
19:41:39 <MrsB> morning filip_
19:41:53 <grenoya> I can be patient, and I'll ask the others to do the same :)
19:41:59 <grenoya> filip_: hi!
19:42:08 <ennael> ok :)
19:42:47 <grenoya> that's all I had to say :)
19:43:13 <MrsB> i don't think there's anything too wrong with saying send to an email address anyway, as long as they all get a nice reply saying where they can see their work displayed etc
19:43:28 <MrsB> could maybe have a page on mageia.org
19:44:05 <grenoya> MrsB: a page on mageia.org means space to put the propositions behind
19:44:18 <grenoya> which I'm not sure we have yet
19:44:40 <MrsB> we can't be that short of space surely
19:46:02 <grenoya> it more a question of having space on the good box (blog one doesn't have for example)
19:46:21 <MrsB> Yeah, i mean the main mageia.org.. like mageia.org/artwork
19:46:22 <grenoya> but only sysadmins can answer us
19:47:16 <MrsB> just a static page. they come in via email and get added to the page. That would help for now maybe?
19:47:46 <grenoya> what do you mean by "get added to the page"?
19:48:04 <MrsB> as an image on a static webpage
19:48:18 <grenoya> you mean people sent a email and the attachment is added on the page?
19:48:22 <MrsB> yes
19:49:18 <grenoya> that would be a lot of developpemnt for webteam and such things already exist (wordpress and mediawiki plugins)
19:49:37 <MrsB> ok, just suggesting it as an immediate solution
19:50:03 <grenoya> the idea proposed by Max (iirc) and agreed by tmb was to use one of those and the discussion ended on the space problem
19:50:35 <ennael> grrr sorry connection just stopped
19:51:29 <grenoya> I hope the new box and maybe some service displacement would solve the space problem and allow the installation of such a plugin
19:51:54 <MrsB> website is completely within your control is all, rather than waiting for sysadmin etc. The new server and sysamdin time is the ideal though yes
19:52:28 <MrsB> the trouble with 'making do' with a temporary solution is it tends to become permanent though
19:53:08 <grenoya> I just fear that it'll take more time to develop such a solution than wait for the sysadm to solve the problem (or worse: it may not be read before the end of the contest)
19:53:56 <grenoya> and one rule in a dev life is to not reinvent what already exist and could be used
19:54:13 <MrsB> yep, i only suggested it as an alternative to waiting :)
19:54:43 <grenoya> MrsB: I understant your point, the mail to artwork@ is already the temporary solution
19:55:04 <grenoya> and we should not change several times during the same contest or we'll lose the users :)
19:56:07 <MrsB> yes thats very true
19:56:53 <grenoya> so for me: either sysadmins can plan something (not asking it for now) or we stay like that to the end of the contest and be prepared for the next one
19:56:57 <MrsB> i meant manually added though, not writing an application to automate it
19:57:50 <grenoya> so it's the same as now :)
19:58:15 <MrsB> apart from not being on flickr, as you said ^^ up there
19:58:37 <ennael> back. Hope to stay connected more than 30s :)
19:58:39 <MrsB> it's only a suggestion though, take it or leave it
19:59:16 <grenoya> staying on flickr means that part of the users can do it by themselves, if we move to your solution, we'll have all the work to do :)
19:59:58 <MrsB> i think we're talking solutions to different problems, nevermind.
20:01:00 <ennael> just read the backlog. Thanks grenoya for your summary
20:01:14 <ennael> and anyway we will see when sysadmins are back on time
20:03:17 <grenoya> did we lost ennael again?
20:04:02 <ennael> nope I was reading the beginning :)
20:04:19 <ennael> ok
20:04:27 <ennael> #topic QAteam review
20:05:00 <MrsB> QA team for once is on top of things \o/
20:05:04 <ennael> :)
20:05:32 <MrsB> I posted everywhere requesting people get involved with testing and we had a good response
20:05:44 <wilcal> Seems we did good
20:06:06 <wilcal> Posting messages on the Forum seemed to help
20:06:09 <MrsB> we had 4 or 5 new people join the team, time will tell if they stay and continue as theyve started, but so far so good!
20:06:11 <ennael> that's great well done
20:06:44 <MrsB> we've managed to keep on top of the updates as well as test ISOs this time, which is a huge relief
20:07:05 <ennael> indeed
20:07:09 <MrsB> normally we release ISOs and have no rest as there is an enormous pile of updates ready for testing
20:07:56 <MrsB> Mageia 5 Alpha1 has issues but for alpha1 I think we'll be ok to release it
20:08:12 <ennael> ok when do you think we can have final decision ?
20:08:13 <MrsB> we're still completing the testing so will decide tomorrow
20:08:19 <MrsB> if that's ok
20:08:32 <ennael> ok
20:08:43 <MrsB> I'll let you know ASAP
20:08:52 <ennael> ok thanks
20:08:53 <wilcal> M5 right now is actually a pretty good Alpha 1
20:09:06 <ennael> alphas are always ok
20:09:15 <ennael> things get worth with beta :)
20:09:43 <ennael> worst
20:10:00 <grenoya> :)
20:10:08 <MrsB> Currently the major issues are that proprietary video drivers don't work or have issues, but free drivers are OK. Gnome doesn't start X with nvidia gpu with either though. Apart from that there are numerous display issues in the installer due to the gtk upgrades ongoing at the moment.
20:11:00 <MrsB> I think the extra time we allowed before the first alpha was actually a good hting and something we can consider next time around too
20:11:21 <MrsB> I don't think we would have had any benefit from an earlier alpha
20:12:04 <MrsB> normally alpha1 is pretty stable as not much has changed but this is a real alpha!
20:12:36 <MrsB> One problem we have at the moment is knowing what to do about backports
20:13:03 <MrsB> we have one (new package being introduced) which is ready to be pushed, but we're not sure how to do so
20:13:53 <wilcal> doktor5000 on Cauldron ( M5 ): Caution: Hot, bubbling magic inside. May explode or cook your kittens!
20:14:11 <ennael> :)
20:14:15 <MrsB> will it need an advisory, where would the advisory be displayed, do we need a new bugzilla keyword for validated_backport or is validated_update good enough, mga-advisories (the tool we use to create the advisories) doesn't yet have a backport setting IINM
20:16:13 <ennael> can we discuss this on sysadmins ML ?
20:16:32 <MrsB> I emailed qa-discuss about this earlier so i'll forward it there too, ok
20:17:03 <MrsB> apart from this, everything is good in QA :) *touch wood*
20:17:08 <ennael> :) nice !
20:17:18 <ennael> ok who's next ?
20:17:21 <grenoya> very nice to read :)
20:17:27 <wilcal> qa is back keep'n up and hold'n on
20:17:27 <MrsB> yeah!
20:17:54 <wilcal> Need to have MrsB report here on the tmb status though and how that's gonna effect QA
20:18:35 <ennael> we are working on finding people to share the work for kernel
20:18:41 <ennael> isos build and sysadmin
20:19:24 <MrsB> It'll take a few days to sort out i think. There are a few packages waiting to be pushed though if anybody needs to practise :)
20:19:54 <wilcal> tmb is an enormous asset for Mageia. It was a pleasure to meet him at FOSDEM
20:20:31 <ennael> MrsB: anything else for QA?
20:20:34 <MrsB> we need a cloning machine
20:20:42 <papoteur> ;)
20:21:03 <MrsB> Nothing else from QA thanks
20:21:16 <wilcal> Nada here
20:21:23 <ennael> ok :)
20:21:26 <ennael> who's next ?
20:21:32 <MrsB> Oh
20:21:34 <grenoya> ennael: you :)
20:21:51 <MrsB> KDE update, that's more you though I think ennael really
20:21:59 <ennael> ?
20:22:11 <MrsB> the discussion over the kde update for mga4
20:22:34 <MrsB> neoclust is goin to write an email to dev i believe
20:22:42 <ennael> oh yes we have to discuss thos tomorro
20:22:42 <ennael> w
20:23:50 <ennael> but thanks for the reminder :)
20:23:52 <MrsB> really done now :)
20:24:17 <papoteur> I for docteam
20:24:25 <ennael> #topic docteam review
20:25:08 <papoteur> we started to have a look with grenoya to add nav bar on the documentation pages.
20:25:18 <ennael> go :)
20:26:03 <papoteur> camil indicates us wherre to put modification. But the result is not yet probant.
20:26:26 <papoteur> we must investigate more.
20:27:29 <papoteur> We also continue to update some pages in documentation., like rpmdrak-edit-media
20:28:13 <papoteur> On how to manage cdrom sources.
20:28:53 <papoteur> I think it's all, not too big.
20:30:28 <papoteur> grenoya: have you something to add ?
20:31:07 <grenoya> nope
20:31:40 <ennael> ok :)
20:32:48 <ennael> #topic packagers review
20:33:20 <ennael> ok we should have a meeting tomorrow evening
20:33:33 <ennael> about features planning, alpha releases
20:33:55 <ennael> still we need to find a way to reorganize things for the kernel
20:34:30 <ennael> dicussions are in progress and we hope to find something so that we can go on without too many difficulties
20:35:46 <MrsB> anything we can do to help?
20:36:29 <maat> hi there
20:36:32 <ennael> well we will see how we can organize this we may have to speak together to organize also updates management
20:36:47 <filip_> hi maat
20:36:53 <MrsB> morning maat
20:36:59 <grenoya> maat: hi!
20:37:17 <MrsB> maat get's todays supply of biscuits i think :)
20:37:36 <maat> ^^
20:38:42 <MrsB> I've made sure all the updates have an advisory uploaded today
20:38:50 <ennael> ok
20:39:02 <ennael> we need to find somebody to push it
20:39:48 <MrsB> i'll try to keep a check on that, that'll help a bit. It's a pain to do but one day wilcal will get his ssh sorted out and do them too
20:40:14 <wilcal> :-0
20:40:26 <ennael> waht about this?
20:40:26 <wilcal> David come back
20:40:30 <MrsB> :)
20:40:30 <ennael> please remind me
20:41:42 <ennael> ?
20:41:45 <MrsB> ok, there are a few ready now http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates tmb sent an email a while ago about how to do the pushing. He might have changed it as his commits have changed this week or so
20:41:48 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
20:42:39 <MrsB> if we can ensure all updates have the advisory uploaded already that will be one less thing for whoever does the pushing to worry about
20:43:28 <ennael> ok I will have a look on it and find a victim^w^wŵ volunteer :)
20:46:54 <ennael> I'd like us to organize some bugs hunting on environment integration
20:47:04 <ennael> we had many bugs because of this in mageia 4
20:47:21 <ennael> working now on this may help to avoid zillions of bugs in last minute
20:48:01 <MrsB> it might be worthwhile to wait until gtk has settled a bit, good idea though
20:48:53 <ennael> yep gtk is a big piece to have
20:49:23 <ennael> but all other environements still need some love and usuaslly it's done in the last 2 weeks which is a bit short :)
20:49:51 <MrsB> yes it'll help alot
20:49:57 <ennael> ok
20:50:04 <ennael> that's all for now for packagers
20:50:25 <ennael> #topic sysadmin review
20:50:53 <ennael> some words. we also have to work here to find people to work on tmb's tasks
20:51:16 <ennael> at the moment pterjan, coling and dmorgan are the one implied in sysadmin.
20:51:41 <ennael> maat is new comer and may be integrated much faster than expected
20:52:18 <MrsB> that much is a good thing
20:52:38 <ennael> :)
20:53:00 <ennael> maat: still around?
20:53:14 <maat> yup
20:53:22 <maat> i'm there
20:53:39 * maat new \o/
20:53:47 <MrsB> hurray :)
20:53:56 <ennael> can you tell us quickly what is in progress in Marseille ?
20:54:00 <maat> ok
20:54:13 <maat> the new server is up and running
20:54:31 <grenoya> good :)
20:54:34 <maat> valstar (new one)
20:54:41 <MrsB> great work
20:54:49 <maat> ssh opened on the internal network
20:54:57 <maat> idrac ok
20:55:18 <maat> we can start sync between old and new valstar
20:55:31 <ennael> when does it planned ?
20:55:46 <ennael> s/does/is/
20:55:52 <maat> colin and pterjan will be doing this
20:56:03 <ennael> ok
20:56:05 <maat> maybe it's already started
20:56:22 <maat> now
20:56:39 <maat> the server is just on the others
20:56:47 <maat> not completely fixed
20:57:08 <maat> once it's all ok and able to replae valstar
20:57:19 <maat> i'll have to fix it properly
20:57:28 <maat> and remove old machines
20:57:33 <ennael> ok
20:57:34 <maat> for others
20:57:40 <maat> jonund is dead
20:57:51 <maat> no vga
20:57:57 <maat> no keyborard
20:58:04 <ennael> is the new valstar supposed to replace both of them ?
20:58:09 <maat> dead motherboard
20:58:21 <maat> i dont know yet
20:58:25 <ennael> ok
20:58:28 <maat> i new :D
20:58:32 <ennael> :)
20:58:45 <ennael> ok thanks anyway for the work today and before
20:58:48 <ennael> it will help a lot
20:58:51 <maat> for sucuck
20:59:06 <maat> i've been able to reset password and connect
20:59:18 <maat> a lot of things are missing
20:59:46 <maat> if sysadmins are ok with that i could try a local upgrade to mga4
21:00:02 <ennael> I let you speak with them
21:00:10 <maat> if done with dvd or usb key
21:00:33 <maat> i think it should bring it back to life
21:01:34 <maat> ok i'll check with them
21:01:46 <maat> by the way i took pictures of the machines
21:02:07 <maat> so that everybody knows where they are
21:02:15 <maat> and how things are organized
21:02:23 <ennael> good idea indded
21:02:27 <ennael> indeed
21:04:05 <maat> i think that's all for council
21:04:11 <ennael> ok thanks :)
21:04:14 <maat> i have more details for sysadmins
21:04:38 <maat> but here that would be too much i think
21:04:44 <maat> you're welcome
21:04:52 <ennael> yep just mail on sysadmins ML
21:05:08 <maat> yes :)
21:05:22 <ennael> any other questions ? comment ?
21:05:46 <grenoya> nope
21:05:53 <MrsB> i'd liek to say thanks from mageia for going there and doing it
21:06:06 <filip_> +1
21:06:08 <grenoya> +1
21:07:18 <ennael> ok then thanks for attending tonight and see you in 2 weeks
21:07:26 <wilcal> I'm good
21:07:30 <ennael> #endmeeting