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20:39:11 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon Feb 17 20:39:11 2014 UTC.  The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:39:27 <ennael> hi all and thanks for being there. Sorry for the cancelled meeting last week
20:40:20 <filip_> ennael: healh is even before Mageia ;)
20:40:43 <filip_> s/healh/health
20:40:49 <ennael> #topic Mageia 4 and after sale service
20:41:09 <ennael> so Mageia 4 is out, let speak about syslinux issue
20:41:49 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12549
20:41:51 <[mbot> [ Bug 12549 Can not install Mageia from DVD, but good from USB flash ]
20:41:52 <ennael> as a reminder
20:42:40 <sebsebseb> hi
20:43:15 <sebsebseb> I seem to get effected by by that kind of issue on a lap top here by the wy
20:44:22 <ennael> tmb: so it seems the bug fix is working?
20:44:54 <tmb> yes, it seems to work, so we are good to go for a re-spin of the isos....
20:44:59 <tmb> but...
20:45:28 <ennael> there is always a but
20:45:29 <ennael> :)
20:46:05 <tmb> if I waould be grumpy... I'd like to point out that no-one with affected hw did test isos during beta / RC so they can also blame themselves :)
20:46:15 <tmb> *would be...
20:46:47 <ennael> ah indeed :)
20:46:49 <ennael> well ok
20:47:03 <ennael> do we have all the updates ready we would like to include in these isos ?
20:47:45 <tmb> an other nice thing with the respin is that we got nvidia issue fixed, and also a older bug 6077 that affected some hw
20:48:08 <tmb> so the respin should hopefully be all good :)
20:48:39 <tmb> and I dont know of any other release_critical fix waiting at this point
20:48:44 <ennael> #info syslinux big is fixed and new isos will also include bug fixes for nvidia and #6077
20:49:02 <sebsebseb> Mageia 4 Live CD's from FOSDEM won't  even boot up on a 10 years old lap top here,  other distro's such as openSUS come up with the  ISOLnux type error  or someting similar from what I remember.  Tried quite a e few Live CD's on that lap top, from the last two years all useless,  Give it an old Ubuntu 6.06 Live CD on the other hand for example and boots fine.
20:49:03 <ennael> Akien: anything to add on this?
20:49:15 <sebsebseb> lap top from 2005 above
20:49:43 <tmb> ennael, I just need to update the efi stub package on rabbit before you can create the 64bit DVD
20:49:51 <ennael> ok
20:50:01 <Akien> ennael: No particularly, we now have someone on qa with affected hardware, that will be useful
20:50:09 <ennael> so I will rebuild it tomorrow morning I guess
20:50:26 <ennael> Akien: can you see with QA team for tests on these isos ?
20:50:33 * doktor5000_ points out that the p11-kit update should also be included ;)
20:50:33 <tmb> yeah, I think we can go with what we have.
20:50:36 <ennael> I will mail qa-discusse as soon as it's ready
20:50:45 <Akien> ennael: ok
20:50:53 <tmb> doktor5000_, thats the "nvidia issue"
20:51:05 <doktor5000_> tmb: exactly :)
20:51:13 <sebsebseb> Akien: I been having some disc burning issues ecently, or I Woul be testing a test  ISO soon on the lap top I mentioned.  although I am meant to be getting one soon that is meant to have fixes for openSUSE soon to test, because of something else
20:51:35 <tmb> we will avtually build with release + validated updates
20:52:25 <sebsebseb> seem's upstream has messed up botting on old computers
20:53:27 <tmb> I also think I'll post atleast some of the isos we rebuild on public mirror for those cc on 12549
20:53:50 <sebsebseb> yep more testers the better for stuff like that :)
20:54:52 <ennael> ok anything else we should speak about for Mageia 4 ?
20:55:37 <Akien> I think we have a good test base in MRC
20:55:47 <ennael> MRC ?
20:55:53 <Akien> Mageia Russian Community
20:55:55 <sebsebseb> I was thinking the same waht's MRCC
20:56:12 <Akien> That we access for now through AlexL
20:56:16 <sebsebseb> I think FOSDEM was interesting for Mageia 4's, with more GNOME CD's than KDE going as well :)
20:56:38 <ennael> anything else about for Mageia 4 ?
20:56:46 <sebsebseb> nope
20:57:28 <tmb> nope
20:58:21 <ennael> one last thing
20:58:29 <ennael> we have to manage post-mortem
20:58:30 <filip_> I guess space for pdf and epub files is still needed for doc team
20:58:35 <sebsebseb> and some of us wren't sure when the AGM was on so missed it, for Mageia 4
20:58:54 <ennael> packager team has started last week to work on it
20:59:09 <ennael> it would be nice if all teams can work on their own one
20:59:23 <ennael> then we can debrief it in next council meeting (in 2 weeks)
21:00:00 <filip_> svn is not ideal place for those files but I guess they are very conveniant especially for  new users
21:00:47 <filip_> ennael: that time frame is a bit short I guess
21:01:07 <ennael> 2 weeks ?
21:01:11 <filip_> yes
21:01:35 <filip_> it would be nice if we can use wiki page as before for that purpose
21:01:53 <ennael> of course you can. you do it as you want :)
21:02:08 <filip_> Akien: what do you think for i18n team? cane we do it in 2 weeks?
21:02:16 <doktor5000_> FWIW wiki page is in place https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia4_Postmortem
21:02:18 <ennael> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia4_Postmortem
21:02:20 <ennael> oups
21:02:30 <ennael> it was opened last week during packagers meeting
21:02:52 <Akien> filip_: We can try :)
21:03:32 <ennael> what I saw in previous release, if we don't do it quickly we never finalize it
21:03:42 <ennael> as we we speak about mageia 5 now
21:06:37 <tmb> yeah, lets go on
21:07:46 <ennael> #action all teams will work on post-mortem in the 2 coming week, to be reviewed in next council meeting
21:08:26 <ennael> #topic Mageia.Org association, Mageia teams and council votes and
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21:08:41 <ennael> #topic Mageia.Org association, Mageia teams and council votes and
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21:09:03 <ennael> #topic Mageia.Org association, Mageia teams and council votes and organization for 2014
21:09:06 <ennael> hum
21:14:37 <ennael> so we need to see the teams organization.
21:14:55 <ennael> meaning leader and deputy vote
21:15:12 <ennael> you can use vote tool or IRC or ML
21:17:28 <sebsebseb> yep
21:17:32 <malo> ennael: how long does each team have to do that?
21:18:03 <ennael> no fixed date but let say in coming 4 weeks ?
21:18:19 <ennael> until 17/03 the latest ?
21:18:31 <sebsebseb> sure that seems reasonable
21:19:27 <sebsebseb> March seems to be when those votes happen
21:20:20 <doktor5000_> is there a way to request more team members? we're only 3 people in forums team, vote will probably be ovious ...
21:20:24 <doktor5000_> obvious
21:21:10 <malo> doktor5000_: you should try to get more team members all year, not just for the vote :-P
21:21:15 <sebsebseb> Atelier hardly has anyone as well, but more than three people.
21:21:17 <ennael> :)
21:21:51 <doktor5000_> malo: very funny :/
21:21:56 <doktor5000_> :)
21:22:19 <malo> doktor5000_: sorry :-)
21:22:26 <filip_> doktor5000_: malo is right. but I wonder how?
21:22:49 <sebsebseb> the blog is used to try and get new members of teams for example at times
21:23:12 <sebsebseb> mailing lists and forums could be used for that as well for example
21:23:23 <filip_> sebsebseb: does it helps?
21:23:26 <ennael> doktor5000_: what about checking people who wrote the biggest number of posts and contact them ?
21:23:48 <malo> filip_: like sebsebseb says, through the blog, also by trying to hook anyone who seems remotely interested
21:23:53 <doktor5000_> I'll talk to isadora, maybe he can write up some call for contributors to post in forums and blog
21:24:00 <malo> filip_: it's the same pb for all teams by the way
21:24:01 <sebsebseb> filip_: depends,  I think Mageia in general doesn't quite have the same interest as it did when it was newer, from people
21:24:09 <doktor5000_> ennael: uhmm, that's me basically
21:24:30 <malo> filip_: in packager and QA we spent a lot of effort teaching newcomers
21:24:42 <filip_> yes doktor5000_ and BTW you're doing really great!
21:24:55 <sebsebseb> IRC can be used to get new contributers to at times
21:24:55 <malo> filip_: only a few stay though, but that's already good
21:25:08 <sebsebseb> when new people come to #mageia for example I mean
21:25:17 <malo> filip_: in a very small team it's harder to be present all the time though
21:25:29 <filip_> malo: I guess what you did what you did with videos was great magnet
21:25:52 <sebsebseb> malo: oh yeah you had some videos,  you could do some other genreal Magiea ones or somethin maybe, to get more interest out there
21:26:02 <sebsebseb> for Mageia in general
21:26:27 <malo> sebsebseb: doing better videos is still on my todo list ...
21:26:35 <malo> anyway, we are getting off topic
21:26:40 <sebsebseb> I meant general ones, not just packaging
21:26:55 <sebsebseb> yep teams need votes don by the 17th March ok, so next topic?
21:27:22 <ennael> we were waiting for you sebsebseb as you do not stop talking :)
21:27:38 <sebsebseb> ennael: hmm ok :d
21:27:39 <doktor5000_> ennael: FWIW biggest point is that we need some change in forums code and some phpbb mods, but without help from rda and sysadmins nothing can be done about that
21:28:13 <ennael> doktor5000_: not sure rda is around for now as he has some big nasty health pb
21:28:43 <ennael> but I can try to ping dams who is back in Mageia since some days
21:31:53 <ennael> doktor5000_: ok ?
21:33:01 <doktor5000_> ennael: sure, sounds good, thanks :)
21:33:22 <ennael> ok
21:33:41 <ennael> I will try to post on the wiki the summary of general assemble that happened during FOSDEM
21:34:03 <ennael> if english proof-reader around, please do not hesitate to fix frenglish :)
21:40:44 <tmb> ennael, just post on council ml when it's ready for proofreading
21:41:06 <ennael> yep
21:41:23 <ennael> and boklm is working on finalizing financial report for 2013
21:43:53 <ennael> anything else you would like to add?
21:44:14 <ennael> tmb: btw we also need to buy that new server
21:44:35 <tmb> what? wasn't it already ordered ?
21:44:53 <ennael> I'm not sure...
21:45:43 <ennael> I will check this with dams and boklm
21:47:17 <ennael> ok just spoke quickly with dams he will contact Dell for a special offer
21:48:58 <tmb> ok
21:49:27 <ennael> ok anything else on that topic ? question?
21:50:13 <Akien> Not from me (was somewhat afk, but I just read the backlog)
21:50:37 <ennael> ok
21:50:41 <ennael> #topic mageia 5
21:51:13 <ennael> so we will work with malo in coming days to propose a dev planning and the date for the final release
21:51:46 <ennael> and start working on specifications
21:52:25 <tmb> fosdem 2015 :)
21:52:28 * tmb hides
21:52:35 <ennael> this is for packagers. But all other teams will also have to work on preparing specifications
21:52:43 <ennael> tmb: you wish? :)
21:53:12 <malo> tmb: Christmas is more fun
21:53:25 <Akien> Christmas sounds good, even if it's longer than 9 months
21:53:37 <ennael> ok malo candidates for being father christmas
21:53:40 <ennael> nice :)
21:53:59 <tmb> malo, yeah, we'll target Xmas so it will be done for fosdem, see :)
21:54:04 <ennael> :))
21:54:06 <Akien> 9 months would make it for Nov 1st
21:54:11 <malo> tmb: you're being naughty
21:54:23 <ennael> Akien: what a date:)
21:54:34 <ennael> halloween sounds better
21:54:43 <Akien> But it would also mean having the beta time during Summer ;)
21:54:44 <sebsebseb> Mageia 5 should be in October/November if sticking to the 9 months
21:55:04 <ennael> ok so we will have a look on it and make some proposals on council ML
21:55:07 <ennael> is that ok ?
21:55:12 <tmb> yep
21:55:54 <sebsebseb> GNOME 3.14 should be in the next one, and whatever KDE etc, and etc
21:57:05 <ennael> if you want to make some proposals for planning, isos, dev cycle... please do it as quickly as possible on ML
21:57:52 <sebsebseb> two Mageia final releases this year would be good to have I think :)
21:58:21 <tmb> drop gnome mess in favour of ...?  that would give some headlines :)
21:58:28 <ennael> :)
21:58:38 <sebsebseb> tmb: mainly GNOME discs went at FOSDEM
21:58:46 <sebsebseb> people wanted GNOME
21:59:07 <ennael> ok any other topic, question, comment ?
21:59:30 <malo> nope
21:59:35 <sebsebseb> not from me
21:59:36 <tmb> sebsebseb, that does not matter if we dont have people interested in supporting it
22:00:01 <sebsebseb> wel there's Olav and  Olav again :d and maybe someone else to at least :)
22:00:31 <tmb> ennael, nothing other than people _please_ help out QA with testing stable updates
22:00:54 <ennael> yep it's in packager meeting topics for tomorrow
22:01:03 <tmb> sebsebseb, Olav has already publically stated he dont care about stable, only upstream development
22:01:38 <ennael> ok let's end meeting before everybody falls asleep :)
22:01:45 <sebsebseb> he means he likes pushing the latest this and that into Cauldron, but we are off topic now to
22:01:48 <tmb> yep
22:02:00 <ennael> #endmeeting