19:09:31 <ennael> #startmeeting 19:09:31 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon Sep 9 19:09:31 2013 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:09:31 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:10:10 <ennael> #topic atelier needs to work on Mageia 4 coming artwork 19:10:21 <sebsebseb> yep 19:11:01 <ennael> so what about this space? 19:11:05 <trishf42> okay, we have the blog post queued as a draft, but the Flickr space needs to "settle" (schultz says) 19:11:06 <ennael> just to log this demand 19:11:17 <trishf42> so it should be posted in the next 24 hours 19:12:04 <trishf42> http://blog.mageia.org/en/?p=2416 for those who can see it 19:12:29 <trishf42> I need to ask for write access to the blog for a couple more Atelier people 19:12:37 <DavidWHodgins> I get page not found. 19:12:47 <ennael> trishf42: please send an email on sysadmins 19:12:49 <ennael> -s 19:12:51 <sebsebseb> same here, but I wasn't expecting to see the blog preview as well anyway 19:13:03 <trishf42> okay, will do 19:13:18 <sebsebseb> Voo for access? for example 19:13:25 <ennael> ok what about now this space for artwork ? 19:13:36 <trishf42> sorry - I'll get the proper link 19:13:40 <DavidWHodgins> What about a repo on git? 19:13:58 <trishf42> We've asked sysadmin about space for a long time - 19:14:08 <sebsebseb> yeah I saw a email from boklm he said something about how artwork could go in git I think 19:14:11 <trishf42> lots of suggestions have been made, but... 19:14:41 <trishf42> a git repo would be fine, what has to happen to get it set up? 19:14:49 <trishf42> and how much space could we have? 19:15:02 <ennael> ok what you need exactly ? 19:15:14 <ennael> a way to store piece of artwork for releases ? 19:15:27 <trishf42> somewhere on Mageia servers for selected Atelier people to be able to upload and store artwork 19:15:38 <ennael> coling: around ? 19:15:44 <trishf42> We've been using a combo of Dropbox and Flickr, less than optimal 19:15:49 <coling> ennael, yup 19:15:57 <ennael> ah :) 19:16:04 <sebsebseb> yes want proper space not to use Flickr anyway I think that's the idea, I think marja with doc want some space to 19:16:05 <ennael> could we have a look on this ? 19:16:21 <DavidWHodgins> coling: Can a repo be set up for Atelier, and all members of the Atelier group given commit access? 19:16:33 <coling> DavidWHodgins, should be plausible yeah. 19:16:44 <trishf42> coling: not all members, but some 19:17:02 <coling> It's likely easier to give access to all members FWIW 19:17:28 <trishf42> ar. Can I email you about it? 19:17:29 <DavidWHodgins> What about setting up a new ldap group, Atelier-commiters? 19:17:34 <sebsebseb> access to all members could turn into a kind of security issue though, depending on who joins Atelier ? 19:17:42 <coling> Is git OK for this? Artwork can grow in size quite quickly, but we can possibly create new ones for each release if "history" is not necessarily crazy important. 19:18:04 <trishf42> we've had a bit of coming and going with atelier, so the entire team is probably overkill 19:18:05 <ennael> what about branches ? 19:18:23 * sebsebseb agree's with trishf42 only cetian people should have access for this 19:18:30 <coling> sebsebseb, the same can be said for package svn... there is a trade off between "security" vs "review" here IMO. Restrictions are usually a pain. 19:19:19 <sebsebseb> that's why there's a mentoring proccess I assume, but this is off topic 19:19:35 <coling> trishf42, but yeah feel free to pop the details in a mail and we can discuss/implement it there. 19:19:50 <trishf42> coling: great, thanks. 19:20:22 <ennael> #action trishf42 and coling will prepare a dedicated space for artwork in Mageia git 19:20:38 <sebsebseb> sounds good to me :) 19:20:52 <ennael> thanks coling :) 19:20:57 <coling> np 19:21:03 <ennael> trishf42: anything else ? 19:21:18 <trishf42> not just at the moment, thanks! 19:21:22 <marja> will everyone with git commit rights get an @mageia.org e-mail address? (in the instructions, we are told to use the @mageia.org address) 19:21:25 * trishf42 is flushed with success 19:21:30 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 19:21:42 <marja> trishf42: congrats :) 19:21:44 <sebsebseb> marja: I been wanting a @mageia.org for ages, but only packagers have had them so far it seems hmm 19:22:16 <marja> sebsebseb: i just found out today I have one, too, but not all docteam committers do 19:22:33 <ennael> ok next topic then :) 19:22:36 <sebsebseb> right, but your on the council so that makes sense 19:22:50 <marja> ennael: can someone answer my question? 19:23:01 <ennael> which one ? 19:23:10 <marja> 2013:09:09:21:21 < marja> will everyone with git commit rights get an @mageia.org e-mail address? (in the instructions, we are told to use the @mageia.org address) 19:23:24 <DavidWHodgins> Setting up a mageia.org address for all Atelier-commiters. 19:23:27 <marja> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/How_to_use_Git 19:23:57 <ennael> it should be yes. trishf42 will list all people concerned 19:24:22 <trishf42> ennael: yep. I'll include it in the mail to coling. 19:24:44 <marja> ennael: for docteam committers, who should be asked to make the @mageia.org addresses? 19:24:57 <marja> ennael: same for i18n 19:25:03 <sebsebseb> yheah people who have been in teams long enough should get a @mageia.org email address really I think to. plus a similar thing is how should have IRC cloaks realy for Mageia, I have sent emails in the past regarding both things 19:25:32 <ennael> marja: well there should be a ldap group for committers 19:25:50 <ennael> let me ask on sysadmins ML 19:26:06 <coling> ennael, marja: It's automatic based on groups for who gets the @mageia.org forwarding. 19:26:17 <ennael> or maybe we have boklm around 19:26:19 <marja> ennael: I just tried papoteur@mageia.org he has docteam commit rights, but the address doesn't work 19:26:21 <coling> We can add other groups to it pretty easily from what I can tell. 19:26:41 <coling> ennael, marja the config is in puppet so I should be able to change it easily enough. 19:26:47 <ennael> ok 19:26:56 <marja> coling: please do :-) 19:26:56 <sebsebseb> if these @mageia.org email addresses can be sorted out for other contributers to, well that's a step in the right direction? IRC cloaks next :d 19:27:30 <marja> coling: for the ones who had SVN commit rights 19:27:36 <ennael> ok 19:27:58 <ennael> #action check that all committers in teams have a mageia.org mail address 19:28:07 <coling> marja, well... rights are slightly more free form with git, so will have to match them up, but will suss it out after speaking with trish. 19:28:20 <marja> coling: fine :) 19:28:31 <sebsebseb> should it be for anyone who joins a team, or those been in the team long enough? same thing for IRC cloaks when we finally have them 19:28:51 <marja> sebsebseb: for now for committers 19:28:54 <coling> sebsebseb, it's all linked to ldap groups so it's easier just to dish them out. 19:29:13 <coling> If you're in one of the "blessed" groups, then you get an alias. 19:29:14 <sebsebseb> marja: committers to SVN you mean? 19:29:31 <marja> sebsebseb: yes, who'll be committing to git 19:29:34 <sebsebseb> I am in Atelier, and QA kind of as well 19:30:15 * trishf42 is getting tea, back shortly 19:30:18 <sebsebseb> right, but I meant for all contributers who have been in a team long enough, so not just those commiting to git 19:30:33 <ennael> ok let see next topic 19:30:44 <ennael> #topic coming blog posts 19:30:48 <sebsebseb> ,but seems they can be dished out going by coling to certain people anyway 19:31:02 <coling> sebsebseb, to certain *groups*, but off topic now. 19:31:11 <sebsebseb> right ok, and yeah next topic 19:31:46 <ennael> so we need to get some fuel for the blog as said also in the review of 2012 blog figures 19:31:58 <ennael> to avoid having only releases and pb announcements :) 19:32:16 <trishf42> Did we not have a list somewhere? 19:32:26 <sebsebseb> yep there's a wiki page some wehre for suggestd blog posts 19:32:51 <ennael> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Blog_articles_planning 19:33:00 <sebsebseb> yep that's the one ^ 19:33:34 <trishf42> okay, we definitely need more "they make Mageia" posts. 19:33:49 * sebsebseb agree's 19:33:50 <ennael> we still need the leuhmanu one 19:33:57 <trishf42> coling: you up for it? 19:34:13 <trishf42> the git setup would make a great post by itself... 19:34:21 <sebsebseb> hmm true 19:34:34 <sebsebseb> SVN to git conversion blog post, and how it was done etc 19:34:36 <coling> trishf42, sure I can write a post about that (perhaps with some input from bolkm on gitolite side) 19:34:52 <trishf42> coling: brilliant, thanks! 19:35:03 <sebsebseb> a bit like how misc did a talk about the build system etc at FOSDEM 2012 :d ,but a blog post 19:35:14 <trishf42> don't forget a couple of paras with a bit of a bio 8-) 19:35:58 <marja> the dev team leaders 19:36:04 <trishf42> coling: if you could do it as a draft on the blog dashboard, or on an etherpad, maybe? 19:36:21 <trishf42> marja: can you add to that wiki list? 19:36:31 <ennael> also I mailed bruno cornec I will write an interview with him about his work and the presentation about Mageia during LinuxCon un the US 19:36:34 <ennael> in 19:36:44 <trishf42> ennael: brilliant! 19:37:04 <marja> trishf42: OK 19:37:05 * sebsebseb thinks there won't be a blog post about the podcast that me and coling did last year in June, so may as well remove that now from the wiki page 19:37:22 <trishf42> sebsebseb: you took a bit long to write it 8-) 19:37:31 <coling> trishf42, sure, but can you poke me next week about it? This week is super busy for me and I'll likely need nudging :) 19:37:42 <trishf42> coling: no problems 19:37:43 <sebsebseb> trishf42: no no it was never accepted I Think as a blog post, so nothing got written 19:37:56 <sebsebseb> just proposed, but not accepted? or so I thought anwyay 19:37:57 <trishf42> sebsebseb: they don't write themselves... 19:38:19 <trishf42> you write it, I'll clean it up and publish it (but that one is now a bit old) 19:38:24 <sebsebseb> I guess I can do one about this installfest planning on having with some people from the LUG in March next year probably yes Mageia as one fo the distros, and aimed at the general public :) 19:38:41 <trishf42> ok, do it! 19:38:54 <sebsebseb> got to prepare that event first etc thoguh and actsauly have it, but yeah 19:41:21 <ennael> I've just updated a bit this page 19:41:37 <trishf42> Upcoming events - next one is not until November, according to the wiki 19:41:47 <trishf42> any others planned between now and then? 19:41:55 <ennael> the idea is not to wait to be accepted or not but rather being ready to be proofread 19:42:14 <ennael> no event I can see 19:42:26 <trishf42> Who went to FrOScon? 19:42:35 <ennael> oliver I guess 19:42:38 <trishf42> we don't have a blog post about it, or photos 19:42:48 <ennael> can you ping him about this ? 19:42:53 <trishf42> marja: weren't you there too? 19:42:59 <trishf42> yes, I'll ping him 19:43:09 <marja> trishf42: froscon, yes, I was 19:43:13 <ennael> nice :) 19:43:31 <trishf42> did you get some photos? we could maybe write the post together 19:43:41 * marja is afraid we forgot to make photos 19:43:46 <trishf42> 8-) 19:44:26 <sebsebseb> trishf42: events, OGG Camp next month, I am going to that, joining coling for Linuxconf Europe in Edinbrugh or strnagers, nope decided not to go to that one 19:44:34 <sebsebseb> then one in Sweden for me in November as well yep :) 19:45:06 <trishf42> the Swedish one isn't on the events calendar, can you add that and Linuxconf EU? 19:45:14 <marja> trishf42: there must still be a draft somewhere of a post about Linuxtag that Oliver wrote, too, I don't remember it was published 19:45:18 <coling> Oh speaking of which ennael, I spoke to some folk re LinuxConf. The KDE folks would be OK if we put some Magiea KDE related stuff on their stand. 19:45:22 <sebsebseb> and there's OGG Camp to, but I think for OGG Cam pand Swedish one, I may be the like only Mageia person going 19:45:31 <sebsebseb> do we have a events caldender really? link ? 19:45:32 <marja> coling: that is great news :) 19:46:04 <trishf42> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Events 19:46:04 <coling> So if we have some KDE CDs etc or perhaps some KDE related banner thingy, that might be OK (but as it's KDE stand, it would have to be KDE specific) 19:46:23 <sebsebseb> for events can it included just one Magiea person going or? 19:46:25 <trishf42> coling: drop Atelier a line, we'll sort it for you 19:46:41 <trishf42> sebsebseb: yes - other people might turn up if it's up there 19:47:01 <sebsebseb> so my installfest for next year, I could add it to that page to? 19:47:07 <trishf42> sebsebseb: yep 19:47:15 <sebsebseb> and local thing? event 19:47:18 <trishf42> it's all public stuff, go for it 19:47:56 <trishf42> in fact, we could do a blog post about that - let us know your event, where Mageia is being shown, we'll publicise it and put it on the calendar 19:48:04 <trishf42> wdyt? 19:48:26 <sebsebseb> trishf42: yeah I need stuff for that event to probably :) 19:48:41 <ennael> trishf42: yep 19:48:44 <sebsebseb> we are looking for venues and so on at the moment early days 19:48:57 <trishf42> ennael: where's the banner and poster and that stuff, at the moment? 19:48:58 <sebsebseb> and getting fudning from some where, or sponsership, etc 19:49:26 <trishf42> sebsebseb: talk about it on the ml, maybe 19:49:38 <sebsebseb> yes I have thought about emailing Atelier about it, but haven't yet 19:49:42 <ennael> trishf42: I've got some and boklm also 19:50:04 <ennael> trishf42: we need to have this wiki page listing all this stuff and where it's located 19:50:13 <trishf42> I'm thinking, coling could maybe have one of them, and put a KDE sticker on it for that event 19:50:20 <sebsebseb> we can add FOSDEM 2014 to events page already :d by the way, since the dates are up 19:50:24 <trishf42> ennael: we do, looking for link 19:50:29 <trishf42> sebsebseb: go for it 19:50:44 <sebsebseb> yeah loks like I will edit the events page a bit myself :) 19:51:03 <coling> sebsebseb, I'll double check it's OK with the KDE guys (i.e what scope) before saying officially. 19:51:15 <trishf42> ennael: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Events_Box 19:51:21 <sebsebseb> coling: what was that? 19:51:29 <sebsebseb> coling: about if your going to Linuxconf or what do you mean? 19:52:43 <trishf42> sebsebseb: take it out of the meeting, maybe 19:52:57 <trishf42> ennael: there's also an Events How-to, https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Events_HowTo 19:53:04 <ennael> ok 19:53:05 <sebsebseb> how is the events page found from main website. I mean I Find it hard to find wiki pages in general 19:53:22 <trishf42> sebsebseb: search box. top right, type in Events 19:53:29 <sebsebseb> oh ok 19:56:04 <ennael> ok antyhing else on that topic? 19:56:14 <sebsebseb> not from me 19:56:15 <ennael> *please* propose posts :) 19:56:20 <trishf42> not right now. I'll follow up on the proposed posts 19:56:34 <ennael> we need some also to increase Mageia visibility 19:56:40 <trishf42> coling, leuhmanu etc 19:56:42 <marja> alien's not around, is he? 19:56:47 <sebsebseb> yes need some more about events etc, even small events :d 19:57:03 * marja is curious about the features 19:57:11 <trishf42> sebsebseb: can you ask around people for small events and get back to the atelier list? 19:57:42 <sebsebseb> trishf42: could send a mail out to discuss or something sure, just so we know about any event or pretty much, that someone has gone to, to represent Magiea 19:57:52 <sebsebseb> for example I saw a email about someone talking about Mageia at the US Linuxconf 19:58:16 <trishf42> I was thinking, more, ask on irc - social, the #mageia channel etc 19:58:21 <trishf42> and maybe on the forums 19:58:26 <sebsebseb> oh ok 19:58:30 <trishf42> (places where I don't spend much time) 19:58:41 <ennael> :) 19:58:48 <sebsebseb> ,but anyone can do that really 19:58:50 <ennael> ok next topic ? 19:58:54 <marja> ennael: I added some suggestions about posts to the page 19:58:59 <ennael> thanks marja 19:59:25 <trishf42> sebsebseb: I officially give you that task 19:59:33 <trishf42> 8-) 19:59:58 <ennael> #topic Alpha2 release 20:01:18 <sebsebseb> trishf42: fine I can do that, and put my own events down on the event page ;), but yeah next topic 20:01:41 <ennael> so alpha2 release was done on time last friday 20:01:54 <sebsebseb> yep on time ::) :d 20:02:04 <ennael> thanks again packagers, tmb and QA team for all the work 20:04:17 <malo> sorry everyone, but I have to go 20:04:26 <marja> malo: good night 20:04:40 <trishf42> night malo 20:04:45 <sebsebseb> night malo 20:04:47 <malo> well done qa and tmb for alpha 2 :-) 20:04:48 <sebsebseb> hi and bye malo 20:07:23 <ennael> so still a lot of work to do about bug fixing and features implementation 20:08:54 <marja> so there's no time to get bored 20:09:25 <ennael> nope we still need in packagers team to find a way to follow features and get it ready before beta release 20:12:19 <ennael> MrsB is not around so I guess that's all for now on that topic 20:12:27 <marja> features aren't any more "owned" than packages are, correct? 20:13:06 <marja> ennael: ^^^ 20:13:27 <ennael> ? 20:14:34 <sebsebseb> maybe MrsB|away didn't relise there was a meeting today? 20:14:44 <marja> if the owner of an accepted feature is absent for a long time, it is OK for others (if available) to continue with it? 20:14:54 <marja> ennael: ^^^ 20:14:59 <ennael> of course it they know how to handle it 20:15:07 <marja> good :) 20:16:27 <DavidWHodgins> What are we going to do about the dual-cd? 700MB isn't enough for a dual arch. Should we split it into two arch specific cds or make it into a dual cd, so there can be enough on it to be useful? 20:17:11 <marja> s/into a dual cd/into a dual dvd/ ?? 20:17:17 <DavidWHodgins> S /make it into a dual cd/ make it into a dual dvd. 20:17:22 <ennael> for now it's not a question of space but rather of packaging 20:17:22 <marja> grinz 20:17:25 <DavidWHodgins> Yep 20:17:26 <ennael> all broken 20:17:49 <ennael> one of the big advantage people see in dual CD is it's very light 20:18:08 <DavidWHodgins> The last alpha2-dual-cd is 703M 20:18:15 <ennael> see above 20:18:22 <ennael> this CD is broken 20:18:41 <DavidWHodgins> Is it dependencies that shouldn't be there? 20:18:50 <ennael> yep and some missing 20:19:03 <ennael> so I'll investigate and see if we can do something 20:19:21 <ennael> if not then what about using a very light DE like openbox or no DE at all 20:20:49 <marja> that is useful when a boot.iso isn't (for instance because you can't trust your internet connection... or when you don't have one 20:21:04 <DavidWHodgins> No DE at all might be the way to go. 20:21:15 <ennael> yep I will see that in coming days 20:21:20 <marja> :) 20:21:23 <DavidWHodgins> Make sure it's clear it's strictly for advanced users. 20:21:59 <DavidWHodgins> Can the installer work in text mode? 20:22:50 <marja> DavidWHodgins: I never do a text install, but it should work ... and else it is a bug to fix 20:23:17 <ennael> DavidWHodgins: installer has nothing to do with DE 20:23:25 <sebsebseb> yeah if it's just a text mode installer that should work :) 20:23:31 <sebsebseb> can drop the GUI that way to 20:23:39 <ennael> ok anything else ? 20:23:50 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here. 20:24:00 <sebsebseb> nope not here 20:24:13 <marja> not here 20:24:15 <sebsebseb> 32bit and 64bit dual cd text mode only I mean above 20:24:27 <sebsebseb> still dual still both 20:24:30 <ennael> thanks for this non organized meeting :) 20:24:37 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 20:24:43 <sebsebseb> you're welcome, but worked well it seems :d 20:25:04 <ennael> thanks all for attending 20:25:21 <ennael> #endmeeting