19:42:03 <ennael> #startmeeting 19:42:03 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Mon Aug 26 19:42:03 2013 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:42:03 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:42:12 <ennael> hi all and thanks for attending tonight 19:42:51 <MrsB> o/ 19:43:17 * trishf42 is really awake, honest 19:43:20 <ennael> :) 19:43:37 <ennael> ok first topic then :) 19:44:53 <ennael> #topic Coming Alpha 2 19:45:28 <ennael> so it's planned for 2013/09/06 19:45:47 <MrsB> day before my birpday #justsaying 19:45:54 <ennael> tmb: when do you think you will start first build? 19:45:59 <ennael> MrsB: nice gift :) 19:46:06 <MrsB> hopefully so :D 19:47:30 <tmb> ennael: I think I'll build first one on friday evening... 19:47:42 <ennael> ok 19:47:54 <ennael> will give first try tomorrow or wednesday 19:48:08 <ennael> MrsB: do we have testers ready for it? 19:48:17 <MrsB> it'd be nice to see some of the features included in this one 19:48:27 <MrsB> i'll rev up the team again 19:48:38 <ennael> ok 19:49:02 <MrsB> we wiped the list of testers after 3 was released and started again 19:49:02 <ennael> I spoke with erwan about syslinux pb 19:49:26 <MrsB> anybody who has volunteered to test isos now is at least recent, hopefully active too 19:49:34 <ennael> we will switch to all upstream syslinux 19:49:52 <MrsB> is that hdt? 19:50:01 <ennael> nope the piece that make isos boot 19:50:05 <MrsB> oh right 19:50:51 <ennael> the first effect will be to break gfxboot theme 19:51:01 <sebsebseb> hi 19:51:05 <ennael> so we may have isos with linux prompt 19:51:14 <MrsB> now's the time we need to be breaking stuff though 19:51:21 <ennael> yep 19:51:36 <ennael> it should have been done before so while erwan is around we will do it 19:51:54 <MrsB> can we include the mageiawelcome and desktop chooser features do you think? 19:52:12 <sebsebseb> ah right yeah the welcome screen would be good to have in there to test already if possible :) 19:52:12 <ennael> yep we could. Did we have complete tests on it. 19:52:13 <ennael> . 19:52:29 <MrsB> we haven't seen it yet 19:52:46 <ennael> ok who is working on it ? 19:52:47 <MrsB> s/it/them/ 19:53:05 <MrsB> napcok for mageiawelcome and djennings for desktop thing 19:53:25 <MrsB> daniel napora iinm and derek jennings 19:53:40 <ennael> ok can we contact them on QA side and organize before end of this week 19:53:41 <ennael> ? 19:53:52 <ennael> also is it already packaged ? 19:54:01 <MrsB> i don't know 19:54:14 <ennael> ok so questions we need to ask 19:54:32 <ennael> #info alpha2 will be released with full syslinux update 19:54:35 <MrsB> i think it's a bit early for qa to sort out, once it's packaged we can test more but we're swamped again 19:55:00 <ennael> #info alpha 2 will provide the mageiawelcome and desktop chooser features 19:55:33 <ennael> #action contact both napcok for mageiawelcome and djennings for desktop thing to get packages to be included 19:56:09 <MrsB> we need to make every effort to set the precedent of releasing on time too, get everybody used to the idea that we can't afford to slip releases if we're going to make release before fosdem 19:56:35 <ennael> sure 19:56:51 <ennael> we will organize with malo a review of the features 19:57:01 <MrsB> great :) 19:57:07 <ennael> as it seems alien did not mail these guys 19:57:17 <MrsB> i think he's on his holidays 19:57:25 <ennael> yep but we need to move on now 19:57:30 <MrsB> yeah 19:57:37 <ennael> tmb: anything else to add for alpha 2 ? 19:58:28 <MrsB> could we decide on whether to keep or ditch the new network interface naming scheme too 19:58:37 <MrsB> or fix shorewall so it isn't a problem 19:58:46 <tmb> ennael: nope, not for now.. 19:59:11 <DavidWHodgins> And the installer so the renaming (if kept) happens before the network gets configured. 19:59:50 <ennael> #action contact colin and tv to fix the installer and shorewall for the new network scheme 20:00:29 * coling hides 20:00:37 <coling> But takes note. 20:00:39 <DavidWHodgins> And drakgw 20:00:45 <MrsB> lol 20:01:40 <ennael> :) 20:01:47 <tmb> well, shorewall now passes outgoing traffic on any interface by default, so that part is somewhat fixed... 20:02:11 <MrsB> that's something yeah, i think it's also preventing the media config though 20:02:11 <ennael> coling: can you have a look on it with tv or do you need a proxy to deal with him? :) 20:02:12 <coling> It should be semi-easy to fix. 20:02:18 <tmb> but drakgw probably needs to remove that line if people do specific configuration 20:02:22 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Won't that change break drakgw, for sharing internet access? 20:02:45 <coling> ennael, I will take a look soon. It should be fairly easy to fix in a VM. 20:03:08 <coling> ennael, it's more my problem than tv's anyway (although we've shared several emails these last few days about git repos so don't need any proxy :D) 20:03:17 <tmb> DavidWHodgins: yep, thats what drakgw needs to be fixed for... if you configure sharing, nuke the "net + detect" 20:03:25 <ennael> coling: phew thanks :) 20:06:15 <MrsB> we should see some changes then with alpha 2 20:06:26 <MrsB> that'll get testers interested maybe :) 20:06:35 <ennael> yep 20:06:49 <ennael> ok anything else on alpha2 ? 20:07:09 <MrsB> good for now thanks 20:07:25 <ennael> ok next topic then 20:08:06 <ennael> #topic teams review 20:08:30 <ennael> ok as it's a long time we did not have a meeting can we have a brief review of the teams? 20:08:52 <MrsB> i can start if you like 20:09:22 <ennael> yep 20:09:27 <ennael> #info QA team reveiw 20:09:52 <MrsB> We did a good job of keeping on top of things for a while 20:10:07 <MrsB> after alpha1 we managed to clear our list on two separate occasions 20:10:12 <MrsB> updates list i mean 20:10:27 <MrsB> it's something we haven't done since january 2012 20:11:10 <MrsB> Prior to alpha 1 testing beginning we also cleared our list of iso testers which had become a bit outdates 20:11:14 <MrsB> -s +d 20:11:19 <ennael> nice to hear 20:12:15 <MrsB> we're always short of people testing isos though so if anybody wants to help out they are mroe than welcome 20:12:28 <ennael> ok 20:13:03 <MrsB> we seem to have passed the flood of post release updates now but we're suddenly swamped again at the moment 20:13:14 <MrsB> looking forwad to mga2 eol :) 20:13:18 <ennael> ok :) 20:13:22 <ennael> anything else to add ? 20:13:59 <MrsB> we've a few new updates testers so please be patient as they get up to speed 20:14:36 <MrsB> i think that covers it though. 20:14:39 <obgr_seneca> Shall I procede with i18n? 20:15:01 <MrsB> please do obgr_seneca 20:15:06 <ennael> #info updates are under control event it seems to grow again - waiting for mga2 eol 20:15:18 <ennael> #info i18n team review 20:15:24 <obgr_seneca> Ok, we will use tx.com in the future as online platform 20:16:02 <obgr_seneca> It means not having our ldap for user organization 20:16:22 <obgr_seneca> but we don't have to care about software updates and so on 20:16:57 <obgr_seneca> We will get a subdomain mageia.transifex.com (like fedora has it) 20:17:17 <ennael> #info team will use hosted tx.com infrastructure for our internal needs 20:17:40 <obgr_seneca> Akien, me and some others will create scrits to mostly automate git <->tx syncing 20:18:08 <ennael> ok have you synced all this with sysadmins team? 20:18:16 <obgr_seneca> We will see, how far we will get there :D 20:19:11 <ennael> ok anything else? 20:19:26 <obgr_seneca> We are waiting for news on the git migration, before we can go ahead 20:19:43 <ennael> coling: still around? 20:20:08 <obgr_seneca> ennael: coling: I will come back to that in the time coming 20:20:52 <obgr_seneca> ennael: As soon as I know, what we do need from sysadmin side, I will confer with them 20:20:58 <ennael> ok 20:21:01 <coling> ennael, yup 20:21:08 <ennael> see question about git 20:21:30 <obgr_seneca> At the moment, there is nothing else from my side 20:21:59 <coling> OK, so git is now 95% done probably for /soft/ 20:22:06 <obgr_seneca> coling: I will need some information from your side about it, but not tonight 20:22:17 <coling> obgr_seneca, cool. 20:22:40 <coling> I had intended on creating an i18n git repo which merged all software translations into one place. 20:22:47 <coling> (with various sync scripts) 20:22:59 <obgr_seneca> coling: That's great 20:23:17 <coling> As this means translators working outside of tx will just need to work with one git repo. 20:23:27 <obgr_seneca> I have some other things, we could need, but we don't need to discuss it here 20:23:39 <coling> As for how this will work with tx, we'll have to see, but we'll find some way to work I'm sure. 20:23:51 <coling> Yup 20:24:45 <MrsB> obgr_seneca: does everybody who needs it have blog access? 20:25:06 <obgr_seneca> MrsB: I think so 20:25:25 <marja> leuhmanu: do you have blog access now? 20:25:33 <obgr_seneca> But blog was never managed by me 20:25:46 <marja> MrsB: it is coincoin's :) 20:25:48 <obgr_seneca> Iirc that was Damien 20:25:57 <MrsB> the translations? 20:26:21 <marja> ah 20:26:35 <MrsB> and comments 20:26:49 <obgr_seneca> If some translator wanted access, I was always asking Damien to provide it 20:27:02 <obgr_seneca> Not sure how it was handled 20:27:52 <ennael> we can see it tomorrow 20:28:10 <obgr_seneca> Ok, me is going to bed now... 20:28:16 <ennael> ok thanks obgr_seneca 20:28:22 <MrsB> nite obgr_seneca 20:28:40 <ennael> #info atelier team review 20:28:47 <ennael> trishf42: your turn :) 20:28:48 <trishf42> hey all! 20:28:55 <MrsB> morning trishf42 20:28:58 <trishf42> okay, we haven't been completely idle 20:29:02 <trishf42> morning MrsB 20:29:17 <ennael> MrsB: btw congrats for the article :) 20:29:27 <sebsebseb> what article? 20:29:30 <trishf42> Thanks go to Voo who has done a draft of the artwork policy 20:29:36 <MrsB> which article? 20:29:48 <trishf42> it's here: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Artwork_guidelines 20:29:58 <trishf42> and the bones of a blog post about same, here: 20:30:08 <trishf42> https://pad.riseup.net/p/mageia-artwork-guidelines 20:30:10 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ] 20:30:40 <trishf42> And Schultz is about ready to do the call for artwork for Mageia 4; that should go out this week, and we'll have another blog post for that. 20:31:00 <trishf42> What other posts are in the pipeline? 20:31:17 <ennael> what about leuhmanu interview ? 20:31:40 <trishf42> Is that up as a draft, or has it been published? 20:31:53 <ennael> MrsB: ? 20:32:12 <MrsB> sorry was reading 20:32:18 <ennael> :) 20:32:37 <MrsB> leuhmanu blog post was de-frenglished 20:32:50 <MrsB> waiting on a photo IIRC 20:33:05 <MrsB> i'll have to find out, it was a while ago :\ 20:33:30 <ennael> looks like he is not around 20:33:33 <trishf42> I see there's a treasurer update still sitting as a draft, didn't that get pubished? 20:33:40 <MrsB> guidelines look good trish 20:34:29 <trishf42> Thanks MrsB - I'll let Voo know! 20:34:48 <MrsB> yeah, thanks Voo 20:35:44 <trishf42> We could roll the guidelines info into the call for artwork post - I'll talk to the guys on the ml 20:35:51 <ennael> yep 20:35:53 <trishf42> Anyway, that's where we're at. 20:36:09 <ennael> thanks trishf42 20:36:16 <ennael> anything else you would like to add? 20:36:35 <trishf42> Not just now - we're just getting back to post-summer work mode 20:36:41 <ennael> :) 20:38:02 <trishf42> Looking forward to finding out more about git access, when it's all ready. Will there be space on there for artwork? 20:38:13 <sebsebseb> trishf42: of course :) 20:38:24 <sebsebseb> git will replace SVN completly 20:38:39 <MrsB> what about the owncloud thing which was being discussed before? 20:38:46 <trishf42> I was thinking more of space for artwork-in-progress than as part of soft 20:39:00 <trishf42> MrsB: still waiting... 20:39:05 <ennael> this has to be checked with sysadmins 20:39:24 <sebsebseb> MrsB: don't know about that, but GNOME gets built in support for it, that's what I do know :) :d 20:39:39 <ennael> what is it about owncloud? 20:39:51 <MrsB> might be a good time to get it set up (along with everything else :]) 20:40:11 <trishf42> Artwork/Atelier has been asking for space for artwork storage for a while... 20:40:33 <trishf42> we currently do artwork calls in a flickr group, which doesn't work terriby well 20:41:16 <MrsB> owncloud is packaged and can do ldap IINM 20:41:45 <trishf42> I'll talk to Schultz about it again 20:41:49 <sebsebseb> indeed Mageia artwork should ideally get some proper Mageia space :) 20:43:15 <trishf42> Anyway, that's us in a nutshell. 20:43:24 <ennael> ok thanks for that :) 20:43:42 * trishf42 is going for more tea... too early to be awake 20:43:45 <ennael> #info packagers team review 20:43:54 <ennael> thanks trishf42 20:43:59 * sebsebseb hears trishf42 's bed telling her to go back to bed :D heh heh :) 20:44:19 <ennael> so we had our first meeting after vacation last week 20:45:09 <ennael> mainly about alpha 1 and 2 releases 20:45:29 <ennael> not a lot of people around as it's still vacation for many of them 20:47:10 <MrsB> it has been quiet 20:47:22 <ennael> yep so I guess we will start again next week 20:47:34 <ennael> still I will send an email tomorrow about features 20:49:42 <MrsB> how are things going with apprentices? 20:49:51 <ennael> looks to be nice 20:49:57 <ennael> still we are needing more mentors 20:50:37 <MrsB> what prevents people from volunteering do you think? 20:50:54 <ennael> it needs some time I guess 20:51:19 <ennael> well we will see how we can handle this 20:52:51 <MrsB> maybe point out the apprentices will do some of the work for them 20:52:56 <ennael> :) 20:53:07 <ennael> yep that needs to be explained 20:53:31 <MrsB> a 'who can be a mentor' type thing 20:54:19 <ennael> yep and maybe also axplain it's not that complicated. One does not need to be a guru 20:54:39 <MrsB> yeah that might explain some of it 20:54:56 <ennael> ok that's all for me tonight (even if it's not that big) 20:55:06 <MrsB> thankyou for that ennael 20:55:14 <ennael> anything else ? 20:55:44 <MrsB> marja: still here? 20:55:48 <MrsB> tmb? 20:55:50 <marja> MrsB: yes I am 20:56:19 <marja> #info most of docteam has been on holiday the past weeks 20:56:37 <MrsB> need a topic ennael 20:56:39 <ennael> #info docteam review 20:57:16 <MrsB> oops sorry, i forgot it was an info before 20:57:25 <ennael> no pb :) 20:57:56 <ennael> marja: anything special to say? 20:57:57 <sebsebseb> computer issue, but back here now 20:58:05 <sebsebseb> I am 20:58:06 <marja> most of the translators were fine with the new setup (translating with SVN + po), we are now waiting how things develop with git and tx 20:58:28 <ennael> ok 20:58:39 <ennael> can you have a look on colin mail about git migration ? 20:59:25 <marja> the French might decide to keep on translating in Calenco (that is the only team for which that would work, because they help on writing documentation, so can do without translation notifications 21:00:01 <marja> ennael: I intend to catch up on reading those mails 21:00:03 <ennael> well it would be a shame to have different solutions for one team 21:00:06 <ennael> ok thanks :) 21:02:35 <MrsB> the quality of the documentation is really good 21:03:09 <ennael> ok anything else for tonight? 21:03:13 <marja> MrsB: I'll forward that message to my team :-) 21:03:20 <ennael> maat just mailed he could not attend the meeting 21:03:21 <marja> ennael: not here 21:03:25 <MrsB> :) 21:04:20 <MrsB> tmb anything sysadminy? 21:06:11 <ennael> ok let's wait for a mail about it rather and close the meeting if you are all ok 21:06:26 <DavidWHodgins> Ok here. 21:06:33 <MrsB> yep it's definitely bedtime 21:06:43 <ennael> see you all and thanks for your time 21:06:47 <ennael> #endmeeting