18:08:09 <misc> #startmeeting 18:08:09 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Fri Oct 8 18:08:09 2010 UTC. The chair is misc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:08:09 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:08:18 <misc> #chair misc ennael blino 18:08:18 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: blino ennael misc 18:08:32 <misc> #meetingname Founders 18:08:32 <Inigo_Montoya> The meeting name has been set to 'founders' 18:08:46 <misc> #topic association creation process 18:08:59 <misc> rtp: it is up to you :) 18:09:23 <rtp> ok :) 18:09:56 <rapsys> hu 18:09:58 <boklm> hello 18:10:04 <rapsys> hi 18:10:12 <rtp> so, the association creation process has made quite a lot of progress 18:10:58 <rtp> after some delays (proofreading & things like that), the paper work has been done and given to the french Administration (aka "prefecture de police") \o/ 18:11:36 <misc> #info paper have been sent to the french administration 18:12:04 <rtp> this means that, now, we have to wait that our application is processed. This may take up to 4-6 weeks and up to 8 weeks for the official publication 18:13:00 <rtp> so, after this delays we'll have an official existence and we'll be able to create bank account 18:13:19 <misc> #info we need to wait for the application to be processed ( 4 to 6 weeks ) 18:14:35 <misc> what about the issue that fredxx found ? 18:14:49 <rtp> Also, on the down side, our preferred french lawyer (Fredxx) had some comments today so we'll probably have to make some small corrections to our status and it'll be proposed in an association assembly :( 18:15:20 <rtp> I won't give all details here but he made some valid remarks 18:15:44 <Nanar> 18:15:59 <rtp> Nanar: a question ? :) 18:16:11 <Nanar> just showing I am here 18:16:14 <t_m_b> why first today? hasn't he seen the draft ? 18:16:51 <rtp> t_m_b: bad timings 18:17:05 <ennael> also he was very busy these last days 18:17:10 <misc> well, i guess he didn't found before, like we do not see all bugs at the first time :) 18:17:21 <rtp> if I understood corrrectly he has been busy a lot 18:18:08 <misc> couldn't we send the correction to the administration before they process it ? 18:18:38 <rtp> misc: it may also be due to our last changes. Anyway, we should try to blame someone but rather go forward and try to fix where neede 18:18:42 <rtp> d 18:18:47 <rtp> +not 18:18:57 <rtp> oops ... I ate a word /o\ 18:19:08 <rtp> misc: no, too late 18:19:13 <fcrozat> it is always possible to change them later 18:19:37 <rtp> fcrozat: exactly. that's why I talked about making an assembly (A.G.E.) 18:19:38 <fcrozat> it will "just" require a new publication on "journal officiel" (official log) 18:20:01 <misc> rtp: general extraordinary assembly ? 18:20:05 <rtp> fcrozat: not "just". afaik status modifications needs an AGE 18:20:07 <rtp> misc: yeah 18:20:18 <ennael> also we need it to be created quickly as it's needed for bank account, hosting solutions... 18:20:22 <misc> yup 18:20:41 <fcrozat> rtp: well, for now, going a assembly won't be difficult ;) 18:21:09 <misc> and in any case, we have to wait 1 or 2 months for this general assembly, no ? 18:21:27 <misc> ( 1 or 2 month for now, ie wait until the administration say "ok" ) 18:21:45 <rtp> fcrozat: hmm... I don't know. we need to know first what should be changed and then there are some legal delays before convocation.Also, creation needs to be done first :) 18:22:16 <fcrozat> rtp: I just hope you allowed "electronic" assembly ;) 18:22:21 <fcrozat> in the status 18:22:49 <pterjan> a big Christmas assembly physical meeting ? :) 18:23:20 <fcrozat> maybe it is too late, anyway : http://www.gnomefr.org/association/statuts/ 18:23:29 <fcrozat> but if it can be useful.. 18:23:37 <fcrozat> http://www.gnomefr.org/association/reglement/ too 18:23:38 <ennael> fcrozat: it's included indeed 18:24:01 <fcrozat> ennael: excellent 18:24:09 <erwan_taf> fcrozat: _o/ 18:24:16 <misc> rtp: anything to add ? 18:24:35 <misc> ( or we can go on the next topic ) 18:24:36 <rtp> pterjan: at least we hope to have a physical meeting in fosdem :) 18:24:42 <rtp> misc: it's ok for me 18:24:55 <misc> good 18:25:01 <misc> ok for everybody ? 18:25:11 <pterjan> rtp: oh yes I should buy eurostar ticket soonm it opens 4 months before :) 18:25:11 <ennael> ok 18:25:13 <fcrozat> ok for me 18:25:16 <misc> #topic pandora board 18:25:20 <misc> blino: up to you 18:25:21 <rtp> pterjan: mouarf 18:25:57 <ennael> misc: if blino is not around rtp can also speak about this :) 18:26:08 <blino> I am here 18:26:12 <ennael> oups 18:26:15 <rtp> :) 18:26:25 <blino> ok, so the Pandaboard is an ARM board using the TI OMAP4 processor 18:26:46 <rtp> #url pandaboard.org 18:26:59 <misc> #link http://pandaboard.org/ 18:27:03 <blino> they recently offered boards for some projects 18:27:13 <blino> so I registered Mageia there, in the hope we get selected 18:27:25 <misc> #info the Pandaboard is an ARM board using the TI OMAP4 processor, and they offer some to some project 18:27:28 <blino> #link http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/PEAP_Projects#Mageia_support 18:27:53 <blino> this will likely not be used for build system 18:28:02 <blino> but it is a good platform to consolidate our ARM support 18:28:09 <blino> and do some multimedia demos 18:28:36 <misc> why not for the BS ? 18:28:42 <blino> it's a dual-core 1GHz Cortex-A9 processor 18:28:51 <blino> but it lacks some decent way to plug local storage 18:28:57 <blino> see http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/File:PandaBoard_Setup.png 18:28:57 <rtp> misc: not possible to connect a hard drive 18:29:54 <Nanar> is there oter possible storage ? 18:29:56 <blino> rtp suggested to test network storage like nbd 18:30:10 <misc> rtp: usb 18:30:26 <blino> or SD 18:30:29 <misc> ok 18:30:36 <rtp> usb is not a good idea imho 18:30:53 <misc> well, when will they give us a answer ? 18:30:59 <blino> they will have 2 phases of projects selection 18:31:10 <blingme> nfs with caching ? 18:31:16 <blino> first round with results on oct 11, second on oct 25 18:31:18 <rtp> fwiw, our friends at genesi are using nbd for the debian armhf port 18:31:36 <blingme> iscsi ? 18:31:54 <blino> rtp: BTW, maybe you could ask genesi/efikamx guys for a TO3 board now that Mageia is public 18:32:07 <misc> #info answer on oct 11 and oct 25 18:32:27 <blingme> what are the ideas for ARM? 18:32:29 <misc> #action rtp ask genesi/efikamx for a TO3 board 18:32:43 <rtp> blino: iirc, nfs may introduce some bugs with some apps "make test" 18:32:52 <blingme> E.g., do we intend to be able to run on Nokia N900 ? 18:33:17 <blino> blingme: not phone in a first time, Mageia would be more suited to tablets and smartbooks 18:33:32 <blino> like the AlwaysInnovating Touchbook, or the Genesi Smartbook 18:33:49 <rtp> blingme: it's omap3 and phone. this makes 2 "annoying" problems 18:34:16 <misc> blino: so anything to add on the pandaboard topic ? 18:34:21 <rtp> aka we don't have support for phone and omap3 18:34:45 <misc> ( not that I want to interrupt the discussion and be impolite ) 18:35:47 * misc wonder if speaking of arm would be a good discussion to replace the one about browser and releases on -dev 18:36:00 <ennael> :)) 18:36:02 <rtp> misc: no side tracking please :) 18:36:19 <ennael> misc: we could ask rtp to manage this :) 18:36:48 <ennael> anything else on that topic ? 18:37:08 * misc guess not but wait on blino 18:37:53 <blino> no, that's finished for me (sorry for the lag) 18:37:57 <misc> no problem 18:38:00 <misc> #topic epoll 18:38:12 <misc> Nanar: up to you 18:38:31 <Nanar> Epoll v2 has been massively review, fixed, and translated 18:38:54 <Nanar> except in some useless plugins, no french remains 18:39:14 <Nanar> it has been translated in french and german 18:39:20 <Nanar> #link http://forge.ipsl.jussieu.fr/epoll/demotrunk/ 18:39:32 <Nanar> here the link to v2 for testing purpose 18:39:42 <misc> #info epoll v2 has been reviewed, tested and translated in french and german ( and soon in italian ) 18:40:01 <Nanar> no news about italian at time 18:40:29 <Nanar> for me, the soft is ready to use 18:40:38 <Nanar> and soon ready to release 18:40:40 <misc> is there a official release :) ? 18:40:58 <Nanar> not yet, but make rpm works 18:41:31 <misc> ennael: so, when do we want to have a server ready ? 18:41:50 <Nanar> but test welcome to ensure we miss nothing 18:42:00 <ennael> well would be nice for beginning of next week 18:42:22 <misc> i can do it so 18:42:36 <Nanar> just generated this: Epoll-1.90-1mdv2011.0.noarch.rpm 18:42:41 <misc> #action misc install epoll on mageia server for beginning of next week 18:43:30 <ennael> Nanar: does it need more testing ? 18:43:42 <blingme> Nanar: is it possible to have a web designer look at it? 18:43:55 <blingme> It does look a bit "functional" ... 18:44:06 <blingme> (ie, not pretty) 18:44:11 <ennael> blingme: you don't like Nanar pure design? :) 18:44:22 <Nanar> ennael: I don't think, but more test are always welcome 18:44:26 <misc> blingme: i started looking at it ( i am no web designer, but I was working in HCI ), but we wanted to not change it too much before release 18:44:32 <blingme> ennael: I won't criticise, as I can't do any better .... 18:44:33 <Nanar> blingme: everything is welcome 18:44:53 <Nanar> blingme: I am good to do Web App, not to design HTML 18:44:54 <misc> ( so we focused on tests and translations ) 18:45:52 <Nanar> misc is true, some change in template can break it, so avoiding massive changes ensure to not break it 18:46:13 <blingme> Nanar: indeed, but I was wondering if someone who has a bit of design experience could look at the templaet 18:46:17 <Nanar> the goal was to have it ready to works 18:46:53 <misc> i guess we could ask help to the web team after the first batch of poll 18:46:59 <Nanar> blingme: but any help is appreciate for later version 18:47:06 <blingme> It is unclear what the dropdown and the "Submit Query" button next to it do .... 18:47:23 <misc> this could be changed easyly, i wanted to do it too 18:47:51 <blingme> maybe change the button text to "Change Language"? 18:48:05 <misc> yup 18:48:14 * misc will do after the meeting 18:48:23 <blingme> any further feedback I have I will send by mail 18:48:26 * blingme stops sidetracking misc 18:48:32 <Nanar> :) 18:48:33 <misc> :) 18:48:45 <Nanar> ah notice 18:48:45 <misc> anyway, on epoll, Nanar , ennael anything to add ? 18:48:51 <ennael> nope 18:48:56 <Nanar> The version on forge.ipsl can be used 18:49:07 <ennael> maybe plan to ask webteam to have a look on it ? 18:49:10 <Nanar> I don't plan to remove it 18:49:17 <Nanar> if it can be usefull 18:50:25 <Nanar> was the last point for me 18:50:29 <misc> good 18:50:42 <misc> #topic candidating for hosting by Free foundation 18:50:48 <misc> ennael: up to you 18:50:52 <ennael> yep 18:51:22 <ennael> we have now sent all information needed for applying on Free foundation for hosting 18:51:36 <ennael> we had to send a full description of all servers 18:51:47 <ennael> give some figures about bw 18:52:11 <ennael> and explain who will have to go to datacenter in case of need 18:52:29 <ennael> so now we "just" have to wait for final decision 18:52:38 <ennael> it seems it should not be long 18:52:38 <misc> no ETA ? 18:52:42 <ennael> nope 18:52:56 <misc> #info all informations have been sent, we are waiting on their answer 18:53:04 <misc> #info answer should not be long 18:53:09 <ennael> also as i'm on that topic 18:53:28 <ennael> I spoke with the guys who proposed hosting for mageia official forum 18:53:44 <ennael> the guy is technical manager of Nfrance datacenter in Toulouse 18:54:18 <ennael> they have very good references and focus on open source hosting 18:54:33 <ennael> so we will share a server with MLO 18:54:45 <ennael> and they also proposed to host some other servers if needed 18:55:10 <misc> do he have a name ? ( and is he ok to tell it to us ? ) 18:55:20 <ennael> Julien DAL 18:55:26 <ennael> (xkomodor) 18:55:44 <misc> #info ennael spoke with Julien dal ( xkomodor ) about forum hosting 18:55:49 * misc have seen julien at rmll 18:55:54 <ennael> arf :) 18:57:38 <ennael> I guess taht's all for that topic 18:58:16 <misc> good 18:58:29 <misc> #topic ldap directory and tools review 18:58:49 <misc> i guess blingme can speak of this :) 18:58:55 <ennael> yep 18:59:03 <blingme> So, we have briefly tested phpbb with LDAP 18:59:21 <blingme> it works fine, without any real effort 18:59:47 <blingme> I created an "application" account for phpbb (anonymous access to LDAP is very limited, I plan to not allow any real anonymous access) 19:00:00 <blingme> I created an account for maat, which he used after applying the settings I provided 19:00:09 <blingme> I was also able to login to the forum 19:00:35 <blingme> I haven't progressed much with gosa, I installed the Mandriva package, which doesn't work (php too new, gosa too old) 19:00:47 <blingme> I am updating the package now, and will test it further 19:01:03 <misc> #info ldap and phpbb work fine 19:01:04 <blingme> I think it should be able to do all we need (there are some nice plugins) 19:01:11 <misc> #info gosa need to be updated 19:01:53 <blingme> The only issues is that php (trunk) still doesn't have support for controls, so it won't be able to e.g. tell a contributor that their account has been locked out 19:02:10 <blingme> I have a perl CGI for stuff like that 19:02:39 <blingme> Anyway, I will play with gosa a bit on my own machines, and try and get a nice config that does what we need 19:02:56 <blingme> once I have that ... can I go ahead and install on the ldap box? Or should it go somewhere else? 19:03:07 <ennael> I have a question about ldap 19:03:18 <ennael> I will speak later about teams 19:03:29 <ennael> one thing we would like to setup quickly is team ML 19:03:35 <ennael> and switch to Sympa 19:03:46 <neoclust> blingme: for gosa we need to use http://gitweb.kde.org/websites/identity-kde-org.git 19:03:53 <misc> blingme: personnaly, I am not a huge fan of having php on the box with ldap, as php is a security nightmare that should be eradicated with flame thrower, or at least, be kept in some machine 19:03:55 <blingme> ok 19:04:24 <ennael> can we register people on wiki in ldap directory to start with with minimum account? 19:04:24 <blingme> neoclust: I will look at that too, but I also want to play with vanilla gosa 19:04:55 <neoclust> blingme: they added nice features i think this the version to really use 19:04:59 <misc> ennael: well, if we later need to add information to their account ? 19:05:05 <blingme> ennael: how many ? 19:05:11 <ennael> misc: that's my question 19:05:12 <neoclust> blingme: you can look to the git depo to see the features they have added 19:05:14 <boklm> one problem maybe is that we only have their email address, and we don't know what login name they would like 19:05:29 <ennael> blingme: someting like 9 groups and a total of 250 users 19:05:32 <ennael> something like that 19:05:32 <blingme> misc: well, they should be able to add any personal stuff, for more access, we probably need it vetted 19:06:31 <ennael> sympa can use ldap request to manage registration for a ML 19:06:38 <blingme> misc: is there another machine we could run gosa or similar from ? 19:06:52 <ennael> blingme: we have 2 VMs in Gandi 19:07:03 <blingme> ennael: for that number, it might be best to finish working on something that allows users to register themselves 19:07:15 <ennael> yerk 19:07:17 <boklm> blingme: we would like to make a script to create all the accounts on ldap, and send them a password by email, would that be possible ? 19:07:18 <blingme> for 10-20 or so I am ok 19:07:22 <blingme> ok, so should I put gosa on web1? 19:07:39 <blingme> boklm: sure it's possible, but it's still a bit of work collecting 250 usernames and email addresses 19:08:02 <blingme> (but, if the list can be provided, I can do it) 19:08:10 <boklm> blingme: we have them in text files, but problem is that we only have email address 19:08:10 <ennael> blingme: we have lists already 19:08:13 <ennael> ready to use 19:08:31 <blingme> incl. desired username? 19:08:32 <misc> blingme: i think you should discuss with sysadmin team 19:08:37 <boklm> would they be able to change their username later, if we assign them a random username ? 19:09:03 <blingme> boklm: not on their own at present ... 19:09:21 <blingme> I am not sure if they would be able to change it for themselves in future 19:09:25 <boklm> ok 19:09:35 <blingme> (it can quite easily be done by admin) 19:09:50 <misc> well, if the admin are ok to handle 300 requests :( 19:10:03 <blingme> but if they have used the forum, it's probably a bit more work .... 19:10:14 <boklm> so we have to find an other solution 19:10:23 <misc> so, we need to get username before creating the ml ? 19:10:23 <blingme> how soon do we want to migrate mailing lists to sympa? 19:10:36 <Nanar> I have a question about ldap usage ? can I ? 19:10:42 <blingme> Nanar: sure 19:10:44 <ennael> blingme: well as soon as possible 19:10:56 <misc> ennael: you really hate mailman :) 19:10:57 <ennael> to let teams organize themselves 19:11:05 <blingme> ennael: is Monday or so ok ? 19:11:06 <ennael> misc: guess :) 19:11:10 <ennael> blingme: sure 19:11:35 <dmorgan> hi 19:11:38 <Nanar> Do we want to use ldap for all applications we'll setup ? I mean including Postgres for exemple as soon the app support it ? 19:11:49 <boklm> Nanar: postgres ? 19:11:55 <blingme> ok, I'll try and have something supporting registering by Monday, but will need assistance/approval from sysadmin to get it running 19:12:09 <blingme> Nanar: I think that is for sysadmins to discuss .... 19:12:11 <Nanar> postgres support ldap authentication, yes 19:12:20 <ennael> blingme: ok 19:12:25 <blingme> Nanar: for pg, AFAIK, it supports both LDAP and Kerberps 19:12:27 <boklm> Nanar: do we need users to authenticate on the database ? 19:12:30 <misc> Nanar: only if this make sense, and I think it wouldn't in most use case we will have 19:12:41 <blingme> I would prefer Kerberos for real people 19:12:53 <Nanar> misc: it centralize password 19:12:58 <blingme> database accounts used by applications should probably stay in the database 19:13:12 <Nanar> blingme: both are possible 19:13:25 <blingme> but if e.g. web team needs database access, those should be by LDAP 19:13:31 <blingme> or Kerberos 19:13:41 <Nanar> I am not talking specifically about postgres, postgres is just an exemple that come to me 19:13:46 <misc> well, I will had the postgres possibility in the ldap spec I will finish for monday 19:13:59 <misc> Nanar: we will discuss this after the meeting 19:14:01 <ennael> add ? 19:14:25 <misc> ennael: yeah, i am constantly using had and add in the wrong way :( 19:14:49 * blingme apologises for lag ... 2s latency from home to office 19:15:32 <blingme> is there anything else I should be working on now? mediawiki+LDAP ? 19:15:54 <ennael> yep that one 19:15:58 <blingme> (I do need to document everything further ... which I will try and do over the weekend too) 19:16:04 <ennael> wordpress ? 19:16:15 <misc> i think you should see with the web team 19:16:15 <blingme> wordpress-mu has some LDAP plugin 19:16:32 <blingme> (I think I linked to it on the directory page on the wiki) 19:16:49 <misc> ( and I think some people were against mediawiki, and so it would be nice to at least discuss with the community about what they want before pushig tools :/ ) 19:16:57 <blingme> Will we be provided @mageia.org email aliases? 19:17:10 <blingme> misc: mojomojo ? 19:17:29 <boklm> blingme: yes, but maybe not to all users 19:17:31 <rtp> blingme: we need a mail server first and then we may think about mail aliases 19:17:56 <ennael> misc: was just thinking about testing 19:18:02 <blingme> rtp: yes ... but I may need to take it into account for users registering accounts now ... 19:18:25 <blingme> (e.g. populate mailForwardingAddress or similar, not just 'mail') 19:18:27 <misc> ennael: sure, but people may assume that's the real one :) 19:18:47 <Nanar> hum 19:18:54 <blingme> we can always password protect it ... 19:19:16 <Nanar> about ldap, I startedd an ldap plugin for epoll, should I work on it ? 19:19:50 <misc> blingme: there is lots of solution, we just need to be aware, and be ready for a 3 weeks long discussion about the comparative merit of every 50 possibles solution 19:19:51 <Nanar> can it be usefull soon ? 19:19:55 <blingme> Nanar: what does it do? Just authentication? 19:20:06 <Nanar> blingme: fetching mail + auth 19:20:07 <boklm> Nanar: it can be useful later 19:20:08 <misc> it import the list of voters from ldap 19:20:29 <misc> for now, we have csv, but for the next batch of vote, this would be useful, yes 19:20:47 <blingme> Nanar: the Catalys authentication provide for LDAP should do all you need 19:20:57 <blingme> just needs some stuff in your config 19:21:12 <blingme> (for auth) 19:21:31 <Nanar> blingme: it's a bit more due epoll constraint, but it's out off topic :) 19:21:44 <blingme> for pulling voter list, Model::LDAP should make it relatively easy 19:21:55 <blingme> ok 19:22:18 <blingme> Nanar: let me play with epoll a bit before I answer fully (to understand how it works) 19:23:00 <blino> how will the users register in this ldap? will gosa allow to do that automatically? 19:23:01 <misc> the discussion is interessant, out of topic, but interessant, so maybe this could be done on -dev ml ? ( so we could have something less repetitive than browser discussion ) ? 19:23:15 <misc> blino: yes, that's the idea 19:23:31 <misc> like identity.kde.org, like fedora account system, and like lauchpad 19:23:38 <misc> ( if I understood well ) 19:24:08 <Nanar> so people register themself 19:24:14 <blingme> blino: yes, the plan is to allow users to register themself 19:24:24 <Nanar> but an admin is need to win power ? 19:24:29 <misc> Nanar: yup 19:24:30 <boklm> Nanar: yes 19:24:37 <blingme> I am not sure if gosa itself will do it, or if I will have to pull some from the git clone KDE uses 19:24:42 <Nanar> works for me 19:25:06 <blingme> by default, user will just be registered as "inetOrgPerson", with username, password, email address, and any other personal details 19:25:06 <misc> speaking of admin, anything to add on ldap, or can we go on the next topic, ie sysadmin ? 19:25:32 <Nanar> could be nice if some people could have some delegation 19:25:32 <blingme> so, access to forum, wiki etc., not much else 19:25:45 <Nanar> but maybe later 19:26:02 <blingme> Nanar: from LDAP side that is no problem, will have to see about providing interface for it 19:26:25 <blingme> misc: nothing from me 19:26:26 <misc> #action see if gosa support delegation of power to change group and so on 19:26:29 <misc> ok 19:26:29 <Nanar> ok 19:26:38 <misc> #topic sysadmin review 19:26:49 <misc> boklm: up to you, if you have finished to eat fries 19:27:24 <boklm> ok, so for sysadmin, we started some discussions on sysadm mailing list 19:27:39 <boklm> we are thinking about using puppet to manage servers configuration 19:27:48 <boklm> and store the configuration on svn 19:28:42 * pterjan has his google mentor a puppetcamp in San Francisco currently 19:28:44 <pterjan> at 19:28:47 <boklm> :) 19:28:48 <blino> boklm: whih sysadm ML? has it been announced somewhere? 19:29:10 <boklm> blino: for now, it is was a private mailing list, but we are thinking about making it pubilc 19:29:12 <misc> we have also discussed about opening archives of the ml, for those that want to read it 19:29:20 <boklm> yes 19:29:24 <misc> blino: in previous episo^W meeting 19:29:32 <misc> but maybe we could be more public 19:29:40 <boklm> yes 19:30:02 <boklm> so we should open archives 19:30:22 <boklm> we are discussing about using a ticket system 19:31:04 <misc> #info sysadmin ml will be public soon 19:31:32 <boklm> and soon we should start to setup first services like dns, or mageia web site 19:31:34 <misc> #info software planned : puppet + svn + ticket system ( either bugzilla or something else, still discussed ) 19:31:37 <blino> boklm: why puppet and not cfengine like at Mdv? couldn't we use git too instead of svn? 19:31:59 <misc> blino: cfengine 2 is deprecated, and no one know cfengine 3 19:32:09 <blingme> boklm: besides ticket system, what about inventory, ip address etc.? 19:32:20 <misc> and svn because git hooks are slightly more complex ( imho ) 19:32:24 <blingme> (e.g., glpi does all of those, not extremely well) 19:32:41 <misc> ( i tried puppet + git, and despites loving git, I prefered to go back to svn ) 19:32:48 <boklm> blingme: we can look at it 19:33:21 <boklm> blingme: what does glpi do ? 19:33:33 <misc> afaik, guillomovitch is a fusion inventory contrib 19:33:34 <blino> misc: boklm : but this means we will have to migrate to puppet all the cfengine config files from the cluster, could be heavier than just migrating to cfgengine3 19:34:08 <Nanar> boklm: glpi hardware / software inventory 19:34:11 <misc> blino: well, the vast majority of cfengine config on the cluster was to be sure that 40 services were not started 19:34:31 <blino> not just this 19:34:38 <blino> and to replicate files from /var/lib/config on the local systems 19:34:48 <boklm> and copy files in some directories 19:34:49 <blino> like local scripts, or ssh public keys 19:35:19 <misc> blino: well, for what it is worth, guillomovitch also plan to migrate zarb to puppet 19:35:21 <boklm> blino: ssh keys ? 19:36:04 <Nanar> boklm: ~root/.ssh/authorized_keys I guess 19:36:14 <blino> no, all packagers ssh pub keys 19:36:18 <boklm> I think ssh keys were not manager by cfengine 19:36:39 <boklm> we had a script in cron to extract ssh keys from ldap 19:36:46 <blino> /var/lib/config/cfengine/cfengine.conf: /var/lib/config/pubkeys dest=/var/lib/pubkeys type=sum recurse=inf ignore=*~ ignore=RCS 19:37:02 <blino> yes, to extract them from ldap, but only on kenobi 19:37:21 <blino> then the keys where copied from kenobi to other nodes, without extracting from ldap again 19:37:28 <misc> well, anyway, we could discuss technologics issue outside f the meeting, i would love to have feedback on this, but that's maybe not the right moment 19:37:37 <boklm> blino: ah ok 19:37:49 <rtp> misc: \o/ 19:37:49 <boklm> blino: for copying files like this, I think puppet has the same features 19:38:18 <Nanar> puppet has server for distributing files 19:38:30 * blingme has people waiting for him before starting movie ... will leave if not needed .... 19:38:42 <blino> and cfengine was also used to update files like fstab 19:38:53 <misc> blino: puppet can also do it 19:39:00 <blino> puppet probably has the same features, but we have to make sure we migrate everything 19:39:07 <blino> i.e., pick a lucky guy to do that 19:39:11 <boklm> it looks like puppet has many plugins for various config files 19:39:19 <misc> I guess I will do it 19:39:19 <blingme> I think feature set is quite simialr, but it will eb some work to migrate 19:39:35 <misc> blingme: the mdv config fileis quite simple 19:39:53 <misc> anyway, on the sysadmin review, nothing to add ? 19:40:04 <blino> my point is that we are not so many people in the team, and we don't need more work, so keeping it same way as before can be a good thing too 19:40:08 <Nanar> blingme: I think you can go, good movie :) 19:40:19 <blingme> thanks ... bye 19:41:08 <boklm> blino: yes, but I don't think it's a lot of work, and maybe it can save us time later by using a better tool 19:41:28 <Nanar> puppet is not quite complex 19:41:59 <Nanar> and once first setup are done, I think others things are easy 19:42:19 <blino> just have to find the right balance, spending time migrating if there is no clear benefit, that's not so useful 19:42:32 <Nanar> I succeed to use puppet ! so you will not have problem 19:43:16 <boklm> blino: and maybe it's a good idea anyway to look at all files from mandriva bs, to remove unused ones and do some cleaning 19:43:46 <blino> yep 19:44:47 <misc> well, anything else to add on the review ? 19:44:52 <Nanar> yes 19:44:57 <Nanar> a question 19:45:07 <Nanar> I am in charge off mirror 19:45:25 <Nanar> so I'll probably need root access or root action on the server 19:45:42 <Nanar> I'll have to find my place somewhere in sysadmin team 19:45:49 <Nanar> What is the best ? 19:45:56 <boklm> Nanar: so, maybe you can join sysadmin team 19:46:01 <misc> yup 19:46:06 <misc> come to the dark side 19:46:09 <Nanar> I subscribe to sysadmin ML and discuss about this ? 19:46:25 <Nanar> ok 19:46:29 <boklm> Nanar: I add you to the list 19:46:30 <Nanar> so I come 19:46:35 <Nanar> boklm: thanks 19:46:40 <blino> boklm: can you please add me as well? 19:46:46 <boklm> blino: ok 19:46:54 <misc> #action boklm add blino and nanar as sysadm 19:47:23 <misc> now there is 10 people in the ml, I guess we will be enough to manage the 3 servers 19:47:32 <ennael> :) 19:48:22 <blino> outch, it was a trap! 19:48:24 <misc> anyway, speaking of organisation, can we go on the last topic ? 19:48:33 <ennael> no more sysadmin topic ? 19:48:43 <misc> i do not see anything :) 19:49:20 <boklm> maybe blingme can be part of sysadmin team too (for ldap part) ? 19:49:57 <misc> boklm: well, if we are too much, we will just be ineffective I fear 19:50:22 <boklm> ok 19:50:30 <ennael> would be nice to have ldap expert inside 19:50:32 <misc> when I see the discussion in this meeting, I do not really have much hope about being productive in a team of 11 people to manage ... 8 servers 19:52:00 <Nanar> notice that I enter in sysadmin, but first step is finding my place 19:52:12 <Nanar> and definig my role :) 19:53:02 <misc> #action boklm discuss with blingme if he want to be in sysadmin team 19:53:13 <misc> anything else to add ? 19:53:22 <boklm> not for me 19:53:45 <misc> #topic start with global organization 19:54:37 <misc> ( yeah, ennael , up to you ) 19:54:42 <ennael> oups 19:54:45 <ennael> ok 19:55:08 <ennael> we would like to start team work next week as soon as ML are up 19:55:29 <ennael> we are working on some guidelines about what we wait about organization 19:55:41 <ennael> vote for representative and leaders 19:55:54 <ennael> and fix various internal process 19:56:02 <misc> we == ? 19:56:15 <ennael> I worked on it with romain 19:56:40 <ennael> as soon it looks like readable I will post an url for proof reading and comments 19:57:01 <misc> #info ennael and rda worked on guildeline about organisation, and vote for leader and representative 19:57:27 <ennael> so next week we hope that we will have representatives elected and work started 19:58:37 <ennael> we had some big discussions about words 19:58:45 <ennael> but I guess this should be solved soon 19:59:17 <t_m_b> you mean the master-"slave" on the ml ? 19:59:23 <ennael> yep :) 20:00:09 <t_m_b> people is reading _way_ too much into what someone writes ... 20:00:16 <ennael> sure 20:00:25 <rtp> yeah 20:01:09 * misc had a 3 points explication when he gave his opinion about this 20:01:21 <ennael> add ? 20:01:30 <misc> no, had 20:01:31 <ennael> oh no, had 20:01:57 * Nanar have to go, will read log 20:02:26 <misc> well, anything else to add ( yes, add ) ? 20:02:30 <ennael> :) 20:02:33 <ennael> not for now 20:02:41 <ennael> also planning a blog post 20:02:49 <misc> #info blog post is planned 20:02:54 <ennael> to give a review on what is going on 20:03:00 <ennael> so I will need ahmad78 lights :) 20:03:22 <ennael> and finally I sent an email to Pascal blaser about FOSDEM 20:03:30 <ennael> to ask for a room at least 1/2 day 20:03:38 <ennael> for our first general meeting 20:04:00 <misc> #info fosdem have been contacted for 1st general assembly 20:04:53 <boklm> did you ask for the big amphitheatre ? :) 20:05:10 <ennael> maybe a bit small :) 20:06:57 <misc> nothing to add ? 20:08:04 <misc> guess not 20:08:08 <ennael> nope 20:08:20 <misc> thanks for being there, ready for next week meeting 20:08:25 <misc> #endmeeting