19:15:01 <papoteur> #startmeeting
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19:15:34 <papoteur> #chair lebarhon
19:15:34 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lebarhon papoteur
19:15:36 <papoteur> is marja away ?
19:16:01 <papoteur> simonnzg: are you here ?
19:16:21 <papoteur> Hi yurchor
19:16:32 <lebarhon> Marja said she can't be there tonight
19:16:35 <yurchor> papoteur: Hi!
19:16:36 <papoteur> Currently a meeting just started
19:16:46 <papoteur> lebarhon: OK
19:17:17 <papoteur> lebarhon: You gave a good summary of things to work on.
19:17:59 <papoteur> lebarhon: Is it full for now, or you have to complete the list?
19:18:39 <lebarhon> No more ideas at the moment, may be it is enough ?
19:18:47 <marja> hi all
19:18:49 <papoteur> lebarhon: yes
19:18:57 <lebarhon> hi marja
19:19:00 <papoteur> marja: Hi
19:19:11 <yurchor> Hi!
19:19:20 <papoteur> #topic We have to do a better integration of UEFI in the installer help and MCC help, with SC.
19:19:22 <marja> my connection to this irssi session might drop any minut
19:19:25 <simonnzg> Yes. I'm here
19:19:25 <marja> e
19:19:31 <marja> so sorry if I'm silent
19:19:52 <papoteur> marja: no problem, you're welcome.
19:19:59 <marja> thx :-)
19:20:43 <papoteur> UEFI modify diskdrake behaviour.
19:21:00 <papoteur> s/modifies
19:21:21 <lebarhon> not that much
19:21:26 <papoteur> thus partitionning steps are impacted
19:22:17 <papoteur> a ESP partition has to be created or mounted.
19:24:20 <papoteur> I think this page has to be altered : http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/installer/content/doPartitionDisks.html
19:24:21 <[mbot> [ Partitioning ]
19:25:22 <papoteur> lebarhon: do you agree?
19:26:24 <lebarhon> Yes but It should be great if we had Windows 8.x
19:26:55 <lebarhon> Many users want a dual boot Win 8/Mageia5
19:27:43 <papoteur> lebarhon: I have one.
19:28:01 <lebarhon> Can you make the SC
19:28:16 <papoteur> Yes
19:28:58 <papoteur> #action Papoteur will make SC of partitionnig steps with Win8
19:29:50 <papoteur> papoteur: I think we can add that in Custom, we an "automatic" option.
19:30:37 <papoteur> I encountered a problem (Bug ?) with "Use full space". The ESP was not proposed.
19:31:11 <papoteur> In VirtualBox/UEFI.
19:31:42 <lebarhon> Is "Use full space" the option that use all the disks, not only the selected one ?
19:32:02 <papoteur> Custom/automatic worked.
19:32:36 <papoteur> lebarhon: I think this is no more the case.
19:33:40 <lebarhon> I can have a look about each option on a real HW
19:34:21 <lebarhon> then propose a new text for doPartitionDisks
19:34:37 <papoteur> OK, thanks
19:34:49 <lebarhon> and papoteur makes the SC
19:35:04 <papoteur> #action lebarhon proposes a new text for doPartitionDisks
19:35:14 <papoteur> lebarhon: of course ;)
19:35:54 <papoteur> It's all for partitioning ?
19:36:21 <papoteur> The next part is bootloader.
19:36:29 <lebarhon> there is also MCC, I think
19:36:58 <papoteur> lebarhon: Yes, you're right
19:37:32 <papoteur> http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/drakdisk.html
19:37:33 <[mbot> [ Manage disk partitions ]
19:39:26 <papoteur> What is specific to UEFI in this page?
19:39:49 <papoteur> The ESP should already be there.
19:40:07 <lebarhon> not sure there is something to add
19:40:45 <papoteur> After a clear all?
19:41:24 <lebarhon> Clear all partitions ?
19:41:47 <papoteur> lebarhon: yes
19:41:57 <lebarhon> it could be a disaster
19:42:18 <lebarhon> I don't think we can mabage the ESP with MCC
19:42:27 <lebarhon> *manage
19:43:03 <papoteur> We can say what is it and it's a ggod idea to keep it.
19:43:10 <papoteur> s/good
19:43:46 <lebarhon> What about this page: http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/drakboot--boot.html
19:43:48 <[mbot> [ Set up boot system ]
19:44:39 <lebarhon> Is MCC able to change some parameters in Grub2-efi ?
19:46:32 <papoteur> lebarhon: yes, it manage the bootloader yet.
19:46:38 <lebarhon> Is grub-customizer stille needed ?
19:46:50 <lebarhon> *still
19:47:05 <papoteur> Just it can't change the default entry.
19:47:24 <papoteur> lebarhon: no, I didn't use it.
19:48:20 <papoteur> Perhaps some systems are not well detected. barjac?
19:48:36 <lebarhon> With grub2 (not efi) MCC can't change anything, you need grub-customizer
19:49:27 <papoteur> lebarhon: Ah, perhaps, i used only grub2-efi.
19:50:23 <lebarhon> papoteur: did you try to change "Delay before booting" with grub-efi ?
19:50:50 <papoteur> We have to mention grub legacy, grub2 as bootloader choices.
19:51:05 <papoteur> lebarhon: no
19:51:22 <lebarhon> I am not sure it works
19:51:38 <lebarhon> I will do some tests
19:51:49 <papoteur> I can try easyly (Mageia 4).
19:52:08 <lebarhon> Mageia 4 isn't UEFI
19:52:13 <papoteur> and Mageia 5
19:52:46 <papoteur> Ok, my bootloader is from Mageia 5.
19:53:37 <papoteur> #action trying to change delay for booting with grub2-efi
19:54:26 <papoteur> The page you cited is already with UEFI specific stuff.
19:56:00 <papoteur> is lilo always present?
19:57:16 <lebarhon> Probably, but of course not with Grub2-efi, so the page need to be re-written
19:57:54 <lebarhon> I never tested Security either, working with efi ?
19:59:42 <papoteur> lebarhon: I didn't check. Do you mean Msec?
20:00:37 <lebarhon> No Security in the boot system, under Delay before booting
20:01:25 <papoteur> #action papoteur proposes a new text for bootloader page.
20:02:10 <papoteur> lebarhon: I don't follow you.
20:02:49 <lebarhon> here http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/drakboot--boot.html
20:02:50 <[mbot> [ Set up boot system ]
20:03:06 <lebarhon> after "Main options"
20:03:44 <papoteur> lebarhon: OK !
20:04:03 <papoteur> I never tried.
20:04:35 <lebarhon> me neither
20:06:06 <papoteur> All for this topic?
20:06:45 <papoteur> #topic This page [1] is not relevant for Windows 8.x and over, we need to urgently write a new one.
20:07:27 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Installation_of_Mageia_in_dual_boot_with_Windows
20:07:57 <lebarhon> This page is for Windows XP to Seven
20:08:15 <papoteur> lebarhon: You was the main writer for this page, isn't it?
20:08:40 <lebarhon> you are right
20:09:17 <papoteur> but you don't have Win8 for updating it.
20:11:02 <lebarhon> I don't have either Win 8 or experience for the troubleshooting part
20:12:08 <papoteur> Seems to be a big job :/
20:12:21 <lebarhon> I never used win 8.0 and for example, I don't know how to proceed if the PC doesn't boot
20:12:42 <lebarhon> Whereas I knex XP pretty well
20:12:50 <lebarhon> *knew
20:13:22 <papoteur> lebarhon: yes, it's different, with fast boot, secure boot and so on.
20:14:12 <lebarhon> and the famous Windows Product key is now in the ESP, not simple if you need a formating
20:15:02 <papoteur> lebarhon: I will prepare some informations, at least before to see what is to modify.
20:15:21 <papoteur> :/
20:15:34 <lebarhon> Everything is different more difficult and needs more skills to install Linux alongside Windows
20:16:03 <papoteur> I have Win, but have very poor usage of it.
20:16:50 <lebarhon> There is this page for a start https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Installing_on_systems_with_UEFI_firmware
20:17:02 <lebarhon> But there is no troubleshooting !
20:17:23 <papoteur> this should be compaed with documentation of other distro.
20:17:57 <papoteur> :compared
20:18:07 <lebarhon> papoteur: Did you re-install Win 8 from scratch ?
20:18:53 <papoteur> lebarhon: never !
20:19:34 <lebarhon> avoid it :)
20:19:57 <papoteur> no, I upgraded a Windows 7 to Windows 8.
20:20:25 <papoteur> :)
20:20:41 <lebarhon> and your Windows is UEFI ?
20:21:32 <papoteur> I think it is better to keep the first page as it is, and complete the second.
20:22:09 <papoteur> lebarhon: yes, it's mandatory for windows 8
20:22:48 <lebarhon> But you had to format the whole disk and you lost your data ...
20:24:16 <papoteur> lebarhon: I don't remember well
20:25:17 <papoteur> what do you think about my proposition ?
20:25:39 <lebarhon> We must find somebody to write a wiki page about dual boot Win8/mageia5
20:26:19 <lebarhon> which first page ?
20:26:30 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Installation_of_Mageia_in_dual_boot_with_Windows
20:26:40 <papoteur> this one
20:27:22 <lebarhon> and the second ?
20:27:37 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Installing_on_systems_with_UEFI_firmware
20:27:44 <lebarhon> OK thanks
20:28:04 <lebarhon> I can't do it :(
20:28:23 <papoteur> I understood. :/
20:28:57 <papoteur> I wil try to do something.
20:29:21 <papoteur> I think It's late yet, isn't it?
20:30:03 <papoteur> Meeting next week, or in two weeks
20:30:06 <lebarhon> Yep, do you know something about the postmortem meeting ?
20:30:24 <papoteur> No
20:30:57 <lebarhon> we have to think to something, we can do it in ML
20:31:03 <papoteur> in QA?
20:31:30 <lebarhon> all teams
20:32:04 <papoteur> Ah, specific for docteam?
20:33:28 <lebarhon> sorry, I am not clear, docteam must prepare something for the postmortem meeting
20:33:36 <papoteur> I was not here for the last council meeting
20:34:04 <papoteur> lebarhon: which term?
20:34:44 <lebarhon> next week
20:34:56 <papoteur> Monday?
20:35:24 <lebarhon> I don't know, so I was asking, may be Marja knows more
20:35:42 <lebarhon> I was not at the last council meeting either
20:36:17 <papoteur> lebarhon: we have to send a message on the ML to have some comments.
20:36:28 <lebarhon> good idea
20:37:09 <papoteur> But we should give a term for the comments.
20:37:43 <lebarhon> indeed
20:38:07 <papoteur> Can you send it? I'm with no connection tomorrow
20:38:29 <lebarhon> OK
20:38:41 <papoteur> lebarhon: Thanks.
20:39:28 <lebarhon> end of the meeting ?
20:39:54 <papoteur> Yes
20:40:03 <papoteur> #endmeeting