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19:03:44 <marja> #chair lebarhon
19:03:44 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lebarhon marja
19:04:10 <marja> #topic What needs to be done for drakx-installer-help
19:05:08 <marja> #info a new page was added to drakx-installer-help, not all translators may have noticed
19:05:50 <yurchor> marje: Those who watch their translations should be noticed.
19:05:54 <marja> it was already translated into fr, de, uk, tr, nl (do I forget one)
19:06:03 <marja> yurchor: ah, that is good
19:06:12 <marja> ah, i forgot pt_br
19:06:39 <marja> yurchor: so the Spanish translators got a notification?
19:07:26 <yurchor> Do not know exactly, but I suppose they did.
19:07:30 <marja> I haven't really checked whether there are installer screens that changed
19:07:35 <marja> yurchor: thx
19:07:50 <marja> I'll switch a sec to QA channel to ask
19:09:31 <marja> asked them to ping me if they noticed a big change somewhere
19:12:28 <papoteur> hello, sorry, I am late.
19:12:33 <marja> papoteur: welcome!
19:12:39 <marja> #chair papoteur
19:12:39 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lebarhon marja papoteur
19:12:40 <lebarhon> hello papoteur
19:12:50 <yurchor> papoteur: Hi!
19:13:41 <pasmatt> marja: I can attend the meeting only occasionally, I'm sorry
19:13:45 <marja> apart from the graphical layer, I didn't notice big changes other than the sound screen
19:13:58 <pasmatt> anyway, hi all :)
19:14:00 <marja> pasmatt: no problem, welcome when you're around :-)
19:14:11 <marja> pasmatt: and welcome now ;-)
19:14:24 <papoteur> I think that a srceen will change.
19:14:41 <marja> papoteur: a screen?
19:14:50 <papoteur> For the selection of package, for what I saw on the dev-ml
19:15:08 <marja> papoteur: ah, was that a recent mail?
19:15:18 <papoteur> marja: yes, a screen ;)
19:15:37 <marja> papoteur: first there was going to be a change in the desktop choice screen, too, but it didn't happen
19:15:45 <papoteur> Yes, last week. I look for
19:15:53 <marja> papoteur: thx
19:16:09 <Qilaq> not sure but isn't something changed at the screen(s) where you can choose KDE, GNOME etc? Or was it postponed?
19:16:40 <marja> Qilaq: yes, that was done and reverted, because it looked like a christmas tree
19:16:42 <Qilaq> ah, marja already answered :-)
19:16:55 <papoteur> mail from TV 06/12/2013 at 10:17
19:17:03 <marja> Qilaq: but, they might still try to add a screen for that :-/
19:17:08 <marja> papoteur: thx, looking
19:17:10 <Qilaq> around the christmas it would have been nice to see ;-)
19:19:18 <marja> Qilaq: lol
19:19:33 <marja> papoteur: thx a lot for having noticed that mail
19:20:53 * yurchor just updated id translation to 100% too. Good job from Kiki.
19:21:18 <papoteur> https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/dev/2013-12/msg00168.html
19:21:19 <[mbot> [ dev - Developement discussion list - arc_protect ]
19:21:22 <marja> yurchor: great :-)
19:22:08 <marja> papoteur: tv wrote a mail about ANN how to ease installer debugging
19:22:18 <marja> the same day, 09:55h
19:23:12 <marja> I haven't tried yet (or dared to try :-þ )
19:23:20 <papoteur> Yes, I noticed, but did not try t.
19:24:52 <marja> papoteur: if we learn how to use it, it might be easier to write a help text for a new feature that is not yet available in a iso
19:25:26 <papoteur> Yes.
19:25:29 <marja> papoteur: and maybe it would also be possible to use it to make screenshots without beta or so
19:26:10 <marja> btw, about screenshots, I don't think there are enough of us to redo all screenshots just for a new theme or graphical layer
19:26:20 <papoteur> marja: Also. But I think that not all screens are available.
19:26:51 <marja> papoteur: which screens are not available?
19:27:00 <papoteur> marja: I agree with you.
19:27:24 <papoteur> marja: I think formatting.
19:30:03 <marja> papoteur: if we have a screenshot for it, then it was possible in the past... if we don't have a screenshot, then it is not in the publication any more, but i re-added resizeFATChoose.xml to the files to be translated, just in case that one gets restored
19:30:41 <marja> papoteur: ah, sorry
19:30:57 <marja> papoteur: you're talking about that diskdrake bug in installer!
19:31:38 <marja> papoteur: I expect it to get fixed
19:32:29 <marja> #info drakx-installer-help can't be updated after release, but it does *not* need screenshots
19:33:04 <marja> #info only the installer webhelp needs screenshots, if needed they can still be added after release
19:33:20 <papoteur> marja: OK
19:34:37 <marja> btw, the sound screen in installer changed (i hope the text I wrote is good, because all changes weren't yet in the screen when I wrote it), but draksound changes, too
19:34:49 <marja> draksound in MCC, that is
19:35:27 <papoteur> marja: should I have a look?
19:36:31 <marja> papoteur: that would be great. There is only ALSA available now, so tv removed the broad button on the first page
19:37:34 <marja> papoteur: and, IIUC, on the 2nd page it is no longer possible to select just any driver if we have a default one for the card
19:37:35 <papoteur> Ok, I will.
19:37:57 <marja> papoteur: and also not if there is no driver (again: IIUC)
19:38:04 <marja> papoteur: thx!
19:38:22 <marja> #action papoteur will update draksound in MCC
19:38:49 <marja> is there more on installer help?
19:39:13 <papoteur> When will it be released?
19:39:40 <marja> papoteur: the idea was at Fosdem
19:39:48 <marja> papoteur: so Februari 1st
19:40:31 <marja> #topic Wiki status
19:41:16 <marja> lebarhon: your turn..... what happened after your call for writers for desktop pages?
19:41:35 <lebarhon> I didn't get any answer :(
19:41:48 <marja> lebarhon: ouch! that is very sad
19:42:32 <lebarhon> Nobody updated the docteam wiki list either
19:43:13 <marja> lebarhon: :-(
19:43:34 <lebarhon> So either nobody saw the e-mail or ...
19:43:55 <marja> lebarhon: well, I guess the mail boxes of many people are flooded, I don't by far manage to read everything I should
19:44:51 <marja> lebarhon: this was a mail you sent to many at the same moment, I mean, not a separate mail for every single person?
19:46:15 <lebarhon> Yes, it was a mail to a list
19:46:33 <papoteur> I plan to do the page on KDE desktop.
19:46:41 <marja> papoteur: thx!
19:46:56 <lebarhon> Do you think that could make a difference ?
19:47:29 <yurchor> Sorry :( It is hard time for my country now. Does not have much time. :(
19:48:20 <yurchor> I will definitely want to help.
19:48:21 <marja> lebarhon: well, for bugsquad I mailed people separately at some point, that really helped to get more replies (although *not* to make inactive members active)
19:49:03 <papoteur> yurchor: For your people?
19:49:21 <marja> yurchor: we really hope things will work out well in Ukraine (I haven't had time to read news over the past 3 or 4 days)
19:49:57 <yurchor> marja: Thanks.
19:50:00 <marja> lebarhon: so if you don't want to invest time in that (in writing separate mails), then I can understand
19:50:22 <papoteur> yurchor: We are with you !
19:50:31 <marja> lebarhon: i think when Kernewes is back, she'll help, too
19:50:53 <yurchor> papoteur: Thanks. I will try to write something this week.
19:51:09 <marja> lebarhon: and I'll help after the last moment anything for docteam can be committed to go in Mga4 installer iso
19:51:14 <lebarhon> marja: you mean redo the call with separate mails ?
19:51:51 <marja> lebarhon: well, since it only helped to get replies, but *not* to make inactive members active in bugsquad
19:52:02 <marja> lebarhon: it might be spilled energy :-/
19:53:31 <lebarhon> marja: separate mails is only a question of copy/paste, I am not sure to really understand what you call separate mails
19:54:21 <marja> lebarhon: yes, copy, paste, change the "Hi <first person>" to "Hi <2nd person>"
19:54:27 <marja> lebarhon: and send
19:55:09 <lebarhon> Ok, kind of customizing
19:55:15 <marja> lebarhon: yes :-)
19:55:59 <lebarhon> I can do it, but may be not too soon after the first call
19:56:03 <marja> lebarhon: maybe adding a little line if you personally know the person would help, too
19:56:14 <marja> lebarhon: fine
19:56:43 <marja> lebarhon: adding a line that makes it even more personal, I mean
19:57:03 <lebarhon> I personnally know no one :(
19:58:27 <marja> lebarhon: ah, I thought you knew neggwada, because you said he stayed in docteam while he wasn't in your table
19:58:49 <marja> lebarhon: s/he wasn't/I didn't see him/
19:59:36 <marja> sometimes I don't see something, even if it is in front of me
19:59:55 <marja> is there more on the wiki?
20:00:34 <lebarhon> I forgot neggwada ?
20:00:56 <marja> lebarhon: well, or I didn't see that he was in the table ;-)
20:01:58 <lebarhon> I wil check
20:02:36 <marja> lebarhon: thx, but np if you can't or won't
20:02:47 <marja> anything else on the wiki?
20:03:13 <papoteur> marja: what about translation part?
20:04:01 <marja> papoteur: ah, obgr_seneca is no longer available for upgrading the wiki
20:04:12 <papoteur> I think no one is on the job?
20:04:16 <marja> papoteur: so we need to find someone else
20:04:19 <marja> papoteur: indeed
20:04:23 <lebarhon> I noticed openmandriva use MediaWiki with multilanguage features
20:04:46 <papoteur> Is Akien a ggod candidate for that ?
20:04:49 <marja> lebarhon: yes, and we can have that too, after upgrading
20:05:05 <marja> papoteur: don't know..... Akien, wdyt?
20:05:11 <lebarhon> Is that a lot of work ?
20:05:44 <marja> papoteur: maybe with help of the person who tested (need to find the mail on our ml, someone French, IIRC)
20:05:57 <marja> lebarhon: it needs sysadmin team intervention
20:06:11 <Akien> marja, papoteur: Well, as for packaging a newer version, I could have a go at it. I might also be able to find someone to help me with the packaging side
20:06:42 <Akien> As for what would be required of the sysadmins, I have no clue, but if it's brought to council by marja and I, it should give it some momentum
20:07:03 <marja> Akien: newer versions have been packaged for Mageia (but having hte last would be nice, I think I saw something about security issues)
20:07:40 <marja> Akien: let's try tonight
20:08:09 <papoteur> Akien: fine if you help \o/
20:08:26 <yurchor> +1
20:09:32 <Akien> marja: I can't do much tonight though, I'll be watching the council meeting with an eye, but I must study with the other one :p
20:09:35 <marja> Akien: last version is already being tested by QA https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11854
20:09:37 <[mbot> [ Bug 11854 mediawiki new security issues fixed upstream in 1.20.8 ]
20:10:17 <papoteur> OK. Is there another topic
20:10:31 <Akien> Latest release is 1.22.0, but maybe we want to stick with the 1.20.8 minor, I'll try to know that
20:11:08 <marja> Akien: wow, I had missed that..... thx!
20:11:28 <marja> papoteur: MCC help status, but we can postpone it
20:11:36 <Akien> (it seems upstream still issues security bugfixes for 1.19, 1.20 and 1.21)
20:11:50 <marja> Akien: we have 1.16
20:11:50 <Akien> That's some nice LTS :)
20:12:00 <Akien> Ah, so either way we'll have to upgrade
20:12:20 <Akien> I'll look at it during the week
20:12:33 <marja> Akien: thx a lot!
20:13:15 <marja> Akien: for the translate extension, nikerabbit is willing to help
20:13:34 <papoteur> Thx Akien (even you do not the same about me ;) )
20:13:56 <marja> Akien: Nemo_bis knows where to find nikerabbit :-)
20:14:46 <marja> papoteur: he does this for you... you asked him!
20:15:01 <papoteur> :)
20:15:02 <marja> s/asked/suggested/
20:15:33 <papoteur> #topic MCC help status
20:15:48 <Nemo_bis> hm
20:16:03 <marja> we still have several "empty" pages
20:16:10 <marja> Nemo_bis: welcome :-)
20:16:56 <papoteur> I think there is nothing new since the last meeting, isn't it ?
20:17:03 <lebarhon> Five empty pages and five to be completed
20:17:04 <marja> Nemo_bis: Akien and yurchor are i18n/l10n leaders, Akien is willing to help get our wiki upgraded (and he has more time than obgr_seneca has)
20:17:41 <marja> the broken drakwizzard tools, are they fixed now?
20:18:05 <marja> diogenese: do you happen to know? ^^^
20:18:06 <yurchor> tv told so
20:18:13 <marja> yurchor: ah, thx
20:18:41 <lebarhon> diiskdrake --removable is still out
20:19:02 <diogenese> marja: Not sure.
20:19:40 <marja> diogenese: are you available to help write those pages
20:19:46 <marja> diogenese: ?
20:20:24 <yurchor> Oops... So I was wrong. It was about http tools. Sorry.
20:21:16 <marja> well, if still broken, then writing the pages can wait till they work again
20:22:16 * marja would like to have a little break before council meeting ;-)
20:22:28 <marja> is there anything else on this topic?
20:22:39 <papoteur> No
20:23:05 <diogenese> marja: I'll take another look at them. Not one to use wizards, but if they're working, I'll see what I can do.
20:23:15 <marja> diogenese: thx a lot!
20:23:27 <papoteur> diogenese: thx
20:23:47 <marja> #action diogenese will look at the drakwizard tools and, if they work, see what he can do about writing help texts
20:24:01 <marja> shall we end the meeting?
20:24:08 <papoteur> Yes
20:24:12 <diogenese> The ones I tried failed last time. Makes it hard to write help for them.
20:24:26 <papoteur> diogenese: Sure !
20:24:32 <marja> diogenese: yes, don't write if they don't work :-D
20:24:44 <marja> #endmeeting