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19:01:41 <marja> #topic the mageiawelcome demo package
19:01:44 <Kernewes> sorry to be stupid, but what do we do with it when we've downloaded it?
19:01:52 <marja> Kernewes: install it
19:02:07 <marja> Kernewes: that is a normal question, btw
19:02:15 <Kernewes> then what happens?
19:02:45 <marja> Kernewes: then, after reboot, the Mageia Welcome screen pops up when your DE starts
19:03:04 <Kernewes> ah, that's what I was thinking, you have to re-boot to see the effect
19:03:09 <marja> Kernewes: after installing, you can also start it from cli
19:03:30 <marja> Kernewes: by just giving the command: mageiawelcome
19:03:34 <Kernewes> ah, thanks
19:03:53 <Kernewes> I'll try it with my alpha 1 install
19:03:57 <Kernewes> which is what I'm using now
19:04:01 <yurchor> Kernewes: H-m-m... Just start mageiawelcome without restarting...
19:04:17 <yurchor> From console.
19:04:29 <Kernewes> yurchor: why do you say that?
19:04:36 <marja> Kernewes: in alpha 1, it should also be in the program starters menu
19:04:49 <yurchor> Oops...
19:05:17 <yurchor> Kernewes: Because I'm typing too slow.
19:05:17 * swecarp sits here like a dum donkey  not knowing what ppl talking about probebly missed a mail
19:05:47 <yurchor> swecarp: http://repo.mageia.org.pl/mageiawelcome/
19:05:48 <[mbot> [ Index of /mageiawelcome ]
19:06:08 <yurchor> swecarp: A first version of the new Mageia welcome package.
19:06:11 <marja> #link http://repo.mageia.org.pl/mageiawelcome/mageiawelcome-0.1-1.mga4.noarch.rpm
19:06:24 <swecarp> ok
19:06:30 <marja> swecarp: you can download it here ^^^^
19:06:43 <swecarp> will take a look at it later
19:06:53 <swecarp> ave dl it alreddy
19:07:03 <marja> swecarp: it even installs fine in Mageia 2, wo whichever Mageia version you're in now, you can install it
19:07:10 <Kernewes> just done it
19:07:16 <marja> Kernewes: :)
19:07:24 <marja> Kernewes: take your time to have a look
19:07:45 <Kernewes> ooh, nice
19:08:00 <marja> it is :)
19:08:15 <Kernewes> Konsole gives an error message failed to load canberra-gtk-module but it still displays it
19:08:31 <marja> Kernewes: ah, you can ignore that message
19:09:11 <Kernewes> I did :)
19:09:21 <marja> :)
19:10:00 <swecarp> instald it
19:10:09 <marja> swecarp: nice
19:10:21 <marja> swecarp: do you manage to start it?
19:10:53 <swecarp> no
19:11:14 <marja> swecarp: go to a konsole/terminal and type: mageiawelcome
19:11:41 <marja> swecarp: as normal user
19:12:09 <swecarp> it dosent start unknown comand
19:12:36 <marja> swecarp: ah, I'm puzzled
19:13:03 <marja> swecarp: it didn't give any errors when installing?
19:13:57 <marja> swecarp: or maybe a typo in the command?
19:15:03 <yurchor> swecarp: Did you install the package by the link that was pasted by marja?
19:16:22 <swecarp> ops did use wrong link did get the sours file
19:16:48 <marja> swecarp: ah.... good you found out
19:17:13 <marja> swecarp: nothing bad happened to your system, you can just redo it
19:18:04 <swecarp> this looks realy nice
19:18:16 <marja> :)
19:18:53 <swecarp> hmm more translating todo
19:19:06 <marja> swecarp: indeed
19:19:08 <Kernewes> hmm more proofreading to to
19:19:13 <Kernewes> to do
19:19:15 <marja> Kernewes: indeed
19:19:36 <Kernewes> it'll be worth it though
19:19:47 <Kernewes> it does look good
19:19:49 <swecarp> but its a good start page with mutch info on it and usfull things
19:19:54 <marja> and maybe some pages to write... or existing wiki pages to be translated, too
19:20:32 * marja thinks there should be a more prominent link to wiki pages for newcomers/beginners
19:20:41 * Kernewes agrees
19:20:52 <Kernewes> how about a item Newcomers in the Documentation section?
19:20:59 <yurchor> marja: It depends on the text. It should be polished before splitting into Python variables.
19:21:34 <yurchor> Now it's just bulk index.html
19:21:35 <marja> yurchor: what depends on the text?
19:22:17 <yurchor> The text in index.html (should be coherent with icons and the list of default applications).
19:23:52 <yurchor> The text and the links should be translatable before the deadline for translatioms.
19:24:39 <marja> yurchor: OK.... there is room for at least one more item in both "Documentation" and "Support"
19:25:04 <yurchor> marja: Sure
19:25:11 <marja> yurchor: what would make a link untranslatable?
19:25:16 <marja> yurchor: or a text?
19:25:36 <marja> yurchor: only having it too late?
19:26:20 <yurchor> index.html is not the best thong to translate, so I guess it will be inplemented as Pyhton array of the strings which will be inserted at the runtime.
19:26:36 <swecarp> where do i send sugestions about the welcome page
19:26:46 <yurchor> Such strings in the Pythons code is not very friendly for editing.
19:26:59 <marja> yurchor: ah, I'm getting it :-(
19:27:11 <yurchor> swecarp: doc-discuss as usual.
19:27:57 <swecarp> ok even sugestions about what apps i think would be listed
19:30:05 * marja thinks inline tips about how to get wlan to work would be good (unless our many wlan bugs are fixed)
19:31:40 <marja> yurchor: about links to the wiki: it is all but sure that we'll have a multilingual wiki by the time Mageia 4 is released
19:33:48 <Kernewes> if there's room, how about a link to the User Manual in Documentation as well?
19:33:55 <marja> yurchor: otoh, copying the wiki pages to some inline documentation will be an awful lot of work
19:34:47 <marja> Kernewes: yes, there should be a link to the mcc manual... that isn't installed by default, though, so I guess clicking the link should install the manual
19:34:51 <yurchor> marja: Yes. Better lave just one common source.
19:34:58 <yurchor> *leave
19:35:27 <Kernewes> the manual is listed in the apps menu
19:35:28 <marja> Kernewes: like happens the first time you click "help" in MCC
19:35:40 <marja> Kernewes: ah, good :)
19:35:53 <Kernewes> that's in alpha 1
19:36:05 <Kernewes> that's what gave me the idea :)
19:37:32 <marja> yurchor: OK
19:40:27 <marja> Kernewes: Newcomers might overlook "First steps" if there is a big "Newcomers" button on the index page
19:42:07 <marja> Kernewes: maybe those "first steps" could be a primer, and then the "newcomers start here" wiki section be linked to, for further information
19:42:50 <Kernewes> I was thinking the Newcombers link would point to the page with the First Steps link
19:42:57 <swecarp> that souds good marja
19:43:14 <marja> Kernewes: ah :-)
19:43:16 * Kernewes goes to look at the wiki
19:44:06 <Kernewes> it would link to the same page as "Newcomers start here"
19:44:22 <Kernewes> so they would see a list of pages
19:45:28 <Kernewes> including First steps
19:46:50 <marja> Kernewes: did you see the "First steps" in the mageiawelcome
19:47:18 <marja> Kernewes: that is different from the wiki page with the similar name
19:47:27 <marja> Kernewes: the wiki page contains much more information
19:48:10 <marja> Kernewes: when I talked about "primer" I meant the mageiawelcome "First steps"
19:48:22 <Kernewes> ah, I hadn't noticed that tab at the top
19:48:34 <marja> Kernewes: it is a bit hidden, indeed
19:48:55 <Kernewes> I think for newcomers it would be better to have a more prominent link in the bottom sections
19:50:21 <Kernewes> and the wiki does have more information, as you say
19:50:42 <marja> Kernewes: I agree.... it could link to the same as the "First steps" tab, and at the end of those "First steps" a link to the "Newcomers start here " would be good
19:51:01 <swecarp> the top links i think should be placed more in the middel and a bil larger
19:51:17 <swecarp> bit
19:51:32 <Kernewes> swecarp: I agree
19:51:36 <marja> s/First steps/mageiawelcome First steps/
19:52:02 <marja> s/Newcomers start here/https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Newcomers_start_here/
19:52:32 <marja> (i should have escaped some slashes)
19:52:34 <Kernewes> I'm not sure about the apps bit, that's very subjective and everyone will have different ideas about what to include
19:52:46 <swecarp> as its placed nowe ppl would have trubbel seeing it and if its larger and mmore centerd on the page they will see it and use it
19:52:55 <marja> Kernewes: yes, I won't comment on that
19:53:18 <Kernewes> but it would be useful for some extras like flash
19:53:30 <marja> swecarp: yes, it is not very visible now
19:53:32 <swecarp> flash is there Kernewes
19:54:05 <Kernewes> swecarp: that's what I mean, things like that
19:54:27 <yurchor> Can we ask the developer to put the code somwhere to improve the text in situ?
19:55:33 <Kernewes> it needs to make it clear that the stuff in "apps" isn't all there is to choose from
19:55:52 <Kernewes> that those are suggestions
19:56:07 <marja> yurchor: shouldn't the code be in the srpm ? repo.mageia.org.pl/mageiawelcome/mageiawelcome-0.1-1.mga3.src.rpm
19:57:02 <yurchor> marja: No, I mean the main Mageia repo where everyone can track the development and send patches.
19:57:35 <marja> yurchor: I think it isn't in there, yet..... checking
19:59:06 <marja> yurchor: no, it isn't
19:59:40 <yurchor> marja: Ok. Thanks. Hope it appears there soon.
19:59:52 <marja> yurchor: me too
20:00:35 * swecarp cant find his list off usefull basic programs that not are instald from the start
20:00:48 <swecarp> even some codecs
20:00:52 <marja> is there anything else on this topic?
20:01:02 <swecarp> no
20:01:05 <yurchor> not from me
20:01:17 <Kernewes> not here
20:01:19 <marja> #topic anything else that needs to be said
20:01:28 <marja> is there anything?
20:01:55 <swecarp> not from me
20:02:07 <Kernewes> not from me
20:02:51 <yurchor> Just want to inform that I plan to put the MCC docs for translation as soon as it will be more clear what will happen with git conversion.
20:02:56 <swecarp> Kernewes:  have u manage to get the po svn thing working
20:03:10 <Kernewes> swecarp: I haven't had time to try yet
20:03:15 <marja> yurchor: I think that is wise (no need to double up on work)
20:03:20 <swecarp> Kernewes:  same here
20:03:45 <marja> #endmeeting