17:18:15 <marja> #startmeeting
17:18:15 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon Oct  8 17:18:15 2012 UTC.  The chair is marja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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17:18:22 <marja> #chair lebarhon
17:18:22 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lebarhon marja
17:18:30 <lebarhon> for me alone :)
17:18:47 <lebarhon> so, it is canceled ?
17:18:50 <marja> lebarhon: Workaholic is around too, but he doesn't like to talk
17:18:57 <marja> lebarhon: and Nikerabbit is here
17:19:05 <marja> MrsB: are you here too?
17:19:28 <marja> #topic  wiki-upgrade
17:20:20 <marja> #info MrsB had found 3 bugs, obgr_seneca found time to look into them, bug 7440 is a nasty one, the others are no problem
17:20:35 <marja> #link https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7440
17:20:37 <[mbot> [ Bug 7440 Mediawiki does not recognise php-sqlite3 database driver during web based installation ]
17:20:54 <MrsB> i can be marja, ping if needed
17:21:26 <marja> #info obgr_seneca doesn't know yet how to solve that one, only that it could be a php bug as well
17:22:06 <marja> #action anyone who has any knowledge that might help to solve bug 7440, please contact obgr_seneca
17:22:31 <marja> lebarhon: I hope you don't mind we're meeting although there's few of us
17:22:54 <Nikerabbit> hmm
17:23:10 <marja> lebarhon: so, no, it is not cancelled
17:23:16 <Nikerabbit> const MINIMUM_VERSION = '3.3.7';
17:23:18 <Nikerabbit> for sqlite
17:23:28 <Workaholic> marja: sorry, hadrware problems :(
17:23:39 <marja> Workaholic: np
17:24:05 <lebarhon> hardware or software problems aren't for me, sorry :(
17:24:40 <Nikerabbit> other than it should be enough that pdo_sqlite is installed
17:25:30 <marja> Nikerabbit: do you mind contacting obgr_seneca.....tbh, I barely understand what you're talking about :(
17:26:28 <marja> #action obgr_seneca contact Nikerabbit about some suggestions for bug 7440
17:27:54 <Nikerabbit> I'm here :)
17:28:15 <marja> Nikerabbit: yes, but obgr_seneca
17:28:18 <marja> isn't
17:28:37 <Nikerabbit> just ping me whenever :)
17:28:44 <marja> Nikerabbit: thx :)
17:29:43 <marja> lebarhon: do you have commit rights?
17:29:49 <lebarhon> No
17:30:09 <Nikerabbit> as far as I see 7440 isn't actually blocker for your wiki upgrade
17:30:23 <Nikerabbit> though postgresql might cause problems, like I mentioned earlier
17:30:25 <marja> Nikerabbit: well, I understood post
17:30:28 <marja> yes
17:31:54 <marja> Nikerabbit: I suppose obgr_seneca will be online during the day tomorrow, is it OK to ping you if he has time?
17:33:01 <marja> Nikerabbit: oops, sorry, you said "whenever"
17:33:05 <marja> so it is OK
17:33:35 <marja> #topic lay-out MCC documentation
17:34:17 <marja> the initial lay-out is here http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/
17:34:18 <[mbot> [ Mageia Control Center ]
17:34:36 <marja> the proposed lay-out is here http://waesvanm.home.xs4all.nl/MCC/content/
17:34:37 <[mbot> [ Mageia Control Center ]
17:35:20 * marja is anyone against switching to the proposed layout?
17:35:24 <lebarhon> At first quick look, i prefer the old one, less clicks and more intuitive
17:35:30 <Nikerabbit> it's about the organization of the content?
17:35:35 <marja> Nikerabbit: yes
17:35:51 <marja> Nikerabbit: the upper one is the old one, the lower one is the proposed one
17:36:06 <Nikerabbit> I definitely like the latter more
17:36:19 <marja> MrsB: what is your opinion?
17:36:35 <Nikerabbit> it feels like TOC of a book, not some huge help base where you don't find anything
17:36:54 <marja> Workaholic: and yours?
17:36:57 <MrsB> sorry, wasn't watching. let me catch up
17:37:03 <marja> MrsB: OK
17:37:50 <Workaholic> I mean like Nikerabbit
17:37:57 <MrsB> I much prefer menu B marja
17:38:11 <MrsB> the new one
17:38:24 <Nikerabbit> the people who don't use search have easier time to grasp what is in there in the proposed version
17:38:39 <marja> OK, so Nikerabbit, Workaholic, MrsB and me prefer the new one, and lebarhon the old one
17:39:00 <lebarhon> it seems the new one isn't working fine
17:39:20 <lebarhon> I click on differents chapter and have the same page
17:40:17 <MrsB> seems ok here
17:40:29 <lebarhon> On the left tab the selected line swap to an other
17:40:32 <marja> lebarhon: well, the pages are very long now..... if you page back and forth, you only have about 9 or 10 pages
17:41:15 <lebarhon> Why the selected line on the left is changing itself ?
17:41:20 <marja> lebarhon: the old way had shorter pages, but was messy, because all the linked-to pages were at the end
17:42:39 <marja> lebarhon: can't you go from setup scanner to 3d Desktop effects?
17:43:03 <marja> lebarhon: that is all on the same page, but I jump to the right section of it when choosing that on the left
17:44:00 * marja will try to find a way to have the same toc, but have shorter pages to page through
17:44:42 <lebarhon> I can't find "setup scanner" on the new layout
17:45:02 <marja> lebarhon: MCC-hardware
17:45:21 <lebarhon> Yes I got it, but in the old it is in system
17:45:36 <marja> http://waesvanm.home.xs4all.nl/MCC/content/mcc-hardware-chapter.html#scannerdrake
17:45:38 <[mbot> [ 3. MCC - Hardware ]
17:46:55 <lebarhon> If I go in setup scanner and scroll up, I arrive in the printers, keyboards, ..;
17:46:56 <marja> lebarhon: I have it in Hardware there, too http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/mcc-hardware.html
17:46:57 <[mbot> [ 3. Hardware ]
17:47:26 <marja> lebarhon: you'd rather see only the scanner page?
17:48:08 <lebarhon> yes
17:48:16 <marja> lebarhon: me too
17:49:00 <MrsB> I see what you mean, yes good idea
17:49:46 <lebarhon> In the new layout, I can't find any more the scanner. I have  MCC harware
17:49:48 <marja> #action marja find a way to improve http://waesvanm.home.xs4all.nl/MCC/content/, so that the TOC stays the same, but the pages don't contain more than the information about one tool
17:50:27 <lebarhon> Hardware, harware configuration, Where is the scanner ?
17:50:47 <MrsB> i see it under hardware lebarhon, near the ottom of that section
17:50:49 <MrsB> bottom
17:51:03 <MrsB> above the UPS bit
17:51:08 <marja> lebarhon: and if you click on the link at the top, you go to that part of the page
17:51:17 <lebarhon> OK, 3D is hardware ?
17:52:01 <marja> lebarhon: yes, in MCC it is in the hardware section
17:52:18 <marja> lebarhon: but I can understand you wouldn't look there :)
17:52:19 <lebarhon> the old layout isn't fine either
17:53:20 <marja> lebarhon: the old layout is confusing and it is chaotic after the first 9 pages
17:53:52 <lebarhon> May be but if I click on scanner I have it and nothing else.
17:54:39 <lebarhon> I agree it's a littls messy
17:55:11 <marja> lebarhon: I'll try to take the best from both and come with a better solution :)
17:55:29 * lebarhon is happy
17:55:34 <marja> :)
17:56:07 <marja> as far as I'm concerned we can skip the other topic now
17:56:40 * marja does anyone have anything that (still) needs to be said?
17:58:21 <marja> #endmeeting