18:59:01 <obgr_seneca> #startmeeting 18:59:01 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Tue Jan 24 18:59:01 2012 UTC. The chair is obgr_seneca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:59:01 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:59:16 <marja> obgr_seneca: he worked on something, well not video, but also a new way of instructing people 18:59:18 <marja> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1220932/mg/mageia-site/5-mga-site-en/Mageia-1.html 18:59:21 <obgr_seneca> So let me welcome you to tonight's doc team meeting 18:59:40 <obgr_seneca> is he that brasilian guy? 18:59:43 <marja> yep 18:59:59 <marja> and linuxguy101's plans made me think of him 19:00:08 <obgr_seneca> He posted some things on one of the mls, but I can't remember which one 19:00:24 <marja> mageia discuss, I think 19:00:27 <obgr_seneca> so first let me excuse myself 19:00:57 <grenoya> hi 19:01:07 <marja> grenoya: hi, welcome :) 19:01:09 <obgr_seneca> I know, I wanted to do some things this week (among them testing the new calenco and ldap, beginning on real doc work and creating a wiki page) 19:01:25 <obgr_seneca> but as it happens, I didn't get to it due to heavy workload 19:01:36 <obgr_seneca> hi grenoya 19:01:50 <marja> obgr_seneca: we understand... our days are too short, too ;) 19:01:51 <obgr_seneca> #info obgr_seneca is sorry but he couldn't do his actions from last week 19:02:12 <obgr_seneca> marja: yes, but we should really get cracking 19:02:22 <marja> yep 19:02:24 <obgr_seneca> beta1 isn't all that far away 19:02:45 <obgr_seneca> JohnR: How short is your day usually? 19:03:21 <JohnR> obgr_seneca: Hard to say:-) 19:03:50 <JohnR> mostly I sleep to be here while you folks are awake :-) 19:04:10 <marja> :) 19:04:13 <obgr_seneca> since you are the only one who really knows calenco work, could you create a wiki page definig some workflow? 19:04:18 <obgr_seneca> I will happily help you... 19:04:42 <obgr_seneca> But I have at least one or two days at work rather full of other things 19:05:00 <JohnR> Yes, I think so, however I'm not used to using wiki software 19:05:21 <obgr_seneca> It's not all that hard :D 19:05:31 <obgr_seneca> And it would be really appreciated 19:05:34 <marja> JohnR: you mean: not used to writing wiki pages? 19:05:41 <JohnR> obgr_seneca: it would be good to get wobo on board with this if possible too 19:05:48 <JohnR> marja: yup 19:06:08 <obgr_seneca> JohnR: I try 19:06:19 <obgr_seneca> Could you write an email to him as well? 19:06:22 <JohnR> obgr_seneca: I'm very aware of his situation 19:06:32 <JohnR> obgr_seneca: yup, sure 19:06:38 <obgr_seneca> Thanks 19:06:50 <marja> JohnR: I'll try to be around more often 19:07:00 <JohnR> marja: :-) 19:07:02 <obgr_seneca> I don't want to pressure him into any thing but I would appreciate his help as well 19:07:14 <JohnR> obgr_seneca: exactly 19:08:06 <obgr_seneca> All this doc stuff is new to me to be honest, so one more old hand... 19:08:12 <obgr_seneca> ok 19:08:31 <obgr_seneca> does any one have some real topic for us tonight? 19:08:37 <marja> yep 19:08:47 <obgr_seneca> #chair marja grenoya JohnR MrsB2 19:08:47 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: JohnR MrsB2 grenoya marja obgr_seneca 19:08:57 <obgr_seneca> marja: go ahead 19:08:58 <marja> guys like macxi and linuxguy101 19:09:18 <obgr_seneca> #topic alternative documentation ideas 19:09:29 <marja> I think it is good that they work on totally different kinds of documentation 19:09:43 <obgr_seneca> #info some guys started with creating video and poster like documentation 19:09:49 <marja> video and what macxi did 19:10:11 <marja> but I think it wouldn't be good to be in each others meetings all the time... 19:10:21 <MrsB2> I like the idea of video tutorials 19:10:31 <marja> our Calenco and wiki conversations are probably very boring to them... 19:10:52 <obgr_seneca> as I said earlier today, I'm personally not all that fond of video documentation 19:10:53 <marja> so I was wondering, whether doc team couldn't have a sub team.. 19:11:03 <marja> if those guys want to be in it... 19:11:10 <marja> that works on that kind of stuff 19:11:30 <obgr_seneca> marja: We should contact both of them 19:11:59 <marja> obgr_seneca: OK... shall I do that... or do you prefer to... you know more 19:12:08 <marja> about how things in Mageia work 19:12:17 <obgr_seneca> #action marja contact both of them about this 19:12:19 <MrsB2> we could maybe have a separate space on the wiki for video tutorials if they're willing to do some 19:12:51 <obgr_seneca> #action obgr_seneca see with boklm about allowed upload file formats in the wiki 19:12:55 <marja> MrsB2: I was also wondering whether that presentation that Maxci made, would work in our wiki 19:13:20 <MrsB2> would youtube or something similar be able to host them? 19:13:45 <obgr_seneca> #action obgr_seneca research that picture upload bug locally some more and get it fixed 19:13:53 <marja> linuxguy101's stuff is on youtube, I think 19:14:04 <MrsB2> marja theres no reason it couldn't be there as something for people to download and print to sticck up on their wall 19:14:09 <marja> and macxi's is in dropbox 19:14:37 <obgr_seneca> MrsB2: would be a possibility of course, but if we could have such things on our own servers, it would be great 19:14:51 <MrsB2> I was just thinking of bandwidth 19:14:53 <JohnR> I think we also need to be aware od how much space is available on mageia-hosted servers 19:15:07 <Led43_Mag2> if we can afford the disk space and band width it would be better to keep it all on our own servers 19:15:09 <obgr_seneca> JohnR: yes 19:15:25 <obgr_seneca> I don't know about the exact setup of our servers 19:15:33 <marja> Led43_Mag2: hi... sorry, but I forgot who you are 19:15:33 <JohnR> me neither 19:15:48 <obgr_seneca> #action obgr_seneca see with sysadmins about available space on Mageia servers 19:16:16 <marja> Led43_Mag2: John Bowden, nice to meet you 19:16:26 <Led43_Mag2> marja: i help out with qa and hope to help out on the wiki if time alows 19:16:37 <marja> Led43_Mag2: great, welcome :) 19:16:43 <obgr_seneca> Led43_Mag2: welcome aboard 19:17:02 <obgr_seneca> ok, next topic? 19:17:05 <Led43_Mag2> thanks 19:17:09 <marja> #info Led43_Mag2 (John Bowden) helps with the wiki, if time allows 19:18:05 <grenoya> I did not read all ML and meeting logs /o\ so maybe this was already answered : 19:18:24 <grenoya> Do we have installer with help button ? 19:18:30 <marja> Led43_Mag2: if can you please add yourself here: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Documentation_team#Members 19:18:41 <grenoya> and do we have a exact todo list ? 19:18:43 <obgr_seneca> grenoya: not yet :/ 19:18:56 <grenoya> :\ 19:19:05 <MrsB2> todo list would be helpful 19:19:10 <Led43_Mag2> marja: ok will do, thought (i already had) 19:20:11 <marja> Maybe this helps, but I didn't get very far with it https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Help_buttons_in_DrakX-installer 19:20:43 <obgr_seneca> About a TODO list for those help buttons 19:21:02 <obgr_seneca> I will try again this week - with help from JohnR I hope 19:21:36 <obgr_seneca> #topic language wiki setup 19:21:59 <MrsB2> do we have an overall todo list? 19:22:12 <obgr_seneca> #info ennael told me today she has a volunteer who would like to begin work on french wiki 19:22:15 <obgr_seneca> MrsB2: On what? 19:22:27 <MrsB2> everything we still have to do 19:22:45 <obgr_seneca> #info obgr_seneca was asked about a German wiki as well 19:22:57 <MrsB2> hi Umeaboy 19:23:00 <Umeaboy> Hi! 19:23:04 <MrsB2> :) 19:23:05 <Umeaboy> Just here to observe. 19:23:08 <obgr_seneca> Hi 19:23:14 <MrsB2> feel free to join in! 19:23:23 <Umeaboy> What's the subject? 19:24:04 <obgr_seneca> Umeaboy: several 19:24:14 <Umeaboy> OK. 19:24:17 <obgr_seneca> MrsB2: about your last question 19:24:26 <obgr_seneca> a RODO list about what? 19:25:08 <MrsB2> a todo list listing everything we still have to complete, like the help texts for the installer, some wiki page, some other thing 19:25:11 <Umeaboy> Uuuuuuuhm. I don't intend to be rude in any way, but I really miss having a mediawiki like Mandriva has/had.' 19:25:13 <obgr_seneca> s/RODO/TODO/ 19:25:29 <Umeaboy> The current wiki looks nice, but can't really understand the content. 19:25:33 <JohnR> Umeaboy: that's OT here at present 19:25:43 <Umeaboy> Can't really find where to create new categories. 19:25:45 <obgr_seneca> Umeaboy: we do have a mediawiki but JohnR is right 19:25:48 <marja> MrsB2: one thing we have is https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Migrating_Mandriva_documentation_to_Mageia 19:26:03 <Umeaboy> obgr_seneca: OK. 19:26:11 <obgr_seneca> MrsB2: Creating such a list is one of my tasks... 19:26:42 <obgr_seneca> But to go on about those language wikis 19:26:50 <MrsB2> :) 19:26:53 <Umeaboy> Wow! The test-wiki looks quite OK. ;) 19:26:54 <Led43_Mag2> we could put our names to the bits we are working on 19:27:14 <Umeaboy> Led43_Mag2: Like a signature? 19:27:51 <obgr_seneca> could we stay on topic? 19:28:11 <Umeaboy> OK, I'll just observe then. 19:28:14 <Umeaboy> ;) 19:28:22 <obgr_seneca> I - and I think doktor5000_ and some others - will keep an eye on the German one 19:28:45 <doktor5000_> yep 19:28:46 <Led43_Mag2> it may help organisation to know what languages we all are fluent in so the french speakers can help / check the french version and so on 19:28:56 <obgr_seneca> grenoya: Could you - and perhaps some guys from i18n-fr keep an eye on the french one? 19:29:12 <obgr_seneca> Led43_Mag2: I hope to get i18n into this heavily 19:29:33 <grenoya> obgr_seneca: okay 19:29:46 <JohnR> obgr_seneca: We'll need them once we get the official docs organised as well 19:29:48 <Led43_Mag2> obgr_seneca: that would be good 19:29:53 <grenoya> obgr_seneca: do you have the name of the french translator who wants to begin ? 19:29:59 <obgr_seneca> The main thing to do is, to not let the differnet wikis drift too much from the en one 19:30:16 <obgr_seneca> grenoya: not here 19:30:17 <JohnR> echo :-) 19:30:27 <obgr_seneca> I asked ennael to send him to me 19:31:07 <obgr_seneca> What I want absolutely not to have is a situation like on Mdv wiki where the French wiki is completely different from the others 19:31:23 <JohnR> exactly!! :-) 19:31:24 <MrsB2> I have to leave, sorry. I'll read the logs in the morning to catch up. 19:31:32 <JohnR> bye MrsB2 19:31:33 <grenoya> ok, I understand that well 19:31:35 <marja> MrsB2: have a nice evening 19:31:44 <MrsB2> see you tomorrow :) 19:31:45 <obgr_seneca> There are some things that don't make sense in other languages like the organization of an i18n team... 19:31:52 <obgr_seneca> but the rest... 19:32:20 <Led43_Mag2> we need a small team of multi lingual peole to keep an eye on the different language version 19:32:41 <obgr_seneca> Led43_Mag2: yes, the problem is finding them 19:33:17 <obgr_seneca> My french is not good enough to anything in that respect, and if there are Spanish, Portuguese and whatever else wikis... 19:33:43 <obgr_seneca> #info I will speak to sysadmin team about opening those language wikis 19:34:21 <marja> obgr_seneca: I couldn't translate into Spanish and Portuguese, but I know those languages well enough to be able to see great differences 19:34:23 <obgr_seneca> #info we won't open one unless we have people fluent in their language and English to look after them 19:34:23 <obgr_seneca> ok? 19:34:36 <obgr_seneca> marja: Great! 19:34:42 <JohnR> makes good sence - yes! 19:34:45 <Led43_Mag2> obgr_seneca: yes 19:34:52 <obgr_seneca> ok then 19:34:52 <doktor5000_> sounds good 19:35:11 <grenoya> ok :) 19:35:13 <marja> obgr_seneca: I wouldn't call my Spanish and Portuguese fluent... 19:35:13 <obgr_seneca> So, that is everything on my mind right now 19:35:19 <Led43_Mag2> we could also use the welcome mess in #mageia to ask for people to help with other languages 19:35:31 <obgr_seneca> #topic other and chat 19:35:51 <obgr_seneca> Led43_Mag2: would be a possibility 19:36:22 <obgr_seneca> I leave you to it now (my connection, you know?) 19:36:39 <obgr_seneca> marja: do you end the meeting, when there's nothing to add? 19:36:41 <JohnR> obgr_seneca: ok, have a good evening 19:36:46 <Led43_Mag2> and ask sebsebseb to do the same in mag social 19:36:47 <JohnR> hi simonnzg 19:36:48 <marja> OK... bye obgr_seneca 19:36:49 <obgr_seneca> JohnR: thanks 19:36:59 <obgr_seneca> hi simonnzg and bye 19:36:59 <marja> simonnzg: hi 19:37:02 <simonnzg> Hi all. On a train. 19:37:16 <JohnR> chuff chuff .... 19:37:25 <marja> maybe we already finished 19:37:33 <simonnzg> Been in tunnels for last 30mjns. 19:37:43 <Led43_Mag2> simonnzg: waiting for the dopler effect 19:37:44 <marja> simonnzg: do you have a meeting topic? 19:37:57 <grenoya> marja: do we had translated wiki responsabilities in todo mode ? 19:38:35 <marja> grenoya: I need to read that part again 19:39:16 <marja> grenoya: oliver did two messages in info mode 19:39:51 <grenoya> yes, but he did not put directly our names 19:40:09 <marja> grenoya: no, he didn't... 19:40:40 <marja> it can still be done... do you want your keeping an eye on the French wiki as todo? 19:40:56 <marja> grenoya: line above for you 19:41:06 <Simonnzg_> This isn't working very well. Did I miss much??? 19:41:11 <grenoya> yes, I can take care of it :) 19:41:34 <grenoya> Simonnzg_: nothing important :) 19:41:58 <marja> #todo grenoya will keep an eye on the French wiki, and see to it that it doesn't drift away from the EN one too much 19:42:08 <Simonnzg_> World still turning, then... That's good. 19:42:09 <grenoya> marja: thanks :) 19:42:15 <marja> grenoya: yw :) 19:42:42 <marja> can we end the meeting, or is there anything that still needs to be discussed? 19:43:03 <grenoya> that's ok for me 19:43:11 <Led43_Mag2> ok by me 19:43:29 <marja> JohnR: Simonnzg_ can we end the meeting? 19:43:48 <Simonnzg_> I'm only barely here. Yes. 19:43:59 <JohnR> marja: yup, np 19:44:08 <marja> #endmeeting