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20:33:10 <ennael> hi all and thanks for attending
20:33:45 <ennael> unfirtunatelly malo will not be available until end of march so you will have to do with me :)
20:34:33 <ennael> so before starting any topic that is not in list ?
20:35:49 <grenoya> yes
20:36:04 <ennael> which one ?
20:36:42 <anaselli> ennael: maybe bug hunting events during the beta phase?
20:37:05 <anaselli> but it's early :)
20:37:08 <ennael> ok
20:37:16 <ennael> #topic updates / backports review
20:37:24 <ennael> is Luigi12 around ?
20:37:35 <ennael> Luigi12_work or Luigi12_lappy
20:37:40 <ennael> or MrsB
20:38:04 <tarakbumba> i can see Luigies in the channel list but...
20:38:22 <tarakbumba> and MrsB...
20:38:50 <ennael> wonderfull...
20:38:55 <ennael> next topic then
20:39:07 <tmb> well, we've (or QA) have pushed an insane amount of updates
20:39:31 <ennael> #topic Mageia 5 planning and starting with technical specifications
20:40:00 <ennael> so Let see about Mageia 5 planning
20:40:21 <ennael> we have one pb to solve as we have summer in the middle of the planning
20:40:46 <ennael> based on previous releases, here is a proposal for this planning
20:40:57 <ennael> alpha1 2014/06/03
20:40:57 <ennael> alpha2 2014/07/08
20:40:57 <ennael> alpha3 2014/08/04
20:40:57 <ennael> Versions freeze 2014/08/16
20:40:57 <ennael> New Strings freeze 2014/08/16
20:40:59 <ennael> Distro rebuild 2014/08/25
20:41:02 <ennael> beta1 2014/09/08
20:41:04 <ennael> beta2 2014/10/10
20:41:07 <ennael> translations freeze 2014/10/27
20:41:09 <ennael> releases freeze 2014/10/28
20:41:12 <ennael> RC	2014/11/04
20:41:14 <ennael> internal release 2014/11/27
20:41:17 <ennael> final release	2014/12/04
20:41:53 <anaselli> ennael: so rest for Christmas?
20:41:54 <grenoya> look nice :)
20:41:59 <anaselli> impossible
20:42:01 <anaselli> :D
20:42:17 <ennael> my main fear is about august
20:42:25 <anaselli> mine too
20:42:43 <anaselli> most European people have holidays
20:42:52 <tarakbumba> i' ll be at vacation from 20th July-1 September
20:42:57 <anaselli> don't know other
20:43:00 <tarakbumba> :(
20:43:56 <tarakbumba> also is it enough 3 months to get all in order for an alpha?
20:43:58 <sander85> too many betas, too few rc's :)
20:44:17 <tarakbumba> I mean draktools changes, discussed before
20:44:38 <ennael> tmb: any opinion on this ?
20:44:43 <sander85> naming is what makes people test
20:44:59 <sander85> if it's rc then more people will test
20:45:12 <grenoya> sander85: but RC= Release candidate, not sandbox
20:45:14 <tmb> well, what are gnome and kde release schedules ?
20:45:16 <tarakbumba> sander85: i agree. We need more RC
20:45:36 <anaselli> so maybe 2 alphas, two betas and two RCs?
20:46:11 <tarakbumba> if we had two RCs then we did not need to push so many updates for mga4 i think.
20:46:11 <sander85> grenoya: well, we have one month after rc before release.. it's not release candidate :)
20:46:18 <anaselli> tmb: good question, neoclust has started releasing qt5 to anticipate kde
20:47:13 <ennael> 18 Tuesday, July 8, 2014: KDE SC 4.13.3 release
20:47:20 <anaselli> tarakbumba: i think that can't be said... at a certain point you have to close pushes and leaving all for updates
20:48:00 <anaselli> so kde 4 yet then i should be mistaken in what i understood from neoclust
20:48:20 <sander85> i think stable release should have kde4
20:48:36 <sander85> afaik it's possible to have kde5 too
20:48:43 <sander85> those who want can install it
20:48:57 <sander85> but i don't think it's ready for prime time
20:49:26 <tmb> yeah, it will probably be a real .0 we dont want
20:49:26 <anaselli> but qt5 as default is odd then... but ok it's out of topic
20:49:51 <sander85> why odd?
20:49:51 <tmb> anaselli, well, we haven't decided for that yet
20:50:02 <sander85> we already have some qt5 apps in mga4
20:50:12 * anaselli has missed something... he said that :D
20:50:12 <sander85> transmission-qt for example
20:50:40 <anaselli> sander85: yes at least i use qt5 even in mga3
20:50:55 <sander85> so where's the problem?
20:52:45 <tmb> and gnome will be at 3.12. something
20:52:50 <anaselli> indeed none... FIndQt works only for qt4... so nothing
20:53:10 <ennael> so regarding gnome/kde planning it looks ok
20:53:46 <anaselli> ennael: gnome release date is missing though
20:53:50 <anaselli> here
20:54:51 <tmb> GNOME 3.12.1 newstable release : April 16th
20:55:01 <anaselli> fine then
20:55:06 <ennael> yep
20:55:07 <anaselli> more time than kde
20:55:27 <ennael> so summer planning pb remains
20:57:41 <anaselli> yep
20:58:26 <anaselli> during my vacation i have low speed connection for the most (or nothing)
20:58:39 <anaselli> so basically i can answer mails
20:59:28 <tmb> and people will enjoy summer too, so there will be slowdowns all over...
20:59:28 <anaselli> but luckily i'm not the more important one :D
21:00:05 <anaselli> well releasing on Christmas is not that bad after all... no?
21:00:09 <tmb> and when they come back from vacation we will get a gazillion freeze push requests
21:01:03 <ennael> so maybe take 3 more weeks and have freeze version and beta 1 a bit later ?
21:01:19 <anaselli> :)
21:02:39 <tmb> I think that will be better, yes
21:02:59 <ennael> so 3 more weeks between alpha3 and beta1 ?
21:03:51 <tarakbumba> ennael: that sounds good, at least for me. A month delay may be better.
21:04:14 <tmb> and whatever happends, we need to have ~4 weeks between RC and release to not kill QA
21:05:41 <tarakbumba> so, wil we have 2 RC or not? Nothing said on that much.
21:05:43 <tmb> question is, should we do only 2 alphas too ? we usually dont get much testers on alphas
21:05:59 <sander85> we could do one more rc in that time
21:06:07 <sander85> so more people could test
21:06:11 <sander85> if it's rc anyway
21:06:46 <sander85> i mean one of the internal builds could be public rc
21:06:49 <tmb> sander85, by that logic we should switch to kernel versioning and call everything an rc :)
21:07:13 <anaselli> hmm i like it :p
21:08:09 <sander85> tmb: well, not everything.. but at least second beta yes :P
21:08:15 <sander85> + add one more rc :P
21:08:32 <sander85> we really need people to test it
21:08:38 <sander85> QA can't handle it all
21:08:58 <ennael> here is a second proposal for planning
21:09:01 <ennael> alpha1 2014/06/03
21:09:01 <ennael> alpha2 2014/07/08
21:09:01 <ennael> alpha3 2014/08/04
21:09:01 <ennael> Versions freeze 2014/08/09
21:09:01 <ennael> New Strings freeze 2014/08/09
21:09:04 <ennael> Distro rebuild 2014/09/15
21:09:06 <ennael> beta1 2014/09/30
21:09:09 <ennael> beta2 2014/10/31
21:09:10 <anaselli> 2 alpha 2 beta 2 RC, just one alpha less and an RC more
21:09:11 <ennael> translations freeze 2014/10/27
21:09:14 <ennael> releases freeze 2014/10/28
21:09:16 <ennael> RC	2014/11/21
21:09:19 <ennael> internal release 2014/11/12
21:09:21 <ennael> final release	2014/12/19
21:10:03 <tmb> well we could also
21:10:12 <tmb> oops
21:10:18 <ennael> :)
21:10:40 <tmb> I guess you menan 2014/09/09 for version freeze
21:10:43 <tmb> mean*
21:10:53 <ennael> oups yes
21:11:17 <ennael> and New Strings freeze
21:15:02 <anaselli> ennael: you kill them all :D
21:15:15 <ennael> looks so :)
21:15:35 <tmb> and I think we can stay with one RC for now, but if it seems not good enough depending on reports, the planned final will be RC2, and new final date gets decided.
21:16:05 <anaselli> sounds good to me
21:16:35 <tarakbumba> it is settled then? next topic?
21:17:10 <ennael> second part of this topic is about specifications
21:17:10 <anaselli> tech spec?
21:17:30 <ennael> so as previous years let's take some time for proposals
21:17:43 <ennael> as a reminder
21:17:50 <ennael> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy
21:18:05 <ennael> to check how to write your proposal for Mageia 5
21:19:09 <ennael> ca we say we take 3 weeks to get proposals and then start review ?
21:19:25 <ennael> which is 25th of march
21:20:01 <anaselli> ennael: the big problem is time to develop, if we talk about new generation tools...
21:20:14 <tarakbumba> sorry, i disconnected. I think i hit a bug at Hexchat...
21:20:15 <anaselli> but coling is not here... so
21:20:39 <tmb> anaselli, well, no-one has said it need all be done for mga5...
21:20:50 <ennael> of course
21:20:59 <tmb> anaselli, since not even specs have beed decided yet
21:21:03 <ennael> you can split functionnalities and plan something on 2 releases
21:21:24 <anaselli> it's two years i'm working on something... i know what i mean :)
21:22:40 <ennael> so you can plan specs for coming releaseS :)
21:23:02 <anaselli> ok let's take time...
21:23:18 <anaselli> well i will talk to coling and see
21:23:31 <ennael> we can postpone drakx topic to next meeting
21:23:35 <anaselli> my plan was not to change all :)
21:23:47 <ennael> if coling is not around tonight it's hard to speak about it
21:23:57 <ennael> better to have everybody implied
21:24:09 <anaselli> yes pasmatt anything to add?
21:24:24 <pasmatt> nope
21:24:40 <ennael> so is 25th of march ok for technical specs ?
21:24:58 <tmb> of course if something gets decided to be important enough we can also redo release schedule, but we need to be more strict on when features gets merged, or we will get into same mess once more
21:25:30 <anaselli> tmb: that is what i meant....
21:25:31 <ennael> yep
21:25:55 <ennael> of so I will send a mail on -dev including planning and deadline for specs
21:26:09 <ennael> anything else on this topic?
21:26:16 <tmb> nope
21:26:26 <anaselli> no
21:26:44 <ennael> do we have more QA people around to speak about udpates ?
21:27:43 <ennael> seems not :)
21:27:47 <tmb> accodring to http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates
21:27:49 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
21:28:03 <ennael> #topic updates review
21:28:25 <tmb> we only have one security update waiting
21:28:38 <tmb> others are in feedback status for more fixes needed
21:28:53 <tmb> Mageia 3: Number of update candidates: 7 (security: 4, bugfix: 3, enhancement: 0)
21:29:08 <tmb> Mageia 4: Number of update candidates: 8 (security: 3, bugfix: 5, enhancement: 0)
21:29:26 <ennael> that's much better indeed
21:31:08 <tarakbumba> i' m planning to backport MATE 1.8 when officially released; tagged at github and expected in a week or so...
21:31:40 <tmb> and around 115 updates for mga4 pushed since release :)
21:31:49 <tarakbumba> Should i do that? Many improvements over 1.6 series and not long after Mageia4 release.
21:32:17 <ennael> tmb: what about make push automatic from QA guys?
21:34:00 <tmb> well, it needs some coding time  and test to teach infra to do that...
21:34:20 <sander85> tarakbumba: we don't backport DEs
21:35:18 <ennael> tmb: ok
21:35:25 <ennael> ok last topic then
21:35:38 <ennael> #topic Organize vote for team leaders
21:35:54 <ennael> all is in title :)
21:36:19 <tarakbumba> so, users should wait almos a year, and i think we will skip 1.8; because 1.10 will came when mga5 released :(
21:37:01 <ennael> so as said in coucil meeting all teams should have done it before 17th of march
21:37:39 <ennael> so proposal is to mail -dev if you want to candidate until 11th and then vote for candidates
21:37:45 <ennael> does it sounds ok ?
21:38:33 <tmb> yep
21:38:59 <ennael> again a mail will be sent tonight to -dev for it
21:39:14 <ennael> now I'm sure everyone has disappeared :)
21:39:28 * tmb is still here
21:39:46 * grenoya too
21:40:00 * philippem still reading
21:40:13 * tarakbumba is still here...
21:40:15 <ennael> :)
21:40:28 <ennael> let's have some beer now
21:40:37 <pterjan> ok
21:40:44 <ennael> see :)
21:40:54 <tmb> (and suddenly we have 77 active )
21:41:05 <sander85> beer?
21:41:15 <ennael> always work
21:41:19 <philippem> you known the magic words
21:41:28 <ennael> ok any other topic ? comment ?
21:41:29 <tmb> seems beer works better than ping
21:41:44 <ennael> tmb: we can use it as an official tool for mageia meetings
21:41:49 <ennael> new protocol
21:42:37 <tmb> can we get it in the statutes too :)
21:42:37 <sander85> activity report is running: https://sander85.eu/mageia/activity.php ... no other topics
21:42:39 <anaselli> beer ok for me
21:42:42 <[mbot> [ Activity report ]
21:42:57 <ennael> tmb: would be nice :)
21:43:02 <ennael> ok thanks all for attending
21:43:09 <ennael> and let's work on specs then
21:43:18 <ennael> #endmeeting