19:01:19 <ennael> #startmeeting 19:01:19 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Wed Apr 13 19:01:19 2011 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:01:19 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:01:20 <erzulie> [ MeetBot - Debian Wiki ] 19:01:42 <ennael> #chair ennael boklm misc shikamaru 19:01:42 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: boklm ennael misc shikamaru 19:01:54 <ennael> hi all 19:02:45 <damsweb> hello all 19:02:59 <boklm> hello 19:03:02 <ennael> so let start 19:03:02 <stblack__> hello 19:03:14 <ennael> #topic version freeze coming: priorities, todo list 19:03:17 <mikala> hello, 19:03:24 <ennael> #topic version freeze coming: priorities, todo list 19:03:26 <ennael> grumpf 19:03:50 <ennael> ok we have less than 2 months until final release 19:03:59 <ennael> and version freeze coming soon 19:04:12 <ennael> so we need to fix some priorities 19:04:36 <ennael> missing packages, bug fixes, localization, packages requests 19:04:46 <mikala> and artwork? 19:04:57 <ennael> well not in todo list for us :) 19:05:04 <ennael> at least until we have it for integration 19:05:14 <mikala> yep that what i meaning by artwork 19:05:23 <mikala> integration on all desktop. 19:05:27 <ennael> ok 19:05:43 <ennael> so for those who do not know about it : http://check.mageia.org/ 19:05:44 <erzulie> [ QA global report ] 19:05:49 <ennael> #url http://check.mageia.org/ 19:05:49 <erzulie> [ QA global report ] 19:06:12 <ennael> pterjan installed it to follow interesting things about apckaging 19:06:33 <ennael> dependancies missing or wrong (2 first links) 19:06:48 <ennael> and version review compared to some other distributions 19:07:12 <ennael> any question on these pages ? 19:07:38 <Nanar> about pages itself no 19:07:46 <ennael> hi Nanar 19:07:57 <Nanar> ( hi ennael ) 19:08:04 <ennael> first comment about 2 first links 19:08:15 <mikala> the packagers part is waiting for the maintainer database i guess ? 19:08:19 <Nanar> but is updating packages our priority ? 19:08:20 <ennael> yes 19:08:25 <ennael> Nanar: wait :) 19:08:36 * Nanar wait ! 19:08:38 <ennael> so this is usefull information 19:08:47 <ennael> but we need priorities as said in topic 19:08:52 <mikala> regarding the « updating packages », we just need to mail pterjan to fix some « wrong » update ? 19:09:03 <brianb> hi 19:09:05 <ennael> I guess 2 first one should be our priorities 19:09:16 <ennael> fixing missing deps or packaging errors 19:09:21 <boklm> mikala: yes, or sysadmin list 19:09:27 <ennael> still lots of work on it to be done 19:09:28 <pterjan> mikala: config is in svn 19:10:10 <ahmad78> ennael: (don't forget the gnome-3-updates-that-show-in-updates.html) 19:10:20 <ennael> ahmad78: yep ;) 19:10:27 <pterjan> I was thinking of removing this list of updates for now and just comparing to mandriva, what do you think ? 19:10:37 <ennael> wait please :) 19:10:46 <mikala> pterjan: i would compare to fedora & mandriva 19:10:49 <ennael> I'd like us to fix the 2 first lists 19:10:57 <ennael> before beta2 19:10:59 <ennael> wdyt? 19:11:00 <pterjan> yes 19:11:07 <pterjan> seems doable, not many errors 19:11:16 <ennael> but still has to be done 19:11:36 <ennael> anybody ready to help on that ? 19:11:43 <Nanar> yup 19:11:46 <sebsebseb> hi 19:11:51 <ennael> ok 19:11:58 <ennael> I will mail on -dev about this point 19:12:16 <ennael> please mention the one you will work on so people avoid to twice the work 19:12:20 <ennael> is that ok ? 19:12:29 <Nanar> pterjan: update list is over mdv /cooker ? 19:12:39 <Nanar> for mandriva rpms 19:12:53 <ennael> #action fix missing deps before beta2 19:12:55 <philippeM> some are discussed on ml (python-xfce and apache-mod_python) solution is simple : drop them 19:12:58 <damsweb> FYI folks/empathy/telepathy are WIP :-) 19:13:00 <pterjan> Nanar: I have a file to do so but not used cirrently 19:13:08 <ennael> philippeM: well then just do it :) 19:13:20 <shikamaru> any help on ruby-selenium-webdriver would be welcome 19:13:28 <philippeM> ok I take them 19:13:30 <ennael> #action ennael will mail about this so that people can mention the one they are working on 19:13:48 <ennael> also please a reminder 19:14:00 <ennael> when you import package please take care of missing deps list 19:14:13 <ennael> we often see list growing up after some new one are imported 19:14:28 <mikala> ennael: can't rpmlint forbid submission on missing dependancy ? 19:14:33 <ennael> #info check missing deps when importing new packages 19:14:43 <Nanar> and btw: mageia packages must update mdv one 19:15:03 <ahmad78> Nanar: that's what upgrade tests should spot... 19:15:05 <pterjan> indeed we need to check that 19:15:16 <pterjan> maybe I can set an update test against 2010.1 19:15:18 <Nanar> ahmad78: I had to fix pingus 19:15:20 <pterjan> it should be empty 19:15:38 <ahmad78> (i.e. mga package will replace package from contrib/updates, but not contrib/backports in 2010.1, e.g. banshee) 19:15:39 <ennael> pterjan: can you have a look on a way to forbid packages import if missing deps ? 19:15:47 <ahmad78> ennael: that's bad 19:15:56 <ennael> ahmad78: ? 19:15:58 <pterjan> ennael: that will be annoying for some bootstrap 19:16:00 <ahmad78> a package can have missing deps that'll be imported 19:16:14 <ennael> but it's unusable 19:16:15 <Nanar> ennael: such check can be triggered by loop 19:16:16 <pterjan> sone subpackages can be temporarily not installab;e 19:16:22 <ennael> or at least be notfied 19:16:23 <ennael> i 19:16:36 <pterjan> well there is the rss of that page :) 19:16:48 <ennael> well looks like it's not that used :) 19:16:49 <ahmad78> yeah, we just need to look at it some more 19:16:50 <pterjan> I can also mail the list of broken dependencies daily to the ml 19:16:55 <ennael> yep 19:16:57 <Nanar> I still have to import ghc needing ghc to b built... 19:17:10 <ennael> that would be nice until stable release 19:17:20 <ennael> when people are tired of it it will be fixed :) 19:17:25 <ahmad78> :) 19:17:38 <shikamaru> Nanar: couldn’t we use the mdv rpm for the bootstrap ? 19:17:39 <ahmad78> fixed by annoying-the-hell-out-of-packagers 19:17:41 <ennael> wdyt ? 19:17:45 <andre999> an email to the submitter about missing dependancies would be useful as well 19:17:46 <ennael> ahmad78: sure :) 19:17:49 <shikamaru> that’s haskell compiler right ? 19:17:55 <Nanar> yes 19:17:56 <ahmad78> sure an email to -dev would be a good reminder 19:18:01 <ennael> ok 19:18:13 <ennael> #action send in a daily mail list of missing deps 19:18:16 <Nanar> shikamaru: yes, yes yes, just mentionning it, out of topic right now 19:18:33 <ennael> ok 19:18:36 <Dr_ST_home> hi 19:18:53 <ennael> is that all for missing deps ? 19:19:12 <shikamaru> about updates 19:19:24 <ennael> yep second point 19:19:30 <shikamaru> it could be nice to send to the list packages that should _not_ be updated :) 19:19:34 <ennael> and ahmad78 is very worried about it :) 19:19:36 <ennael> yep 19:19:51 <ennael> this is information but of course we need to be carefull with this 19:20:00 <Nanar> wikipage anyone can check ? 19:20:02 <ahmad78> it's just easy to update a GNOME package wrongly nowadays 19:20:08 <ennael> no question to update gcc or rpm or gnome3 19:20:09 <Nanar> or any lock on bsside ? 19:20:14 <shikamaru> a wiki page could do the job yes 19:20:18 <Nanar> ennael: :\ 19:20:40 <ennael> link to this wiki page should be added written in red in web page 19:20:47 <Dr_ST_home> I missed it, in short, no gnome3? 19:20:53 <ennael> nope 19:20:58 <Dr_ST_home> ok 19:21:51 <ennael> having maintainers later amy help as people should ask them before updating sensitive packages 19:22:29 <ennael> pterjan: can you add this in page? 19:22:38 <ennael> ahmad78: does it look enough for you. 19:22:39 <ennael> ? 19:22:45 <pterjan> ok 19:22:59 <ahmad78> ennael: I hope so 19:23:00 <pterjan> not sure how but yes 19:23:13 * pterjan will probably need to make an ugly patch to the code 19:23:15 <ennael> Also mentors should be careful with this and inform trainees 19:23:29 <ennael> pterjan: that would be nice (not the ugly part) 19:24:32 <Dr_ST_home> ok, gtg but just to say I'm still interested, mail me if needed, I'll have more time in may 19:24:38 <Dr_ST_home> have a good meeting 19:24:45 <ennael> #action add link in page to inform about sensitive packages that should not be updated without asking 19:24:58 <Kharec> Can we update patchutils? 19:25:08 <ennael> wait please :)u27 19:25:10 <ennael> outch 19:25:12 <Kharec> oops. 19:25:12 <ennael> sorry 19:25:15 <Kharec> me too. 19:25:32 <Nanar> ennael: touchpad ? /o\ 19:25:32 <andre999> it might be a good idea to put do-not-update and missing dependancies on the same wiki page ? 19:25:36 <ennael> Nanar: yep :) 19:25:54 <ennael> andre999: well missing deps are already listed in web page 19:26:05 <Nanar> andre999: missing deps is automatically generated pages 19:26:10 <andre999> ennael: ok i missed that 19:26:19 <ennael> in updates page you can find new version of gcc or rpm... 19:26:20 <andre999> ok 19:26:34 <ennael> so we just want to avoid some updates that we would not want 19:26:47 <ennael> especially as stable realease is coming 19:26:51 <Nanar> ennael: no rpm5 then ? /o\ 19:26:56 * ennael slaps Nanar 19:26:56 <ennael> :) 19:27:04 <andre999> :) 19:27:05 <Nanar> :) 19:27:18 <ennael> ok anything else to add on that topic ? 19:27:42 <Nanar> maybe 19:27:44 <shikamaru> perhaps freeze some of them ? 19:27:57 <shikamaru> like what’s done for glibc afaik 19:28:03 <Nanar> should maintainer mention a list they don't want to see updated ? 19:28:33 <Nanar> I mean if I know package X must not be ve updated at time for any reason 19:28:39 <ennael> well I'd like to have it in this list together with a reason on this 19:28:55 <andre999> could be added to the do-not-update page ? 19:28:56 <Nanar> I can give the reason 19:29:18 <Nanar> but maybe nobody will think to this package as it is not os important 19:29:21 <Nanar> so 19:29:31 <ennael> Nanar: ok so add it in page 19:29:35 <Nanar> ok 19:29:37 <ennael> I will mail about that page ok ? 19:29:49 <Nanar> (yes indeed it's wiki page) 19:29:57 <ennael> #action ennael will mail about not-to-be-updated packages page on wiki 19:30:03 <ennael> ok 19:30:08 <ennael> anything else to add on this ? 19:30:38 <andre999> maybe all do-not-updates should have the reason ? 19:30:59 <ennael> 21:28 < ennael> well I'd like to have it in this list together with a reason on this 19:31:01 <pterjan> jq: if https://gist.github.com/918226 works (I did not even check the syntax) that should speed your uploads a lot :) 19:31:02 <ennael> that one ? :) 19:31:02 <erzulie> [ 's gist: 918226 -- Gist ] 19:31:31 <ennael> reminder: version freeze on 20th or april 19:31:39 <ennael> #info reminder: version freeze on 20th or april 19:33:08 <ennael> ok next topic then 19:33:16 <ennael> #topic secteam creation 19:33:25 <Nanar> hum 19:33:34 <ennael> we need to decide a date to have a meeting about this 19:34:09 <ennael> any proposal for those who are interested? 19:35:06 <Kharec> me, me! 19:35:11 <brianb> can you remind me what the role and function of the secteam will play? 19:35:37 <pterjan> brianb: managing security updates 19:35:40 <ennael> take care about all offcial updates for stable releases 19:35:46 <ennael> at least to manage it 19:36:10 <Kharec> And make fix for CVE issue? 19:36:17 <pterjan> yes 19:36:18 <Nanar> it's important task, needing time 19:36:32 <Nanar> and lot of management 19:36:38 <ennael> well we can have several part time guys 19:36:46 <ennael> and stew is proposing to help to manage it 19:37:04 <ennael> if no proposal I will discuss with myself and decide a date :) 19:37:05 <Kharec> I have to go, but i'm very interesting to be part of secteam 19:37:06 <pterjan> the main problem would be when we have everyone on vacation 19:37:25 <ennael> yep 19:37:28 <Nanar> ennael: so you need a date ? 19:37:34 <Kharec> I have to go, but i'm very interesting to be part of secteam 19:37:38 <ennael> yes what time you prefer 19:37:46 <Nanar> Kharec: ? 19:37:59 <Kharec> Nanar: yup? 19:38:00 <pterjan> he is very very interested :) 19:38:00 <anaselli> pterjan: just hope not to be all from the same country... 19:38:03 <shikamaru> I think he meant interested ? :) 19:38:08 <Kharec> pterjan: yep :) 19:38:14 <andre999> but distracted :) 19:38:33 <pterjan> anaselli: having people from south and north would help 19:38:35 <Nanar> Kharec: date and time for meeting about secteam 19:38:37 <Nanar> ? 19:38:44 <ennael> ok let say 19th of april, 21hUTC 19:38:47 <ennael> is that ok ? 19:38:51 <anaselli> and west and east too :) 19:39:07 <Kharec> ennael: ok for me, I will mail on -dev if you want 19:39:08 <Nanar> fine for me (even I am not the most intesrested) 19:39:17 <ennael> Kharec: I'm doing it now 19:39:21 <Kharec> ennael: no problem! 19:39:22 * pterjan will try to attend 19:39:32 <shikamaru> next tuesday so ? 19:39:39 <Kharec> yup! 19:39:43 <brianb> on -dev channel? 19:39:44 <Kharec> I will be there! 19:39:54 <Kharec> I think so. 19:39:57 <pterjan> someone from a country with no vacations ? 19:40:03 <ennael> :) 19:40:14 <anaselli> pterjan: do you? 19:40:16 <anaselli> :p 19:40:32 <ennael> #action secteam first meeting planned for 19th of april, 19h UTC 19:40:39 <Nanar> what is vacations ? 19:40:44 <Kharec> ennael: good! 19:40:45 <Nanar> :) 19:40:46 <shikamaru> Nanar: ^^ 19:40:49 <ennael> Nanar: something for real human beings 19:40:54 <anaselli> pterjan: from the boss point of view... no one should go on vacation ;) 19:41:02 <Nanar> ennael: ah ok, not my concerned 19:41:04 <Kharec> good night all, see you tuesday (or tomorow)! 19:41:19 <ennael> I will check with stew and let you know on -dev 19:41:27 <Stormi> will the secteam manage all updates to stable releases ? 19:41:30 <Stormi> even bugfixes ? 19:41:46 <ennael> at least manage process 19:41:50 <mikala> Stormi: well at least contact the maintainer 19:41:59 <ennael> but this has to be decided 19:42:00 <ennael> later :) 19:42:03 <Stormi> ok 19:42:06 <ennael> #topic maintainers management 19:42:11 <ennael> ok 19:42:21 <ennael> boklm: can you make wuick review about maintainers app ? 19:42:31 <Stormi> yes, be very wuick 19:42:48 <ennael> hum 19:43:05 <boklm> so there is a test version of maintainers app on http://www.maintdb2.mageia.org.uk/maintainers 19:43:06 <erzulie> [ Mageia maintainers database ] 19:43:46 <Nanar> \o/ 19:43:53 * Nanar maintains hot-babe 19:43:57 <boklm> linked to BS 19:43:59 <mikala> 70 packages 19:44:04 <mikala> ouch 19:44:11 <boklm> first time someone submit a package, he becomes the maintainer 19:44:19 <andre999> nice - but wouldn't it be better in alpha order ? 19:45:22 <anaselli> mikala: i believe it's because of the imported packages... :) 19:45:31 <andre999> it says " " has 0 packages 19:45:32 <boklm> work is on maintdb is done by Kosmas 19:45:49 <ahmad78> boklm: that's not right... I submitted packages I don't want to be maintianer of (rda said it won't stick in that stage) 19:45:51 <ahmad78> :) 19:46:26 <ennael> as a comment on this we are looking for people to help on this app 19:46:36 <boklm> yes 19:46:37 <ennael> to finalize it in a faster way 19:46:39 <Nanar> language ? 19:46:47 <andre999> where are packages submitted by trainees - under mentor ? 19:46:49 <boklm> currently it's done in ruby I think 19:46:54 <ennael> #action find developpers to help on maintdb app 19:47:17 <Nanar> where is the code 19:47:19 <Nanar> ? 19:47:26 <Nanar> in our svn ? 19:47:40 <ennael> boklm: any information ? 19:47:44 <boklm> Nanar: url for the code is on http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=web:maintdb 19:47:45 <erzulie> [ web:maintdb [Mageia temporary wiki] ] 19:47:53 <boklm> http://gitorious.org/mageia-maintainers-database-r2 19:47:54 <erzulie> [ Mageia Maintainers Database r2 - Gitorious ] 19:48:09 <ennael> #url http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=web:maintdb 19:48:09 <erzulie> [ web:maintdb [Mageia temporary wiki] ] 19:49:09 <boklm> the wiki page has all the specs of the interface it should provide 19:49:13 <shikamaru> well, is the second url you gave uptodate ? 19:49:18 <Nanar> look like this project is outside mageia 19:49:36 <boklm> shikamaru: I don't know 19:49:42 <Nanar> their own VCS, own bug tracker, etc.. 19:50:09 <boklm> developement does not seem very active at the moment 19:50:38 <ennael> Nanar: this is something we can change easily I guess 19:50:52 <ennael> big priority now is to finalize it quickly 19:52:01 <ennael> anybody interested ? 19:52:06 <shikamaru> I am 19:52:11 <ennael> great 19:52:17 <shikamaru> but I need to know what is needed 19:52:18 * Nanar don't know ruby 19:52:21 <ennael> 1 victim^w^contrib 19:52:25 <anaselli> ennael: which language? 19:52:29 <ennael> ruby 19:52:49 <boklm> current version is ruby, but could be redone in an other language if it can be faster to redo it 19:53:21 <Nanar> redo it in perl + catalyst is possible 19:53:32 <boklm> what it needs to do is descrideb in the API on the wiki page 19:53:37 <Nanar> but will need time 19:53:44 <Nanar> who did it first ? 19:53:57 <boklm> Nanar: first version is done by Kosmas 19:53:57 <anaselli> boklm: i'm a c/c++ programmer... ruby is not that different... i could gave a look, but don't so much spare time at the moment 19:54:02 <shikamaru> boklm: http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=web:maintdb#todo ? 19:54:02 <erzulie> [ web:maintdb [Mageia temporary wiki] ] 19:54:19 <anaselli> maybe in the week-end... but you can trust me so much :/ 19:54:22 <shikamaru> these 6 items right ? 19:54:47 <boklm> shikamaru: ah, I don't know if TODO list is up to date 19:55:06 <boklm> shikamaru: but there is list of POST and GET urls that the app should have 19:55:20 <shikamaru> but these should be specified 19:55:42 <boklm> shikamaru: what is not specified ? 19:56:02 <shikamaru> these lists of POST and GET urls 19:56:41 <boklm> shikamaru: there is the list in the page, with arguments and what it should return 19:57:43 <shikamaru> mmh well, let me rephrase then :) 19:58:38 <shikamaru> in this list some routes might be implemented, some not, it’s hard to see in the wiki page which one are implemented, which are not 19:58:45 <boklm> ah yes 19:58:57 <shikamaru> maybe bugs should be opened about that 19:58:59 <boklm> I don't know exactly what is already implemented 19:59:35 <andre999> right - the status of each routine should be listed 20:00:33 <boklm> it seems txt format (the most important) is not implemented 20:00:36 <ennael> ok so looks like we need to take some time with current dev and precise all this 20:00:40 <shikamaru> ah ? 20:00:51 <andre999> (implemention status) 20:00:52 <ennael> shikamaru: can you do it on -dev ? 20:01:10 <shikamaru> well, yes, or else even a rewrite would be a waste of time IMHO 20:01:33 <boklm> ah, json is working 20:01:37 <shikamaru> yep 20:01:40 <ennael> ok let's try this for now 20:01:53 <shikamaru> ennael: do what on -dev ? 20:01:57 <ennael> #action shikamaru will contact current dev and check real status 20:02:02 <shikamaru> ah 20:02:08 <shikamaru> ok 20:02:14 <shikamaru> need to check with rda and kosmas 20:02:15 <ennael> on -dev would be nice so that other people can follow 20:02:18 <ennael> yep 20:02:41 <boklm> also, we need instructions to be able to install this on Mageia servers 20:02:56 <shikamaru> boklm: I can do that 20:03:13 <shikamaru> #action shikamaru write a procedure to install maintdb on Mageia servers 20:03:21 <boklm> thanks 20:03:43 <shikamaru> I think misc said fcgi would be prefered over other methods right ? 20:04:20 <boklm> hmm, I need to check 20:04:34 <ennael> together with this we will have to write down the way we want to manage maintainers rights : rest of the world 20:04:46 <ennael> meaning: who can do what and how ? 20:04:58 <ennael> do we use teams for maintainance on some packages... 20:05:28 <ennael> shall we use the way we had in mdv or change it 20:06:08 * ennael killed everybody... 20:06:13 <anaselli> well ennael team is good for me, i mean maintainer group 20:06:45 <anaselli> but maybe for some packages could be discussed case ba case 20:06:47 <shikamaru> no battery left, I follow on the phone but might take some time to answer :/ be right back 20:06:58 <anaselli> i mean some maintainers don't want to share... 20:07:05 <pterjan> I think allowing to co-maintain package is nice 20:07:10 <ennael> well having teams might need to have some kind of leaders to manage team 20:07:26 <pterjan> not really team in most cases 20:07:33 <andre999> teams make sense for big packages -- and critical packages 20:07:56 <ennael> pterjan: well at least to be sure tasks are done inside team for bug reports for example 20:07:58 <andre999> so being able to list multiple maintainers would be a good feature 20:08:04 <ennael> not waiting for the others to do it 20:08:45 <pterjan> well I think there is no real need for a team then if one person is more responsible 20:08:56 <pterjan> that person can be the maintainer 20:09:03 <Stormi> a games team could be could 20:09:07 <Stormi> good* 20:09:19 <pterjan> Stormi: why ? 20:09:30 <ennael> pterjan: I know for example we may have 3+ guys for KDE for example 20:09:33 <pterjan> it means I can not maintain a game if I don't want to maintain other games ? 20:09:36 <ennael> maybe for kernel 20:10:00 <andre999> ennael: similar for gnome 20:10:04 <Stormi> pterjan: I don't know 20:10:22 <ennael> so lots of question we need to answer before starting 20:10:25 <Stormi> maybe being in the team doesn't mean you have to maintain all packages the team can tuoch 20:10:31 <ennael> how would you like to proceed ? 20:10:32 <ennael> ML ? 20:10:46 <andre999> maybe a wiki page 20:10:49 <pterjan> I think ML is nice to collect all things people want 20:10:59 <shikamaru> that depends on the workload 20:11:02 <andre999> so we can see all the ideas/proposals together 20:11:03 <anaselli> ennael: i would consider three or four areas 20:11:08 <pterjan> then it can be summarized somewhere after like a week 20:11:18 <ennael> so collect during a week comments on ML 20:11:21 <ennael> summarize 20:11:22 <pterjan> and we can have a dedicated meeting based on the info 20:11:23 <Stormi> maybe someone could look at the state of the art and propose a first draft we could then discuss ? 20:11:29 <ennael> and decide during meeting , 20:11:31 <ennael> ? 20:11:33 <mikala> hum need to move 20:11:34 <anaselli> and then assign one of them to who are present more 20:11:37 <ennael> then write policy 20:11:56 <ennael> Stormi: state of the art? 20:12:03 <ennael> what other distros are doing ? 20:12:06 <Stormi> yes 20:12:09 <ennael> I guess this will comme as comments 20:12:14 <Stormi> ok then :) 20:12:15 <ennael> explaining what is good or not 20:12:29 <ennael> ok 20:12:37 <pterjan> yes I am sure misc knows how it works in other distros :) 20:12:54 <ennael> #action start 1 week discussion on -dev ML about maintainers policy for Mageia 20:13:08 <ennael> #action plan a meeting dedicated to that subject to decide final policy 20:13:15 <ennael> what about using next meeting ? 20:13:22 <ennael> next wednesday 20:13:33 <anaselli> ennael: fine for me 20:13:35 <pterjan> maybe, 20:13:44 <ennael> ok 20:13:45 <pterjan> depends how many other things are to be discussed 20:13:56 <ennael> well we can focus meeting on that 20:14:01 <ennael> I guess it's important enough 20:14:05 <pterjan> ok 20:14:12 <ennael> #undo 20:14:12 <Inigo_Montoya`> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0xb73fbccc> 20:14:25 <pterjan> wow 20:14:28 <ennael> #action next meeting will be dedicated to that subject to decide final policy 20:14:29 <pterjan> nice feature :) 20:14:33 <ennael> :) 20:14:52 <ennael> ok anything else to add on maintainers topic ? 20:15:18 <anaselli> mini team should be the mentor-padawan team :) 20:15:24 <anaselli> could 20:15:39 <shikamaru> ? 20:16:04 <anaselli> i mean mentor and padawan work on the same packages at the moment 20:16:25 <anaselli> so they could be a maintanership team 20:16:25 <andre999> so automatically co-maintainers ? 20:16:38 <anaselli> at least in the very first time 20:16:39 <andre999> makes sense 20:16:49 <Stormi> let's see that on the ML 20:16:50 <ennael> should not be too long 20:16:55 <ennael> big work for mentors 20:17:02 <ennael> #topic action plan until stable1 release 20:17:17 <ennael> about that topic we spoke about missing deps, packaging errors 20:17:18 <shikamaru> mmh well, a team is especially useful for one thing : assigning bugs to a group of people 20:17:39 <ennael> we have one thing to be done which is translations updates for mageia specific softs 20:17:44 <ennael> like drakx* 20:18:03 <ennael> work is done by i18n team but we shoukd start to integrate it 20:18:10 <ennael> many bugs are opened on it 20:18:22 <ennael> so we need guys who would take care of it 20:18:52 <shikamaru> do teams commit their work in svn ? 20:19:14 <shikamaru> which would mean we just need to rebuild these tools right ? 20:19:20 <ennael> Transifex is linked to svn 20:19:23 <ennael> if I'm not wrong 20:19:28 <ennael> shikamaru: yes 20:19:36 <ennael> but we need to be sure it will be done 20:20:12 <anaselli> ennael: so what are you looking for exactly? one person per language? 20:20:15 <shikamaru> ok 20:20:20 <ennael> nope 20:20:27 <ennael> people in charge with some packages 20:20:46 <shikamaru> anaselli: not the translations themselves 20:21:02 <shikamaru> just ensure they are spread on the mirrors 20:21:22 <ennael> #action we need people to take care of releasing new versions integrating last localizations 20:21:23 <shikamaru> instead of just laying in svn 20:21:40 <andre999> we need to ensure the internationalisation of things we develop 20:22:11 <ennael> yep 20:22:12 <shikamaru> andre999: that's i18n job, not ours 20:22:32 <anaselli> which is the hard work there? making new tarball for rpm package? 20:22:33 <ennael> well ensure work on localization is integrated in final packages 20:22:41 <ennael> anaselli: no hard work 20:22:49 <ennael> but work that has to be done 20:23:12 <ennael> it's easier if 2 or 3 guys can manage it in a systematic way 20:23:22 <ennael> then we can slap them if work is not done ;) 20:23:38 <anaselli> i'm out then :p 20:23:56 <ennael> ok another mail I will send on ML 20:24:00 <ennael> be ready for spam 20:24:07 <andre999> :) 20:24:20 <ennael> anything else to add on things to be done before stable release? 20:25:36 <shikamaru> 5 spots to look at 20:25:47 <pterjan> decide on a place for a big party 20:25:54 <ennael> sure :) 20:27:03 <anaselli> ennael: either of secteam we should discuss also on how to manage stable release, and stable updates 20:27:18 <anaselli> the policy i mean 20:27:27 <ennael> anaselli: this is for next meeting 20:27:30 <ennael> ok 20:27:35 <ennael> last topic 20:27:41 <anaselli> ok 20:27:52 <ennael> #topic ARM review 20:27:57 <ennael> and here is rtp :) 20:28:18 <shikamaru> :) 20:28:47 <ennael> rtp: can you give us a quick view of current ARM port and what we could have for stable release ? 20:30:38 <rtp> as some may have noted, I've merged a bunch of patches to get some rpm build/work on arm 20:31:17 <rtp> that makes on my repo about 700-800 src.rpm so enough to get a system booting to a minimal system 20:32:26 <rtp> unfortunately, due to gcc miscompilation, I'm rebuilding all of them. I've done about 160 of them and found also some new build issues which were not arm (like some pkgfindeps stuff) 20:33:13 <rtp> so, if all goes well and enough packages are rebuild, I hope that we'll have a small rootfs working on qemu and some kirkwood systems 20:33:56 <rtp> no guarantee about GNOME/QT as there are still some rpms missing 20:34:06 <blino> rtp: how about integration in the BS? can we steal a pandaboard for that? 20:34:39 <rtp> blino: we need a working kernel for it and some storage on it too 20:35:07 <shikamaru> mmh could it act as a bottleneck if we do ? 20:35:32 <shikamaru> or could the scheduler cope with that ? 20:36:09 <blino> rtp: we could try ndb for storage, if we can connect the ARM board to an other system with a direct 1GBps ethernet connection 20:36:20 <rtp> shikamaru: the scheduler must probably be adapted 20:37:38 <brianb> are you refereing to the kernel scheduler? 20:37:38 <rtp> blino: yeah. I was thinking of something like openrd + panda so that we'll have 2 nodes and one with real storage. the 2 ethernets port will help for that too as there's no encryption on stuff like nbd 20:37:49 <rtp> brianb: build system scheduler 20:37:56 <brianb> ok 20:38:22 <rtp> brianb: packages will take more time to build so waiting for them to upload the rpm will slow down things 20:38:51 <shikamaru> exclude libreoffice ! :P 20:39:00 <pterjan> rtp: it may work fine if in arch and not in mandatory_arch 20:39:27 <rtp> pterjan: build system is out of my knowledge so every input is welcome :) 20:39:48 <pterjan> upload of packages from a node happens if all mandatory_arch are done 20:40:06 <pterjan> but I don't know if it works fine :) 20:40:23 <blino> I think it did work at some point 20:40:29 <blino> when x86_64 was not mandatory 20:41:18 <blino> but maybe we did not even use this "mandatory_arch" approach, at some point x86_64 rebuild was done using iurt directly on the src repo 20:42:06 <rtp> we could do that too but a choice has to be made 20:42:12 <rtp> :) 20:42:15 <ennael> ok 20:42:41 <ennael> #info decisions has to be taken on build system side to integrate ARM 20:43:07 <ennael> rtp: anything to add on that topic ? 20:43:30 <blino> we will let Anssi decide about this 20:43:30 <rtp> I don't think... 20:43:38 <rtp> blino: :) 20:43:59 <ennael> ok Anssi will manage ARM port :) 20:44:21 <ennael> hum 20:44:23 <shikamaru> :) 20:44:37 <ennael> ok 1h45 I guess we can close meeting for today 20:44:44 <ennael> thanks all for attending 20:44:51 <shikamaru> thanks 20:44:56 <ennael> #endmeeting