19:08:02 <obgr_seneca> #startmeeting 19:08:02 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Wed Jan 25 19:08:02 2012 UTC. The chair is obgr_seneca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:08:02 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:08:11 <obgr_seneca> #chair Max__ ennael 19:08:11 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: Max__ ennael obgr_seneca 19:08:15 <Max__> Just in time... 19:08:20 <ennael> hi there sorry to be late 19:08:20 <tumbeliina> :) 19:08:21 <obgr_seneca> Hi ennael 19:08:27 <schultz> hey enneal 19:08:34 <Max__> Hello ennael :) 19:08:41 <sebsebseb> hi ennael 19:08:45 <obgr_seneca> #topic artwork for Mageia 2 19:08:52 <tumbeliina> hi ennael 19:09:18 <obgr_seneca> I was hoping to see olav vitters here as well. He said in the mail he would come 19:09:34 <ennael> as I'm an old girl I forgot to mail tv 19:09:46 <ennael> so I will try to answer questions about drakx* 19:09:51 <obgr_seneca> So, let's begin with a list of things we need 19:10:09 <obgr_seneca> #info things needed for Mga2 19:10:15 <obgr_seneca> #info a wallpaper 19:10:25 <obgr_seneca> #info artwork for drakxtools 19:10:42 <obgr_seneca> #info a report on what's needed for the DEs 19:10:51 <obgr_seneca> ennael: Did I miss anything? 19:11:09 <schultz> plymouth and bootsplash 19:11:14 <ennael> also maybe work on general process artwork/devs 19:11:43 <obgr_seneca> #info artwork for plymouth and bootsplash 19:11:49 <Max__> What kind of artwork for drakxtools? 19:12:05 <ennael> let start in order :) 19:12:12 <schultz> does the installer come under drakxtools? 19:12:19 <obgr_seneca> #topic wallpaper 19:12:38 <obgr_seneca> Before he had to leave, TeaAge said, he started on two wallpapers 19:12:46 <obgr_seneca> They can be found here: 19:13:00 <obgr_seneca> #url https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/UWL1Vok2dsV0nFaE0WL_J8WFIzFZ2BaC21XF10gWwzE?feat=directlink 19:13:08 <schultz> from my part in that, there is the pool on flickr that seems to have some good ideas on it for the wallpaper. I guess that we should close that soon so we can get on with refining the ideas 19:13:17 <obgr_seneca> #url https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7I4xIgSpbpjAHYJTg1I83sWFIzFZ2BaC21XF10gWwzE?feat=directlink 19:13:39 <Max__> I would also like to point out that we need to support additional screen resolutions for the wallpapers. 19:13:42 <obgr_seneca> schultz: do you have an url? 19:14:02 <ennael> one important point that may have been forgotten 19:14:21 <Max__> The default wallpaper for my 1366x768 screen is all stretched. 19:14:21 <ennael> wall paper must be usable 19:14:28 <ennael> meaning you use it as background 19:14:40 <schultz> they are just TeagAge's ones, the flickr link is: http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-2-artwork/ 19:14:40 <ennael> and you check icons and texts are readable 19:14:46 <obgr_seneca> There's also the flickr pool at 19:14:55 <obgr_seneca> #url http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-2-artwork/ 19:15:06 <schultz> that is the same place that I was meaning 19:15:13 <obgr_seneca> ennael: that's an important point 19:15:34 <schultz> the text/icons there are required to be readable and be the standard logo 19:15:44 <ennael> and I'm afraid teage's one is not really usable 19:15:52 <ennael> it's nice and work is big 19:15:54 <obgr_seneca> and it should not be too "heavily loaded", if you know, what I mean? 19:15:56 <sebsebseb> Personally I think it's good to have a good default wall paper, and then quite a few others in there as well, plus that's what quite a few other distros tend to do now. 19:15:57 <schultz> ofcourse there are some that don't fit, but most do 19:16:00 <ennael> obgr_seneca: yep 19:16:19 <ennael> can we try to fix some rules for meeting :) 19:16:29 <ennael> so that everybody can speak and one at a time :) 19:16:40 <obgr_seneca> ennael: :) 19:16:44 <schultz> ennael: sounds good 19:16:49 <ennael> great :) 19:17:16 <ennael> so we do agree we need a main wallpaper 19:17:26 <sebsebseb> I think the default wall paper should have Mageia branding on it. 19:17:27 <ennael> and then maybe choose some other one to add 19:17:31 <ennael> sebsebseb: yep 19:17:41 <schultz> yes, about the branding too 19:17:43 <ennael> for the other wallpaper would be nice to organize a contest 19:17:49 <obgr_seneca> due to my connectio here, I can't really look at any of those links 19:17:50 <sebsebseb> ennael: agreed 19:17:55 <schultz> that was partly the flickr thing 19:18:13 <ennael> about the main one we need to define clearly what is needed for 19:18:23 <obgr_seneca> #action choose a default wallpaper and maybe start a contest for alternative ones 19:18:26 <ennael> and also shall we use it for all boot 19:18:40 <mikala> i'm back 19:18:51 <schultz> yes, it should be bootsplash, plymouth Dm ksplash the background 19:18:54 <obgr_seneca> I would use the default wallpaper for boot and drakx as well 19:18:57 <schultz> mikala: hey 19:19:00 <ennael> ok 19:19:23 <obgr_seneca> hi mikala 19:19:27 <ennael> #info main wall paper for background and all boot process 19:19:55 <ennael> #info define on wiki a list of must have for main wallpaper 19:19:58 <obgr_seneca> but I have to tell you, I'm a lousy artist so I won't be able to do much on this part :/ 19:20:02 <sebsebseb> I did see some quite nice wall papers on the Flicker actually, that had Mageia branding on it, and that would probably be ok as a default. 19:20:03 <ennael> :) 19:20:14 <sebsebseb> Or maybe like with the logo for Mageia 1, there should be a content for all wall papers, including the default? 19:20:42 <ennael> also we spoke on council that this wallpaper will be proposed in council so that everybody can agree on that 19:20:43 <schultz> here are some of the ones from flickr that I thought were promising: http://www.flickr.com/photos/68652392@N08/6250415488/in/pool-1801562@N23/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/69356623@N03/6307184350/in/pool-1801562@N23/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/55763539@N04/6310201210/in/pool-1801562@N23/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/71117093@N07/6434197305/in/pool-1801562@N23/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/71386382@N08/6447028603/in/pool- 19:20:43 <schultz> 1801562@N23/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/fjcast/6455251811/in/pool-1801562@N23/ 19:20:53 <ennael> as it's really about Mageia image 19:21:00 <obgr_seneca> Max__: Could you set up that wiki page ennael was talking about? 19:21:35 <schultz> there is a bit on the wiki with links to the wallpapers for mageia 1, they should also be moved if a new page is being set up 19:21:35 <Max__> #action Max__ will set up a page defining must-haves for the wallpaper 19:21:52 <obgr_seneca> thx 19:22:23 <obgr_seneca> anything else on the wallpaper right now? 19:22:38 <schultz> on the flickr page, there are guidelines about what is required, maybe they could be used, although they did come from the wiki in the first place 19:22:39 <sebsebseb> So is the content for the default wall paper as well, or not? 19:23:26 <schultz> it would be good if people could leave there thoughts on the above wallpapers on flicky, are set up somewhere where we can collect feedback 19:23:28 <obgr_seneca> Max__: Would you look at those guidlines, schultz was talking about? We can discuss them further on the ml? 19:23:35 <Max__> Yup. 19:23:43 <ennael> you can comment on flickr 19:23:53 <sebsebseb> yep 19:24:21 <schultz> flickt would be best, as that is where the feedback is now, but it is lacking a little so more would be great 19:24:49 <schultz> choosing a short list soon would be good too, shall we say sometime in February 19:24:55 <obgr_seneca> Should we do a blog post about it? 19:25:01 <sebsebseb> obgr_seneca: yes I think so 19:25:06 <sebsebseb> the contest 19:25:07 <ennael> maybe contest also about main wallpaper ? 19:25:07 <schultz> there already was one 19:25:16 <ennael> as we do not have designer for now 19:25:20 <sebsebseb> ennael: yes I think the content should be for the default wall paper as well 19:25:21 <schultz> a contest would be good too 19:25:21 <Max__> Whoa. The FLickr links to the old dokuwiki, schultz you should fix that. 19:25:38 <schultz> Max__: will do 19:26:01 <obgr_seneca> #action schultz fix the link on flickr to the new wiki 19:26:02 <ennael> #action manage a contest for main wallpaper also (blog post, rules...) 19:26:13 <sebsebseb> well main wall paper, and runners up 19:26:16 <sebsebseb> which can be in the distro as well? 19:26:18 <obgr_seneca> ennael: who? 19:26:25 <ennael> I can do it 19:26:34 <obgr_seneca> ok 19:26:39 <obgr_seneca> #undo 19:26:39 <Inigo_Montoya> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x84f168c> 19:26:40 <ennael> while you don"t ask me to draw :) 19:26:49 <tumbeliina> if there would be contest i can give prize for winnwer t-shirt ;) 19:26:55 <schultz> here is the original blog post: http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/11/28/looking-better-and-better/ 19:26:56 <ennael> yep sure 19:26:57 <obgr_seneca> #action ennael manage a contest for main wallpaper also (blog post, rules...) 19:27:02 <Max__> I say pick three to be ackaged, and the one with most votes gets to be default. 19:27:16 <schultz> sounds good to me 19:27:18 <sebsebseb> and some others go in there as options as well I guess 19:27:22 <Max__> Probably from a shortlist of 10. 19:27:22 <ennael> maybe not 19:27:44 <ennael> as the main one can be tricky to choose 19:27:50 <schultz> ofcourse they don't all need to conform to the colour pallette and what not, so standard photography will do 19:28:00 <Max__> As in, the artwork team shortlist 10 wallpapers, and the community votes on them. The three highest get packaged, and the single highest is default. 19:28:06 <sebsebseb> agreed a standard photo with Mageia's logo on it, could do 19:28:18 <obgr_seneca> I think main wallpaper should be chosen by artwork and council 19:28:19 <schultz> they can also be used and the screensavers, not that they are that important anymore.... 19:28:30 <tumbeliina> the prize t-shirt is mageia print on it 19:28:37 <sebsebseb> yep that's a point, nice to have a nice background changer slide show, well for those of us that bother with that 19:28:40 <ennael> I will propose on ML and we can discuss then about this then post on blog 19:28:51 <obgr_seneca> ok 19:28:58 <obgr_seneca> next topic? 19:29:09 <schultz> yeah i guess so 19:29:21 <obgr_seneca> #topic drakx artwork 19:29:44 <obgr_seneca> so, what do we need there, ennael? 19:29:59 <ennael> I guess no need to change installer for now 19:30:09 <schultz> the specs were in the old wiki, so they should be somewhere 19:30:11 <ennael> it's really tricky and ask huge amount of time 19:30:19 <obgr_seneca> ouch 19:30:26 <ennael> so basically it's about control center 19:30:46 <ennael> so that left background (menu) can fit with wallpaper 19:30:51 <schultz> would it not be better to look at it from what needs fixed/changed? as most things seem ok for me, just smallish tweaks needed 19:30:59 <obgr_seneca> I think that graphic on the left hand menu should be the same as the wallpaper, no? 19:30:59 <sebsebseb> yep agreed the control centre, should fit in with the default wall paper 19:31:09 <ennael> also one big thing 19:31:09 <sebsebseb> obgr_seneca: yep exactly 19:31:13 <schultz> yep for control centre, and the installer 19:31:26 <ennael> we still need to get icons 19:31:29 <obgr_seneca> ennael: yes? 19:31:29 <schultz> its also the left hand menu 19:31:47 <ennael> when mageia was forked I used some temporary one 19:31:47 <obgr_seneca> that's the hard part 19:32:07 <ennael> but global look'n feel is not good 19:32:26 <ennael> so for me it's a big priority 19:32:36 <sebsebseb> true Mageia needs it's own proper icons set I guess, altough Mageia 1 doesn't look that bad for icons in my opinion 19:32:36 <schultz> what are they? or more to the point, can we have a list somewhere? 19:32:39 <obgr_seneca> There's also a bug report about icons used for categories in rpmdrake 19:32:56 <ennael> obgr_seneca: yep it's part of it 19:33:03 <tumbeliina> i did those temporary ones and i hope some one do better ones... 19:33:10 <obgr_seneca> at the moment, oxygen icons are used there and in the menu 19:33:32 <ennael> oxygen and others :) 19:33:38 <ennael> it's all mexed 19:33:40 <ennael> mixed 19:34:00 <obgr_seneca> As I think, if I draw anything, you would run away screaming... 19:34:06 <ennael> :) 19:34:11 <schultz> would it be possible as we don't have a designer to use those icons, but try and standardize them? 19:34:33 <ennael> we can improve some of them yes 19:34:41 <ennael> but we need a designer for sure :) 19:34:50 <tumbeliina> agree 19:34:58 <tumbeliina> :) 19:35:06 <sebsebseb> Maybe there should even be a icons contest? 19:35:17 <obgr_seneca> There was some guy joining artwork team recently 19:35:19 <obgr_seneca> we could ask him? 19:35:22 <schultz> yep, there was somebody interested, but not sure what happened. I can search the archeive for the mail 19:35:47 <Max__> He was in IRC and I told him to join the ML, he did. Since then I haven't heard from him. 19:36:01 <schultz> true, that is another candidate 19:36:03 <obgr_seneca> #info we need icons for mcc and rpmdrake 19:36:04 <tumbeliina> i saw him once 19:36:11 <ennael> the guy from blogdrake ? 19:36:14 <tumbeliina> in irc 19:36:36 <schultz> what happened to MIB as they have designers? 19:36:38 <obgr_seneca> #action artwork team: try and get that designer in 19:36:54 <ennael> schultz: yep to draw anti-mageia logos :) 19:37:09 <obgr_seneca> schultz: MIB was - at least in the beginning - more then unfriendly towards Mga, iirc 19:37:37 <sebsebseb> Yep I saw that before, how MIB is anti Mageia. 19:37:52 <schultz> ok, I was.... actually where was I when Mageia started so i don't know the early History. 19:38:16 <schultz> If MDV memory is right, then my suggestion might have been a bad one.... 19:39:06 <Max__> ennael: yes, the guy from blograke. 19:40:04 <schultz> if we use oxygen icons for the replacement, how likely is it that we will get slated for being "too kde" as being un biased is good imo 19:40:32 <sebsebseb> schultz: Some people complain about KUbuntu for example, because it stays very close to upstream KDE. 19:40:57 <ennael> well the thing is if we do not have designer we have no choice 19:40:58 <obgr_seneca> schultz: we use oxygen as default theme at the moment, there's oxygen-getk arround 19:41:20 <sebsebseb> schultz: I think in general a lot of people like a distro to customise KDE from the default icons and such. 19:41:45 <ennael> is that all about icons? 19:41:47 <schultz> true, I guess that the icons don't really define the de so as long as they are consistant accross the distro's tools it will be fine 19:42:00 <schultz> ennael: yep 19:42:38 <obgr_seneca> ok, next topic? 19:42:43 <ennael> yep 19:42:48 <schultz> yes 19:42:51 <obgr_seneca> #topic plymouth and bootsplash 19:43:05 <sebsebseb> Plymouth :) 19:43:11 <schultz> I guess that this comes down to how fancy a plymouth do we want? 19:43:26 <sebsebseb> personaly I like rather fancy nice looking Plymouth themes :) 19:43:28 <obgr_seneca> So, imho those should be similar to the default wallpaper 19:43:37 <ennael> yep 19:43:44 <tumbeliina> agree 19:43:54 <obgr_seneca> I know, TeaAge did some stuff with plymouth in the past 19:44:00 <ennael> who did work on gfxboot ? 19:44:03 <schultz> it should have the default wallpaper, with an animation of some sort other than the word "mageia" 19:44:11 <schultz> me and TeaAge 19:44:13 <obgr_seneca> And there was another guy in MandrivaUser.de, who did some nice themes 19:44:17 <sebsebseb> the one for Mageia 1 is ok, and it would be even better in Mageia 2, with the new wallpaper I guess :) 19:44:19 <schultz> although TeaAge did most 19:44:19 <obgr_seneca> I can try and hunt him down 19:44:20 <sebsebseb> Plymouth would be I mean 19:44:25 <ennael> ok we will need some update on gfxboot 19:44:37 <ennael> due to new version of syslinux that works with gfxboot 19:44:49 <schultz> Ennael: whats needed? 19:45:17 <ennael> not all detail for now, basically configuration file 19:45:27 <ennael> updating syslinux needed to update gfxboot 19:45:29 <sebsebseb> also this is for the packagers to provide obviosuly, but I think the more Plymouth themes in the repos the better, altough when I tested out alpha 1 and 2, there were quite a few in the repos anyway :). 19:45:36 <ennael> and the version we had was a very old one 19:45:41 <obgr_seneca> #info create a plymouth theme going along with the default wallpaper 19:46:06 <schultz> with the plymouth theme, do we want the cauldron animated? 19:46:15 <sebsebseb> schultz: yes I think so :) 19:46:29 <schultz> ok, coling wants it too 19:46:33 <obgr_seneca> ennael: what would be needed for gfxboot from artwork? 19:46:43 <sebsebseb> if there isn't a animation 19:46:45 <sebsebseb> it looks boring 19:46:47 <sebsebseb> really 19:46:51 <sebsebseb> I guess 19:46:53 <schultz> I guess I should ping upstream for help 19:47:18 <obgr_seneca> hi doktor5000 19:47:28 <sebsebseb> hi doktor5000 19:47:41 <ennael> obgr_seneca: just rewrite some parts of configuration files 19:48:06 <schultz> would it be possible to have someone who knows the technical side of gfxboot and syslinux help out, as I don't really want to go nosing around in there blind 19:48:08 <obgr_seneca> I don't know anything about that :( 19:48:38 <obgr_seneca> ennael: who on dev side would we have for that? 19:49:01 <schultz> tmb fixed some things with gfxboot 19:49:11 <ennael> obgr_seneca: looks like schultz and teage 19:49:20 <ennael> on artwork side 19:49:26 <ennael> and erwan on dev side 19:49:49 <obgr_seneca> #action schultz and TeaAge get together with erwan for gfxboot things 19:49:52 <schultz> ok, I can contact erwan to ask what needs done to syslinux/gfxboot 19:50:20 <ennael> I will ping him also as he sits just near me :) 19:50:30 <schultz> I have done basic plymouth themes before, and i can do somethng similar to ksplash quite easily 19:50:53 <schultz> with the bubbles appearing 19:51:08 <sebsebseb> yep that kind of thing is good as well :) 19:51:10 <obgr_seneca> #info schultz knows about ksplash :) 19:51:28 <schultz> can we discuss ksplash later? 19:51:35 <ennael> yep 19:51:36 <schultz> mikala: ^^ 19:51:38 <obgr_seneca> yep 19:51:46 <sebsebseb> What's ksplash, the KDE log in thing? 19:51:49 <obgr_seneca> I think details should be discussed on the ml? 19:51:56 <ennael> yep 19:52:28 <schultz> dmorgan: knows about KDM stuff, but I guess I could work it out.... 19:52:29 <sebsebseb> Yep KDE log in thing, should have a nice theme to :). 19:52:33 <sebsebseb> ah yes that's a point 19:52:42 <schultz> gnome doesn't have one :) 19:52:47 <ennael> next topic ? 19:52:48 <sebsebseb> KDM and GDM and Slim and all that, well obviously they should all have Mageia branding to :). 19:52:58 <obgr_seneca> yep 19:53:11 <schultz> they should link to the default wallpaper which they do already ish.... 19:53:21 <obgr_seneca> #topic things needed for DE branding 19:53:23 <sebsebseb> yep they should have the default wallpaper agreed 19:53:45 <obgr_seneca> ok, first, as already mentioned: the dms should have the default wallpaper 19:53:52 <schultz> mageia logo, the cauldron can be animated but not the text. 19:53:58 <obgr_seneca> at the momen kdm does, gdm does not 19:53:59 <ennael> schultz: please 19:54:02 <schultz> that was how it was for mga 1 which works for me 19:54:38 <obgr_seneca> and all desktops/wms should have the wallpaper as well, when possible, ok? 19:54:40 <ennael> obgr_seneca: so this is a task for olav I guess 19:54:51 <obgr_seneca> ennael: yes 19:55:11 <obgr_seneca> #action bkor look after default wallpaper in gdm and gnome itself 19:56:12 <obgr_seneca> what other kind of branding should be done? 19:56:29 <ennael> we need to also to review general theme 19:56:50 <ennael> we do use oxygen but maybe we can personnalize it for mageia 19:56:54 <ennael> colors for example 19:57:02 <ennael> mikala: does it look possible ? 19:57:09 <sebsebseb> on the subject of themes 19:57:14 <schultz> there is a new theme proposed that uses qtcurve 19:57:29 <schultz> it comes with a new set of colours 19:57:41 <sebsebseb> Oxygen to some may look a bit odd to some in Gnome Shell, since that's realy the KDE theme, also there should be quite a few Gnome Shell themes in the repo obviously as well, I think there already are some not sure. 19:57:41 <obgr_seneca> I wouldn't change the default theme before Mga2 19:58:33 <obgr_seneca> There's two much depending on the theme, iirc we had some problems on live installers 19:58:37 <ennael> technically speaking oxygen is the only one that can fit both qt and gtk 19:59:05 <sebsebseb> yeah I read about that this Oxygen theme that Mageia will be using for Gnome as well, how it's a fork of Oxgen to GTK or whatever as well. 19:59:15 <schultz> that is my thoughts on it too - and surely with tweaks to the colour scheme we can create a look for mageia 19:59:28 <obgr_seneca> there is an oxygen-gtk2 and oxygen-gtk3 arround while iirc qtcurve doesn't work with gtk3 19:59:34 <ennael> yep 19:59:50 <ennael> and one of packagers priority and qa is to fox bugs on it so that it works well 19:59:50 <schultz> I didn't know about qtcurve and gtk3, that rules that out then 20:00:05 <ennael> artwork can have a look on colors 20:00:28 <ennael> final color will depend on main background I guess 20:00:52 <schultz> sounds good. We should try and use the colur pallette to give a unified mageia look as well 20:00:58 <sebsebseb> So Oxgen going to be used with XFCE and LXDE as well I assume. Off topic: There should be a Live CD for XFCE and LXDE as well I think. 20:01:27 <obgr_seneca> XFCE doesn't really have a maintainer in Mga right now 20:01:28 <ennael> sebsebseb: for now it's just not possible because we need more qa guys 20:01:29 <tumbeliina> sebsebseb: agree 20:01:35 <schultz> can we move on to a different part of de customization? 20:01:38 <obgr_seneca> I'll do on LXDE what's possible there 20:01:41 <ennael> and we cannot release buggy isos 20:02:11 <sebsebseb> ennael: oh right I see, well a guy on IRC has asked me a few times, why there wasn't a XFCE or if there was one yet, but oh ok :) 20:02:25 <ennael> sure :) 20:02:31 <ennael> but then find people for it :) 20:03:05 <ennael> ok looks like changing colors in oxygen is possible 20:03:19 <ennael> so we need a volunteer to work on it together with kde team 20:03:36 <schultz> i can, as mikala is my mentor..... 20:03:48 <schultz> same goes for ksplash 20:03:50 <ennael> ok nice 20:04:00 <obgr_seneca> #action schultz work together with kde team on colour theme 20:04:19 <obgr_seneca> ok, anything else right now? 20:04:25 <schultz> I need to go, but I think that the main things that I wanted to say i have. 20:04:39 <schultz> maybe we should change the plasma theme? but that can be decided later 20:04:58 <ennael> generally speaking we need to have process so that artwork team work with tech guys 20:05:13 <ennael> this will save time for sure 20:05:22 <obgr_seneca> #topic process for interaction between artwork and dev 20:05:31 <ennael> :) 20:05:40 <schultz> thanks for the meeting and see everyone around 20:06:18 <Max__> Um... I think the simplest would for the relevant devs to subscribe to the artwork ML. 20:06:23 <obgr_seneca> see you 20:06:31 <sebsebseb> Max__: yep that should work :) 20:06:42 <Max__> Complicated systems have a way of breaking down, this is easy and requires very little effort on everybody's part. 20:07:19 <obgr_seneca> ennael: how was that done in Mdv? 20:07:32 <ennael> ML is one thing but maybe we could write down representative for each part on artwork and tech sides 20:07:43 <ennael> obgr_seneca: well was easy as we had people very near 20:08:38 <obgr_seneca> #action create a wiki page listing representatives for each part on artwork and dev side 20:08:54 <sebsebseb> obgr_seneca: sounds good such a wiki page 20:08:59 <obgr_seneca> #action ask dev people in queation to join artwork ml 20:09:05 <ennael> then I guess people should contact directly also to check what is needed 20:09:07 <obgr_seneca> #undo 20:09:07 <Inigo_Montoya> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x84e79ec> 20:09:22 <obgr_seneca> yep 20:09:47 <obgr_seneca> it normaly does work in other areas, e.g. devs contacting me on i18n work 20:10:03 <ennael> yep 20:11:28 <obgr_seneca> #info dev and artwork people should get in direct contact on specific topics 20:12:48 <obgr_seneca> ok, anything else? 20:13:15 <sebsebseb> What was that the last topic? 20:13:34 <obgr_seneca> the one we're just discussing 20:13:54 <Max__> I think we may be done. 20:14:02 <sebsebseb> I have nothing to add for that topic, other than, yep do the wiki page, and try and get the relivent devs to subscribe to the artwork team mailing list as well :). 20:14:04 <obgr_seneca> ennael: ? 20:14:19 <ennael> I don't think so 20:14:21 <ennael> a planning ? 20:15:02 <obgr_seneca> I'd say, let's discuss the points we were talking about the next days 20:15:23 <obgr_seneca> and write a blog post at the beginning of next week? 20:15:28 <tumbeliina> ennael: if you need that contest pirze mail me? 20:15:38 <ennael> yep 20:15:50 <ennael> obgr_seneca: let say blog post for tuesday ? 20:15:54 <obgr_seneca> tumbeliina: pirze? too much irish coffee... 20:15:55 <ennael> 31/01 20:15:57 <obgr_seneca> ennael: yep 20:16:09 <tumbeliina> obgr_seneca: not :) 20:16:11 <obgr_seneca> we can draft one on an etherpad over the weekend? 20:16:20 <mikala> ennael: sorry i was busy with my son 20:16:20 <ennael> yep sure 20:16:27 <mikala> but yes it's possible to use specific color 20:16:31 <mikala> schems 20:16:34 <ennael> yep I got the answer :) 20:16:35 <mikala> with oxygen theme 20:16:36 <obgr_seneca> mikala: ok 20:16:37 <tumbeliina> i have done some t-shirts and i can do mpre too 20:16:52 <obgr_seneca> mpre? 20:16:53 <sebsebseb> on the subject of t shirts, am I meant to pre order 20:16:55 <sebsebseb> for FOSDEM or? 20:17:03 <ennael> we need also to make things ready for all what we want for backkrgounds 20:17:08 <ennael> outch 20:17:12 * ennael needs new fingers 20:17:22 <tumbeliina> obgr_seneca: *more 20:17:34 <obgr_seneca> ah :) 20:17:58 <obgr_seneca> Max__: can you work on that background wiki page till Sunday? 20:18:16 <mikala> did we talk about some specifics mouse theme ? 20:18:29 <ennael> nope 20:18:32 <mikala> aka coherence between at least the dm & the desktop manager ? 20:18:33 <obgr_seneca> mikala: no 20:18:35 <tumbeliina> when is FOSDEM? 20:18:40 <sebsebseb> tumbeliina: soon :) 20:18:43 <ennael> one at a time ! 20:18:44 <ennael> :) 20:18:45 <sebsebseb> tumbeliina: not this weekend, but next weekend 20:18:49 * ennael is loosing her brain 20:19:00 <ennael> (yes I have a brain) 20:19:07 <obgr_seneca> ennael: I lost mine already when working on the wiki 20:19:11 <ennael> :) 20:19:16 <obgr_seneca> life is so much easier without 20:19:21 <Max__> obgr_seneca: I probably could have it done by Sunday. 20:19:33 <obgr_seneca> Max__: would be great 20:19:47 <tumbeliina> i hate finnish winter, maybe i book trip to belgium.... 20:19:50 <ennael> mikala: about mouse theme do you have any proposal ? 20:19:58 <sebsebseb> tumbeliina: well there's still time, if you can come :) 20:20:04 <sebsebseb> to book one I mean 20:20:27 <tumbeliina> :) 20:20:28 <mikala> ennael: well we need something at least coherent if the user for an unknow reason is using gdm & then choose kde 20:21:06 <sebsebseb> tumbeliina: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Fosdem_2012 20:21:10 <mikala> wonderland seems nice 20:21:12 <mikala> for example 20:21:21 <tumbeliina> sebsebseb: thanks 20:21:38 <ennael> mikala: ok can you mail artwork ML ? 20:21:42 <obgr_seneca> please people, can we stay on topic? 20:21:47 <sebsebseb> tumbeliina: you're welcome :) 20:21:51 <sebsebseb> obgr_seneca: yep sorry 20:22:29 <ennael> #action mikala will mail about mouse theme so that we get coherency between different DEs 20:23:10 <obgr_seneca> ok, I think that's it 20:23:16 <ennael> yep 20:23:21 <ennael> no more question ? 20:23:32 <obgr_seneca> Let's meet again in this circle in a month? 20:23:39 <obgr_seneca> I will send emails about it 20:24:06 <obgr_seneca> ok? 20:24:08 <tumbeliina> :) 20:24:18 <sebsebseb> Ok well good meeting :). 20:24:19 <mikala> ok 20:24:23 <obgr_seneca> And please don't forget the discussions on the ml 20:24:30 <obgr_seneca> #endmeeting