14:20:40 <rda> #startmeeting 14:20:40 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Wed Mar 16 14:20:40 2011 UTC. The chair is rda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:20:40 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:21:01 <rda> #chair damsweb boklm maat obgr_seneca 14:21:01 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: boklm damsweb maat obgr_seneca rda 14:21:09 <rda> #topic review: wiki 14:21:21 <rda> boklm: so, do you have news? :) 14:21:25 <rda> obgr_seneca: ping 14:21:33 <obgr_seneca> pong 14:21:46 <boklm> for the wiki, I sent an email last week, about some change that I think are needed 14:21:57 <obgr_seneca> boklm: didn't get to it 14:22:06 <boklm> and I started doing the changes and imported mediawiki package on the svn 14:22:14 <rda> ha, and I didn't post my draft answer to it /o\ 14:22:22 <obgr_seneca> saw your email but had so much things on my mind 14:22:43 <maat> yup 14:22:50 <boklm> so for now there is a mediawiki package on the svn (not tested yet) 14:22:56 <boklm> and what remains to be done is : 14:23:02 <boklm> - packages for plugins 14:23:03 <rda> does it support multi-locale install? 14:23:06 <obgr_seneca> boklm: is it a standard setup? 14:23:24 <boklm> obgr_seneca: yes, standard setup 14:23:40 <boklm> rda: multi wiki install is done in the config file, so it should support it by changing the config file 14:24:22 <rda> boklm: so it does trigger creating a new database, and new tables as well? 14:24:23 <obgr_seneca> boklm: you need either multiple sourcecode installations each with a config of it's own 14:24:42 <obgr_seneca> or some kind of script like the LocalSettingsChanges.php I wrote 14:26:06 <boklm> rda: database are not created by the package, so it has to be done using something else, for instance using the script created by obgr_seneca which we can add to puppet 14:26:41 <rda> ok, and can it still source modifications from a source repository, or should every change be packaged (thinking of templates or specific code changes) 14:26:44 <rda> ? 14:27:19 <boklm> rda: for templates, we can point to an additional directory in the config 14:27:22 <obgr_seneca> rda: most template stuff is done in the configuration that is not packaged 14:27:35 <rda> ok, same for forcing a cache refresh? 14:27:51 <boklm> rda: so we can store the templates on svn, checkout the templates somewhere and point that directory in the config 14:28:02 <rda> ok, sounds good then 14:28:16 <rda> so, where are we at, then? (backlogging) 14:28:26 <boklm> however if we need to change code in mediawiki, we'll have to update package 14:28:35 <rda> ok 14:28:38 <boklm> (but it should not happen often) 14:28:44 <rda> #info boklm imported mediawiki onthe svn 14:28:51 <rda> no, I guess. mostyl at the beginning 14:28:59 <rda> boklm: do you have a pointer to the repository? 14:29:11 <rda> after that, what's left to be done? 14:29:46 <boklm> http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/mediawiki/current/ 14:29:52 <boklm> after that what's left : 14:29:54 <obgr_seneca> boklm: should I rewrite my script not being interactive like you wrote in your email? 14:30:02 <obgr_seneca> or do you? 14:30:03 <boklm> obgr_seneca: yes 14:30:24 <boklm> obgr_seneca: I will do it if you don't have time to do it 14:30:29 <obgr_seneca> ok, I'll use some variables I define on top and not use any interactive stuf 14:30:34 <boklm> ok 14:30:45 <boklm> so what's left : 14:30:52 <rda> #link http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/mediawiki/current/ 14:30:59 <boklm> - package mediawiki plugins 14:31:15 <rda> #action rewrite config script to be non-interactive 14:31:15 <boklm> - update database script to be not interactive 14:31:25 <rda> #action package mediawiki plugins 14:31:40 <boklm> - setup mediawiki and config files in puppet 14:31:50 <rda> #action setup mediawiki, config files in puppet 14:31:57 <boklm> and create a theme 14:32:01 <rda> is the ldap auth tested/working or not yet? 14:32:05 <rda> #action design a theme 14:32:23 <obgr_seneca> rda: I haven't done it not knowing much about ldap 14:32:26 <rda> well, the theme will come later as it should match mageia theme (that's still under ... thinking at best) 14:32:30 <rda> obgr_seneca: ok 14:32:44 <boklm> rda: I saw some discussions with buchan about ldap, but I didn't test yet 14:32:46 <rda> #action test/ensure ldap auth works as expected (and define roles to be used by mediawiki) 14:33:26 <rda> ok. can we have an estimate for each action? like, config/plugins/puppet by next week? or too optimistic? 14:33:54 <boklm> I think it should be possible by next week 14:37:00 <rda> ok, cool 14:37:14 <rda> then we could consider having a wiki to test drive in two weeks 14:37:26 <rda> #info packaging/setup/puppet config could be ready next week 14:37:29 <boklm> I think yes 14:37:35 <rda> that would be excellent 14:37:47 <rda> #info expected test-drive wiki on week 13 14:37:55 <rda> next topic? 14:38:08 <rda> #topic review: maintdb 14:38:36 <rda> kosmas and me did some progress on the app (cleaning stuff out, updating the UI, following the spec better) 14:39:03 <rda> it's not yet ready (we still need to have the build system capable of posting a (package,maintainer) tuple to the maintdb 14:39:07 <rda> but it looks really near 14:39:24 <rda> #info not ready yet, good progress since past week 14:39:33 <rda> #info expected test-drive on week 12 14:39:51 <rda> #topic forum 14:40:03 <rda> maat: your turn! :) (and boklm, if you have some info as well?) 14:43:11 <rda> maat: O-nid: ping pong 14:43:19 <boklm> so forums are now online 14:43:21 <maat> ha 14:43:26 <maat> yup 14:43:36 <rda> http://forums.mageia.org/en and http://forums.mageia.org/ not working 14:43:44 <maat> forums are online https://forums.mageia.org/en 14:43:49 <rda> neither in https 14:44:02 <maat> Categories and forums created 14:44:09 <maat> http forwards to https 14:44:23 <rda> ha, sorry, wrong /etc/hosts (old) 14:44:30 <boklm> rda: ah, missing / at the end (we probably have to add a redirect) 14:44:55 <boklm> https://forums.mageia.org/en/ is working but not https://forums.mageia.org/en 14:45:31 <maat> users are pushed to identity when they want to register (thanks boklm to push the idea... it was less complex than i thought) 14:45:33 <rda> ok 14:45:35 <obgr_seneca> only /en or other languages as well? 14:45:47 <maat> obgr_seneca: atm only /en 14:45:52 <obgr_seneca> ok 14:45:53 <rda> #info forums online at http://forums.mageia.org/ 14:46:01 <rda> is there any plan to open /fr and other languages? 14:46:03 <maat> but the structure is thought to host others 14:46:03 <boklm> (it think it was idea coincoin who pushed the idea) 14:46:07 <coincoin> yep :p 14:46:12 <maat> heu 14:46:18 <maat> oup's you're right 14:46:18 <rda> or to redirect /{locale} to an external site? 14:46:29 * maat apologises to coincoin 14:47:12 <maat> main user groups are created 14:47:54 <boklm> I think it was planned to use MLO forums for french forums 14:47:56 <maat> but we must wait that people log in once to be able to put them in groups 14:47:59 <rda> ok, cool 14:48:08 <rda> #info forums accounts are tied to identity accounts 14:48:40 <rda> boklm: then /fr should redirect to mlo forums (and we have an inconsistency regard accounts, but that's another thing) 14:48:57 <boklm> rda: yes 14:49:03 <rda> we should use http://forum.mageia.org/{locale} as a canonical url for all forums, and redirect when appropriate 14:49:08 <rda> +s 14:49:14 <rda> (or without) 14:49:26 <rda> who's going to moderate it? 14:50:41 <maat> there are 6 or 7 global moderators 14:51:08 <maat> i think some people will get partial moderation rights on sub forums 14:51:23 <maat> like support team 14:51:32 <rda> maat: but who are they? (are they listed on the wiki page, or have a specific group in ldap already?) 14:51:42 <rda> maat: yep, sounds sensible, but should be documented 14:51:57 <maat> yup 14:52:15 <maat> atm the list not public yet 14:52:41 <maat> i can give it if you want 14:53:23 <rda> should be public asap. I can put it on the wiki if you like, I'm going to organize the page. 14:53:35 <maat> yup 14:53:49 <rda> maat: so, many, many, many thanks for setting this up! :) 14:53:56 <maat> i think i pushed it to sysadmins 14:53:57 <rda> we do have a forum now \o/ 14:53:59 <boklm> how is the moderators list managed ? 14:54:13 <boklm> is it in phpbb database, or in ldap ? 14:54:18 <maat> phpbb 14:54:19 <rda> boklm: I'm putting the list of forums to redirect to on http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=forums 14:54:24 <boklm> rda: ok 14:54:56 <maat> putting it in ldap would require a really intrusive patch in phpbb users/groups management classes 14:55:00 <boklm> ok 14:55:11 <maat> i think in due end it will be unavoidable 14:55:37 <maat> but for the while we are going to use phpbb offered features :) 14:55:39 <rda> we'll see 14:55:45 <rda> :) 14:55:46 <rda> cool 14:56:10 <rda> maat: boklm: misc: thanks a lot for putting this in motion, evenwith the frictions! :) 14:56:23 <rda> #link http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=forums forum wiki page 14:56:25 <maat> you're welcome :) 14:58:08 <rda> maat: should we use a dedicated irc channel for the forums team or web channel? 14:58:10 <rda> or other? 14:58:19 <rda> I mean, for forum admins/moderators 14:58:28 <maat> well 14:58:44 <maat> i don't think moderators will use a lot irc 14:58:52 <rda> mailing-list then? 14:58:59 <maat> i'll bet on mailing list 14:59:03 <rda> ok 14:59:17 <maat> (already created) 14:59:22 <rda> and who in the list would like to drive the forums team? 14:59:25 <rda> ho? where? 14:59:27 <obgr_seneca> wouldn't an internal area in the forum be perfect for the forum moderators? 14:59:50 <maat> the is one also 14:59:56 <rda> are both public?; 15:00:12 <maat> but for notifications, alerts and things like that the mail is better 15:00:19 <maat> nope 15:00:21 <obgr_seneca> ok 15:00:24 <rda> :-/ 15:00:35 <rda> maat: the list is not @mageia? 15:00:40 <maat> it is 15:00:49 <maat> i think 15:00:54 <maat> well 15:01:00 <maat> perhaps still zarb ? 15:01:17 <rda> doesn't show up on ml.mageia.org or mageia.org/mailman (or I need new eyes) 15:01:28 <obgr_seneca> Is it "@mageia" or "@ml.mageia"? 15:01:52 <rda> or the list isn't public? 15:02:13 <rda> (it should at least have one list public for most communication there) 15:02:19 <maat> it is @mageia 15:02:32 <maat> well 15:02:59 <maat> i dont understand de need of a public ml for moderators 15:03:32 <maat> for public things about forum... we have the forum 15:04:08 <rda> well, it just is crucial that the team activity is public and that it does not look hidden/restrained in any way. 15:04:22 <rda> so that it happens through the forum or the list, I don't know, but it's important to have public archives. 15:04:35 <rda> (and made clear where to go to get access to these) 15:04:39 <obgr_seneca> rda: but there are things when moderating a forum, you have to discuss in private 15:04:39 <maat> for private dealing of legal threats, calls to moderators and so on we can not publish thoses 15:04:56 <rda> for these, there can be a private channel, yes 15:05:17 <rda> but that does not remove the importance of showing public activity somewhere (and meeting summaries, if ever) 15:05:32 <maat> if we publish alerts like "you bastards make this son of a bitch shut the fuck up" people will want to kill each other 15:05:36 <rda> that's why the moderators list should be quickly public on the forums wiki page, and kept up to date 15:05:43 <rda> maat: :) 15:05:50 * rda agreed 15:06:08 <rda> ok, cool. 15:06:14 <rda> what would be next steps for the forum now? 15:06:17 <maat> meeting summaries okay 15:06:35 <boklm> do we need to create forums in other languages ? 15:06:39 <maat> and periodic reports of activities and decisions ok too :) 15:06:53 <rda> boklm: ah yes, we need too to write the process to ask for a new locale forum 15:06:58 <rda> maat: cool :) 15:07:13 <rda> a new language-forum should be created if there are enough people to manage it (moderator, admin) 15:07:24 <rda> and those can work within the global forums team 15:07:36 <rda> that coordinates all 15:07:40 <maat> yup 15:09:17 <maat> we'll have later to adapt templates to match mageia graphical chart 15:09:42 <rda> yes 15:09:51 <rda> which chart has to be designed first (same again) :-p 15:09:52 <maat> and add nice features... linking bugs<->forums, mailings<->forums 15:10:09 <rda> ouch. :) let's see if we can write down the use cases but why not. 15:10:14 <maat> add tagging to ease searching (semantic ?) 15:10:18 <rda> ah, yes, and an idea section (voting up/down for ideas) 15:10:34 <maat> that can be done easily :) 15:10:41 <rda> cool 15:10:47 <rda> ok, next topic then 15:10:52 <rda> #topic website(s) direction doc 15:10:56 <rda> has anyone read my doc? 15:10:57 <rda> :-p 15:11:00 <Stormi> I 15:11:07 <Stormi> sorry I forgot our meeting ! 15:11:49 <obgr_seneca> rda: not yet, sorry 15:12:11 <rda> ok. anyone ? :) 15:12:32 * coincoin raise his hand 15:12:51 <rda> coincoin: good boy 15:13:07 <rda> anyone else? :-p 15:14:42 <rda> ok, let's postpone this, then. 15:14:47 <rda> #undo 15:14:47 <Inigo_Montoya`> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x82a4a4c> 15:14:52 <rda> any other topic to discuss? 15:15:34 <Stormi> you probably already saw that mageia-app-db has an updated roadmap and a new ML 15:15:42 <rda> #topic mageia-app-db 15:15:53 <rda> ha, good point. Stormi could you remind us? 15:15:55 <rda> #chair Stormi 15:15:55 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: Stormi boklm damsweb maat obgr_seneca rda 15:16:04 <rda> (links, info) 15:16:39 <Stormi> #info updated roadmap for mageia-app-db : http://mageia-app-db.tuxette.fr/projects/mageia-app-db/roadmap 15:17:11 <Stormi> #info mailing list for mageia-app-db : https://listes.lautre.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/madb 15:17:47 <Stormi> #info next milestone is version 0.2 due on 2011-03-31, which features automated synchronization to sophie 15:18:18 <Stormi> do you have questions ? :) 15:18:25 <rda> ouch, huge 0.2 milestone :) 15:18:44 <Stormi> the next milestone always appears bigger because tickets are more detailed 15:18:58 <rda> oh ok 15:19:07 <rda> Stormi: how many are you on it? 15:19:19 <Stormi> ttp and I are the main developers 15:19:44 <Stormi> and we get help from time to time from other people 15:20:01 <rda> ok, cool. 15:20:13 <Stormi> but you know well how it's hard to make people pass from "I want to help" to have them really doing things regularly :) 15:21:01 <rda> oh yes :) 15:21:14 <rda> ok, fine. 15:21:14 <Stormi> the mailing list may help, we will see 15:21:32 <Stormi> the plan is : 15:21:34 <rda> hopefully, yes. we can make the list of various projects from the web team page more obvious. 15:21:39 <Stormi> have a working version deployed for mageia 1 15:21:50 <Stormi> maybe not full-featured, but usable 15:22:11 <Stormi> and I would like to deploy it even earlier to have it used on cauldron if deemed useful 15:22:41 <Stormi> I must see with the sysadm team what's possible 15:23:14 <Stormi> I'm done :) 15:23:31 <rda> ok cool. 15:23:33 <rda> any other thing? 15:23:47 <coincoin> I think we should see with i18n how to manage www/blogs translations (as for example, es/pl/tr/..., are often missing or arrive very late) 15:25:05 <rda> #topic translations 15:25:24 <rda> #info see with i18n how to manage www and blog translations (tools, process, team motivation) 15:25:43 <rda> ok 15:26:12 <rda> thanks everyone for coming and for your reports and your work! 15:26:17 <coincoin> \o/ 15:26:33 <rda> let's keep on and aim for a great whole website for beta1 15:26:37 <rda> #endmeeting