20:06:35 <boklm> #startmeeting 20:06:35 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Mar 15 20:06:35 2012 UTC. The chair is boklm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:06:35 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:07:00 <boklm> #chair pterjan coincoin tmb 20:07:00 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: boklm coincoin pterjan tmb 20:07:34 <boklm> #topic rabbit end of sponsoring 20:08:19 <boklm> so first topic is about rabbit which will not be sponsored soon 20:08:31 <boklm> misc sent an email about this 20:08:37 <boklm> #url http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2012-February/004197.html 20:09:06 <boklm> this server is currently used to create ISOs 20:09:36 <boklm> and we need to decide what server we can use instead 20:10:02 <coincoin> I didn't answered in the mail but I'm wondering: "why buying a new server and not use succuk as it's SAS and full of RAM?" 20:10:03 <pterjan> there were several ideas in the thread (asking ovh, asking for hosting) 20:10:17 <coincoin> s/buying/looking for� 20:10:22 <pterjan> yes we can also use sucuk but we need to set it up properly 20:10:37 <coincoin> yes, but perhaps rabbit can be a VM on sucuk 20:10:39 <pterjan> so that isos don't get slowed down by people building kernels 20:10:41 <boklm> so one option is to use a VM on sucuk 20:10:56 <boklm> and at the same time we can look for other servers 20:11:31 <boklm> anyone wants to contact OVH for this ? 20:11:49 <pterjan> I can try 20:12:01 <boklm> ok 20:12:04 <coincoin> I'm a OVH customer for 12 years, so, if you want... 20:12:07 <coincoin> pterjan: ok 20:12:24 <boklm> pterjan or coincoin ? 20:12:25 <pterjan> ah I am not a customer except for 2 domains :) 20:12:32 <pterjan> maybe better if tou ask 20:12:42 <pterjan> you 20:12:58 <boklm> #todo coincoin try to see with OVH if sponsoring of a server is possible 20:12:59 <coincoin> ok, I will 20:13:10 <boklm> oops 20:13:14 <boklm> #action coincoin try to see with OVH if sponsoring of a server is possible 20:13:27 <boklm> anything else to say on this topic ? 20:13:41 <coincoin> not for me 20:13:51 <pterjan> not for me 20:13:54 <coincoin> we just need to end rabbit before having to pay! 20:14:10 <boklm> yes 20:14:31 <pterjan> did we get an ETA? 20:14:39 <boklm> no precise ETA 20:15:02 <boklm> rapsys is no longer working at free 20:15:06 <coincoin> so perhaps we can define a deadline now to migrate rabbit on sucuk 20:15:18 <boklm> and I think it was free for one year 20:15:19 <coincoin> and close the dedibox ASAP 20:15:26 <boklm> yes 20:15:55 <pterjan> did anyone try to get sponsoring from free by other contacts? 20:16:05 <boklm> I don't think we tried 20:16:14 <pterjan> I can try 20:16:18 <boklm> ok 20:16:29 <boklm> #action pterjan try to see with free if sponsoring is possible 20:16:51 <boklm> anyone wants to create the VM for ISOs on sucuk ? 20:16:54 <coincoin> but just FYI, a VM on sucuk will be stronger and faster than a dedibox < 150 �/month 20:17:19 <pterjan> coincoin: but it will use part of the ram which would be useful for other 20:17:38 <pterjan> even when not building isos 20:17:38 <boklm> #action create VM on sucuk to build isos and stop rabbit 20:17:44 <coincoin> pterjan: yes but 32GB so we can use a few RAM for this I think no? but you're right 20:18:01 <boklm> we can stop the VM when there is no ISO to build 20:18:13 <coincoin> s/when/while/ ? :) 20:18:29 <boklm> next topic ? 20:18:35 <pterjan> yes 20:18:37 <boklm> #topic backups 20:19:06 <boklm> so now we have a server to do backups 20:19:13 <boklm> #url http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2012-February/004230.html 20:19:32 <boklm> and we need to select the tool we use for the backups, and start doing the backups 20:20:17 <boklm> proposals are rsnapshot, bup, and bacula 20:20:33 <coincoin> bacula, the mga release is very old... 20:20:34 <pterjan> I have ne experience with any of them, so no opinion 20:20:35 <boklm> bup is still experimental, so it's probably not a good idea for now 20:20:50 <boklm> I know rsnapshot is working well and easy to use 20:20:58 <boklm> and I don't know bacula 20:21:16 <coincoin> I think something "light" will be better as fiona is not very powerfull (rsnapshot seems better to me) 20:21:51 <boklm> I think rsnapshot is good 20:22:22 <boklm> anyone wants to setup backups ? I can do it, unless someone else wants to do it 20:23:06 <coincoin> I don't know rsnapshot but I can work on this with you if needed to learn :) 20:23:20 <boklm> ok 20:23:33 <boklm> #action boklm and coincoin setup backups using rsnapshot 20:23:57 <boklm> #topic ARM build system 20:24:16 <boklm> so now we have two ARM nodes 20:24:31 <pterjan> so we can have chocolate 20:24:37 <coincoin> :) 20:24:37 <boklm> :) 20:24:48 <boklm> that can be used for the build system 20:25:48 <boklm> but it will be slower than other archs, so maybe some changes are needed in build system so that other archs don't need to wait for ARM 20:25:50 <pterjan> iurt used to have non mandatory arch mode 20:26:00 <boklm> ah 20:26:00 <pterjan> probably broken for years 20:26:10 <boklm> so we need to look at this 20:26:11 <coincoin> perhaps we can have a "only weekly" build? :/ 20:26:13 <pterjan> I can try to make it work 20:26:17 <boklm> ok 20:26:27 <tmb> and we should sync arm stuff from rtp mirror 20:26:35 <boklm> #action pterjan look at iurt non mandatory arch mode for ARM 20:26:43 <boklm> yes 20:27:15 <coincoin> tmb: I think that the idea is to remove rtp mirror ASAP to host everything on our BS/repo. no? 20:27:27 <boklm> yes, that would be the idea I think 20:28:03 <pterjan> we need to do it :) 20:28:17 <coincoin> we need not to depend on rtp anymore! \o/ 20:28:18 <pterjan> at least sync it once to have something to test 20:28:38 <pterjan> as I guess he will update it until things are ready 20:28:49 <boklm> yes 20:28:50 <tmb> yeah, we need to ask rtp to open rsync for us :) 20:29:00 <coincoin> tmb: :) 20:29:22 <boklm> #action boklm ask rtp to open rsync access to his server 20:29:38 <tmb> then U* will be happy finding arm stuff on mageia mirrors ... 20:29:52 <coincoin> not funny! :� 20:30:00 <boklm> :) 20:30:20 * ennael likes sysadmin meetings :) 20:31:05 <boklm> anything else on this topic ? 20:31:08 <coincoin> yep 20:31:19 <coincoin> rtp needs access to arm1 and arm2 20:31:41 <boklm> to do manual rebuilds before build system is ready ? 20:31:41 <coincoin> for now, arm1 and arm2 are just screwed on the wood! :) 20:31:46 <boklm> ah ok 20:32:00 <tmb> so 2 arms(and 2 legs and...) 20:32:09 <boklm> :) 20:32:14 <coincoin> tmb: ---> [ ] 20:32:23 <ennael> :) 20:32:31 <pterjan> well we only need one for bs first anyway 20:32:35 <boklm> arm boards are behind other servers (one behind valstar, one behind jonund I think) 20:32:38 <pterjan> to make it work 20:32:51 <boklm> so we need to redirect some ports to allow access to rtp 20:33:00 <coincoin> boklm: right 20:33:05 <boklm> I can look at this 20:33:13 * pterjan wants to be allowed access to rtp 20:33:22 <boklm> :) 20:33:26 <coincoin> :) 20:33:34 <boklm> #action boklm see how to give access to ARM boards to rtp 20:33:43 <boklm> anything else on this topic ? 20:34:11 <coincoin> I don't think so but without rtp, hard to know 20:34:15 <pterjan> I'm also interested to know how to access them :) 20:34:27 <pterjan> ssh arm1 from valstar ? 20:34:40 <coincoin> pterjan: for now, you can buy sshing on valstar ;) (I can sell you the IP of ARM1) 20:34:46 <pterjan> ok 20:34:54 <boklm> yes 20:34:54 <pterjan> that's all I need 20:35:01 <coincoin> rtp@10. IIRC 20:35:19 <pterjan> we can see later 20:35:23 <boklm> ok 20:35:24 <pterjan> next topic! 20:35:36 <boklm> #topic backports setup 20:36:09 <coincoin> backports \o/ 20:36:17 <boklm> so to be able to open backports we have one problem to solve: markrelease 20:36:22 <pterjan> why ? 20:36:30 <pterjan> do we need it if it is a backport ? 20:36:34 <boklm> youri doesn't know which URL was used to submit the package 20:36:41 <boklm> so it doesn't know where to do the markrelease 20:36:59 <pterjan> if we submit only from cauldron releases ? 20:37:11 <pterjan> (not current) 20:37:40 <tmb> well markrelease should be fixed for updates too 20:37:50 <pterjan> yes 20:37:53 <boklm> yes 20:37:55 <coincoin> yes 20:38:00 <boklm> I'm not sure for backports 20:39:07 <boklm> so maybe we could start opening backports, without markrelease 20:39:18 <tmb> well, it would be needed for backports if one wants to branch a specific version for backports 20:40:34 <pterjan> hmm I imagine backports are pure backports of packages 20:40:44 <pterjan> without any change 20:41:08 <tmb> but opening backports would be nice, yes... hmm, did we ever finish qa rules for backports 20:41:40 <boklm> we need to check qa rules yes, maybe in next packagers meeting ? 20:41:42 <coincoin> I think this part will need a big review... 20:42:31 <coincoin> boklm: carefull when we will talk about backport/open it, not to see people working on backports and not on bug fix for cauldron/2... 20:42:47 <boklm> hmm yes, so maybe for after mageia 2 20:42:55 <tmb> maybe we should open it when we release mga2 20:42:58 <coincoin> I think it will be better 20:43:02 <pterjan> yes makes sense 20:43:12 <boklm> for fixing markrelease, /usr/share/mgarepo/create-srpm can now store the infos about the submit in a database, in latest version of mgarepo 20:43:23 <boklm> I need to setup this version on valstar 20:43:43 <boklm> then youri markrelease action needs to be changed to access this info 20:44:31 <boklm> anything else on this topic ? 20:44:52 <coincoin> yes, please submit my pidgin package on cauldron :� 20:44:59 <coincoin> to avoid backport ^^ 20:45:05 <boklm> :) 20:45:40 <boklm> #topic management of infra_1 20:45:52 <boklm> pterjan: I think you wanted to talk about this 20:46:04 <pterjan> so, for infra_1 it's fine for stuff like iurt, youri etc 20:46:12 <pterjan> but we also have some backports 20:46:30 <pterjan> and as far as I know no one is checking if they need to be updated/have security update 20:46:42 <pterjan> we don't have a list of packages 20:46:53 <boklm> yes 20:47:10 <pterjan> I think whoever adds a package should follow it 20:47:35 <pterjan> or maybe we can list a maintainer on the wiki 20:47:58 <boklm> I don't know if people will remember to look at this list 20:48:17 <coincoin> perhaps we can add "auto spam"! 20:48:32 <coincoin> mail are a good solution I think 20:48:33 <pterjan> well it's more about havaing someone designated 20:48:40 <pterjan> coincoin: in which case ? 20:48:48 <pterjan> when the package is updated in cauldron ? 20:49:02 <boklm> maybe a script can send an email when a package in infra_1 is updated in stable release ? 20:49:12 <coincoin> yep 20:49:17 <pterjan> the problem is that they are backports 20:49:29 <pterjan> some don't exist in 1 20:49:51 <pterjan> (that's the point) 20:49:51 <boklm> or updated in any stable release 20:50:26 <pterjan> maybe we can send commits of packages in that repo to the ML 20:50:59 <boklm> to the sysadmin-reports ml ? 20:51:33 <boklm> I think it can be nice 20:52:42 <boklm> we also need to update svn hook scripts to be able to receive commits on some packages 20:53:07 <boklm> (to allow maintainers of packages to receive commits by other people on their packages) 20:53:55 <coincoin> you think about f*u*d*? :) 20:54:15 <boklm> not only :) 20:54:31 <tmb> and we need to filter stuff going to commits ml 20:54:42 <boklm> like markrelease commits ? 20:54:59 <pterjan> can people write some "spec" of what is needed? 20:55:17 <boklm> yes, it can be useful 20:55:20 <pterjan> to see what it depends on (maintdb? ldap? repo?) 20:55:23 <tmb> yep, an preferably add svn path to message subject so one can filter on package like on mdv lists 20:55:27 <CIA-5> guillomovitch * r3530 soft/rpm/urpmi/trunk/urpmi.bash-completion: force rpm completion functions loading before calling them (fix #4937) 20:55:59 * boklm can do it, after next week 20:56:20 <boklm> (writting some specs) 20:57:16 <pterjan> ok 20:57:19 <boklm> #action boklm write some specs about what needs to be done on svn commit hooks 20:57:49 <boklm> #action send commits on packages present in infra_1 to sysadmin-reports ml 20:58:11 <boklm> anything else to say on this topic ? 20:58:37 <coincoin> no 20:59:13 <boklm> #topic other build system improvements 20:59:37 <boklm> does anyone have anything else to say about build system ? 21:00:27 <pterjan> I am in the process of improving logging 21:00:32 <pterjan> (for ulri and emi) 21:00:40 <boklm> ok 21:00:48 <boklm> which improvements ? 21:00:58 <pterjan> using a log file instead of stderr 21:01:12 <tmb> I guess we need to get a better host to replace ecosse at some point... 21:01:13 <boklm> ah ok, so it's not in cron emails ? 21:01:20 <pterjan> yes 21:01:29 <boklm> tmb: because of SATA errors ? 21:01:49 <coincoin> tmb: I will send an email about SATA errors next week... "amazing" 21:02:02 <boklm> #info pterjan improving logging in urli and emi 21:02:31 <boklm> #info ecosse needs to be replaced at some point 21:02:32 <tmb> boklm: you know all the problems you had installing on it, and it is slow on accessing ssd too, so I guess mb/chipset is broken. 21:02:49 <boklm> yes, there was some strange problems 21:03:04 <coincoin> tmb: ssh on fiona is long too 21:03:26 <pterjan> coincoin: ssh -4 ? 21:03:31 <coincoin> I think it's "all machines plugged on zarb switch" (no more left place on Mageia switch) 21:04:04 <coincoin> tmb: the idea will be to replace ecosse (2U) with a 1U to earn place in the bay 21:04:04 <pterjan> but he was talking about ssd not ssh :) 21:04:16 <coincoin> pterjan: oops... :) 21:04:17 <coincoin> sorry 21:04:20 <boklm> I think we forgot topic about sucuk 21:04:55 <coincoin> on BS, can we try to have the mail of the packager/maint in the changelog/rpm info? 21:05:13 <pterjan> we have the email without @mageia.org 21:05:36 <pterjan> a.k.a. the username 21:05:48 <coincoin> yes but a lot of ppl are not aware that it's the mail... 21:06:01 <pterjan> that was a choice to limit spam 21:06:16 <coincoin> k 21:06:25 <pterjan> (while still having working email when sent from the bs :) ) 21:06:25 <boklm> we can maybe add the name 21:06:32 <pterjan> yes we can 21:06:36 <boklm> currently it's only the login 21:06:47 <coincoin> other point, not for BS really but for infra, is it plan to upgrade xymon? our release is 3 years old! 21:06:49 <pterjan> like Foo Bar <foobar> instead of foobar <foobar> 21:07:00 <pterjan> just do it 21:07:07 <coincoin> I tried... not good enough :/ 21:07:39 <boklm> #action add name (with login) in rpm changelog 21:08:09 <boklm> coincoin: we can see with blingme_ 21:08:40 <coincoin> boklm: yes, I think it will be good... who asks him? me? you? :) 21:08:55 <boklm> coincoin: you can 21:09:03 <coincoin> k 21:09:19 <boklm> #action coincoin see with blingme_ for updating xymon package 21:09:24 <coincoin> #action dams have to contact blingme to upgrade xymon client 21:09:28 <coincoin> #undo 21:09:28 <Inigo_Montoya> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x844abac> 21:09:37 <coincoin> :) 21:09:42 <boklm> anything else on this topic ? 21:10:20 <boklm> #topic sucuk server and VMs 21:10:31 <boklm> so we have a new server, sucuk 21:10:46 <boklm> where we can host VMs 21:11:01 <boklm> for packagers, QA, ISOs build 21:11:19 <pterjan> what about using some containers rather than vms ? 21:11:29 <coincoin> add distro rebuild (asked by rtp) 21:11:32 <boklm> is it safe ? 21:12:08 <pterjan> I hope :) 21:12:11 <boklm> we can use VMs, or containers 21:12:37 <pterjan> http://lxc.sourceforge.net/ 21:12:58 <boklm> I think we need some tools to allow people to create/start/stop/remove new VM/containers based on cauldron or stable releases 21:13:37 <coincoin> yep and to be sure ppl won't use sucuk for other things that MGA related 21:13:56 <boklm> maybe we can create some scripts based on libvirt to do that 21:14:59 <Luigi12_lappy> sorry to go back to the last topic, but I just got here. I know some additional checks were added between package build and upload, and if one of these fail the package is rejected. Is one of these checks to make sure the new package is installable? If not, it would be a good check to add. 21:16:07 <pterjan> I don't think we added any recently 21:16:08 <pterjan> I think we decided in the beginning to not test that to make bootstraping easier 21:16:14 <pterjan> we can probably do it now 21:16:42 <Luigi12_lappy> well there's a new check at least checking validity of .desktop files that I've noticed 21:16:49 <pterjan> it is not new 21:16:59 <Luigi12_lappy> but at the very least, if the package is needed for all build system chroots, it should at least check that those are installable 21:17:11 <Luigi12_lappy> maybe the check would be too problematic for other packages, not sure 21:17:13 <pterjan> but desktop-files-utils became more strict 21:17:20 <tmb> and I think we should stop allowing to push packages that does not have all deps satisfied 21:17:33 <pterjan> <pterjan> I think we decided in the beginning to not test that to make bootstraping easier 21:17:33 <pterjan> <pterjan> we can probably do it now 21:17:35 <Luigi12_lappy> yeah, that's what I mean mainly tmb 21:17:36 <pterjan> :) 21:17:56 <Luigi12_lappy> it would prevent a new package from breaking the build system :o) 21:18:10 <pterjan> not totally 21:18:34 <pterjan> it can make other packages not installable :) 21:18:37 <Luigi12_lappy> well at least in terms of making it so that all chroots can't be created isn't a problem 21:18:49 <tmb> btw, wonder if some of the checks could be run on submission and not after package is built . 21:19:02 <pterjan> tmb: there are a few 21:19:04 <Luigi12_lappy> for dep checks you have to wait until package is built 21:19:09 <pterjan> like some buildrequires 21:19:09 <tmb> to avoid useless builds that end up in Wrong group 21:19:14 <pterjan> or the version freeze 21:19:29 <pterjan> tmb: the group of src is probably tested 21:20:01 <tmb> yeah, I wonder if we can check spec too ? 21:20:01 <pterjan> rpmlint would need to be extended to test binary package tags from the src 21:20:46 <pterjan> in theory yes :) 21:21:45 <boklm> next topic ? 21:23:43 <boklm> #topic council representative elections 21:24:12 <boklm> so we need to have some election for council representative and deputy 21:24:36 <boklm> first we will need to know who is candidate, then we can do a poll using epoll 21:24:39 <coincoin> boklm: we were talking about sucuk before Luigi12_lappy came. was it finished? 21:25:22 <boklm> coincoin: I don't know, I think we can finish this topic first 21:25:34 <pterjan> we did not list action :( 21:26:19 <boklm> so for elections, I can send an email to ask for candidates, then we can do elections one week later 21:26:39 <pterjan> ok 21:26:42 <coincoin> seems good 21:26:49 <tmb> yep 21:26:54 <boklm> #action boklm send an email on mailing list to ask for candidates 21:27:04 <boklm> anything else about elections ? 21:27:20 <coincoin> not for me 21:27:21 <pterjan> are there laws about financing? 21:27:30 <boklm> pterjan: financing ? 21:27:33 <coincoin> pterjan: what do you mean? 21:27:35 <pterjan> the campaign 21:27:38 <boklm> :) 21:27:38 <coincoin> :) 21:28:04 <boklm> #topic sucuk server and VMs 21:28:50 <pterjan> I think we need to list the needs 21:28:58 <boklm> write some specs ? 21:29:02 <pterjan> building isos / having a vm for tests or manual builds 21:29:15 <pterjan> maybe asking on -dev what people want ? 21:29:22 <boklm> yes 21:29:31 <coincoin> I want french fries! 21:29:33 <pterjan> people probably will want to run iurt and access the chroot 21:29:34 <tmb> well, buildig isos need a lot of disk space, especially for autobuilder 21:29:58 <coincoin> tmb: sucuk is 600Mo for HDD 21:30:09 <coincoin> perhaps we can rsync tree on demand only 21:30:29 <pterjan> 600MB ? 21:30:35 <boklm> do we need to rsync the tree ? 21:30:45 <pterjan> no 21:30:54 <coincoin> G :) 21:31:06 <coincoin> boklm: I was talking of a tree for making ISOs 21:32:23 <tmb> coincoin: well, the livecd builder eats ~4GB / iso / region / arch so it grows fast :) 21:32:52 <tmb> (but yes, I guess we can limit copies it stores) 21:32:53 <pterjan> tmb: do we keep the build tree or build them in parallel ? 21:33:11 <tmb> we keep the build tree 21:33:30 <pterjan> ok 21:33:31 <boklm> 387G is currently used on rabbit, but maybe some cleaning can be done 21:33:36 <tmb> meaning one build tree / iso 21:34:09 <tmb> currently iso builder is set to keep 2 weeks of isos 21:34:33 <tmb> but that can probably be shortened... 21:35:14 <tmb> but during /alpha/beta/rc/final builds I usually keep several versions 21:35:53 <tmb> one other thing... rabbit is currently torrent server (and was planned for tracker too) 21:36:09 <boklm> ah yes 21:36:18 <coincoin> can't we use alamut as a torrent server? 21:37:15 <tmb> depends on if it has enough disk space... 21:38:00 <boklm> so we need to see quickly if we can get other servers sponsored :) 21:38:04 <tmb> since it will carry all supported stable releases + cauldron 21:38:54 <pterjan> Alloc PE / Size 46973 / 183.49 GiB 21:38:54 <pterjan> Free PE / Size 187893 / 733.96 GiB 21:38:56 <pterjan> on alamut 21:39:26 <boklm> so we have some space 21:39:50 <coincoin> and it's RAID 10 on alamut, so perhaps we can upgrade disk space if needed next year 21:40:39 <tmb> yep. so we should cope for now... 21:41:48 <boklm> so anyone wants to list the needs / ask on -dev what people want ? 21:42:19 <coincoin> it was pterjan idea :� 21:42:25 * pterjan already has actions and will not have any time before next week 21:42:29 <pterjan> but yes I can do it 21:42:45 <boklm> there was some discussion about this in this meeting: http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2012/mageia-dev.2012-02-15-20.13.html 21:42:58 <coincoin> pterjan: carefull to make them understand that "asking won't mean having!" :) 21:43:17 <boklm> #action pterjan list the needs / ask on -dev what people want for sucuk 21:43:58 <boklm> anything else to say about sucuk ? 21:44:18 <tmb> nope 21:44:21 <coincoin> not for me 21:44:34 <pterjan> no 21:44:44 <boklm> #topic mailing lists migration 21:45:17 <boklm> so we started thinking about mailing list migration when zarb server was offline 21:45:29 <boklm> there is a wiki page to list what needs to be done: 21:45:32 <boklm> #url https://wiki.mageia.org/en/ML_Migration 21:46:30 <boklm> now we only need to select a date, and do it 21:47:17 <boklm> any comments about this ? 21:47:24 <coincoin> easy like this? :� 21:48:08 <boklm> I don't know if we should do it now, or maybe wait after mageia 2 release 21:51:18 <tmb> I'd say after mageia 2 release as we chould focus on that right now... 21:51:34 <boklm> ok 21:51:51 <boklm> to avoid adding problems while we are preparing release 21:52:31 <coincoin> and be sure to have a whole backup before starting migration :) 21:52:37 <boklm> #action migrate all mailing lists after mageia 2 release, to focus on mageia 2 for now 21:53:12 <boklm> coincoin: yes, we need to store the lists archives on alamut 21:53:48 <tmb> yep, not to mention we already have some stuff planned already during this meeting... 21:53:59 <boklm> ok 21:54:07 <boklm> next topic ? 21:54:18 <boklm> (last topic) 21:54:22 <coincoin> yep 21:54:31 <boklm> #topic madb installation 21:54:47 <boklm> hmm, stormy is not here 21:55:00 <boklm> so I think we will need to discuss this later 21:55:11 <coincoin> :) 21:55:30 <boklm> so we can close meeting ? 21:55:41 <coincoin> yes, time to eat! 21:55:43 <tmb> yep 21:55:47 <boklm> ok :) 21:55:50 <boklm> thanks for attending 21:55:58 <boklm> #closemeeting 21:56:07 <ennael> end 21:56:07 <tmb> time to sleep 21:56:09 <boklm> #endmeeting