19:03:06 <wilcal> #startmeeting 19:03:06 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Sep 23 19:03:06 2021 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:03:06 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:03:23 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 19:03:31 <wilcal> Anyone new here today? 19:04:32 <wilcal> NOpe 19:04:39 <wilcal> welll lets get right into it 19:04:41 <wilcal> #topic Login screen freeze 19:04:53 <wilcal> Can anyone explain what this is 19:04:59 <wilcal> I can't duplicate it 19:05:58 <wilcal> Everything I have here logs in just fine. And that after todays big updates 19:06:16 <wilcal> Both automaticallt and manually 19:06:33 <MageiaTJ> The login screen comes up looking normal, but doesn't respond to keyboard or mouse clicks. Mouse moves cursor OK. 19:06:54 <MageiaTJ> I've only seen it with sddm. 19:07:13 <wilcal> Which screen environ Plasma Xfce??? 19:07:19 <bri_an> is he running two separate linux sharing same home? 19:07:51 <MageiaTJ> Plasma, for me. 19:07:55 <wilcal> I donno I don't think there's a bug written up for it yet 19:08:40 <wilcal> I run both Plasma and Xfce and do not see a freeze on log in either manually or auto login 19:09:19 <MageiaTJ> Seems to be several reasons that can cause it. Mine was the driver for an AMD video card. Changing it from radeon to amdgpu made it go away for that card. 19:09:51 <wilcal> Is this something new or has it been around awhile 19:10:03 <MageiaTJ> This user is using Intel graphics. 19:10:09 <wilcal> Did you see it surface after a recent update TJ? 19:10:38 <MageiaTJ> No, during testing of M8. M7 was also affected 19:11:06 <wilcal> Somebody then has raise a detailed bug we can refer to 19:11:09 <wilcal> Hi tar 19:11:18 <tarazed> Hi everybody 19:11:22 <wilcal> are you seeing the login freeze issue 19:11:31 <tarazed> no 19:11:44 <MageiaTJ> I don't think my bug would be much help - different cause. 19:12:19 <wilcal> I've remained silent as no matter what I do here I can't duplicate it 19:12:29 <MageiaTJ> I could get around it with autologin. That bypasses the sddm login screen. 19:13:16 <wilcal> For the record if the login screen does not work how can you get into your DE 19:14:10 <MageiaTJ> Boot in text mode, and log in, then use "startx" 19:14:13 <tarazed> SDDM seems to work OK here 19:14:22 <wilcal> I sem to remember seeing this quite awhile ago. A reboot made it go away 19:14:22 <DavidWHodgins> Sorry I'm late 19:14:33 <wilcal> Hello DAve. Our saviour 19:14:44 <wilcal> help us understand the Login freeze 19:14:52 <DavidWHodgins> From what's been posted to the ml, sounds like two different causes 19:14:53 <tarazed> gdm gives me trouble - endlessly cycling back to login 19:15:16 <wilcal> #chair DavidWHodgins 19:15:16 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins wilcal 19:15:17 <DavidWHodgins> One is definitely something changing the ownership of ~/.Xauthority 19:15:28 <wilcal> Gracious 19:15:39 <wilcal> is it just the one user? 19:15:45 <MageiaTJ> Dave, I saw it during M8 testing, and that was yet another cause. 19:15:59 <DavidWHodgins> The other sounds a the system going to sleep while at the login screen, and then not waking up properly. 19:16:30 <wilcal> Is this a universal issue or only one hardware platform or whatever 19:17:16 <DavidWHodgins> Fred james has the file ownership problem. A pain to track down 19:17:28 <wilcal> I don't think there's been a bug rasied about it 19:17:34 <DavidWHodgins> Paul has the apparent not waking from sleep problem 19:17:42 <DavidWHodgins> Neither have opened a bug report 19:18:22 <wilcal> So maybe the system goes to sleep, is a manual log in and you can't get back in 19:19:05 <wilcal> So that's something for me to try 19:19:17 <wilcal> I can't duplicate it 19:19:30 <MageiaTJ> From the emails, I think each believes the cause in each one is unique to his system. 19:19:32 <tarazed> Ah - one of my systems froze at a black screen today after being left for a while. 19:19:36 <DavidWHodgins> The details are still too vague at this point. Both users should open bug reports with as much detail as possible as to what's triggering it. Different bug reports, as the cause is different 19:20:25 <HDR> hi everybody 19:20:28 <wilcal> So next post on the ML we should implore people to open a bug with details of the system under test and the DE 19:20:37 <HDR> sorry i'm a bit late 19:20:45 <wilcal> Hi HDR 19:20:50 <wilcal> No prob 19:20:57 <DavidWHodgins> For Fred, we know that it's the file ownership. For Paul, I'm guessing it's wake from sleep or going to sleep that is not working properly 19:21:02 <wilcal> We're talking about the Login freeze 19:21:10 <DavidWHodgins> HDR: I was late too. :-) 19:21:40 <wilcal> You got the gavel Dave 19:21:52 <MageiaTJ> Hey, the only reason I can be here is that it's pouring rain outside. 19:21:59 <DavidWHodgins> I'll post a msg to the ml requesting they each open a bug report. Without more details, that's all we can do. 19:22:13 <DavidWHodgins> Raining here too. :-) 19:22:26 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing and using Mageia 8 19:22:47 <DavidWHodgins> The list is getting better. Thanks everyone. 19:22:51 <MageiaTJ> The list is shorter this week. 19:23:02 <wilcal> Big update today went through here just fine 19:23:41 <DavidWHodgins> There was a backlog of advisories to add to svn. Took me about 6 hours to do around 30 of them. 19:24:00 <wilcal> Gracious 19:24:09 <DavidWHodgins> Hard on the eyes, and I did make a few mistakes that tmb fixed 19:24:23 <wilcal> Mistakes are part of the deal 19:24:34 <DavidWHodgins> Yep. We are all human 19:25:02 <tarazed> And some of us are old 19:25:13 <MageiaTJ> If you were perfect, you'd be working at Ubuntu. ;-) 19:25:19 <bri_an> lol 19:25:20 <DavidWHodgins> Let's keep this meeting short. Not going to go over the list of updates, just asking everyone to keep up the good work testing them. 19:25:28 <DavidWHodgins> lol 19:25:43 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Anything else? 19:25:57 <DavidWHodgins> Summer is over. :-( 19:26:00 <tarazed> Should I send bug 29318 on its way? Philippe has done some testing. 19:26:02 <wilcal> I'm reallly dne. There really was just that one issue 19:26:03 <[mbot> Bug: ['Modified Backport Request : six plugins for Opencpn', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29318 19:26:07 <wilcal> thatnks for being here Dave 19:26:11 <DavidWHodgins> Yes 19:26:31 <wilcal> You got the countdown Dave 19:26:35 <MageiaTJ> I'm glad it's over. Terrible summer for growing things here. 19:26:52 <tarazed> I have had other problems 19:26:57 <DavidWHodgins> I skim through every bug report comment that gets posted to bugzilla 19:26:58 <MageiaTJ> Too wet. 19:27:14 <wilcal> Our temps here are now down into the double digits 19:27:15 <tarazed> Both thunderbird and firefox have held me up 19:27:27 <DavidWHodgins> Currently 13C here 19:27:35 <wilcal> Hard to sleep when it's 110 at 2am 19:27:41 <tarazed> How do you recover bookmarks with the new Firefox? 19:27:55 <MageiaTJ> Great. Customer in the rain... 19:28:02 <tarazed> The old method no longer works. 19:28:07 <wilcal> I'll try that tar 19:28:19 <DavidWHodgins> I'm not sure. I've never encounted the changing profile problems others seem to sometimes encounter 19:28:41 <MageiaTJ> Nope. He went on. 19:29:04 <DavidWHodgins> My profile has always remained ok, even on my main system that has been upgraded each release since Mageia 3 19:29:13 <tarazed> With thunderbird I had to remove the compatibility file which had rescued data before 19:29:20 <MageiaTJ> I never run into a problem as long as I stick with our versions. 19:29:32 <DavidWHodgins> I don't use thunderbird much though. Only use it when testing it. 19:29:45 <wilcal> Can you load bookmarks in from an html file? 19:30:01 <DavidWHodgins> tarazed: Have you ever installed directly from mozilla? 19:30:19 <wilcal> Something to ensure that still works 19:30:27 <tarazed> That is what has changed - the procedure seems to crash when you try 19:30:50 <tarazed> No never tried that 19:31:03 <DavidWHodgins> Don't install directly from mozilla 19:31:19 <tarazed> This was the latest update 19:31:34 <wilcal> Filezilla used to export bookmarks to html file 19:31:40 <DavidWHodgins> I'm pretty sure that's what leads to most of the problems 19:31:50 <DavidWHodgins> Even if it's not the cause in your case 19:31:53 <tarazed> I keep a permanent copy of mine 19:32:08 <wilcal> and that then html file can load back into a blank bookmarks firefox 19:32:34 <wilcal> exprt html from firefox 19:32:37 <MageiaTJ> I installed FF directly last summer when my bank didn't like ours. It refused to use my old profile. 19:32:57 <tarazed> It has been working like that for more than a year 19:33:26 <tarazed> Yes now it forces it 19:33:34 <DavidWHodgins> Check under .mozilla/firefox. The old bookmarks should be in one of the subsirectories. Normally there is only one subdirectory. If there are two, then with firefox closed, copy the bookmarks file from the "not in use" directory, to the one that is in use. 19:33:38 <wilcal> My BofA started to do that, I complained, noting happened for a few months then the problem went away 19:34:49 <DavidWHodgins> tarazed: Might be best to open a bug report for that problem too. Maybe the packager can figure out what triggered it. 19:35:03 <tarazed> OK 19:35:07 <DavidWHodgins> Anything else before countdown? 19:35:15 <wilcal> count it down 19:35:18 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5 19:35:20 <DavidWHodgins> 4 19:35:22 <wilcal> bye all 19:35:23 <HDR> bye 19:35:23 <DavidWHodgins> 3 19:35:25 <DavidWHodgins> 2 19:35:27 <DavidWHodgins> 1 19:35:33 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone 19:35:33 <tarazed> Ciao 19:35:40 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting