19:03:06 <wilcal> #startmeeting
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19:03:23 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:03:31 <wilcal> Anyone new here today?
19:04:32 <wilcal> NOpe
19:04:39 <wilcal> welll lets get right into it
19:04:41 <wilcal> #topic Login screen freeze
19:04:53 <wilcal> Can anyone explain what this is
19:04:59 <wilcal> I can't duplicate it
19:05:58 <wilcal> Everything I have here logs in just fine. And that after todays big updates
19:06:16 <wilcal> Both automaticallt and manually
19:06:33 <MageiaTJ> The login screen comes up looking normal, but doesn't respond to keyboard or mouse clicks. Mouse moves cursor OK.
19:06:54 <MageiaTJ> I've only seen it with sddm.
19:07:13 <wilcal> Which screen environ Plasma Xfce???
19:07:19 <bri_an> is he running two separate linux sharing same home?
19:07:51 <MageiaTJ> Plasma, for me.
19:07:55 <wilcal> I donno I don't think there's a bug written up for it yet
19:08:40 <wilcal> I run both Plasma and Xfce and do not see a freeze on log in either manually or auto login
19:09:19 <MageiaTJ> Seems to be several reasons that can cause it. Mine was the driver for an AMD video card. Changing it from radeon to amdgpu made it go away for that card.
19:09:51 <wilcal> Is this something new or has it been around awhile
19:10:03 <MageiaTJ> This user is using Intel graphics.
19:10:09 <wilcal> Did you see it surface after a recent update TJ?
19:10:38 <MageiaTJ> No, during testing of M8. M7 was also affected
19:11:06 <wilcal> Somebody then has raise a detailed bug we can refer to
19:11:09 <wilcal> Hi tar
19:11:18 <tarazed> Hi everybody
19:11:22 <wilcal> are you seeing the login freeze issue
19:11:31 <tarazed> no
19:11:44 <MageiaTJ> I don't think my bug would be much help - different cause.
19:12:19 <wilcal> I've remained silent as no matter what I do here I can't duplicate it
19:12:29 <MageiaTJ> I could get around it with autologin. That bypasses the sddm login screen.
19:13:16 <wilcal> For the record if the login screen does not work how can you get into your DE
19:14:10 <MageiaTJ> Boot in text mode, and log in, then use "startx"
19:14:13 <tarazed> SDDM seems to work OK here
19:14:22 <wilcal> I sem to remember seeing this quite awhile ago. A reboot made it go away
19:14:22 <DavidWHodgins> Sorry I'm late
19:14:33 <wilcal> Hello DAve. Our saviour
19:14:44 <wilcal> help us understand the Login freeze
19:14:52 <DavidWHodgins> From what's been posted to the ml, sounds like two different causes
19:14:53 <tarazed> gdm gives me trouble - endlessly cycling back to login
19:15:16 <wilcal> #chair DavidWHodgins
19:15:16 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins wilcal
19:15:17 <DavidWHodgins> One is definitely something changing the ownership of ~/.Xauthority
19:15:28 <wilcal> Gracious
19:15:39 <wilcal> is it just the one user?
19:15:45 <MageiaTJ> Dave, I saw it during M8 testing, and that was yet another cause.
19:15:59 <DavidWHodgins> The other sounds a the system going to sleep while at the login screen, and then not waking up properly.
19:16:30 <wilcal> Is this a universal issue or only one hardware platform or whatever
19:17:16 <DavidWHodgins> Fred james has the file ownership problem. A pain to track down
19:17:28 <wilcal> I don't think there's been a bug rasied about it
19:17:34 <DavidWHodgins> Paul has the apparent not waking from sleep problem
19:17:42 <DavidWHodgins> Neither have opened a bug report
19:18:22 <wilcal> So maybe the system goes to sleep, is a manual log in and you can't get back in
19:19:05 <wilcal> So that's something for me to try
19:19:17 <wilcal> I can't duplicate it
19:19:30 <MageiaTJ> From the emails, I think each believes the cause in each one is unique to his system.
19:19:32 <tarazed> Ah - one of my systems froze at a black screen today after being left for a while.
19:19:36 <DavidWHodgins> The details are still too vague at this point. Both users should open bug reports with as much detail as possible as to what's triggering it. Different bug reports, as the cause is different
19:20:25 <HDR> hi everybody
19:20:28 <wilcal> So next post on the ML we should implore people to open a bug with details of the system under test and the DE
19:20:37 <HDR> sorry i'm a bit  late
19:20:45 <wilcal> Hi HDR
19:20:50 <wilcal> No prob
19:20:57 <DavidWHodgins> For Fred, we know that it's the file ownership. For Paul, I'm guessing it's wake from sleep or going to sleep that is not working properly
19:21:02 <wilcal> We're talking about the Login freeze
19:21:10 <DavidWHodgins> HDR: I was late too. :-)
19:21:40 <wilcal> You got the gavel Dave
19:21:52 <MageiaTJ> Hey, the only reason I can be here is that it's pouring rain outside.
19:21:59 <DavidWHodgins> I'll post a msg to the ml requesting they each open a bug report. Without more details, that's all we can do.
19:22:13 <DavidWHodgins> Raining here too. :-)
19:22:26 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing and using Mageia 8
19:22:47 <DavidWHodgins> The list is getting better. Thanks everyone.
19:22:51 <MageiaTJ> The list is shorter this week.
19:23:02 <wilcal> Big update today went through here just fine
19:23:41 <DavidWHodgins> There was a backlog of advisories to add to svn. Took me about 6 hours to do around 30 of them.
19:24:00 <wilcal> Gracious
19:24:09 <DavidWHodgins> Hard on the eyes, and I did make a few mistakes that tmb fixed
19:24:23 <wilcal> Mistakes are part of the deal
19:24:34 <DavidWHodgins> Yep. We are all human
19:25:02 <tarazed> And some of us are old
19:25:13 <MageiaTJ> If you were perfect, you'd be working at Ubuntu. ;-)
19:25:19 <bri_an> lol
19:25:20 <DavidWHodgins> Let's keep this meeting short. Not going to go over the list of updates, just asking everyone to keep up the good work testing them.
19:25:28 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:25:43 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Anything else?
19:25:57 <DavidWHodgins> Summer is over. :-(
19:26:00 <tarazed> Should I send bug 29318 on its way?  Philippe has done some testing.
19:26:02 <wilcal> I'm reallly dne. There really was just that one issue
19:26:03 <[mbot> Bug: ['Modified Backport Request : six plugins for Opencpn', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29318
19:26:07 <wilcal> thatnks for being here Dave
19:26:11 <DavidWHodgins> Yes
19:26:31 <wilcal> You got the countdown Dave
19:26:35 <MageiaTJ> I'm glad it's over. Terrible summer for growing things here.
19:26:52 <tarazed> I have had other problems
19:26:57 <DavidWHodgins> I skim through every bug report comment that gets posted to bugzilla
19:26:58 <MageiaTJ> Too wet.
19:27:14 <wilcal> Our temps here are now down into the double digits
19:27:15 <tarazed> Both thunderbird and firefox  have  held me up
19:27:27 <DavidWHodgins> Currently 13C here
19:27:35 <wilcal> Hard to sleep when it's 110 at 2am
19:27:41 <tarazed> How do you recover bookmarks with the new Firefox?
19:27:55 <MageiaTJ> Great. Customer in the rain...
19:28:02 <tarazed> The old method no longer works.
19:28:07 <wilcal> I'll try that tar
19:28:19 <DavidWHodgins> I'm not sure. I've never encounted the changing profile problems others seem to sometimes encounter
19:28:41 <MageiaTJ> Nope. He went on.
19:29:04 <DavidWHodgins> My profile has always remained ok, even on my main system that has been upgraded each release since Mageia 3
19:29:13 <tarazed> With thunderbird I had to remove the compatibility file which had rescued data before
19:29:20 <MageiaTJ> I never run into a problem as long as I stick with our versions.
19:29:32 <DavidWHodgins> I don't use thunderbird much though. Only use it when testing it.
19:29:45 <wilcal> Can you load bookmarks in from an html file?
19:30:01 <DavidWHodgins> tarazed: Have you ever installed directly from mozilla?
19:30:19 <wilcal> Something to ensure that still works
19:30:27 <tarazed> That is what has changed - the procedure seems to crash when you try
19:30:50 <tarazed> No never tried that
19:31:03 <DavidWHodgins> Don't install directly from mozilla
19:31:19 <tarazed> This was the latest update
19:31:34 <wilcal> Filezilla used to export bookmarks to html file
19:31:40 <DavidWHodgins> I'm pretty sure that's what leads to most of the problems
19:31:50 <DavidWHodgins> Even if it's not the cause in your case
19:31:53 <tarazed> I keep a permanent copy of mine
19:32:08 <wilcal> and that then html file can load back into a blank  bookmarks firefox
19:32:34 <wilcal> exprt html from firefox
19:32:37 <MageiaTJ> I installed FF directly last summer when my bank didn't like ours. It refused to use my old profile.
19:32:57 <tarazed> It has been working like that for more than a year
19:33:26 <tarazed> Yes now it forces it
19:33:34 <DavidWHodgins> Check under .mozilla/firefox. The old bookmarks should be in one of the subsirectories. Normally there is only one subdirectory. If there are two, then with firefox closed, copy the bookmarks file from the "not in use" directory, to the one that is in use.
19:33:38 <wilcal> My BofA started to do that, I complained, noting happened for a few months then the problem went away
19:34:49 <DavidWHodgins> tarazed: Might be best to open a bug report for that problem too. Maybe the packager can figure out what triggered it.
19:35:03 <tarazed> OK
19:35:07 <DavidWHodgins> Anything else before countdown?
19:35:15 <wilcal> count it down
19:35:18 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5
19:35:20 <DavidWHodgins> 4
19:35:22 <wilcal> bye all
19:35:23 <HDR> bye
19:35:23 <DavidWHodgins> 3
19:35:25 <DavidWHodgins> 2
19:35:27 <DavidWHodgins> 1
19:35:33 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone
19:35:33 <tarazed> Ciao
19:35:40 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting