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19:03:27 <wilcal> YES!!!!
19:03:56 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:04:01 <hviaene> Triple hooray
19:04:04 <benmc_> david tested the bot earlier in the week
19:04:10 <wilcal> Anyone new here today
19:05:09 <wilcal> Lets move to the issue of the day
19:05:12 <wilcal> #topic M7.1 EOL
19:05:49 <wilcal> Next Wed 23:59 European time <7.1 is EOL
19:06:12 <wilcal> And that regardless of how many bugs are still open
19:06:17 <benmc_> is there going to be a big ceremony?
19:06:35 <wilcal> But if there is a big problem that can be fixed
19:06:53 <wilcal> Look at the list. Not all of them are going to be pushed
19:06:59 <wilcal> HELLOW DAVID
19:06:59 <DavidWHodgins> Sorry I'm late
19:07:05 <wilcal> No prob
19:07:19 <wilcal> We're talking M7.1 EOL
19:07:35 <hviaene> I touched a few ones I couldn't get my ggrip on.
19:07:44 <DavidWHodgins> With end of support being reached, that doesn't mean the end of all updates for Mageia 7.
19:07:55 <wilcal> #chair DavidWHodgins
19:07:55 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins wilcal
19:08:19 <wilcal> Only if the issue is severe
19:08:27 <DavidWHodgins> There will still be updates for some critical security issues in the near future as we did for the first spectre bugs
19:08:46 <wilcal> Are we still going to have to deal with the kernel of the week in M7.1 for some months
19:08:59 <DavidWHodgins> Mostly it will be limited to fixing any new problems found that cause problems upgrading from M7 to M8
19:09:05 <wilcal> It's hard enough on M8
19:09:19 <hviaene> That means I cann't kill my M7 partitions yet ???
19:09:30 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: No. Only if Thomas deems them severe enough
19:09:36 <DavidWHodgins> Which should be rare
19:09:43 <DavidWHodgins> hviaene: Not just yet. :-)
19:10:02 <wilcal> M7.1 has been like a warm puppy
19:10:12 <hviaene> :')
19:10:52 <DavidWHodgins> Most of the m7 updates currently assigned to qa will be closed as old, unless the update is for m7 and m8. Those updates will be validated just by passing m8 testing
19:12:03 <DavidWHodgins> m7 was one of the stablest releases we've had, mostly because it had few really new features. Not switch to systemd, or major rpm changes, etc.
19:12:27 <DavidWHodgins> m8 looks likely to be slmilar. Let's hope! :-)
19:12:40 <wilcal> Cross fingers
19:13:14 <DavidWHodgins> Any questions on the end of support for m7 (Note, please call it end of support, not end of lifie)?
19:13:24 <wilcal> Note from me
19:13:35 <hviaene> No
19:13:41 <tarazed> nope
19:13:46 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing and using Mageia 7 & 8
19:13:48 <benmc_> no
19:13:58 <wilcal> I see the logging feature is working here
19:15:00 <DavidWHodgins> Yes. Nicolas got it working
19:15:23 <wilcal> We are seeing an ever running parade of kernel updates, like one a week
19:15:40 <wilcal> 46 is up  there now
19:16:08 <DavidWHodgins> That's not unusual. We get a lot more than most Mageia users as so many get new updates before finishing qa
19:16:52 <DavidWHodgins> The kernel is one of the most scrutanized pieces of software on the planet!
19:17:03 <wilcal> I should be through that by Sat
19:17:16 <wilcal> Especailly lately
19:17:21 <DavidWHodgins> Still new bugs keep getting found, tough mostly in rarely used parts
19:17:42 <DavidWHodgins> The c language is very unforgiving
19:18:40 <DavidWHodgins> We still have a number of updtes to get through. Let's try and get through as many as we can before m7 eos
19:19:01 <hviaene> On the topic: I don't use M7 anymore anywhere, excpy for a testing partition, so what is the question???
19:19:55 <DavidWHodgins> For now, it should still be used for testing kernel, glibc and any other software that directly interacts with the hardware
19:20:16 <DavidWHodgins> Things like VirtualBox can only be tested on real hardware too
19:20:27 <wilcal> All my platforms are transitioned to M8. But my test system, a Dell laptop, runs off external SSD's and that has a M7.1 SSd
19:21:17 <wilcal> And my test M7.1 SSD features SSD and I have both M7.1 & M8 Clients
19:21:29 <DavidWHodgins> The only difference between m7 and 7.1 is the iso they were installed from. The packages are the same so calling it an m7 or an m7.1 install means the same thing
19:21:34 <wilcal> Vbox clients
19:21:58 <wilcal> I also have now included an i586 XFCE Vbox client
19:22:18 <Guygoye[m]> My M7 is only on VM
19:22:37 <DavidWHodgins> I have one desktop running m7 an m8, one running m8 only, a laptop running m7 and m8, and a rpi4b running m8 only
19:22:46 <wilcal> Vbox has really matured in the last year or so
19:23:29 <wilcal> I am very confident that if it runs in a Vbox client, or errors, the same thing will happen on real hardware
19:23:32 <DavidWHodgins> Any specific problems encounted in testing updates from http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates that I may have missed?
19:23:34 <[mbot> | Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates
19:23:41 <wilcal> not from me
19:24:36 <Guygoye[m]> Not for me
19:24:37 <DavidWHodgins> Guess that its time to move on ...
19:24:40 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Anything else?
19:24:45 <wilcal> Not from me
19:25:08 <hviaene> No
19:25:09 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like countdown time then
19:25:13 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5
19:25:16 <DavidWHodgins> 4
19:25:20 <DavidWHodgins> 3
19:25:23 <wilcal> Bye all see you all next week
19:25:24 <DavidWHodgins> 2
19:25:25 <hviaene> G'night all
19:25:26 <DavidWHodgins> 1
19:25:33 <tarazed> bye folks
19:25:40 <Guygoye[m]> Bye everybody
19:25:41 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone. I'll post the links to the logs to the ml
19:25:47 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting