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19:02:42 <wilcal> Lets kick this off
19:02:58 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:03:19 <wilcal> Anyone new here today?
19:04:11 <wilcal> nope then lets move to the issue of the day
19:04:13 <wilcal> #topic Browser Packaging
19:04:26 <wilcal> What's been called Browser Packaging
19:04:47 <wilcal> Or the rapidly evolving state of websites and browsers
19:05:25 <MageiaTJ> The issues that were caused by us appear to have been resolved by the Firefox now in testing.
19:05:40 <wilcal> About a year ago I had a problem with my bank, Bank of America, they claimed my browser was obsolete
19:05:45 <wilcal> and it wasn't
19:06:17 <wilcal> Trying to explain that to a $10B Bank is an exercise in futility
19:06:54 <MageiaTJ> Faking a user agent appears to take care of that problem.
19:07:40 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29064
19:07:42 <[mbot_> | 29064 – Firefox 78.11
19:08:27 <bri_an> yeah - note sure how complicated it is to build the Firefox latest, so up to the packagers from my perspective
19:08:30 <wilcal> I donno how you test it if you don't have a website that rejects you
19:08:33 <bri_an> note = not
19:08:53 <Guygoye[m]> I've just tested it, now all is right for me
19:09:02 <Guygoye[m]> see my comment in BR
19:09:46 <wilcal> My issue, and with another that I'll get to, is these things are coming up more and more often
19:10:01 <MageiaTJ> Working OK for me now, too.
19:10:30 <wilcal> Is there a public website that we can test the old and the new against?
19:11:40 <wilcal> I guess all we can do is to make sure it works on sites that we use
19:11:42 <Guygoye[m]> I ve tried with Element, Matrix web client
19:12:02 <MageiaTJ> I doubt it. The problem comes from the policies of each website, and what they will and will not accept.
19:12:38 <Guygoye[m]> I wonder if it's wok fine with visio conf systems like Webex...
19:13:50 <HDR> Hi everybody
19:14:03 <MageiaTJ> It's better than the old days, when there were sites that would only work with Windows Explorer.
19:14:08 <wilcal> And recently that seems to be daily changes due to security issues
19:14:33 <MageiaTJ> Hi, HDR.
19:14:34 <wilcal> Hi HDR
19:15:18 <wilcal> Lets move on to a more general issue
19:15:20 <wilcal> #topic Mageia 7 to 8 using and testing
19:15:30 <andi89gi> hey folks!
19:15:50 <MageiaTJ> Hi, andi
19:15:59 <wilcal> We extended the M7.1 EOL and that resulted in an avalance of bugs to be tested
19:16:08 <wilcal> should have let it die?
19:16:50 <MageiaTJ> Blame Luigi12.
19:17:13 <MageiaTJ> ;-)
19:17:46 <wilcal> We left the door open and Luigi took advantage of it :-))
19:18:38 <wilcal> Looks like that's at least a months worth of testing there, pending even more bugs added
19:18:40 <MageiaTJ> Lots of those new bugs apply to mga8, too, so you can't just say it's because we didn't kill mga7.
19:19:16 <wilcal> While I agree with that if M7.1 was EOL the list would be back to what it was a week ago
19:19:55 <wilcal> The fact that M8 updates came along does that mean all of them have to be applied to M7.1?
19:20:16 <wilcal> I'm just being contrar here. Luigi does a good job
19:20:23 <bri_an> and we didn't communicate the EOL.  I was on the community blog and it still isn't mentioend
19:20:37 <MageiaTJ> I'll see what I can do with bug 28997 tonight.
19:20:39 <[mbot_> Bug: ['libpano13 new security issue CVE-2021-20307', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28997
19:20:46 <wilcal> So we bit ourselves in the behind
19:21:31 <wilcal> Long list of bugs. Do as best we can
19:22:16 <wilcal> Can we go on to anything else. I've got a hot topic
19:22:48 <MageiaTJ> Go for it.
19:23:19 <wilcal> First and foremost don't take this wrong. We all do a great job here. I just wanted to point this one out
19:23:44 <wilcal> Here goes
19:23:49 <wilcal> Update request: kernel-5.10.41-1.mga8/7
19:23:51 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28980
19:23:52 <wilcal> Posted: 2021-05-28 19:24 CEST
19:23:52 <[mbot_> | 28980 – Update request: kernel-5.10.41-1.mga8/7
19:23:54 <wilcal> Resolved released: 2021-05-31 22:33
19:23:55 <wilcal> Priority: High Severity: major
19:23:57 <wilcal> IMO: Dangeriously fast update, less then 3-days
19:23:58 <wilcal> 
19:24:00 <wilcal> Just 12-days after:
19:24:01 <wilcal> 
19:24:03 <wilcal> Update request: kernel-5.10.37-2.mga8/7
19:24:04 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28908
19:24:06 <wilcal> Posted: 2021-05-12 10:35 CEST
19:24:06 <[mbot_> | 28908 – Update request: kernel-5.10.37-2.mga8/7
19:24:07 <wilcal> Resolved: 2021-05-19 21:32 CEST
19:24:09 <wilcal> Priority: Normal Severity: normal
19:24:23 <wilcal> I think 28980 was only up for a couple days for test
19:24:32 <wilcal> caught me by surprise
19:24:41 <wilcal> it was there and gone
19:24:51 <wilcal> And aa critical part of the OS
19:25:10 <wilcal> Things could have gone bad quickly
19:25:32 <wilcal> I'm sure it was hyper critical that it get worked and pushed on
19:25:54 <MageiaTJ> High priority and major severity mean a fast turnaround is requested.
19:25:56 <wilcal> Trip'n on the light fantastic
19:26:10 <wilcal> I am not disagreeing wht that TJ
19:26:18 <wilcal> was there a post on the ML about it
19:26:26 <wilcal> I don'r remember seeing that
19:26:59 <wilcal> It's been awhile since I've seen a "kernel panic" error
19:27:13 <MageiaTJ> Not that I saw, and I realize that TMB usually posts there when a kernel needs fast attention.
19:27:24 <wilcal> Precisly TJ
19:28:07 <wilcal> Can I ask everyone that if they see a critical bug that needs to be worked put a notice on the QA ML so we all can get on it
19:28:34 <wilcal> TMB works really hard
19:28:47 <wilcal> and those kernel updates are critical
19:29:18 <wilcal> I wanna say that critical bugs have to be on the list for at least one QA meeting day
19:29:33 <wilcal> So we can all get the heads up
19:29:35 <MageiaTJ> At the same time, we should all check https://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates regularly for those high priority updates.
19:29:37 <[mbot_> | Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates
19:30:14 <wilcal> For me that thing went up and off within a day or two
19:30:40 <wilcal> Anyway Just Say'n
19:31:10 <wilcal> I also think we are experiencing an avalance of security bugs these days
19:32:40 <wilcal> ANything else
19:33:47 <MageiaTJ> Nothing from me.
19:33:56 <wilcal> The world is going ransomware crazy. Anyting there we should be sensitive too?
19:34:31 <wilcal> Or is there just a bazillion unupdated obsolte Win X systems out there
19:35:51 <wilcal> OK folks so same time same place next week
19:35:57 <MageiaTJ> I think a couple of big targets got hit, and there was lots of publicity. I don't think the actual threat is any bigger. But then I don't exactly have my ear to the ground on this.
19:35:58 <wilcal> T-5
19:36:18 <wilcal> T-4
19:36:33 <HDR> Bye everybody
19:36:39 <andi89gi> bye
19:36:39 <wilcal> If you believe the press it's a blizzard of ransomeware attacks
19:36:44 <wilcal> T-3
19:36:47 <wilcal> Bye all
19:36:51 <wilcal> T-2
19:37:06 <wilcal> T-1
19:37:08 <wilcal> #endmeeting