19:06:17 <wilcal> #startmeeting 19:06:17 <Inigo_Montoya_> Meeting started Thu May 27 19:06:17 2021 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:06:17 <Inigo_Montoya_> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:06:32 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 19:06:41 <wilcal> Anyone new here today 19:07:10 <wilcal> Nope so lets for the record get into the hot issue of the week 19:07:12 <wilcal> #topic Browser issues 19:07:25 <wilcal> Lots of arm waving over this on the ML 19:07:35 <wilcal> I have my own feelings about it 19:08:07 <wilcal> My own bank, Bank of America started to flag my browser as obsolete 19:08:19 <wilcal> which was wrong at the time 19:08:58 <wilcal> IMO it's all over rapidly changing security issues 19:09:19 <MageiaTJ> I think the whole thing will go away when we switch to the next major Firefox ESR version. 92, I think it is. Scheduled for July, I believe 19:09:27 <wilcal> Websites keep changing their security proceedures 19:10:19 <wilcal> the big websites are oblivious if you try to conact them 19:10:22 <MageiaTJ> But we don't usually switch to a new ESR when the first version comes out. We usually wait while the old one is still supported by Mozilla. 19:12:37 <wilcal> I don't think we can guarantee that the problems will go away with the new ESR 19:13:06 <MageiaTJ> I seem to remember reading that Firefox introduced some new security feature in the early 80's, which would mean that our 78.x ESR wouldn't have it. The new one should. 19:13:55 <MageiaTJ> Of course we can't guarantee it. 19:14:14 <wilcal> All the hacks have the big companies spooked 19:14:45 <wilcal> So things keep changing and users see it as a fault in the browser 19:15:30 <MageiaTJ> That's true. The recent pipeline ransomware incident has everybody scared. 19:15:40 <wilcal> So we wait till July for the new Firefox ESR I guess and hopt things are better 19:16:39 <wilcal> Lets move on to this 19:16:41 <wilcal> #topic M7.1 EOL 19:17:03 <wilcal> Looking at the open bugs list lots of waiting for feeback 19:17:19 <wilcal> so those are not likely to be resolved before EOL 19:18:48 <wilcal> Can you think of anything that will hold M7.1 active beyond EOL? 19:19:39 <wilcal> Lite meeting today 19:20:02 <MageiaTJ> Not unless some of those pending updates are to resolve upgrade issues. 19:20:55 <Luigi12> I think the samba update is supposed to, so we need to get a packager to fix that one up 19:21:15 <Luigi12> maybe I'll take a look tomorrow 19:21:16 <wilcal> Samba is important 19:21:31 <wilcal> I'm an NFS kinda guy 19:22:22 <wilcal> That's what I was doing just before the meeting. Working with an NFS share on a M8 server and mounting it on a Raspberry Pi 19:23:19 <wilcal> Any lots of waiting for feedback on lots of bugs 19:23:44 <wilcal> Lets move on and make this short 19:23:46 <wilcal> #topic Anything else? 19:23:54 <wilcal> Anything else? 19:23:57 <wilcal> Not from me 19:24:11 <MageiaTJ> othing here. 19:24:38 <wilcal> Lets see what happens when we reach EOL of M7.1 19:24:54 <wilcal> Thanks for being here TJ and your work on the bugs 19:25:08 <wilcal> Countdown time 19:25:12 <wilcal> T-5 19:25:29 <wilcal> T-4 19:25:34 <andi89gi> oh missed the meeting 19:25:39 <wilcal> See ya next week 19:25:45 <andi89gi> just want to say Hello to u! 19:25:53 <MageiaTJ> Hello! 19:26:03 <Luigi12> hi andi! 19:26:10 <wilcal> Not much go'n on except the dustup over the FirefoxESR packaging 19:26:29 <wilcal> Hello luigi 19:26:31 <Luigi12> sounds like it's more packaging issues than anything 19:26:37 <wilcal> anything? 19:26:43 <Luigi12> not much we can do about stupid web developers 19:26:45 <andi89gi> Hey! I guess some of you have read my email on dev-mageia-list!. Hopefully I will be on he meeting next time 19:27:11 <Luigi12> I need to get caught back up on mailing lists :o( I'm a few months behind. 19:27:13 <wilcal> New ESR in July 19:27:32 <wilcal> Will that really resolve the issues 19:27:36 <Luigi12> if we can get it packaged quickly and QA likes it, maybe we can roll with it earlier 19:27:43 <Luigi12> but yeah it probably won't fix all the issues 19:28:03 <Luigi12> seems to be some mysterious problems 19:28:06 <wilcal> I mentioned earlier the cause is the rapidly changing security issues 19:28:14 <Luigi12> not really 19:28:59 <wilcal> My Bank, Bandk of Amerca, told me my Brower was obsolete, and it wasn't 19:29:14 <Luigi12> yeah it usually does that, but it always works fine 19:29:15 <MageiaTJ> Mozilla doubled the interval between new ESRs. It used to be 7, now it's something like 14. 19:29:26 <Luigi12> I think it's just not a set schedule any more 19:29:32 <Luigi12> last gap was 10 19:29:32 <MageiaTJ> That doen't help. 19:29:57 <Luigi12> yeah I mean longer is nice as the upgrades are a headache packaging wise, but obviously it makes the stupid web developer problem more acute 19:29:57 <wilcal> 10 weeks? 19:30:01 <Luigi12> 10 releases 19:30:05 <Luigi12> 68->78 19:30:15 <wilcal> O 10 releases of the regular browser 19:30:21 <Luigi12> yeah milestone releases 19:30:28 <MageiaTJ> And the next 78-92. I think. 19:30:33 <Luigi12> wowza 19:30:52 <wilcal> An eternity in the world of web security 19:30:59 <Luigi12> it probably takes longer for Mozilla to make enough changes to make branching a new one worthwhile, they've lost a lot of funding and developers 19:31:26 <Luigi12> I wish they would change their channel names to help curb the confusion 19:32:07 <wilcal> Maybe Jeff Bezos will buy them :-)) He bought MGM Studios yesterday 19:32:16 <andi89gi> hey luigi 19:32:20 <Luigi12> yeah he's got money 19:32:36 <Luigi12> maybe he can sponsor a Mozilla developer room on his 250 foot yacht 19:32:40 <wilcal> $9B pocket change for Bezos 19:32:52 <wilcal> anyway anything else 19:33:15 <wilcal> I was at T-4 19:34:26 <wilcal> Well then lets wrap it 19:34:29 <wilcal> T-4 19:34:46 <wilcal> T-3 19:34:55 <wilcal> T-2 19:34:56 <Luigi12> Judgement Day 19:35:02 <wilcal> Thanks all for being here 19:35:07 <wilcal> see ya all next week 19:35:11 <wilcal> T-1 19:35:20 <wilcal> #endmeeting