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20:04:21 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
20:04:27 <wilcal> Anyone new here today
20:05:22 <wilcal> #topic Mageia 8 - Any issues
20:05:42 <wilcal> Are we having any issues with M8?
20:06:01 <wilcal> Two quick kernel updates since the last QA meeting
20:06:13 <wilcal> Exausted everyone
20:06:32 <wilcal> Both updates went through here without issue
20:06:52 <MageiaTJ> No problems here, either.
20:07:26 <wilcal> The first update fixed a major issue I was having that meing very unstable Plasma DE
20:07:56 <wilcal> I donno how many others were having the same issue but it was horrible
20:08:11 <wilcal> Anyway it's gone now
20:08:28 <Guygoye_> No problem here on my DE Plasma, XFCE, Gnome and LxQt
20:08:48 <wilcal> Kernal updates scare me
20:09:11 <wilcal> I haven't seen a Mageia kernal panic in years
20:09:15 <Guygoye_> I have made mail on ml about headset and sound output on Gnome
20:09:27 <wilcal> I have seen all that
20:09:38 <wilcal> hi filip
20:09:49 <MageiaTJ> system-config-printer didn't recognize my HP Envy Photo 7858, but hp-setup did. Seems to be working as it should, though I haven't used it much yet.
20:09:52 <wilcal> Explain to me what that is about
20:10:18 <wilcal> You see my recommend to move to an ePrinter
20:10:40 <wilcal> I'm done dealing with CUPS and hp drivers
20:10:54 <MageiaTJ> My new printer has that capability, too - should I choose to use it.
20:11:17 <wilcal> I went to it out of frustration
20:11:49 <MageiaTJ> I went to confifure the printer in MCC, and it showed as an unknown usb printer.
20:12:05 <wilcal> It is a lot slower then having the function locally. You are dependent on the HP ePrint server
20:12:30 <MageiaTJ> But hp-setup, part of hplip, correctly identified it and set it up.
20:12:46 <MageiaTJ> No muss, no fuss.
20:13:03 <wilcal> I am now going through all the M8 fuctions one at a time. I've transitioned to platforms here to M8
20:14:02 <wilcal> You've seen my ML messages on the loss of Bluegriffon
20:14:19 <wilcal> It looks like it is really lost not to return
20:14:45 <wilcal> So now we really have to official HTML Editor in the Mageia M8 repo
20:14:58 <wilcal> And that ain't good
20:15:12 <wilcal> AS bad as Bluegriffon was
20:15:14 <MageiaTJ> The eprinter thing wouldn't work well for me. I donn't print often, but when I do it can be a lot of things at once, sometimes things I wouldn't want in the cloud.
20:15:45 <wilcal> My problem is my inkjet cartridges dry out I use it so infrequently
20:15:47 <MageiaTJ> I don't trust the cloud.
20:16:18 <wilcal> Every Sunday I print a test page to keep the inkjet carts working and that does not help
20:16:42 <neoclust> Hi
20:16:48 <wilcal> Hi neo
20:16:54 <wilcal> thaks for being here
20:17:03 <wilcal> we're discussing M8 issues
20:17:14 <wilcal> Anything of note from you
20:17:32 <neoclust> we ( packagers ) need to deal with mga7-> 8 upgrade issues
20:17:33 <MageiaTJ> I'll probably have a similar problem with this one. I bought it mostly for the scanner. Do most of my printing with a color Laserjet these days.
20:17:38 <neoclust> to allow us to open mgaapplet
20:18:07 <MageiaTJ> I verified the M8 batik update.
20:18:42 <wilcal> With neo here I'll state again with the loss of Bluegriffon
20:18:44 <wilcal> So now we really have to official HTML Editor in the Mageia M8 repo
20:18:45 <wilcal> [12:14] <wilcal> And that ain't good
20:18:59 <DavidWHodgins> Sorry, didn't notice the time.
20:19:03 <wilcal> Hello David
20:19:04 <MageiaTJ> But I don't know how to test bug 28479
20:19:06 <neoclust> MageiaTJ: wilcal: yes btw for sec updates, when i can fix both at once i will do, but to not slow M8 sec updates release i will clone the bugreport when mga7 updates takes more time
20:19:06 <[mbot> Bug: ['batik package conflicts from upgrading Mageia 7 to 8', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28479
20:19:20 <wilcal> #chair DavidWHodgins
20:19:20 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins wilcal
20:19:38 <wilcal> I have a Laz-y-boy chair that eats me all the time
20:19:40 <MageiaTJ> Hi, Dave.
20:19:50 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa everyone
20:19:57 <wilcal> The open issue is any M8 issues
20:20:10 <MageiaTJ> There's a Barcalounger I have to avoid.
20:20:24 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: hello
20:20:25 <DavidWHodgins> Still the issue for opencv-devel causing file conflicts, breaking upgrading
20:20:29 <wilcal> You got the gavil Dave
20:20:37 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: i can take a look at it today
20:21:23 <neoclust> MageiaTJ: for 28479 you install batik from mga7 and then updates to mageia 8
20:21:29 <neoclust> to see if it updates cleanly
20:21:30 <wilcal> FWIW I've started the process of learning how to get Wordpress to work on M8. No easy task
20:21:54 <DavidWHodgins> That's the only issue I'm aware of that still needs to be fixed before we can consider enabling mgaapplet upgrading for everyone.
20:22:06 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: there is no issue with llvm ?
20:22:16 <neoclust> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28393
20:22:18 <[mbot> [ 28393 – Tracker: Upgrade Mageia 7 to Mageia 8 ]
20:22:43 <neoclust> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28007 ah this is devel packages so a little less important
20:22:45 <[mbot> [ 28007 – llvm-11.0 mga8 packages conflicts with mga7 llvm-devel packages when updating MGA7 to MGA8 ]
20:22:56 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Hadn't noticed that one.
20:23:24 <DavidWHodgins> Or rather had forgotten about it. :-)
20:25:00 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: tvignaud fixed llvm updates in mga9 ( updats mga8 -> mga9 )
20:25:08 <neoclust> i will see to backport such change in mga8 updates
20:25:22 <neoclust> to allow mga7 -> 8 update
20:25:26 <DavidWHodgins> I need to test the ones with scriplet errors to see if they stop the upgrade process until ok selected, or are just cosmetic
20:26:03 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: for me the samba one, is cosmetics as it doesn't ( from what i remember ) updates
20:26:06 <DavidWHodgins> The file conflicts must be fixed as they may break upgrading depending on what other packages happen to be in the same rpm transaction
20:26:44 <DavidWHodgins> That's what I thought, but want to test to confirm it's just cosmetic and has no other impact
20:28:44 <DavidWHodgins> The java3d packages should be dropped from mga8 if they can not be fixed soon.
20:29:14 <neoclust> it has been removed from mageia 8 already
20:29:21 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Ok. Good.
20:29:23 <neoclust> the problem is when it is installed from mga7
20:29:36 <neoclust> it tells "hey man, where is my java3d?"
20:29:38 <neoclust> :)
20:29:49 <DavidWHodgins> The error message is correct, not a bug in my opinion
20:30:26 <DavidWHodgins> It should be listed in the errata if it isn't already, but otherwise is not a bug
20:30:27 <neoclust> not a bug but not good neither :-)
20:30:44 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: yes in the ERRATA is good
20:30:58 <DavidWHodgins> Might be a good idea to suggest it's removal in the preparations too
20:31:14 <DavidWHodgins> To avoid having the upgrade interrupted
20:31:51 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: should be added in task-obsolete ?
20:32:12 <DavidWHodgins> That would work too
20:32:44 <neoclust> ok i add on my todo :-)
20:32:44 <DavidWHodgins> Probably a better idea since it can not work on mga8
20:32:47 <neoclust> first the conflicts
20:33:35 <neoclust> yes and we will reintroduce it "IF" it gets fixed to work with java11 or we build it with java 1.8.0 as we still have it mageia 8
20:33:39 <DavidWHodgins> I thought batik had been fixed. Is it just waiting for testing?
20:33:39 <neoclust> i will try to see what is best
20:34:04 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: for batik we are just waiting for QA ok
20:34:26 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. I'll test an upgrade with it later today.
20:35:31 <MageiaTJ> Oh, good. Then I don't have to figure out how to do it.
20:35:52 <DavidWHodgins> So just llvm and opencv-devel that need fixing, an batik needs testing
20:36:23 <neoclust> damn i have more work on my plate :-)
20:37:00 <DavidWHodgins> Isn't there always :-)
20:37:07 <bri_an> Hi All
20:37:16 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa bri_an
20:37:17 <bri_an> is the meeting over?
20:37:31 <wilcal> Still going
20:37:32 <MageiaTJ> T'll be doing farm work out in the fields in a month.
20:37:39 <wilcal> Have you any M8 issues of note
20:37:53 <bri_an> none really.
20:38:05 <DavidWHodgins> kerberos is on my todo list to test
20:38:08 <bri_an> I was watching your discussion on bluegriffon
20:38:23 <wilcal> BTW Super Job to all for the rapid succession of M8 Kernal updates
20:38:30 <MageiaTJ> T'll=I'll. I plead arthritis.
20:38:42 <wilcal> Two ina week. Pretty impressive
20:38:50 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Yes. Thanks everyone. That went well
20:40:00 <neoclust> sorry i will do more updates in mga7 next days/weeks ;-)
20:40:01 <MageiaTJ> So far, M8 has been as stable for me as M7 was before it.
20:40:13 <DavidWHodgins> Just going to validate the kernel-firmware-nonfree
20:40:16 <neoclust> but i want to thanks the QA, you are responsive
20:40:27 <auroud85> Sorry being late
20:40:29 <neoclust> we have the best QA :)
20:40:53 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa auroud85
20:41:00 <MageiaTJ> neoclust: I won't argue with that. ;-)
20:41:04 <wilcal> Any M8 issues of note
20:41:06 <neoclust> MageiaTJ: :-)
20:41:29 <neoclust> wilcal: for kernel we have 2 good pieces
20:41:34 <neoclust> a perfect kernel maintainer
20:41:40 <neoclust> and the perfect QA
20:41:41 <neoclust> :)
20:41:54 <DavidWHodgins> M8 was nice in that there were no really major changes like adding uefi support, switch to systemd, etc.
20:42:25 <wilcal> David, I haven't seen a Mageia Kernal panic in years
20:42:36 <DavidWHodgins> Those were changes that really extended the version freeze period
20:42:45 <auroud85> See one KP testing arm build ;)
20:43:51 <wilcal> Do you know if the M8 ARM runs on the Raspberry Pi?
20:44:11 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, but I haven't gotten sound to work over hdmi yet
20:44:40 <Guygoye_> I would like to test it thes week-end
20:45:07 <Guygoye_> I have downloaded it today
20:45:18 <auroud85> It does run on rpi4+
20:45:42 <auroud85> but, seems latest build broke USB on my rpi4b 8Gb
20:46:31 <DavidWHodgins> Guygoye_: Wait for bug 28561 to get pushed to updates or enable the testing  repo for to install the kernel-firmware-nonfree package from testing repo or wireless will stop working after updates
20:46:33 <[mbot> Bug: ['Latest kernel-firmware-nonfree stops wireless from working on rpi4 model b', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28561
20:47:48 <DavidWHodgins> my rpi4 model b is only 4GB ram
20:48:00 <DavidWHodgins> usb is working on it though
20:48:11 <auroud85[m]> oh, good news.
20:48:18 <wilcal> I have a Pi 400 and that thing is sweet
20:48:40 <auroud85[m]> Is it possible new USB chips on rpi4 8Gb models?
20:49:01 <Guygoye_> I have Pi 3B+
20:49:16 <wilcal> I get very very good USB xfer rates on both my Pi 4's
20:49:23 <wilcal> 4 & 400
20:49:35 <auroud85[m]> DavidWHodgins: Will write adv this evening (Europe/Paris) ;)
20:50:08 <DavidWHodgins> Open a bug report and include lspcidrake -v output
20:51:01 <DavidWHodgins> Any other comments on m7 to m8 upgrades
20:51:20 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing updates - Any questions or problems
20:51:50 <DavidWHodgins> I've still been focusing on upgrade testing and debugging, so haven't looked at updates much.
20:52:08 <DavidWHodgins> As earlier, I'll test batik and krb5 later today
20:52:28 <auroud85[m]> M8 updates_testing: 5.10.22 kernel : Warning no virtualbox rebuild.
20:52:39 <auroud85[m]> Please stick with 5.10.20
20:52:48 <DavidWHodgins> As usual after a release there's a flood of updates from things that accumulated during the freeze periods
20:53:26 <MageiaTJ> Every time I shorten the list by validating, six more take its place.
20:53:35 <DavidWHodgins> auroud85[m]: That's normal for kernel updates until satisfisfied no more kernele changes needed. The kmod updates usually come later
20:53:43 <bri_an> yeah
20:54:13 <DavidWHodgins> Its not unusual for qa to get two or three kernel updates for everyone that eventually gets released
20:54:20 <auroud85[m]> Currently assigned to QA : chromium-browser-stable 89.0.4389.82 : It unexpectedly quit 4 or 8 seconds after launching.
20:54:30 <auroud85[m]> on x86_64
20:54:40 <DavidWHodgins> m8 or m7?
20:54:53 <auroud85[m]> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28534
20:54:54 <auroud85[m]> M8
20:54:55 <[mbot> [ 28534 – chromium-browser-stable new security issues fixed in 89.0.4389.72 ]
20:55:20 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. I haven't used it on m8 yet. Been working fine on my m7 system
20:55:21 <auroud85[m]> no segfault in system journal
20:55:32 <auroud85[m]> 88 version worked fine
20:55:55 <DavidWHodgins> Any message when running it from a konsole or other terminal?
20:56:10 <auroud85[m]> No messages in journalctl -f
20:56:25 <auroud85[m]> will see tomorrow morning with Konsole
20:56:32 <auroud85[m]> and eventually gdb it
20:56:52 <DavidWHodgins> Just installing it on my m8 laptop
20:56:54 <auroud85[m]> Eventually, will do a reboot right after installing it...
20:59:20 <DavidWHodgins> It's working fine here. Will use it for a while later to test it more.
20:59:48 <Guygoye_> Ok I can test it tomorrow
21:00:03 <auroud85> ohh
21:00:05 <auroud85> ok ;)
21:01:33 <DavidWHodgins> So everyone please try to test any update you know how to test, and feel free to ask for help to learn how to test those you don't (yet!). :-)
21:01:59 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Anything else?
21:02:03 <auroud85> I read more and more Len's reports ;)
21:02:08 <auroud85> OT: new baby born
21:02:10 <MageiaTJ> Could anyone try bug 28156?
21:02:12 <[mbot> Bug: ['[Update Request] fceux 2.3.0', 'NEW', 'Rémi Verschelde'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28156
21:02:30 <MageiaTJ> Herman tried it and from the looks of it got lost.
21:03:03 <MageiaTJ> Wrong bug bug 28158
21:03:05 <[mbot> Bug: ['guacd new security issue CVE-2020-11997', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28158
21:05:36 <MageiaTJ> Auroud85: Congrats!
21:05:40 <auroud85> thanks !
21:06:12 <DavidWHodgins> Hmm. for fceux, in m7 it has a tainted version
21:06:40 <MageiaTJ> David: I mistyped the bug#
21:06:56 <MageiaTJ> bug 28158
21:06:59 <[mbot> Bug: ['guacd new security issue CVE-2020-11997', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28158
21:07:19 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. I meant to do that one last week, and forgot about it. I'll put it back on my to do list
21:07:45 <DavidWHodgins> Got too wrapped up in upgrades.
21:07:51 <MageiaTJ> OK, good. It's been waiting for a while.
21:09:19 <DavidWHodgins> I don't see any others that haven't been tested before, so there should be old bugs that can be referenced for procedures used
21:09:19 <MageiaTJ> That's it from me, I guess.
21:09:29 <DavidWHodgins> Regarding covid
21:09:58 <DavidWHodgins> It's been a year since I asked "how many years would lockdown type restrictions be needed?"
21:10:16 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like another half year around here
21:10:28 <DavidWHodgins> Hope everyone is doing ok
21:10:50 <DavidWHodgins> Take care of yourselves and be careful. We need everyone!
21:11:08 <auroud85> Take care everyone!
21:11:08 <DavidWHodgins> That's it for me. Anything else else?
21:11:19 <MageiaTJ> I've heard lots of talk about curve-flattening and turning the corner. Makes me wish I'd paid more attention in high school geometry class.
21:11:27 <DavidWHodgins> lol
21:12:06 <DavidWHodgins> Either that or learned to ignore politicians, and just listen to the medical people.
21:12:28 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Looks like countdown time
21:12:31 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5
21:12:34 <DavidWHodgins> 4
21:12:36 <DavidWHodgins> 3
21:12:37 <wilcal> bye all
21:12:39 <DavidWHodgins> 2
21:12:41 <DavidWHodgins> 1
21:12:47 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone!
21:12:53 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting