20:04:03 <wilcal> #startmeeting 20:04:03 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Mar 11 20:04:03 2021 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:04:03 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:04:21 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 20:04:27 <wilcal> Anyone new here today 20:05:22 <wilcal> #topic Mageia 8 - Any issues 20:05:42 <wilcal> Are we having any issues with M8? 20:06:01 <wilcal> Two quick kernel updates since the last QA meeting 20:06:13 <wilcal> Exausted everyone 20:06:32 <wilcal> Both updates went through here without issue 20:06:52 <MageiaTJ> No problems here, either. 20:07:26 <wilcal> The first update fixed a major issue I was having that meing very unstable Plasma DE 20:07:56 <wilcal> I donno how many others were having the same issue but it was horrible 20:08:11 <wilcal> Anyway it's gone now 20:08:28 <Guygoye_> No problem here on my DE Plasma, XFCE, Gnome and LxQt 20:08:48 <wilcal> Kernal updates scare me 20:09:11 <wilcal> I haven't seen a Mageia kernal panic in years 20:09:15 <Guygoye_> I have made mail on ml about headset and sound output on Gnome 20:09:27 <wilcal> I have seen all that 20:09:38 <wilcal> hi filip 20:09:49 <MageiaTJ> system-config-printer didn't recognize my HP Envy Photo 7858, but hp-setup did. Seems to be working as it should, though I haven't used it much yet. 20:09:52 <wilcal> Explain to me what that is about 20:10:18 <wilcal> You see my recommend to move to an ePrinter 20:10:40 <wilcal> I'm done dealing with CUPS and hp drivers 20:10:54 <MageiaTJ> My new printer has that capability, too - should I choose to use it. 20:11:17 <wilcal> I went to it out of frustration 20:11:49 <MageiaTJ> I went to confifure the printer in MCC, and it showed as an unknown usb printer. 20:12:05 <wilcal> It is a lot slower then having the function locally. You are dependent on the HP ePrint server 20:12:30 <MageiaTJ> But hp-setup, part of hplip, correctly identified it and set it up. 20:12:46 <MageiaTJ> No muss, no fuss. 20:13:03 <wilcal> I am now going through all the M8 fuctions one at a time. I've transitioned to platforms here to M8 20:14:02 <wilcal> You've seen my ML messages on the loss of Bluegriffon 20:14:19 <wilcal> It looks like it is really lost not to return 20:14:45 <wilcal> So now we really have to official HTML Editor in the Mageia M8 repo 20:14:58 <wilcal> And that ain't good 20:15:12 <wilcal> AS bad as Bluegriffon was 20:15:14 <MageiaTJ> The eprinter thing wouldn't work well for me. I donn't print often, but when I do it can be a lot of things at once, sometimes things I wouldn't want in the cloud. 20:15:45 <wilcal> My problem is my inkjet cartridges dry out I use it so infrequently 20:15:47 <MageiaTJ> I don't trust the cloud. 20:16:18 <wilcal> Every Sunday I print a test page to keep the inkjet carts working and that does not help 20:16:42 <neoclust> Hi 20:16:48 <wilcal> Hi neo 20:16:54 <wilcal> thaks for being here 20:17:03 <wilcal> we're discussing M8 issues 20:17:14 <wilcal> Anything of note from you 20:17:32 <neoclust> we ( packagers ) need to deal with mga7-> 8 upgrade issues 20:17:33 <MageiaTJ> I'll probably have a similar problem with this one. I bought it mostly for the scanner. Do most of my printing with a color Laserjet these days. 20:17:38 <neoclust> to allow us to open mgaapplet 20:18:07 <MageiaTJ> I verified the M8 batik update. 20:18:42 <wilcal> With neo here I'll state again with the loss of Bluegriffon 20:18:44 <wilcal> So now we really have to official HTML Editor in the Mageia M8 repo 20:18:45 <wilcal> [12:14] <wilcal> And that ain't good 20:18:59 <DavidWHodgins> Sorry, didn't notice the time. 20:19:03 <wilcal> Hello David 20:19:04 <MageiaTJ> But I don't know how to test bug 28479 20:19:06 <neoclust> MageiaTJ: wilcal: yes btw for sec updates, when i can fix both at once i will do, but to not slow M8 sec updates release i will clone the bugreport when mga7 updates takes more time 20:19:06 <[mbot> Bug: ['batik package conflicts from upgrading Mageia 7 to 8', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28479 20:19:20 <wilcal> #chair DavidWHodgins 20:19:20 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins wilcal 20:19:38 <wilcal> I have a Laz-y-boy chair that eats me all the time 20:19:40 <MageiaTJ> Hi, Dave. 20:19:50 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa everyone 20:19:57 <wilcal> The open issue is any M8 issues 20:20:10 <MageiaTJ> There's a Barcalounger I have to avoid. 20:20:24 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: hello 20:20:25 <DavidWHodgins> Still the issue for opencv-devel causing file conflicts, breaking upgrading 20:20:29 <wilcal> You got the gavil Dave 20:20:37 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: i can take a look at it today 20:21:23 <neoclust> MageiaTJ: for 28479 you install batik from mga7 and then updates to mageia 8 20:21:29 <neoclust> to see if it updates cleanly 20:21:30 <wilcal> FWIW I've started the process of learning how to get Wordpress to work on M8. No easy task 20:21:54 <DavidWHodgins> That's the only issue I'm aware of that still needs to be fixed before we can consider enabling mgaapplet upgrading for everyone. 20:22:06 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: there is no issue with llvm ? 20:22:16 <neoclust> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28393 20:22:18 <[mbot> [ 28393 – Tracker: Upgrade Mageia 7 to Mageia 8 ] 20:22:43 <neoclust> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28007 ah this is devel packages so a little less important 20:22:45 <[mbot> [ 28007 – llvm-11.0 mga8 packages conflicts with mga7 llvm-devel packages when updating MGA7 to MGA8 ] 20:22:56 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Hadn't noticed that one. 20:23:24 <DavidWHodgins> Or rather had forgotten about it. :-) 20:25:00 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: tvignaud fixed llvm updates in mga9 ( updats mga8 -> mga9 ) 20:25:08 <neoclust> i will see to backport such change in mga8 updates 20:25:22 <neoclust> to allow mga7 -> 8 update 20:25:26 <DavidWHodgins> I need to test the ones with scriplet errors to see if they stop the upgrade process until ok selected, or are just cosmetic 20:26:03 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: for me the samba one, is cosmetics as it doesn't ( from what i remember ) updates 20:26:06 <DavidWHodgins> The file conflicts must be fixed as they may break upgrading depending on what other packages happen to be in the same rpm transaction 20:26:44 <DavidWHodgins> That's what I thought, but want to test to confirm it's just cosmetic and has no other impact 20:28:44 <DavidWHodgins> The java3d packages should be dropped from mga8 if they can not be fixed soon. 20:29:14 <neoclust> it has been removed from mageia 8 already 20:29:21 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Ok. Good. 20:29:23 <neoclust> the problem is when it is installed from mga7 20:29:36 <neoclust> it tells "hey man, where is my java3d?" 20:29:38 <neoclust> :) 20:29:49 <DavidWHodgins> The error message is correct, not a bug in my opinion 20:30:26 <DavidWHodgins> It should be listed in the errata if it isn't already, but otherwise is not a bug 20:30:27 <neoclust> not a bug but not good neither :-) 20:30:44 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: yes in the ERRATA is good 20:30:58 <DavidWHodgins> Might be a good idea to suggest it's removal in the preparations too 20:31:14 <DavidWHodgins> To avoid having the upgrade interrupted 20:31:51 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: should be added in task-obsolete ? 20:32:12 <DavidWHodgins> That would work too 20:32:44 <neoclust> ok i add on my todo :-) 20:32:44 <DavidWHodgins> Probably a better idea since it can not work on mga8 20:32:47 <neoclust> first the conflicts 20:33:35 <neoclust> yes and we will reintroduce it "IF" it gets fixed to work with java11 or we build it with java 1.8.0 as we still have it mageia 8 20:33:39 <DavidWHodgins> I thought batik had been fixed. Is it just waiting for testing? 20:33:39 <neoclust> i will try to see what is best 20:34:04 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: for batik we are just waiting for QA ok 20:34:26 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. I'll test an upgrade with it later today. 20:35:31 <MageiaTJ> Oh, good. Then I don't have to figure out how to do it. 20:35:52 <DavidWHodgins> So just llvm and opencv-devel that need fixing, an batik needs testing 20:36:23 <neoclust> damn i have more work on my plate :-) 20:37:00 <DavidWHodgins> Isn't there always :-) 20:37:07 <bri_an> Hi All 20:37:16 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa bri_an 20:37:17 <bri_an> is the meeting over? 20:37:31 <wilcal> Still going 20:37:32 <MageiaTJ> T'll be doing farm work out in the fields in a month. 20:37:39 <wilcal> Have you any M8 issues of note 20:37:53 <bri_an> none really. 20:38:05 <DavidWHodgins> kerberos is on my todo list to test 20:38:08 <bri_an> I was watching your discussion on bluegriffon 20:38:23 <wilcal> BTW Super Job to all for the rapid succession of M8 Kernal updates 20:38:30 <MageiaTJ> T'll=I'll. I plead arthritis. 20:38:42 <wilcal> Two ina week. Pretty impressive 20:38:50 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Yes. Thanks everyone. That went well 20:40:00 <neoclust> sorry i will do more updates in mga7 next days/weeks ;-) 20:40:01 <MageiaTJ> So far, M8 has been as stable for me as M7 was before it. 20:40:13 <DavidWHodgins> Just going to validate the kernel-firmware-nonfree 20:40:16 <neoclust> but i want to thanks the QA, you are responsive 20:40:27 <auroud85> Sorry being late 20:40:29 <neoclust> we have the best QA :) 20:40:53 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa auroud85 20:41:00 <MageiaTJ> neoclust: I won't argue with that. ;-) 20:41:04 <wilcal> Any M8 issues of note 20:41:06 <neoclust> MageiaTJ: :-) 20:41:29 <neoclust> wilcal: for kernel we have 2 good pieces 20:41:34 <neoclust> a perfect kernel maintainer 20:41:40 <neoclust> and the perfect QA 20:41:41 <neoclust> :) 20:41:54 <DavidWHodgins> M8 was nice in that there were no really major changes like adding uefi support, switch to systemd, etc. 20:42:25 <wilcal> David, I haven't seen a Mageia Kernal panic in years 20:42:36 <DavidWHodgins> Those were changes that really extended the version freeze period 20:42:45 <auroud85> See one KP testing arm build ;) 20:43:51 <wilcal> Do you know if the M8 ARM runs on the Raspberry Pi? 20:44:11 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, but I haven't gotten sound to work over hdmi yet 20:44:40 <Guygoye_> I would like to test it thes week-end 20:45:07 <Guygoye_> I have downloaded it today 20:45:18 <auroud85> It does run on rpi4+ 20:45:42 <auroud85> but, seems latest build broke USB on my rpi4b 8Gb 20:46:31 <DavidWHodgins> Guygoye_: Wait for bug 28561 to get pushed to updates or enable the testing repo for to install the kernel-firmware-nonfree package from testing repo or wireless will stop working after updates 20:46:33 <[mbot> Bug: ['Latest kernel-firmware-nonfree stops wireless from working on rpi4 model b', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28561 20:47:48 <DavidWHodgins> my rpi4 model b is only 4GB ram 20:48:00 <DavidWHodgins> usb is working on it though 20:48:11 <auroud85[m]> oh, good news. 20:48:18 <wilcal> I have a Pi 400 and that thing is sweet 20:48:40 <auroud85[m]> Is it possible new USB chips on rpi4 8Gb models? 20:49:01 <Guygoye_> I have Pi 3B+ 20:49:16 <wilcal> I get very very good USB xfer rates on both my Pi 4's 20:49:23 <wilcal> 4 & 400 20:49:35 <auroud85[m]> DavidWHodgins: Will write adv this evening (Europe/Paris) ;) 20:50:08 <DavidWHodgins> Open a bug report and include lspcidrake -v output 20:51:01 <DavidWHodgins> Any other comments on m7 to m8 upgrades 20:51:20 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing updates - Any questions or problems 20:51:50 <DavidWHodgins> I've still been focusing on upgrade testing and debugging, so haven't looked at updates much. 20:52:08 <DavidWHodgins> As earlier, I'll test batik and krb5 later today 20:52:28 <auroud85[m]> M8 updates_testing: 5.10.22 kernel : Warning no virtualbox rebuild. 20:52:39 <auroud85[m]> Please stick with 5.10.20 20:52:48 <DavidWHodgins> As usual after a release there's a flood of updates from things that accumulated during the freeze periods 20:53:26 <MageiaTJ> Every time I shorten the list by validating, six more take its place. 20:53:35 <DavidWHodgins> auroud85[m]: That's normal for kernel updates until satisfisfied no more kernele changes needed. The kmod updates usually come later 20:53:43 <bri_an> yeah 20:54:13 <DavidWHodgins> Its not unusual for qa to get two or three kernel updates for everyone that eventually gets released 20:54:20 <auroud85[m]> Currently assigned to QA : chromium-browser-stable 89.0.4389.82 : It unexpectedly quit 4 or 8 seconds after launching. 20:54:30 <auroud85[m]> on x86_64 20:54:40 <DavidWHodgins> m8 or m7? 20:54:53 <auroud85[m]> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28534 20:54:54 <auroud85[m]> M8 20:54:55 <[mbot> [ 28534 – chromium-browser-stable new security issues fixed in 89.0.4389.72 ] 20:55:20 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. I haven't used it on m8 yet. Been working fine on my m7 system 20:55:21 <auroud85[m]> no segfault in system journal 20:55:32 <auroud85[m]> 88 version worked fine 20:55:55 <DavidWHodgins> Any message when running it from a konsole or other terminal? 20:56:10 <auroud85[m]> No messages in journalctl -f 20:56:25 <auroud85[m]> will see tomorrow morning with Konsole 20:56:32 <auroud85[m]> and eventually gdb it 20:56:52 <DavidWHodgins> Just installing it on my m8 laptop 20:56:54 <auroud85[m]> Eventually, will do a reboot right after installing it... 20:59:20 <DavidWHodgins> It's working fine here. Will use it for a while later to test it more. 20:59:48 <Guygoye_> Ok I can test it tomorrow 21:00:03 <auroud85> ohh 21:00:05 <auroud85> ok ;) 21:01:33 <DavidWHodgins> So everyone please try to test any update you know how to test, and feel free to ask for help to learn how to test those you don't (yet!). :-) 21:01:59 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Anything else? 21:02:03 <auroud85> I read more and more Len's reports ;) 21:02:08 <auroud85> OT: new baby born 21:02:10 <MageiaTJ> Could anyone try bug 28156? 21:02:12 <[mbot> Bug: ['[Update Request] fceux 2.3.0', 'NEW', 'Rémi Verschelde'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28156 21:02:30 <MageiaTJ> Herman tried it and from the looks of it got lost. 21:03:03 <MageiaTJ> Wrong bug bug 28158 21:03:05 <[mbot> Bug: ['guacd new security issue CVE-2020-11997', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28158 21:05:36 <MageiaTJ> Auroud85: Congrats! 21:05:40 <auroud85> thanks ! 21:06:12 <DavidWHodgins> Hmm. for fceux, in m7 it has a tainted version 21:06:40 <MageiaTJ> David: I mistyped the bug# 21:06:56 <MageiaTJ> bug 28158 21:06:59 <[mbot> Bug: ['guacd new security issue CVE-2020-11997', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28158 21:07:19 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. I meant to do that one last week, and forgot about it. I'll put it back on my to do list 21:07:45 <DavidWHodgins> Got too wrapped up in upgrades. 21:07:51 <MageiaTJ> OK, good. It's been waiting for a while. 21:09:19 <DavidWHodgins> I don't see any others that haven't been tested before, so there should be old bugs that can be referenced for procedures used 21:09:19 <MageiaTJ> That's it from me, I guess. 21:09:29 <DavidWHodgins> Regarding covid 21:09:58 <DavidWHodgins> It's been a year since I asked "how many years would lockdown type restrictions be needed?" 21:10:16 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like another half year around here 21:10:28 <DavidWHodgins> Hope everyone is doing ok 21:10:50 <DavidWHodgins> Take care of yourselves and be careful. We need everyone! 21:11:08 <auroud85> Take care everyone! 21:11:08 <DavidWHodgins> That's it for me. Anything else else? 21:11:19 <MageiaTJ> I've heard lots of talk about curve-flattening and turning the corner. Makes me wish I'd paid more attention in high school geometry class. 21:11:27 <DavidWHodgins> lol 21:12:06 <DavidWHodgins> Either that or learned to ignore politicians, and just listen to the medical people. 21:12:28 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Looks like countdown time 21:12:31 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5 21:12:34 <DavidWHodgins> 4 21:12:36 <DavidWHodgins> 3 21:12:37 <wilcal> bye all 21:12:39 <DavidWHodgins> 2 21:12:41 <DavidWHodgins> 1 21:12:47 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone! 21:12:53 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting