20:03:19 <DavidWHodgins> #startmeeting 20:03:19 <Inigo_Montoya_> Meeting started Thu Jan 28 20:03:19 2021 UTC. The chair is DavidWHodgins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:03:19 <Inigo_Montoya_> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:03:27 <DavidWHodgins> #chair wilcal MageiaTJ 20:03:27 <Inigo_Montoya_> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MageiaTJ wilcal 20:03:34 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Who's new? - If you are then come and say hello 20:03:49 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who hasn't been to a qa team irc meeting before? 20:03:55 <MageiaTJ> Uh-oh. Making me work this week, eh? 20:04:13 <farmerbill> I'm new, green, and interested. 20:04:33 <DavidWHodgins> Hi farmerbill 20:04:42 <farmerbill> thanks for letting me sit in 20:04:42 <joselp> Welcome farmerbil 20:04:54 <MageiaTJ> Hey, another farmer!!! 20:04:56 <joselp> It had been a long time since 20:05:03 <tarazed> Hi farmerbill - we have two now 20:05:15 <DavidWHodgins> Please introduce yourself. I'm Dave Hodgins, leader of the qa team. Background in ibm mainframe software development 20:05:34 <DavidWHodgins> I'm in London, Ontario, Canada 20:05:49 <wilcal> Where it's probably cold today 20:05:56 <farmerbill> lol I'm more a wannabe farmer. Retired, do farmers markets, from MO but 30 years in Ohio. Worked in plant managemen 20:06:22 <DavidWHodgins> Just accross Lake Erie from me then. 20:06:34 <joselp> I'm from Spain 20:06:45 <farmerbill> Started with Mandrake, dual-booted Mandriva several years, been away long enough to have forgotten everything seems like 20:07:18 <wilcal> wilcal here now living in Sin City USA Las Vegas. Not much sin'n go'n on here now. 20:07:24 <DavidWHodgins> Have you subscribed to the qa discuss mailing list yet? 20:07:36 <MageiaTJ> I'm Tom Andrews, better known here as TJ. I'm a 71-year-old farmer from Central NY. 20:07:40 <tarazed> Edinburgh, Scotland. Astronomy, coding for 55 years. learnt nothing. 20:08:13 <farmerbill> DavidWHodgins, yes I've been subscribed for quite awhile 20:08:30 <DavidWHodgins> There's lots of info at https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Team_portal about the team, what we do, etc. 20:09:07 <MageiaTJ> I started with Linux with Mandrake, then Mandriva, now Mageia. 20:09:15 <wilcal> My instructors at MIT told me they were going to educate me such that I would recognize things I don't understand 20:09:18 <wintpe> Rayleigh, England, UK, electronics engineer and solaris, redhat unix sysadmin, 58 years old, now retired 20:09:39 <DavidWHodgins> What email address do you use? 20:09:57 <farmerbill> I started messing with punchcards and WATFIV but life gets in the way 20:10:20 <wilcal> I was a wiz at the punchcard machines at School 20:10:22 <DavidWHodgins> I was using Fortran IV, then WATFIV 20:10:45 <guygoye[m]> Hi farmerbill 20:11:25 <DavidWHodgins> Then COBOL, PL/1, Mark IV, RPG III, several versions of basic and asm 20:11:58 <farmerbill> DavidWHodgins, farmer.bill.ohio@gmail.com 20:12:04 <wilcal> I was pretty good with Stanford Basic on a TTY terminal :-) 20:12:06 <MageiaTJ> I used Fortran IV at Walter Reed back when I was drafted in '71-'73. 20:12:42 <DavidWHodgins> I was using it in High school, starting in 74 (13 years old). 20:12:58 <farmerbill> spaghetti BASIC on a Radio Shack Model IV, 64 kb of memory. hot times 20:13:39 <tarazed> We started with Agol 60 then went downmarket to Fortran IV 20:13:48 <DavidWHodgins> Easier to use then the original TRS-80 20:15:05 <DavidWHodgins> Anyway, Welcome to the qa team. Let's move on or the meeting will last forever. 20:15:20 <MageiaTJ> I had an Atari 800, back in the day. 48k. Well, I still have it. Still worked last time I tried it. 20:15:24 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing Mageia 8 RC - Release Blockers 20:15:47 <wilcal> http://madb.mageia.org/tools/blockers 20:16:15 <DavidWHodgins> There are two types of release blockers. Blockers for the RC iso images and blockers for the final iso images 20:16:42 <DavidWHodgins> bug 28006 is just clean up, so only a blocker for final iso images 20:16:44 <[mbot> Bug: ['3rd party kernel module packages that fail to build with current kernel', 'NEW', 'All Packagers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28006 20:17:14 <joselp> I've been waiting for the end of bug 24681 for a long time 20:17:16 <[mbot> Bug: ['"DM multipath kernel driver not loaded" message when running update-grub2', 'RESOLVED', 'All Packagers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24681 20:17:26 <joselp> How is this? 20:18:03 <DavidWHodgins> bug 24861 I've asked what the status is. While changes to sddm do have to be finished before the final iso images are built, I'm wondering if this should be downgraded to an enhancement 20:18:05 <[mbot> Bug: ['Modernize SDDM login screen', 'NEW', 'Atelier Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24861 20:18:06 <wilcal> Packagess should be out of the final version 20:18:29 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: Going through all the blockers in the order they are listed. 20:18:50 <joselp> Ok, Ok 20:18:55 <wilcal> Yes, please 20:19:23 <DavidWHodgins> If kept as a blocker, the sddm changes will only be a blocker for final iso images, not the rc iso images 20:19:51 <tmb> well, the sddm screen can be changed anythime *if* it's decided to do so... not really a release blocker 20:20:20 <DavidWHodgins> What about the plasma live iso 20:20:23 <wilcal> can we change the Priority to major 20:20:41 <joselp> I don't think it's a version blocker either, but it should be closed for the final isos 20:21:04 <DavidWHodgins> I'll follow up on that in the bug report 20:21:46 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like bug 28010 will be downgraded to major too 20:21:47 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, well different people have different view of what a screen shuld look like so... :) 20:21:48 <[mbot> Bug: ['Under certain circumstances, some (all?) programs that require root privileges will fail authentication when launched as normal user.', 'NEW', 'GNOME maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28010 20:22:25 <wilcal> Is that a really big job to clean up? 20:22:39 <tmb> wilcal, yes 20:22:59 <tmb> xinit scripts affect a lot of things, so a small change can have a big fallout 20:23:02 <DavidWHodgins> For bug 27377 this fix had been identified. Not sure if it's been applied yet 20:23:04 <[mbot> Bug: ['VLC plays audio but not video', 'REOPENED', 'Kernel and Drivers maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27377 20:23:41 <joselp> What about VLC? I don't have time to see everything ..... On my computer it works perfectly 20:23:42 <wilcal> So some testing today on this with the latest isos 20:23:49 <tmb> nope, no vlc change has been done yet 20:23:51 <DavidWHodgins> For bug 28154, tmb, status? 20:23:53 <[mbot> Bug: ['Live media not booting with some Radeon HD GPU or system installed with Classic ISO', 'NEW', 'Kernel and Drivers maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28154 20:23:59 <wilcal> the vlc-plugin-opengl 20:24:04 <wilcal> works just fine 20:24:05 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: It's a missing requires 20:24:13 <wilcal> I have question 20:24:24 <DavidWHodgins> go ahead 20:24:47 <wilcal> So in the latest iSOs Dragon is the default player and has the same problem I don't know how to fix that 20:25:05 <wilcal> can we change the default player to VLC and make the fix 20:25:56 <joselp> maybe it's better 20:25:59 <tmb> wilcal, I dont think kde team would agree 20:26:01 <wilcal> I want to publically thank Dave for helping me though this challanging testing of VLC 20:26:22 <DavidWHodgins> You're welcome. :-) 20:26:50 <joselp> Another Kde video player ?? 20:26:51 <wilcal> So Dragon is the KDE default player 20:27:27 <wilcal> I haven't fround an opengl plugin for Dragon 20:27:28 <joselp> wwwwooooww There isn't 20:27:50 <wilcal> I'll note this stuff in the bug 20:27:54 <MageiaTJ> Nothing stopping the user from changing that default. 20:27:56 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, for bug 28154 I want RC out so we can see if there is a big fallout.. unfortunately we dont have drakx code in place to properly handle radeon / amdgpu switching.. so manual intervention is needed for some 20:27:58 <[mbot> Bug: ['Live media not booting with some Radeon HD GPU or system installed with Classic ISO', 'NEW', 'Kernel and Drivers maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28154 20:28:14 <wintpe> i think dragon is one of those apps everyone removes as soon as install is finished, 20:28:20 <wilcal> LOL 20:28:23 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Ok. Thanks 20:29:06 <joselp> i think the same that wintpe 20:29:11 <tmb> but we should atleast add info in errata about how to switch driver 20:30:12 <DavidWHodgins> I have little experience with nvidia. My new laptop has both nvidia and amd gpus. 20:30:13 <neoclust> tmb: \o/ 20:30:30 <wilcal> I dumped all my nvidia stuff 20:30:32 <tmb> if i would be sure about how well amdgpu would work for all that it supports, I could patch the radeon and amdgpu to switch behaviour for those gpus 20:30:37 <DavidWHodgins> So far, Mageia 8 just works for that one. 20:31:03 <wintpe> im in the process of dumping nvidia, had enough of the wayland debacle 20:31:41 <joselp> I got rid of Nvidia, my slimbook Prox only with AMD 20:31:52 <wintpe> if only i could buy an amd card at the moment my 1070ti is worh its weight in gold 20:31:54 <wilcal> The latest intel graphics works for 99% of users. Including most gamers 20:32:16 <wilcal> except it needs opengl :-)) 20:32:24 <tmb> wilcal, then you dont know gamers :) 20:32:26 <wilcal> on VLC 20:33:00 <joselp> Although I have to admit that especially gaming laptops are still with nvidia ... 20:33:13 <MageiaTJ> But there are a LOT of users that don't have the "latest" Intel graphics. 20:33:25 <tmb> wilcal: a real gamer spends some 1500€ on a card, then overclock the hell out of it to get 1% more performance... 20:33:41 <DavidWHodgins> For bug 22274, I think that one is ready to close pending confirmation from the reporter. 20:33:43 <[mbot> Bug: ['drakboot should suggest "Mageia (<kernel flavour>) 7" as default choice, instead of "Mageia" or "Mageia (<the oldest version of a kernel flavour>) 7"', 'NEW', 'Mageia tools maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22274 20:33:54 <wilcal> Wow that's over my head 20:35:20 <DavidWHodgins> For bug 25251, wiki instructions have been updated. If we can ensure all screen lockers are disabled by mgaapplet, that would be good, but I'm ok with just wiki instructions. 20:35:22 <[mbot> Bug: ['Upgrading M7 to M8 via mgaapplet + user away -> normal level user locked out', 'REOPENED', 'Mageia tools maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25251 20:36:16 <neoclust> there is a dbus call to inhibit screensaver no ? 20:36:23 <DavidWHodgins> For bug 28129, I'll try running it under gdb to get a backtrace to help debug what's going wrong. 20:36:25 <[mbot> Bug: ['nemo hangs at start from launcher or terminal', 'NEW', 'Joseph Wang'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28129 20:36:52 <joselp> I think it's too early to try to upgrade from Mga 7, we need to fine tune this process, in the meantime, the version update in mgaapplet by default. 20:38:38 <tmb> and nemo can be fixed post release 20:38:44 <DavidWHodgins> Forcing the screen locker to be disabled may not be what some users want (computer in location where others have access), even if the only way they will know it's safe to reboot is if they switch to a terminal, and open a session there to check. 20:38:48 <auroud_85> neoclust: there is a dbus call for this. 20:38:57 <auroud_85> hi all, from bugsquad 20:39:09 <wilcal> hi aur 20:39:19 <wilcal> We talk'n M8 blocker 20:39:25 <wilcal> blockers 20:39:28 <auroud_85> yeah I see 20:39:30 <neoclust> tmb: yes this is a filemanager, this can be post release 20:40:03 <tmb> of course if we can fix it before, then better, but no release blocker 20:40:10 <neoclust> yeah :-) 20:41:27 <neoclust> tmb: btw there is a message from joseph for a test to be done in the nemo bugreport 20:42:06 <DavidWHodgins> For bug 28124, Martin says fixed in git/svn. Not sure if that fix is on the current RC iso images 20:42:08 <[mbot> Bug: ['Starting drakx11 in GNOME causes gnome-session to die and return to GDM login screen', 'NEW', 'Martin Whitaker'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28124 20:43:07 <joselp> Indicates that you are working on git 20:43:26 <joselp> Indicates that it is solucious in git 20:43:27 <auroud_85> DavidWHodgins: There are in drakxtools-18.42 already in Cauldron 20:43:32 <tmb> the fix is on isos, but the libx86 change broke some boots, so new RCs are needed (also to fix up radeon/amdgpu nokmsboot fallout) 20:44:35 <DavidWHodgins> So a 4th round of RC iso images soon. 20:44:36 <tmb> so basically the fixes is now that the vbe prober wont be called with the options that kills gnome, so good for release 20:45:24 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Bug 28124 closed 20:47:12 <wilcal> Easily 20:47:34 <DavidWHodgins> For the about cleaning up mga7 srpm files, there is still selinux-policy, vdr-plugin-xineliboutput, and dynagen (nonfree). 20:48:00 <auroud_85> we wait Neal for selinux-policy 20:48:11 <DavidWHodgins> Those are a blocker for final release, but not a blocker for the RC iso images 20:48:18 <auroud_85> yeah 20:48:47 <wintpe> question re selinux-policy 20:49:01 <DavidWHodgins> Regarding bug 27784, I thought we were dropping nextcloud 20:49:02 <tmb> and technically even if there is a "mga7" package, its not necessarily a release blocker... builds can be fixed post release too 20:49:03 <[mbot> Bug: ['Nextcloud 21 unable to be installed with Mariadb', 'NEW', 'Nicolas Lécureuil'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27784 20:49:12 <wintpe> are we considering selinux under mageia or is this something old 20:49:29 <DavidWHodgins> wintpe: Old, and has always been optional 20:49:38 <wintpe> ok 20:50:05 <tmb> well, we will probably enable low-level support for it in Mga9 20:50:29 <tmb> think glibc/systemd/... as some like the security illusion it gives 20:50:30 <wintpe> ive worked with it for years its realy good for servers 20:50:51 <wintpe> not sure about its applicability or practicality for workstation 20:51:54 <wintpe> as i said ive worked with it for years i know exactly what it does 20:52:23 <DavidWHodgins> I've asked on bug 27784 how it can be a blocker when it's supposed to be being dropped 20:52:25 <[mbot> Bug: ['Nextcloud 21 unable to be installed with Mariadb', 'NEW', 'Nicolas Lécureuil'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27784 20:54:06 <DavidWHodgins> For bug 28242, it would be nice to get it fixed and included in the 4th build of the RC iso images, but won't block the RC release 20:54:09 <[mbot> Bug: ['mageiawelcome: no acces to the draklive doc', 'NEW', 'papoteur'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28242 20:54:32 <wilcal> IS nextcloud a popular package for our users 20:54:52 <wintpe> the client is for me, but no way id run the server on mageia 20:54:59 <DavidWHodgins> For a very very small number of them. 20:55:15 <wilcal> but vocal 20:55:35 <DavidWHodgins> The packager is one of those users. :-) 20:56:12 <wilcal> My position would be that it's not on the Live-DVD's 20:56:45 <wintpe> id say make it repo only and remove from dvd 20:57:02 <tmb> the idea of nextcloud is nice, but imho the upstream update support model is insane ... but that's my opinion... 20:57:07 <wilcal> sounds like a plan 20:57:13 <tmb> it should not be on any isos by default 20:57:31 <DavidWHodgins> It isn't. I'm dropping the priority. 20:57:39 <wilcal> sounds like a vote to support it only on in the repo 20:57:49 <wilcal> Thanks David 20:57:56 <joselp> 28242 On my team he points to https://www.mageia.org/es/doc/ 20:57:57 <[mbot> [ Documentación de Mageia ] 20:59:04 <DavidWHodgins> I'm in favour of dropping the package completly from Mageia 8. It's a royal pain to test, and has a lot of security bugs. 20:59:07 <neoclust> tmb: then we drop nextcould 20:59:21 <neoclust> tmb: i am against a package doing git clones 20:59:34 <wilcal> I ike people who take a strong position Nice 20:59:54 <DavidWHodgins> And updates must be installed in order, with no skipping of missed updates. 21:00:20 <DavidWHodgins> Please do drop it. 21:00:34 <wilcal> Good progress today 21:00:35 <tmb> neoclust, yeah, I dont like the git idea either... I'd say document how / what to set up 21:01:05 <DavidWHodgins> Just a wiki page. Not a "get-flash" type rpm package. 21:01:08 <joselp> anything about 28242? 21:01:15 <neoclust> tmb: yes, a wiki page explaining how to install/configure on mageia is a good idea with the dropping 21:01:59 <neoclust> tmb: and we do not remove the idea to reintroduce it *if* the update process get saner. 21:02:16 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: As above. Hopefully fixed before next RC iso build, but not a blocker for the RC iso images, just the final iso images. 21:03:25 <joselp> If sure, I also do not consider it a blocker for iso rc, in fact on my computer it works correctly. Or I think it leads to the right documentation site 21:03:30 <leuhmanu> (quick hi, we can a public RC2 if needed no ?) 21:03:31 <tmb> neoclust, agreed... if someone want to figure out how to do multi-version upgrades that would be nice... 21:03:31 <neoclust> tmb: i proposed to remove nextcloud but reintroduce as backport. What do you think of this idea ? 21:03:44 <neoclust> tmb: if you say "bad idea", i accept :-) 21:03:59 <DavidWHodgins> leuhmanu: Yes, if the RC iso images generate serious bug reports. 21:04:19 <neoclust> tmb: i will hand on #netxtcloud chan a little 21:04:35 <neoclust> hang 21:04:44 <tmb> neoclust, yeah, since backports has already been (ab)used to handle the version jupms already I dont see a problem with that 21:05:32 <neoclust> tmb: ok :-) 21:05:33 <Benmc> good morning folks 21:05:52 <auroud_85> hi Ben, greetings from France ;) 21:05:53 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: You indicated earlier a question aboug bug 24681 21:05:55 <[mbot> Bug: ['"DM multipath kernel driver not loaded" message when running update-grub2', 'RESOLVED', 'All Packagers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24681 21:06:00 <neoclust> tmb: i remove it from repos but we won't add in task-obsoletes 21:06:01 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa Benmc 21:06:15 <tmb> neoclust, ok 21:06:17 <joselp> When I have lowered the Beta 2 of Mageia 8, it already indicates everywhere that it is Mageia 8 RC, by when we will have official announcement of the RC, if it is already install as such?? 21:06:20 <wilcal> Ben in the morning 21:06:29 <wilcal> 29 Jan 21:07:22 <neoclust> tmb: => removed. 21:07:24 <wintpe> hi Ben, from the UK 21:08:39 <MageiaTJ> Good afternoon, Ben. 21:08:52 <wilcal> I suggest we've all kinda reached our max here today 21:08:57 <farmerbill> hi Ben 21:09:00 <wilcal> Your call David 21:09:07 <wintpe> re joselp, we need to do another rc test install run first at least 21:09:21 <joselp> OK,Ok 21:09:32 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: When the rc iso images are released, they will be for new installs (and upgrade testing using classical iso images). If you already have the RC installed, the iso won't have anything to upgrade. 21:09:33 <Benmc> only real issue I have with i586 CI is nemo hangs bug 28129 21:09:35 <[mbot> Bug: ['nemo hangs at start from launcher or terminal', 'NEW', 'Joseph Wang'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28129 21:10:13 <DavidWHodgins> Benmc: I'll look at that bug later today. Going to give my eyes a rest for a bit first. 21:10:46 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Let's move on 21:10:48 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Anything else? 21:10:56 <wilcal> Not from me 21:10:58 <joselp> I have to do a clean install, when RC have been published 21:11:06 <joselp> Or the final isos 21:11:18 <auroud_85> Yeah, please assign first your BR to Bugsquad before assigning 21:11:26 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: Or both. :-) QA testing means a lot of installs. 21:11:45 <wintpe> not checked bugs yet , and only for interest but kvirc core dumps under wayland 21:11:54 <wilcal> I can do it in my sleep 21:12:04 <wintpe> ill log a non urgent bug tomorow if there isnt one 21:12:31 <DavidWHodgins> wintpe: Does it work ok under x11? 21:12:53 <wintpe> yes 21:13:09 <wintpe> using it now 21:13:31 <Benmc> wilcal: you get sleep 21:13:43 <DavidWHodgins> So gnome users should probably not use it. :-( 21:14:10 <wintpe> well i tried under kwin_wayland so cant say for sure its a problem there 21:14:51 <DavidWHodgins> Wayland support is still experimental, so a low priority bug that can be fixed post release 21:15:08 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like count down time. 21:15:08 <wintpe> yes thats why i will file a non urgent bug 21:15:08 <neoclust> yes won't don't use wayland by default afaik 21:15:13 <DavidWHodgins> T - 5 21:15:19 <DavidWHodgins> 4 21:15:23 <DavidWHodgins> 3 21:15:24 <wilcal> Bye all see yo'all next week 21:15:26 <DavidWHodgins> 2 21:15:27 <joselp> Goodbye all!! 21:15:29 <farmerbill> thank you all for the warm welcome 21:15:29 <DavidWHodgins> 1 21:15:31 <wilcal> Many thanks to Dave 21:15:31 <auroud_85> bye 21:15:34 <wintpe> stay safe everyone 21:15:37 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone. 21:15:56 <DavidWHodgins> farmerbill: Please post a msg to the qa discuss ml introducing yourself there too 21:16:04 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting