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20:03:27 <DavidWHodgins> #chair wilcal MageiaTJ
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20:03:34 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Who's new? - If you are then come and say hello
20:03:49 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who hasn't been to a qa team irc meeting before?
20:03:55 <MageiaTJ> Uh-oh. Making me work this week, eh?
20:04:13 <farmerbill> I'm new, green, and interested.
20:04:33 <DavidWHodgins> Hi farmerbill
20:04:42 <farmerbill> thanks for letting me sit in
20:04:42 <joselp> Welcome farmerbil
20:04:54 <MageiaTJ> Hey, another farmer!!!
20:04:56 <joselp> It had been a long time since
20:05:03 <tarazed> Hi farmerbill - we have two now
20:05:15 <DavidWHodgins> Please introduce yourself. I'm Dave Hodgins, leader of the qa team. Background in ibm mainframe software development
20:05:34 <DavidWHodgins> I'm in London, Ontario, Canada
20:05:49 <wilcal> Where it's probably cold today
20:05:56 <farmerbill> lol I'm more a wannabe farmer. Retired, do farmers markets, from MO but 30 years in Ohio. Worked in plant managemen
20:06:22 <DavidWHodgins> Just accross Lake Erie from me then.
20:06:34 <joselp> I'm from Spain
20:06:45 <farmerbill> Started with Mandrake, dual-booted Mandriva several years, been away long enough to have forgotten everything seems like
20:07:18 <wilcal> wilcal here now living in Sin City USA Las Vegas. Not much sin'n go'n on here now.
20:07:24 <DavidWHodgins> Have you subscribed to the qa discuss mailing list yet?
20:07:36 <MageiaTJ> I'm Tom Andrews, better known here as TJ. I'm a 71-year-old farmer from Central NY.
20:07:40 <tarazed> Edinburgh, Scotland.  Astronomy, coding for 55 years.  learnt nothing.
20:08:13 <farmerbill> DavidWHodgins, yes I've been subscribed for quite awhile
20:08:30 <DavidWHodgins> There's lots of info at https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Team_portal about the team, what we do, etc.
20:09:07 <MageiaTJ> I started with Linux with Mandrake, then Mandriva, now Mageia.
20:09:15 <wilcal> My instructors at MIT told me they were going to educate me such that I would recognize things I don't understand
20:09:18 <wintpe> Rayleigh, England, UK, electronics engineer and solaris, redhat unix sysadmin, 58 years old, now retired
20:09:39 <DavidWHodgins> What email address do you use?
20:09:57 <farmerbill> I started messing with punchcards and WATFIV but life gets in the way
20:10:20 <wilcal> I was a wiz at the punchcard machines at School
20:10:22 <DavidWHodgins> I was using Fortran IV, then WATFIV
20:10:45 <guygoye[m]> Hi farmerbill
20:11:25 <DavidWHodgins> Then COBOL, PL/1, Mark IV, RPG III, several versions of basic and asm
20:11:58 <farmerbill> DavidWHodgins, farmer.bill.ohio@gmail.com
20:12:04 <wilcal> I was pretty good with Stanford Basic on a TTY terminal :-)
20:12:06 <MageiaTJ> I used Fortran IV at Walter Reed back when I was drafted in '71-'73.
20:12:42 <DavidWHodgins> I was using it in High school, starting in 74 (13 years old).
20:12:58 <farmerbill> spaghetti BASIC on a Radio Shack Model IV, 64 kb of memory. hot times
20:13:39 <tarazed> We started with Agol 60 then went downmarket to Fortran IV
20:13:48 <DavidWHodgins> Easier to use then the original TRS-80
20:15:05 <DavidWHodgins> Anyway, Welcome to the qa team. Let's move on or the meeting will last forever.
20:15:20 <MageiaTJ> I had an Atari 800, back in the day. 48k. Well, I still have it. Still worked last time I tried it.
20:15:24 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing Mageia 8 RC - Release Blockers
20:15:47 <wilcal> http://madb.mageia.org/tools/blockers
20:16:15 <DavidWHodgins> There are two types of release blockers. Blockers for the RC iso images and blockers for the final iso images
20:16:42 <DavidWHodgins> bug 28006 is just clean up, so only a blocker for final iso images
20:16:44 <[mbot> Bug: ['3rd party kernel module packages that fail to build with current kernel', 'NEW', 'All Packagers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28006
20:17:14 <joselp> I've been waiting for the end of bug 24681 for a long time
20:17:16 <[mbot> Bug: ['"DM multipath kernel driver not loaded" message when running update-grub2', 'RESOLVED', 'All Packagers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24681
20:17:26 <joselp> How is this?
20:18:03 <DavidWHodgins> bug 24861 I've asked what the status is. While changes to sddm do have to be finished before the final iso images are built, I'm wondering if this should be downgraded to an enhancement
20:18:05 <[mbot> Bug: ['Modernize SDDM login screen', 'NEW', 'Atelier Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24861
20:18:06 <wilcal> Packagess should be out of the final version
20:18:29 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: Going through all the blockers in the order they are listed.
20:18:50 <joselp> Ok, Ok
20:18:55 <wilcal> Yes, please
20:19:23 <DavidWHodgins> If kept as a blocker, the sddm changes will only be a blocker for final iso images, not the rc iso images
20:19:51 <tmb> well, the sddm screen can be changed anythime *if* it's decided to do so... not really a release blocker
20:20:20 <DavidWHodgins> What about the plasma live iso
20:20:23 <wilcal> can we change the Priority to major
20:20:41 <joselp> I don't think it's a version blocker either, but it should be closed for the final isos
20:21:04 <DavidWHodgins> I'll follow up on that in the bug report
20:21:46 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like bug 28010 will be downgraded to major too
20:21:47 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, well different people have different view of what a screen shuld look like so... :)
20:21:48 <[mbot> Bug: ['Under certain circumstances, some (all?) programs that require root privileges will fail authentication when launched as normal user.', 'NEW', 'GNOME maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28010
20:22:25 <wilcal> Is that a really big job to clean up?
20:22:39 <tmb> wilcal, yes
20:22:59 <tmb> xinit scripts affect a lot of things, so a small change can have a big fallout
20:23:02 <DavidWHodgins> For bug 27377 this fix had been identified. Not sure if it's been applied yet
20:23:04 <[mbot> Bug: ['VLC plays audio but not video', 'REOPENED', 'Kernel and Drivers maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27377
20:23:41 <joselp> What about VLC? I don't have time to see everything ..... On my computer it works perfectly
20:23:42 <wilcal> So some testing today on this with the latest isos
20:23:49 <tmb> nope, no vlc change has been done yet
20:23:51 <DavidWHodgins> For bug 28154, tmb, status?
20:23:53 <[mbot> Bug: ['Live media not booting with some Radeon HD GPU or system installed with Classic ISO', 'NEW', 'Kernel and Drivers maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28154
20:23:59 <wilcal> the vlc-plugin-opengl
20:24:04 <wilcal> works just fine
20:24:05 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: It's a missing requires
20:24:13 <wilcal> I have question
20:24:24 <DavidWHodgins> go ahead
20:24:47 <wilcal> So in the latest iSOs Dragon is the default player and has the same problem I don't know how to fix that
20:25:05 <wilcal> can we change the default player to VLC and make the fix
20:25:56 <joselp> maybe it's better
20:25:59 <tmb> wilcal, I dont think  kde team would agree
20:26:01 <wilcal> I want to publically thank Dave for helping me though this challanging testing of VLC
20:26:22 <DavidWHodgins> You're welcome. :-)
20:26:50 <joselp> Another Kde video player ??
20:26:51 <wilcal> So Dragon is the KDE default player
20:27:27 <wilcal> I haven't fround an opengl plugin for Dragon
20:27:28 <joselp> wwwwooooww There isn't
20:27:50 <wilcal> I'll note this stuff in the bug
20:27:54 <MageiaTJ> Nothing stopping the user from changing that default.
20:27:56 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, for bug 28154 I want RC out so we can see if there is a big fallout.. unfortunately we dont have drakx code in place to properly handle radeon / amdgpu switching.. so manual intervention is needed for some
20:27:58 <[mbot> Bug: ['Live media not booting with some Radeon HD GPU or system installed with Classic ISO', 'NEW', 'Kernel and Drivers maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28154
20:28:14 <wintpe> i think dragon is one of those apps everyone removes as soon as install is finished,
20:28:20 <wilcal> LOL
20:28:23 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Ok. Thanks
20:29:06 <joselp> i think the same that wintpe
20:29:11 <tmb> but we should atleast add info in errata about how to switch driver
20:30:12 <DavidWHodgins> I have little experience with nvidia. My new laptop has both nvidia and amd gpus.
20:30:13 <neoclust> tmb: \o/
20:30:30 <wilcal> I dumped all my nvidia stuff
20:30:32 <tmb> if i would be sure about how well amdgpu would work for all that it supports, I could patch the radeon and amdgpu to switch behaviour for those gpus
20:30:37 <DavidWHodgins> So far, Mageia 8 just works for that one.
20:31:03 <wintpe> im in the process of dumping nvidia, had enough of the wayland debacle
20:31:41 <joselp> I got rid of Nvidia, my slimbook Prox only with AMD
20:31:52 <wintpe> if only i could buy an amd card at the moment my 1070ti is worh its weight in gold
20:31:54 <wilcal> The latest intel graphics works for 99% of users. Including most gamers
20:32:16 <wilcal> except it needs opengl :-))
20:32:24 <tmb> wilcal, then you dont know gamers :)
20:32:26 <wilcal> on VLC
20:33:00 <joselp> Although I have to admit that especially gaming laptops are still with nvidia ...
20:33:13 <MageiaTJ> But there are a LOT of users that don't have the  "latest" Intel graphics.
20:33:25 <tmb> wilcal: a real gamer spends some 1500€ on a card, then overclock the hell out of it to get 1% more performance...
20:33:41 <DavidWHodgins> For bug 22274, I think that one is ready to close pending confirmation from the reporter.
20:33:43 <[mbot> Bug: ['drakboot should suggest "Mageia (<kernel flavour>) 7" as default choice, instead of "Mageia" or "Mageia (<the oldest version of a kernel flavour>) 7"', 'NEW', 'Mageia tools maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22274
20:33:54 <wilcal> Wow that's over my head
20:35:20 <DavidWHodgins> For bug 25251, wiki instructions have been updated. If we can ensure all screen lockers are disabled by mgaapplet, that would be good, but I'm ok with just wiki instructions.
20:35:22 <[mbot> Bug: ['Upgrading M7 to M8 via mgaapplet + user away -> normal level user locked out', 'REOPENED', 'Mageia tools maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25251
20:36:16 <neoclust> there is a dbus call to inhibit screensaver no ?
20:36:23 <DavidWHodgins> For bug 28129, I'll try running it under gdb to get a backtrace to help debug what's going wrong.
20:36:25 <[mbot> Bug: ['nemo hangs at start from launcher or terminal', 'NEW', 'Joseph Wang'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28129
20:36:52 <joselp> I think it's too early to try to upgrade from Mga 7, we need to fine tune this process, in the meantime, the version update in mgaapplet by default.
20:38:38 <tmb> and nemo can be fixed post release
20:38:44 <DavidWHodgins> Forcing the screen locker to be disabled may not be what some users want (computer in location where others have access), even if the only way they will know it's safe to reboot is if they switch to a terminal, and open a session there to check.
20:38:48 <auroud_85> neoclust: there is a dbus call for this.
20:38:57 <auroud_85> hi all, from bugsquad
20:39:09 <wilcal> hi aur
20:39:19 <wilcal> We talk'n M8 blocker
20:39:25 <wilcal> blockers
20:39:28 <auroud_85> yeah I see
20:39:30 <neoclust> tmb: yes this is a filemanager,  this can be post release
20:40:03 <tmb> of course if we can fix it before, then better, but no release blocker
20:40:10 <neoclust> yeah :-)
20:41:27 <neoclust> tmb: btw there is a message from joseph for a test to be done in the nemo bugreport
20:42:06 <DavidWHodgins> For bug 28124, Martin says fixed in git/svn. Not sure if that fix is on the current RC iso images
20:42:08 <[mbot> Bug: ['Starting drakx11 in GNOME causes gnome-session to die and return to GDM login screen', 'NEW', 'Martin Whitaker'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28124
20:43:07 <joselp> Indicates that you are working on git
20:43:26 <joselp> Indicates that it is solucious in git
20:43:27 <auroud_85> DavidWHodgins: There are in drakxtools-18.42 already in Cauldron
20:43:32 <tmb> the fix is on isos, but the libx86 change broke some boots, so new RCs are needed (also to fix up radeon/amdgpu nokmsboot fallout)
20:44:35 <DavidWHodgins> So a 4th round of RC iso images soon.
20:44:36 <tmb> so basically the fixes is now that the vbe prober wont be called with the options that kills gnome, so good for release
20:45:24 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Bug 28124 closed
20:47:12 <wilcal> Easily
20:47:34 <DavidWHodgins> For the about cleaning up mga7 srpm files, there is still selinux-policy, vdr-plugin-xineliboutput, and dynagen (nonfree).
20:48:00 <auroud_85> we wait Neal for selinux-policy
20:48:11 <DavidWHodgins> Those are a blocker for final release, but not a blocker for the RC iso images
20:48:18 <auroud_85> yeah
20:48:47 <wintpe> question re selinux-policy
20:49:01 <DavidWHodgins> Regarding bug 27784, I thought we were dropping nextcloud
20:49:02 <tmb> and technically even if there is a "mga7" package, its not necessarily a release blocker... builds can be fixed post release too
20:49:03 <[mbot> Bug: ['Nextcloud 21 unable to be installed with Mariadb', 'NEW', 'Nicolas Lécureuil'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27784
20:49:12 <wintpe> are we considering selinux under mageia or is this something old
20:49:29 <DavidWHodgins> wintpe: Old, and has always been optional
20:49:38 <wintpe> ok
20:50:05 <tmb> well, we will probably enable low-level support for it in Mga9
20:50:29 <tmb> think glibc/systemd/... as some like the security illusion it gives
20:50:30 <wintpe> ive worked with it for years its realy good for servers
20:50:51 <wintpe> not sure about its applicability or practicality for workstation
20:51:54 <wintpe> as i said ive worked with it for years i know exactly what it does
20:52:23 <DavidWHodgins> I've asked on bug 27784 how it can be a blocker when it's supposed to be being dropped
20:52:25 <[mbot> Bug: ['Nextcloud 21 unable to be installed with Mariadb', 'NEW', 'Nicolas Lécureuil'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27784
20:54:06 <DavidWHodgins> For bug 28242, it would be nice to get it fixed and included in the 4th build of the RC iso images, but won't block the RC release
20:54:09 <[mbot> Bug: ['mageiawelcome: no acces to the draklive doc', 'NEW', 'papoteur'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28242
20:54:32 <wilcal> IS nextcloud a popular package for our users
20:54:52 <wintpe> the client is for me, but no way id run the server on mageia
20:54:59 <DavidWHodgins> For a very very small number of them.
20:55:15 <wilcal> but vocal
20:55:35 <DavidWHodgins> The packager is one of those users. :-)
20:56:12 <wilcal> My position would be that it's not on the Live-DVD's
20:56:45 <wintpe> id say make it repo only and remove from dvd
20:57:02 <tmb> the idea of nextcloud is nice, but imho the upstream update support model is insane ... but that's my opinion...
20:57:07 <wilcal> sounds like a plan
20:57:13 <tmb> it should not be on  any isos by default
20:57:31 <DavidWHodgins> It isn't. I'm dropping the priority.
20:57:39 <wilcal> sounds like a vote to support it only on in the repo
20:57:49 <wilcal> Thanks David
20:57:56 <joselp> 28242 On my team he points to https://www.mageia.org/es/doc/
20:57:57 <[mbot> [ Documentación de Mageia ]
20:59:04 <DavidWHodgins> I'm in favour of dropping the package completly from Mageia 8. It's a royal pain to test, and has a lot of security bugs.
20:59:07 <neoclust> tmb: then we drop nextcould
20:59:21 <neoclust> tmb: i am against a package doing git clones
20:59:34 <wilcal> I ike people who take a strong position Nice
20:59:54 <DavidWHodgins> And updates must be installed in order, with no skipping of missed updates.
21:00:20 <DavidWHodgins> Please do drop it.
21:00:34 <wilcal> Good progress today
21:00:35 <tmb> neoclust, yeah, I dont like the git idea either... I'd say document how / what to set up
21:01:05 <DavidWHodgins> Just a wiki page. Not a "get-flash" type rpm package.
21:01:08 <joselp> anything about 28242?
21:01:15 <neoclust> tmb: yes, a wiki page explaining how to install/configure on mageia is a good idea with the dropping
21:01:59 <neoclust> tmb: and we do not remove the idea to reintroduce it *if* the update process get saner.
21:02:16 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: As above. Hopefully fixed before next RC iso build, but not a blocker for the RC iso images, just the final iso images.
21:03:25 <joselp> If sure, I also do not consider it a blocker for iso rc, in fact on my computer it works correctly. Or I think it leads to the right documentation site
21:03:30 <leuhmanu> (quick hi, we can a public RC2 if needed no ?)
21:03:31 <tmb> neoclust, agreed... if someone want to figure out how to do multi-version upgrades that would be nice...
21:03:31 <neoclust> tmb: i proposed to remove nextcloud but reintroduce as backport. What do you think of this idea ?
21:03:44 <neoclust> tmb: if you say "bad idea", i accept :-)
21:03:59 <DavidWHodgins> leuhmanu: Yes, if the RC iso images generate serious bug reports.
21:04:19 <neoclust> tmb: i will hand on #netxtcloud chan a little
21:04:35 <neoclust> hang
21:04:44 <tmb> neoclust, yeah, since backports has already been (ab)used to handle the version jupms already I dont see a problem with that
21:05:32 <neoclust> tmb: ok :-)
21:05:33 <Benmc> good morning folks
21:05:52 <auroud_85> hi Ben, greetings from France ;)
21:05:53 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: You indicated earlier a question aboug bug 24681
21:05:55 <[mbot> Bug: ['"DM multipath kernel driver not loaded" message when running update-grub2', 'RESOLVED', 'All Packagers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24681
21:06:00 <neoclust> tmb: i remove it from repos but we won't add in task-obsoletes
21:06:01 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa Benmc
21:06:15 <tmb> neoclust, ok
21:06:17 <joselp> When I have lowered the Beta 2 of Mageia 8, it already indicates everywhere that it is Mageia 8 RC, by when we will have official announcement of the RC, if it is already install as such??
21:06:20 <wilcal> Ben in the morning
21:06:29 <wilcal> 29 Jan
21:07:22 <neoclust> tmb: => removed.
21:07:24 <wintpe> hi Ben, from the UK
21:08:39 <MageiaTJ> Good afternoon, Ben.
21:08:52 <wilcal> I suggest we've all kinda reached our max here today
21:08:57 <farmerbill> hi Ben
21:09:00 <wilcal> Your call David
21:09:07 <wintpe> re joselp, we need to do another rc test install run first at least
21:09:21 <joselp> OK,Ok
21:09:32 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: When the rc iso images are released, they will be for new installs (and upgrade testing using classical iso images). If you already have the RC installed, the iso won't have anything to upgrade.
21:09:33 <Benmc> only real issue I have with i586 CI is nemo hangs bug 28129
21:09:35 <[mbot> Bug: ['nemo hangs at start from launcher or terminal', 'NEW', 'Joseph Wang'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28129
21:10:13 <DavidWHodgins> Benmc: I'll look at that bug later today. Going to give my eyes a rest for a bit first.
21:10:46 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Let's move on
21:10:48 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Anything else?
21:10:56 <wilcal> Not from me
21:10:58 <joselp> I have to do a clean install, when RC have been  published
21:11:06 <joselp> Or the final isos
21:11:18 <auroud_85> Yeah, please assign first your BR to Bugsquad before assigning
21:11:26 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: Or both. :-) QA testing means a lot of installs.
21:11:45 <wintpe> not checked bugs yet , and only for interest but kvirc core dumps under wayland
21:11:54 <wilcal> I can do it in my sleep
21:12:04 <wintpe> ill log a non urgent bug tomorow if there isnt one
21:12:31 <DavidWHodgins> wintpe: Does it work ok under x11?
21:12:53 <wintpe> yes
21:13:09 <wintpe> using it now
21:13:31 <Benmc> wilcal: you get sleep
21:13:43 <DavidWHodgins> So gnome users should probably not use it. :-(
21:14:10 <wintpe> well i tried under kwin_wayland so cant say for sure its a problem there
21:14:51 <DavidWHodgins> Wayland support is still experimental, so a low priority bug that can be fixed post release
21:15:08 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like count down time.
21:15:08 <wintpe> yes thats why i will file a non urgent bug
21:15:08 <neoclust> yes won't don't use wayland by default afaik
21:15:13 <DavidWHodgins> T - 5
21:15:19 <DavidWHodgins> 4
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21:15:24 <wilcal> Bye all see yo'all next week
21:15:26 <DavidWHodgins> 2
21:15:27 <joselp> Goodbye all!!
21:15:29 <farmerbill> thank you all for the warm welcome
21:15:29 <DavidWHodgins> 1
21:15:31 <wilcal> Many thanks to Dave
21:15:31 <auroud_85> bye
21:15:34 <wintpe> stay safe everyone
21:15:37 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone.
21:15:56 <DavidWHodgins> farmerbill: Please post a msg to the qa discuss ml introducing yourself there too
21:16:04 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting