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20:01:10 <ZekeMX> bri_an - campeche?.
20:01:12 <wilcal> Welcome all to this weeks QA Meeting
20:01:25 <ZekeMX> Thank You wilcal
20:01:33 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
20:01:42 <wilcal> Anyone new here today
20:02:23 <wilcal> nope lets move to this weeks important subject
20:02:25 <wilcal> #topic M8 RC ISO testing
20:02:42 <bri_an> ZekeMx closer to McAllen, TX
20:02:57 <wilcal> I want to set the tone to what are the issues with this RC ISOs that would block it from releasing
20:02:59 <bri_an> I've luck with my upgrades, etc.
20:03:15 <bri_an> :-)
20:03:33 <wilcal> There are wrinkles in these ISOs. But, can they be corrected if this set is the final set
20:03:33 <MageiaTJ> Only problem I've had is with one particular AMD video card.
20:03:51 <wilcal> How old is that video card?
20:04:24 <MageiaTJ> I think it came out in 2012 or 2013.
20:04:46 <ZekeMX> I have problems with an NVIDIA Card... BUT..only with latest updates, with Classic Installer Beta 2 works great..
20:04:46 <MageiaTJ> Gimme a minute - I'll check.
20:04:57 <wilcal> The video problem I have is with a brand new Intel Ivy Lake gpu
20:05:08 <Benmc> some hardware issues, some software issues here
20:05:23 <wilcal> some apps work some don't VLC Don't and that's important
20:05:37 <wilcal> and that error is backed into these ISOs
20:05:48 <wilcal> baked into
20:05:53 <Benmc> no wifi available on low end systems via i586 CI- no lan port, so no internet
20:06:40 <Benmc> nemo  on working cinnamon
20:06:41 <wilcal> Lots of issues with Thunderbird on the QA ML
20:06:57 <wilcal> I think that can be fixed after release
20:07:20 <wilcal> My problem is likely a driver problem with the kernel
20:07:43 <MageiaTJ> There it is. The chip came out in January 2013.
20:07:46 <wilcal> Likely a kernel update in the future will fix that
20:08:21 <guygoye[m]> Good evening everybody
20:08:40 <MageiaTJ> My problem is that the Lives won't boot into Live mode.
20:08:40 <wilcal> We don't need to make the decision today but in the next week or so.
20:08:54 <wilcal> Thumbs up or down on this set of RC ISOs
20:08:54 <Benmc> guygoye[m]: hi
20:09:00 <MageiaTJ> I get a black screen.
20:09:11 <ZekeMX> guygoye[m] - Hola!
20:09:26 <wilcal> That's serious
20:09:31 <MageiaTJ> Hi, guygoye
20:10:06 <wilcal> My VLC problem is with only one of my platforms and not in Vbox clients
20:10:30 <Benmc> grub isnt installed if Lives not connected o internt prior to install start - grub  is downloaded at end of install.
20:10:30 <MageiaTJ> I suspect the formware, but I don't know enough to be at all confident that's the problem.
20:10:31 <wilcal> hi tar
20:10:41 <MageiaTJ> firmware
20:10:53 <wilcal> we're talking release blockers in the present RC ISOs
20:10:55 <Benmc> new set of isos I think tofix that
20:11:39 <wilcal> Is there a webpage listing the release blockers for this RC?
20:12:55 <tarazed> Don't know wilcal.  There should be I guess
20:13:47 <wilcal> I'll post that question on the QA ML
20:13:59 <wilcal> There needs to be
20:15:01 <Benmc> bug 28153
20:15:01 <MageiaTJ> There is a link from http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates but it's still labeled as for Mageia 7.
20:15:03 <[mbot> Bug: ["Live installer can't install bootloader packages if user has enabled remote repos with newer packages available and has no internet connection", 'NEW', 'Mageia tools maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28153
20:15:04 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
20:16:14 <MageiaTJ> Release blockers list : http://madb.mageia.org/tools/blockers
20:16:18 <Benmc> I think new spin of the Lives at least to fix this before release to community
20:16:28 <wilcal> Those are the kinds of things where a new set of M8 ISOs would have to be generated
20:16:36 <wilcal> We'd like to avoid that
20:18:02 <wilcal> That blocker page looks like it's for M7
20:18:18 <wilcal> hi pap
20:18:32 <ZekeMX> one question on Bug 28172... Should I keep using kernel 5.8 or lower to be able to use nvidia 340 drivers?.
20:18:42 <wilcal> we're talking release blockers for the present set of RC ISOs
20:18:48 <MageiaTJ> But if you look, there's been action just for the last few days.
20:19:02 <wilcal> there needs to be a page for that
20:19:10 <wilcal> so we're evolving
20:19:25 <brian__> ZekeMX you should be able to go 5.10.  I have a 340 on MGA7 running with 5.10
20:19:54 <ZekeMX> thanks Brian..
20:20:00 <wilcal> Just imagin someone 4-months from now trying to boot one of the ISOs and it can't do this or that. Is that ok
20:21:18 <brian__> the AMDGPU issue for TJ - I'm guessing that is an upstream fix that needs to go into the kernel
20:21:34 <wilcal> Lets talk about a couple hot issues on the ML
20:21:48 <wilcal> Thunderbird. What's the issue there?
20:22:41 <wilcal> I don't think that's part of the ISO and has to be installed. Then does something wrong?
20:22:53 <wilcal> That's not a blocker
20:23:08 <tarazed> The same old.  new versions of thunderbird have a tendency to wipe out or at least cut off access to stored data.  But it does not seem to affect everybody.  For me profile manager does not always help.
20:23:42 <wilcal> Thunderbird is NOT in the ISOs. Right?
20:24:06 <tarazed> TI have been sidetracked by trying to use a local mail server in conjunction with TB in an effort to isolate the data from TB.
20:24:18 <wilcal> Cool
20:24:32 <brian__> Not attached to gnome
20:24:52 <wilcal> Lots of spirited debate over Firefox. But I think that was mostly political. Too late to remove Firefox from M8
20:25:14 <tarazed> There is a lot of configuration, and in my case guesswork involved.  Peter and others have been very helpful so the odds are even that it will work eventually.
20:25:31 <MageiaTJ> I don't want to remove it, anyway.
20:25:40 <ZekeMX> Why remove firefox??.
20:25:56 <wilcal> I think Chrom is still a problem
20:26:03 <ZekeMX> Add Brave of somehing?
20:26:12 <ZekeMX> Or IE? LOL
20:26:14 <brian__> We need to keep firefox.  It just becomes a personal choice to install something else.
20:26:24 <wilcal> BlueGriffon works now
20:26:42 <tarazed> falkon is OK if clunky
20:26:59 <MageiaTJ> Some people don't agree with a statement made by (I think) one of the Mozilla people.
20:27:05 <brian__> yeah I've tried other distro's with odd browsers.  Two issues and I move on
20:27:19 <MageiaTJ> Political philosophy at work
20:27:30 <wilcal> So we'll revisit this next meeting
20:27:48 <wilcal> Removing Firefox from Mageia IMO is a non-starter
20:28:12 <tarazed> wilcal: not in isos - probably correct
20:28:36 <wilcal> Flash is gone
20:29:00 <MageiaTJ> Good.
20:30:10 <wilcal> I find that HTML5 is everywhere
20:30:50 <wilcal> so lets see an updated blockers list next week and maybe make a decision on new RC isos or not
20:31:48 <wilcal> lets move on
20:31:50 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
20:31:56 <MageiaTJ> Len, T-bird and Firefox both now have a "feature" where if you use a profile with a newer version then try to use it with an older one, it makes you create a new profile.
20:32:09 <MageiaTJ> Something is triggering that on your install.
20:33:02 <wilcal> List is still forever long
20:33:05 <tarazed> MageiaTJ: yes I  have tried profile manager and sometimes none of the profiles work - franly it is frightening
20:33:23 <tarazed> s/frankly/franly
20:33:35 <MageiaTJ> The list has been whittled down a little, but it's slow going.
20:34:05 <wilcal> Grown
20:34:11 <tarazed> Inevitable when isos are on test
20:34:14 <wilcal> Many thanks to all for working the issues
20:34:16 <wilcal> Yep
20:34:26 <wilcal> Keep a work'n on it.
20:34:44 <wilcal> Hopefully were close to release of M
20:34:46 <wilcal> M8
20:34:48 <tarazed> Sure thing
20:35:07 <MageiaTJ> There are a number of updates related to "php" on the list, and I know nothing about it.
20:35:16 <wilcal> Anything on the list that needs special discussion today?
20:35:30 <MageiaTJ> Instincts tell me there are too many to pass on just a clean install.
20:35:58 <wilcal> I agreed but we have limited people
20:36:03 <wilcal> and time
20:36:17 <MageiaTJ> I see virtualbox is there again.
20:36:20 <tarazed> PoC hunting is time consuming
20:37:15 <wilcal> Vbox and kernel can'tt be in the updates_testing repo at the same time
20:37:37 <ZekeMX> Will playonlinux or Phoenics on MG8?.
20:37:55 <wilcal> I don't know
20:39:06 <wilcal> Lets move on
20:39:08 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
20:39:48 <wilcal> I have recovered from my last weeks Shingles Shot
20:39:56 <wilcal> that thing is brutal
20:40:28 <ZekeMX> no wonder why you want to move to Rosaito
20:40:33 <ZekeMX> A lot of tequila there
20:40:48 <tarazed> usa: happy times again! (sorry for the forbidden topic)
20:41:01 <wilcal> stability
20:41:10 <wilcal> anything else
20:41:34 <MageiaTJ> Now if only we could get the vaccines moving out quicker...
20:41:47 <brian__> lol
20:42:01 <ZekeMX> I heard that on Arizona 1600 vaccinated per hour...
20:42:10 <wilcal> We could use The Donalds Vaccine distribution Plan. O Sorry there was none
20:42:12 <ZekeMX> I don't see that on my State per day
20:42:23 <ZekeMX> LOL
20:42:49 <tarazed> NHS nurse can do one per 4 minutes
20:42:54 <wilcal> My local WalMart indicated maybe covid vac there by end of month
20:43:04 <MageiaTJ> We could do 10 times what we are doing in my county in NY - IF we had the vaccine.
20:43:29 <wilcal> T-
20:43:32 <wilcal> T-5
20:43:34 <brian__> I think this is a group of engineering types.  It has a lot to do with production and handling distribution properly.  In U.S. we'll probably wipe out the existing supply in 2 weeks
20:43:43 <ZekeMX> I just drink a shot of tequila per day in the meantime!!
20:43:54 <wilcal> tThat's the best way
20:43:56 <brian__> well at least you'll be happy ZekeMX
20:43:59 <tarazed> Scotland is lagging - not many over 80s have not been contacted
20:44:09 <wilcal> T-4
20:44:17 <wilcal> Thanks all and see you again next week
20:44:20 <wilcal> T-3
20:44:26 <ZekeMX> have a great weekend all!
20:44:30 <wilcal> T-2
20:44:34 <wilcal> T-1
20:44:37 <wilcal> #endmeeting