20:00:58 <wilcal> #startmeeting 20:00:58 <Inigo_Montoya_> Meeting started Thu Jan 21 20:00:58 2021 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00:58 <Inigo_Montoya_> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:01:10 <ZekeMX> bri_an - campeche?. 20:01:12 <wilcal> Welcome all to this weeks QA Meeting 20:01:25 <ZekeMX> Thank You wilcal 20:01:33 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 20:01:42 <wilcal> Anyone new here today 20:02:23 <wilcal> nope lets move to this weeks important subject 20:02:25 <wilcal> #topic M8 RC ISO testing 20:02:42 <bri_an> ZekeMx closer to McAllen, TX 20:02:57 <wilcal> I want to set the tone to what are the issues with this RC ISOs that would block it from releasing 20:02:59 <bri_an> I've luck with my upgrades, etc. 20:03:15 <bri_an> :-) 20:03:33 <wilcal> There are wrinkles in these ISOs. But, can they be corrected if this set is the final set 20:03:33 <MageiaTJ> Only problem I've had is with one particular AMD video card. 20:03:51 <wilcal> How old is that video card? 20:04:24 <MageiaTJ> I think it came out in 2012 or 2013. 20:04:46 <ZekeMX> I have problems with an NVIDIA Card... BUT..only with latest updates, with Classic Installer Beta 2 works great.. 20:04:46 <MageiaTJ> Gimme a minute - I'll check. 20:04:57 <wilcal> The video problem I have is with a brand new Intel Ivy Lake gpu 20:05:08 <Benmc> some hardware issues, some software issues here 20:05:23 <wilcal> some apps work some don't VLC Don't and that's important 20:05:37 <wilcal> and that error is backed into these ISOs 20:05:48 <wilcal> baked into 20:05:53 <Benmc> no wifi available on low end systems via i586 CI- no lan port, so no internet 20:06:40 <Benmc> nemo on working cinnamon 20:06:41 <wilcal> Lots of issues with Thunderbird on the QA ML 20:06:57 <wilcal> I think that can be fixed after release 20:07:20 <wilcal> My problem is likely a driver problem with the kernel 20:07:43 <MageiaTJ> There it is. The chip came out in January 2013. 20:07:46 <wilcal> Likely a kernel update in the future will fix that 20:08:21 <guygoye[m]> Good evening everybody 20:08:40 <MageiaTJ> My problem is that the Lives won't boot into Live mode. 20:08:40 <wilcal> We don't need to make the decision today but in the next week or so. 20:08:54 <wilcal> Thumbs up or down on this set of RC ISOs 20:08:54 <Benmc> guygoye[m]: hi 20:09:00 <MageiaTJ> I get a black screen. 20:09:11 <ZekeMX> guygoye[m] - Hola! 20:09:26 <wilcal> That's serious 20:09:31 <MageiaTJ> Hi, guygoye 20:10:06 <wilcal> My VLC problem is with only one of my platforms and not in Vbox clients 20:10:30 <Benmc> grub isnt installed if Lives not connected o internt prior to install start - grub is downloaded at end of install. 20:10:30 <MageiaTJ> I suspect the formware, but I don't know enough to be at all confident that's the problem. 20:10:31 <wilcal> hi tar 20:10:41 <MageiaTJ> firmware 20:10:53 <wilcal> we're talking release blockers in the present RC ISOs 20:10:55 <Benmc> new set of isos I think tofix that 20:11:39 <wilcal> Is there a webpage listing the release blockers for this RC? 20:12:55 <tarazed> Don't know wilcal. There should be I guess 20:13:47 <wilcal> I'll post that question on the QA ML 20:13:59 <wilcal> There needs to be 20:15:01 <Benmc> bug 28153 20:15:01 <MageiaTJ> There is a link from http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates but it's still labeled as for Mageia 7. 20:15:03 <[mbot> Bug: ["Live installer can't install bootloader packages if user has enabled remote repos with newer packages available and has no internet connection", 'NEW', 'Mageia tools maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28153 20:15:04 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ] 20:16:14 <MageiaTJ> Release blockers list : http://madb.mageia.org/tools/blockers 20:16:18 <Benmc> I think new spin of the Lives at least to fix this before release to community 20:16:28 <wilcal> Those are the kinds of things where a new set of M8 ISOs would have to be generated 20:16:36 <wilcal> We'd like to avoid that 20:18:02 <wilcal> That blocker page looks like it's for M7 20:18:18 <wilcal> hi pap 20:18:32 <ZekeMX> one question on Bug 28172... Should I keep using kernel 5.8 or lower to be able to use nvidia 340 drivers?. 20:18:42 <wilcal> we're talking release blockers for the present set of RC ISOs 20:18:48 <MageiaTJ> But if you look, there's been action just for the last few days. 20:19:02 <wilcal> there needs to be a page for that 20:19:10 <wilcal> so we're evolving 20:19:25 <brian__> ZekeMX you should be able to go 5.10. I have a 340 on MGA7 running with 5.10 20:19:54 <ZekeMX> thanks Brian.. 20:20:00 <wilcal> Just imagin someone 4-months from now trying to boot one of the ISOs and it can't do this or that. Is that ok 20:21:18 <brian__> the AMDGPU issue for TJ - I'm guessing that is an upstream fix that needs to go into the kernel 20:21:34 <wilcal> Lets talk about a couple hot issues on the ML 20:21:48 <wilcal> Thunderbird. What's the issue there? 20:22:41 <wilcal> I don't think that's part of the ISO and has to be installed. Then does something wrong? 20:22:53 <wilcal> That's not a blocker 20:23:08 <tarazed> The same old. new versions of thunderbird have a tendency to wipe out or at least cut off access to stored data. But it does not seem to affect everybody. For me profile manager does not always help. 20:23:42 <wilcal> Thunderbird is NOT in the ISOs. Right? 20:24:06 <tarazed> TI have been sidetracked by trying to use a local mail server in conjunction with TB in an effort to isolate the data from TB. 20:24:18 <wilcal> Cool 20:24:32 <brian__> Not attached to gnome 20:24:52 <wilcal> Lots of spirited debate over Firefox. But I think that was mostly political. Too late to remove Firefox from M8 20:25:14 <tarazed> There is a lot of configuration, and in my case guesswork involved. Peter and others have been very helpful so the odds are even that it will work eventually. 20:25:31 <MageiaTJ> I don't want to remove it, anyway. 20:25:40 <ZekeMX> Why remove firefox??. 20:25:56 <wilcal> I think Chrom is still a problem 20:26:03 <ZekeMX> Add Brave of somehing? 20:26:12 <ZekeMX> Or IE? LOL 20:26:14 <brian__> We need to keep firefox. It just becomes a personal choice to install something else. 20:26:24 <wilcal> BlueGriffon works now 20:26:42 <tarazed> falkon is OK if clunky 20:26:59 <MageiaTJ> Some people don't agree with a statement made by (I think) one of the Mozilla people. 20:27:05 <brian__> yeah I've tried other distro's with odd browsers. Two issues and I move on 20:27:19 <MageiaTJ> Political philosophy at work 20:27:30 <wilcal> So we'll revisit this next meeting 20:27:48 <wilcal> Removing Firefox from Mageia IMO is a non-starter 20:28:12 <tarazed> wilcal: not in isos - probably correct 20:28:36 <wilcal> Flash is gone 20:29:00 <MageiaTJ> Good. 20:30:10 <wilcal> I find that HTML5 is everywhere 20:30:50 <wilcal> so lets see an updated blockers list next week and maybe make a decision on new RC isos or not 20:31:48 <wilcal> lets move on 20:31:50 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports 20:31:56 <MageiaTJ> Len, T-bird and Firefox both now have a "feature" where if you use a profile with a newer version then try to use it with an older one, it makes you create a new profile. 20:32:09 <MageiaTJ> Something is triggering that on your install. 20:33:02 <wilcal> List is still forever long 20:33:05 <tarazed> MageiaTJ: yes I have tried profile manager and sometimes none of the profiles work - franly it is frightening 20:33:23 <tarazed> s/frankly/franly 20:33:35 <MageiaTJ> The list has been whittled down a little, but it's slow going. 20:34:05 <wilcal> Grown 20:34:11 <tarazed> Inevitable when isos are on test 20:34:14 <wilcal> Many thanks to all for working the issues 20:34:16 <wilcal> Yep 20:34:26 <wilcal> Keep a work'n on it. 20:34:44 <wilcal> Hopefully were close to release of M 20:34:46 <wilcal> M8 20:34:48 <tarazed> Sure thing 20:35:07 <MageiaTJ> There are a number of updates related to "php" on the list, and I know nothing about it. 20:35:16 <wilcal> Anything on the list that needs special discussion today? 20:35:30 <MageiaTJ> Instincts tell me there are too many to pass on just a clean install. 20:35:58 <wilcal> I agreed but we have limited people 20:36:03 <wilcal> and time 20:36:17 <MageiaTJ> I see virtualbox is there again. 20:36:20 <tarazed> PoC hunting is time consuming 20:37:15 <wilcal> Vbox and kernel can'tt be in the updates_testing repo at the same time 20:37:37 <ZekeMX> Will playonlinux or Phoenics on MG8?. 20:37:55 <wilcal> I don't know 20:39:06 <wilcal> Lets move on 20:39:08 <wilcal> #topic Anything else? 20:39:48 <wilcal> I have recovered from my last weeks Shingles Shot 20:39:56 <wilcal> that thing is brutal 20:40:28 <ZekeMX> no wonder why you want to move to Rosaito 20:40:33 <ZekeMX> A lot of tequila there 20:40:48 <tarazed> usa: happy times again! (sorry for the forbidden topic) 20:41:01 <wilcal> stability 20:41:10 <wilcal> anything else 20:41:34 <MageiaTJ> Now if only we could get the vaccines moving out quicker... 20:41:47 <brian__> lol 20:42:01 <ZekeMX> I heard that on Arizona 1600 vaccinated per hour... 20:42:10 <wilcal> We could use The Donalds Vaccine distribution Plan. O Sorry there was none 20:42:12 <ZekeMX> I don't see that on my State per day 20:42:23 <ZekeMX> LOL 20:42:49 <tarazed> NHS nurse can do one per 4 minutes 20:42:54 <wilcal> My local WalMart indicated maybe covid vac there by end of month 20:43:04 <MageiaTJ> We could do 10 times what we are doing in my county in NY - IF we had the vaccine. 20:43:29 <wilcal> T- 20:43:32 <wilcal> T-5 20:43:34 <brian__> I think this is a group of engineering types. It has a lot to do with production and handling distribution properly. In U.S. we'll probably wipe out the existing supply in 2 weeks 20:43:43 <ZekeMX> I just drink a shot of tequila per day in the meantime!! 20:43:54 <wilcal> tThat's the best way 20:43:56 <brian__> well at least you'll be happy ZekeMX 20:43:59 <tarazed> Scotland is lagging - not many over 80s have not been contacted 20:44:09 <wilcal> T-4 20:44:17 <wilcal> Thanks all and see you again next week 20:44:20 <wilcal> T-3 20:44:26 <ZekeMX> have a great weekend all! 20:44:30 <wilcal> T-2 20:44:34 <wilcal> T-1 20:44:37 <wilcal> #endmeeting