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19:59:50 <Inigo_Montoya_> wilcal: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
20:00:03 <wilcal> lol
20:00:08 <wilcal> tried to start two meetings
20:00:21 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
20:00:29 <wilcal> anyone new here today?
20:00:48 <Benmc> just how much eggnog did you have?
20:01:05 <wilcal> Lets move to
20:01:06 <wilcal> #topic M8 ISO testing
20:01:27 <wilcal> I looked at the new isos and found some things
20:01:47 <Benmc> same here
20:01:56 <wilcal> noted it in the PAd
20:02:16 <wilcal> Mostly with resolution in a Vbox client
20:02:38 <wilcal> Also did anyone notice some instability in the repos
20:02:47 <wilcal> both princeton and kernel
20:02:50 <Benmc> text seems to be incorrrect resolution (intel) when booting up
20:03:04 <Benmc> princeton , and feeders, yes
20:03:22 <wilcal> Best Vbox resolution I could get in a couple was 480x320
20:03:24 <MageiaTJ> princeton was down for a day or two, but is back up now.
20:03:29 <wilcal> so noted in pad
20:03:55 <wilcal> also the princeton repo had errors
20:04:06 <wilcal> seems ok today
20:04:19 <Benmc> xine and polari are problematic
20:04:20 <bri_an> I saw that on some other repo locations.
20:04:35 <Benmc> also hugin fails
20:05:00 <wilcal> thanks for reporting that. Not just me
20:05:02 <Luigi12> I've noticed a goofiness a few times with kernel.org....looks like it's sitting behind a load balancer where sometimes one of the servers is behind the other one
20:06:12 <Benmc> Xfce still has flashing/ stuttering at login, seems to be DM independent
20:06:13 <wilcal> One way I check that is to clear all the repo in an install and let it try to autofill the repo. And it gets errors
20:06:20 <MageiaTJ> I've only worked with the CI on a test partition of my production's real hardware, found a relatively minor problem with Plasma and printing.
20:06:58 <wilcal> CI Plasma, x86_64 install on real hardware worked but getting a workable repo did not
20:07:08 <MageiaTJ> Acts like a QT/Plasma problem, not the iso, so I just filed a bug on it. No need for adding it to the pad.
20:07:20 <bri_an> Benmc I saw that with Xfce on nouveau.  Turned off some of the graphics features in XFdrake and resolved.
20:07:51 <Benmc> I have it on intel stuff
20:07:52 <bri_an> tested Plasma - seems okay on my system, but no printer installs yet.
20:08:01 <bri_an> Testing gnome on this laptop - so far so good
20:08:10 <bri_an> test mate - seems ok
20:08:23 <bri_an> Xfce - lock-up, but pretty sure it is machine issue
20:08:31 <Benmc> did you get my email re lewis script?
20:08:37 <wilcal> tOOooOOoO lots of wrinkles
20:08:46 <MageiaTJ> wilcal: I used distrib-coffee when princeton had problems, and that worked OK.
20:09:05 <wilcal> much slower to me
20:09:07 <bri_an> vaguely remember it benmc,  I didn't pursue
20:09:27 <Benmc> have a issue with parole- some .mp4 playback locks up machine - need to hard reboot
20:09:44 <MageiaTJ> slower and working is better than faster with trouble.
20:09:51 <wilcal> :-)
20:10:35 <wilcal> does anyone have an idea of why so much instability
20:10:39 <Benmc> seems to be my low spec systems- atm and ex-chromebooks
20:10:49 <Benmc> atm/ atom
20:11:36 <bri_an> yeah - that's what I'm seeing.  Low spec having some issues.  regular equip okay
20:12:18 <MageiaTJ> Parole has always been kind of jerky on my old 32-bit Inspiron. VLC works MUCH better.
20:14:03 <Benmc> this is a full lockup- the real clock seconds flicker between 2 values ie 21 & 21
20:14:08 <bri_an> ;-) mplayer from the command line
20:14:31 <bri_an> interesting
20:14:52 <Benmc> oops 22 & 21
20:15:01 <wilcal> my terminal backup app is ffplay
20:15:35 <bri_an> Benmc did that work on MGA7.  I've always found parole flaky
20:16:28 <Benmc> no trouble at all. Vlc plays the same files without issue on the same installs
20:17:52 <bri_an> ok
20:17:59 <Benmc> have made up a bug, see what happens
20:18:09 <MageiaTJ> A codec issue perhaps?
20:18:52 <Benmc> maybe, the Lives are problematic, the CIs are ok
20:21:22 <Benmc> moving on?
20:21:26 <wilcal> So more work to be done on the isos
20:21:39 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
20:21:46 <wilcal> huge dump of updates
20:22:25 <MageiaTJ> Some have been there quite a while.
20:22:40 <wilcal> developers were involved with M8 when the freeze went in they turned loose a bunchg
20:23:51 <MageiaTJ> I'll look at the ones with OKs after the meeting, and probably validate them. But there aren't many.
20:23:55 <wilcal> I went through the kernel a couple days ago and that looked fine
20:24:47 <MageiaTJ> Whenever we have a long list like this, there are always so MANY that I feel incompetent to test.
20:25:10 <wilcal> As in most of them
20:25:29 <wilcal> the ole if it installs/updates cleanly then ok to push
20:26:06 <MageiaTJ> That can get us into trouble if applied too liberally.
20:26:44 <MageiaTJ> We are supposed to be more than just a rubber stamp.
20:27:47 <wilcal> I agree. Maybe some of the Dev team can help with testing
20:28:00 <wilcal> people who know some of these apps
20:28:20 <Luigi12> what would be more helpful is if some of our users out there would help, the people that actually use this stuff
20:28:48 <wilcal> Agreed luigi
20:29:04 <wilcal> A bunch of these I've never seen before
20:29:19 <MageiaTJ> Some of the ones that reported the problem in the first place
20:29:53 <wilcal> Maybe just make a note in the bug to have reporter test it
20:31:01 <MageiaTJ> But, with security updates, that's usually luigi.
20:31:50 <wilcal> And he's just following a security thing with maybe not fully understaning the app
20:32:12 <MageiaTJ> True.
20:32:21 <Luigi12> yeah I can't test this stuff :D
20:33:04 <wilcal> so that kinda falls back on the if it updates without error then we kinda have to push it. Some of those are pretty complex
20:33:38 <wilcal> I seem to remember having problems finding someone who knew how to test squeralmail
20:34:06 <MageiaTJ> Yeah, I don't need to build a new carreer.
20:34:34 <MageiaTJ> Looking back at old updates helps. Sometimes.
20:34:49 <wilcal> Anyway at this point do as best you can
20:35:08 <wilcal> Lets move on
20:35:10 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
20:35:42 <wilcal> I apologize to my international friends here. America is an embarrisment right now
20:36:19 <Luigi12> I keep hearing about this 25th amendment that might help
20:36:28 <Luigi12> but obviously it wouldn't make all the problems go away
20:36:49 <wilcal> I don't think that's gonna happenn. Only 13-days left and he's legally gone
20:37:12 <wilcal> Doesn't mean he'll actually move on or squat in the Whitehouse
20:37:43 <MageiaTJ> That provides a procedure for the Vice President and Cabinet to remove the President if he can't perform his duties. It's never been used.
20:37:59 <wilcal> BTW ffrom what I am hearing he really is no longer functioning at President. VP Pence is
20:37:59 <MageiaTJ> 25th Amendment.
20:38:31 <wilcal> Members of his Cabinit are resigning
20:38:40 <Luigi12> yeah I heard that too, even a rumor that 25 has already been invoked and they're just not announcing it
20:39:22 <MageiaTJ> Lots of rumors always floating around.
20:40:02 <Luigi12> true
20:40:07 <wilcal> One of the main challanges in my career was to handle questions from my International customers
20:40:55 <MageiaTJ> Rumors are the stuff of which conspiracy theories are made.
20:41:05 <wilcal> How it effected me was that probably the biggest concern of Europeans was trusting Americans. So there I sat in front of my German customer by myself
20:41:36 <wilcal> ASking for the next purchase order
20:42:17 <wilcal> anyway hopeflly things will have settled some by next meeting
20:42:36 <wilcal> anyting else
20:42:47 <Benmc> need to look at the deeper cause- yeterday was just the result
20:43:32 <wilcal> We many see the emergence of an old American Political Partyy - The Whigs
20:43:45 <wilcal> Countdown time
20:43:51 <wilcal> T-5
20:44:13 <wilcal> T-4
20:44:15 <MageiaTJ> I hope they find a new name
20:44:31 <wilcal> 19th Century Party
20:44:37 <wilcal> &-3
20:44:45 <wilcal> T-3
20:44:50 <wilcal> T-2
20:44:55 <Luigi12> the cause is the two-party polictical system
20:45:05 <wilcal> Bye all see you next week
20:45:18 <wilcal> A 3rd Party would detroy the Republican Party
20:45:24 <wilcal> T-1
20:45:26 <wilcal> bye all
20:45:29 <wilcal> #endmeeting