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20:01:55 <wilcal> welcome all to another qa meeting
20:01:59 <MageiaTJ> NY runs from 6am until 9pm, and as a worker I show up at 5am.
20:02:18 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
20:02:24 <wilcal> Anyone new here today
20:02:57 <wilcal> nope
20:02:59 <wilcal> #topic M8 Beta 1 testing
20:03:16 <wilcal> There was a very big update yesterday and that went well here
20:03:36 <wilcal> Still no schedule for the next ISOs
20:03:44 <wilcal> at least as I have seen
20:04:05 <auroud85> M8 still stable. Packages still don't built well.
20:04:13 <MageiaTJ> Still more packages that won't build, I suppose.
20:04:27 <wilcal> So that's the reason things are going slowly
20:04:43 <Benmc> good morning folks
20:04:45 <wilcal> Hi Ben
20:04:51 <auroud85> waiting for Nvidia to release updated drivers
20:04:56 <auroud85> for 5.9
20:05:29 <wilcal> I'm still using it daily but not as my main system
20:05:30 <MageiaTJ> Perhaps there should be a blog post that it's being worked on and progress is being made.
20:05:39 <auroud85> Actual works well for X11 and 3D. openCL and CUDA are dead on 5.9 Kernel.
20:05:44 <wilcal> I agree TJ
20:05:48 <MageiaTJ> Just to let people know we're still alive.
20:06:23 <wilcal> The M8 repo is very active. I see that everyday
20:06:34 <wilcal> Way more active then M7.1
20:07:22 <auroud85> Meanwhile, on desktop side, Plasma is 5.20.2, Gnome 3.38.2, XFCE 4.16 is around corner for mid-november release.
20:07:46 <Benmc> maybe beta 2 after?
20:07:57 <auroud85> Plasma is stable enough on X11 and partially unstable on wayland with nvidia.
20:07:59 <wilcal> That sounds like a good plan
20:08:35 <auroud85> talking XFCE, 4.15 devel in in M8 since yesterday/today...
20:08:41 <wilcal> I'd really like to continue to challange the relevancy of Nvidia
20:09:09 <wilcal> Basic question: Why do you need Nvidia?
20:09:28 <Benmc> (TJ, are you the tall or not so tall one on farm F/B  page?)
20:09:29 <auroud85> https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/nvidia-driver-not-yet-supported-for-linux-kernel-5-9/157263
20:09:30 <[mbot> [ NVIDIA Driver not yet supported for Linux Kernel 5.9+ - CUDA Setup and Installation - NVIDIA Developer Forums ]
20:09:49 <MageiaTJ> The not so tall one.
20:10:18 <MageiaTJ> The distinguished-looking older gentleman. ;)
20:10:49 <wilcal> Any timeframe when Nvidia will work with 5.9?
20:11:06 <auroud85> they said until end of November
20:11:11 <wilcal> Is Nvidia now really just for the 2% of us that are gamers
20:11:37 <auroud85> new amd 6000 serie are sexy...
20:11:49 <wilcal> Not that I am advocating dropping nvidia support because of the legacy of hardware
20:12:09 <MageiaTJ> Wilcal, gamers may need it, and other high-resolution apps. And there are Linux gamers.
20:12:28 <wilcal> It's just going forward are we catering to 2% of the users and using 80% of our energy to do that
20:14:22 <wilcal> Also note that my only Nvida platform died about 5-months ago and I replaced it with a non-Nvidia laptop that's like 10x faster then that old thing
20:14:37 <wilcal> Intel graphics
20:14:59 <wilcal> anyway food for thought.
20:15:32 <wilcal> Anything else on M8. Sounds like some bug updates by end of month
20:15:55 <auroud85> yeah.
20:16:17 <wilcal> Also we're going into the Holiday Season and things slow down around 15 Dec and don't get back going to 2nd week Jan
20:16:39 <auroud85> Lockdown in France for now.
20:17:01 <MageiaTJ> Covid issues?
20:17:04 <wilcal> Lets move on
20:17:04 <bri_an> Hi all Sorry I'm late
20:17:07 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
20:17:43 <auroud85> Big here ! 17 (security: 15, bugfix: 2)
20:17:51 <wilcal> Some new stuff in there to work on
20:18:42 <wilcal> Anything there that's needs discussion
20:18:48 <MageiaTJ> And some that have been there for two weeks.
20:19:50 <wilcal> That spice thing takes some skills I don't have
20:20:10 <wilcal> I wish it was the circuit sim spice :-))
20:20:11 <tarazed> docker is ok for me.
20:20:13 <MageiaTJ> As usual, I feel my skills aren't always up to the task, either.
20:20:25 <tarazed> Same here
20:20:32 <wilcal> if it updates cleanly that's the best we can do
20:21:02 <wilcal> many/most of these apps are career builders. If you know how to test it you can get a pertty good job somewhere
20:21:39 <auroud85> wilcal: Yeah! for sure!
20:21:48 <MageiaTJ> I have a pretty good job already... A great boss...
20:22:24 <wilcal> the java openjdk is one such app
20:23:06 <wilcal> MariaDB is another
20:23:33 <wilcal> Althogh MariaDB is not all that hard to make sure it's running ok
20:23:50 <wilcal> Anything else in there
20:24:17 <wilcal> Lets move on
20:24:18 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
20:24:23 <wilcal> Anthing else
20:24:33 <auroud85> Nope.
20:25:12 <wilcal> Las Vegas is very very quiet today. I rode my bike to the mail Election counting Center in the State and there was one lonly policeman nearby and 100's of reporters and cameramen
20:25:23 <wilcal> main Election
20:25:43 <wilcal> very quite all over the City
20:26:00 <tarazed> We have fireworks all evening
20:26:18 <auroud85> Nevada will go for Biden...
20:26:29 <wilcal> OOoOOo IMO we are seeing the death of an industry.
20:26:44 <MageiaTJ> They won't start counting absentees in my county for another 4-5 days.
20:26:50 <wilcal> The Poll Taking industry really really shot itself in the foot again
20:27:13 <wilcal> I don't see why anyone would pay anyone anything in that industry anymore for years
20:27:32 <auroud85> Yeah, from France point of view, this election is very very clivated
20:27:47 <auroud85> 2 americas
20:27:53 <wilcal> Fire everyone from the smartest PHs Statustician on down. Especailly the PHd's
20:27:59 <MageiaTJ> Yes. Congressional race was supposed to be a dead heat, but the incumbent is up by 20 points.
20:28:09 <bri_an> auroud85 - agreed it is quite
20:28:42 <wilcal> American Politics is a full contact sport
20:28:52 <wilcal> Anything else
20:29:07 <auroud85> no
20:29:11 <wilcal> A little story on the side
20:29:21 <bri_an> nothing here - I think we'll see a nextcloud-client 3.02 in the list.  I already tried it
20:29:28 <wilcal> Everyone here of the Black Hat Convention here in Vegas every year
20:29:43 <bri_an> oh yeah- was hoping to be there
20:29:50 <wilcal> Didn't have one here this but 2-years ago
20:30:12 <wilcal> They always have a contest to see if people can crack into things and give prises
20:30:45 <bri_an> yup
20:31:00 <wilcal> Anyway 2-years ago the picked 5-voting machines and offered a $100,000 prize to the person who could crack into them.
20:31:33 <wilcal> A 12-year old kid cracked into the toughest machine in 10-minutes. And won the $100,000
20:32:14 <wilcal> Anything else?
20:32:56 <wilcal> Then it's count down time
20:33:01 <wilcal> thanks all for being here
20:33:20 <wilcal> Hopefully some updates in M8 by next week. Especially the DE's
20:33:27 <wilcal> T-5
20:33:36 <wilcal> T-4
20:33:44 <wilcal> T-3
20:33:53 <wilcal> T-2
20:33:57 <wilcal> bye all
20:34:02 <wilcal> T-1
20:34:07 <wilcal> #endmeeting