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19:03:29 <wilcal> Hello all to this weeks QA meeting
19:04:14 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:04:23 <wilcal> Anyone new here today?
19:04:35 <wilcal> It's gonna be a lite meeting today
19:05:08 <bri_an> just old 'ole me
19:05:11 <wilcal> Lets move on
19:05:13 <wilcal> #topic M8 Beta 1 iso testing
19:05:21 <wilcal> That's ok not much going on
19:05:42 <wilcal> we are really waiting forsome big updates and there are still some release blockers
19:05:50 <Benmc> nowt to report here- day job happening
19:06:09 <wilcal> I'm am having very good experience with M8 except for the big issues
19:06:16 <bri_an> understand
19:06:31 <wilcal> The biggest is that VirtualBox has an upstream bug we are awaiting resolution
19:06:53 <wilcal> this may be a very short meeting :-)
19:07:20 <wilcal> Oh hold a sec I posted an interesting bug
19:07:40 <bri_an> correct - I've held off on MGA8 until majors are done and new ISO's created
19:08:24 <wilcal> tartube
19:08:26 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27238
19:08:28 <[mbot> [ 27238 – A fix ( tartube ) gone mad for something that wasn't broke ]
19:08:37 <wilcal> I can say it here not on the bug
19:08:49 <wilcal> What a pig this thing is. It's awful
19:09:25 <wilcal> Somebody threw all their dreams into code and called it tartubee
19:09:29 <bri_an> lol wilcal don't hold back
19:09:38 <wilcal> and it don't work
19:10:11 <bri_an> which makes it useful
19:10:17 <wilcal> Massive pretty documentation a lot of which is inaccurate
19:10:18 <bri_an> ....
19:10:39 <wilcal> anyway documented for reference
19:10:57 <wilcal> so anything on M8 Ben?
19:11:40 <wilcal> Then lets move on
19:11:41 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
19:12:01 <wilcal> List is manageable
19:12:22 <wilcal> there was a big update with kernel earlier in the week that went through well here
19:12:51 <wilcal> M8 is very dynamic but I've yet to experience an update that cripples it
19:13:27 <wilcal> Lets move on and close this one out
19:13:29 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
19:13:38 <wilcal> Anything else
19:13:44 <bri_an> yeah the interesting part is 5.7.19 is listed as last for 5.7 kernel series
19:13:46 <bri_an> and 5.8 isn't prod ready
19:14:08 <bri_an> nothing here wilcal
19:14:18 <bri_an> how are you doing?
19:14:21 <wilcal> Do you have any ideal when 5.8 will be "prod ready"
19:14:35 <wilcal> I'm doing fine. My vision has stabilized
19:14:45 <wilcal> I am a useful person now.
19:14:48 <bri_an> excellent - no idea
19:14:52 <bri_an> on kernel
19:15:07 <bri_an> glad that is better
19:15:11 <wilcal> yes on 5.8 which seems to be the big holdup on M8
19:16:06 <Luigi12> where's hviaene?
19:16:13 <wilcal> in and out
19:16:33 <Luigi12> bri_an: you're right that is interesting (kernel 5.7 being EOL when 5.8 isn't production ready)
19:17:09 <Luigi12> there are other hold-ups on mga8 (java stack, unbuildable package, dependency issues, security issues) but people are working on it
19:17:18 <Luigi12> for kernel stuff we're beholding to upstream developers
19:17:22 <Luigi12> beholden
19:17:23 <wilcal> the fact that Vbox does not work on 5.8 is pretty massive
19:17:26 <Luigi12> yes it is
19:17:35 <Luigi12> think there might still be nvidia problems too
19:17:38 <wilcal> Lots and lots of Cloud systems depend on Virtualization
19:17:50 <Luigi12> last I checked xfsprogs and brtfs-progs hadn't even been updated  yet (not that that's a huge deal)
19:17:57 <bri_an> yeah nvidia and 5.8 are a mess
19:18:31 <wilcal> I am so through with nVidia
19:18:33 <Luigi12> just wanted to say to hviaene if he reads this, please make more than one pass on QA bugs, if you have an issue and someone responds, please take the feedback and try again
19:18:39 <Luigi12> wilcal: yeah seriously
19:18:59 <Luigi12> I wish we could just drop those packages and say if you're running Linux on nvidia, you know what you're gonna get (problems)
19:19:03 <wilcal> Why would someone use nVidia today unless your a gamer
19:19:16 <wilcal> A bleeding edge gamer
19:19:17 <Luigi12> especially with the newest stuff being libglvnd capable and us having libglvnd, our packages are less necessary
19:19:33 <bri_an> :-) - thus I am leaning towards intel processor on next build
19:19:36 <Luigi12> yeah, bleeding edge gaming, CUDA, or masochist
19:20:00 <wilcal> The intel graphics on my new Dell Laptop is super. i10 based
19:20:33 <bri_an> some Ryzen desktop processors require a discrete graphics procesor
19:20:42 <wilcal> How but bitcoining?
19:20:55 <bri_an> they have specialty cards for that now
19:20:57 <wilcal> that seems to have driving a huge demand for nVidia boards
19:21:06 <Luigi12> I'm also not understanding why some people are being dense on the QA list this week...I showed how to use QARepo to filter packages to exactly what's provided by an SRPM associated by an update, just in case a list isn't provided, so it can be useful in some cases.  Obviously it should be the exception that RPMs aren't listed but it happens sometimes.
19:21:17 <wilcal> Ahhhh so that's the end of that
19:21:39 <Luigi12> I didn't know you could run a Ryzen without a discrete graphics card
19:21:43 <wilcal> I've done some of these meetings by myself :-))
19:21:58 <Luigi12> yeah I've seen
19:22:00 <Luigi12> crickets
19:22:05 <bri_an> they sell APU models, but otherwise you have to have a graphics card
19:22:07 <Luigi12> guess everyone is playing outside today :D
19:22:12 <wilcal> Well thanks everyone for being here
19:22:19 <wilcal> Things are kinda slow right now
19:22:22 <Luigi12> hopefully people will read the logs :o)
19:22:27 <wilcal> We'll do this again next week
19:22:32 <wilcal> Countdown time
19:22:32 <bri_an> have a good week everyone
19:22:34 <Luigi12> yeah, hopefully we can get the last bugfix updates pushed soon
19:22:38 <wilcal> Thanks for being here luigi
19:22:42 <Luigi12> yep
19:22:44 <wilcal> T-5
19:22:47 <Luigi12> hoping to get updates_testing cleaned soon
19:22:59 <wilcal> Thanks
19:23:04 <wilcal> T-4
19:23:10 <wilcal> T-3
19:23:13 <wilcal> Be all
19:23:19 <wilcal> T-2
19:23:24 <wilcal> T-1
19:23:28 <wilcal> #endmeeting