19:03:19 <wilcal> #startmeeting 19:03:19 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Sep 3 19:03:19 2020 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:03:19 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:03:29 <wilcal> Hello all to this weeks QA meeting 19:04:14 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 19:04:23 <wilcal> Anyone new here today? 19:04:35 <wilcal> It's gonna be a lite meeting today 19:05:08 <bri_an> just old 'ole me 19:05:11 <wilcal> Lets move on 19:05:13 <wilcal> #topic M8 Beta 1 iso testing 19:05:21 <wilcal> That's ok not much going on 19:05:42 <wilcal> we are really waiting forsome big updates and there are still some release blockers 19:05:50 <Benmc> nowt to report here- day job happening 19:06:09 <wilcal> I'm am having very good experience with M8 except for the big issues 19:06:16 <bri_an> understand 19:06:31 <wilcal> The biggest is that VirtualBox has an upstream bug we are awaiting resolution 19:06:53 <wilcal> this may be a very short meeting :-) 19:07:20 <wilcal> Oh hold a sec I posted an interesting bug 19:07:40 <bri_an> correct - I've held off on MGA8 until majors are done and new ISO's created 19:08:24 <wilcal> tartube 19:08:26 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27238 19:08:28 <[mbot> [ 27238 – A fix ( tartube ) gone mad for something that wasn't broke ] 19:08:37 <wilcal> I can say it here not on the bug 19:08:49 <wilcal> What a pig this thing is. It's awful 19:09:25 <wilcal> Somebody threw all their dreams into code and called it tartubee 19:09:29 <bri_an> lol wilcal don't hold back 19:09:38 <wilcal> and it don't work 19:10:11 <bri_an> which makes it useful 19:10:17 <wilcal> Massive pretty documentation a lot of which is inaccurate 19:10:18 <bri_an> .... 19:10:39 <wilcal> anyway documented for reference 19:10:57 <wilcal> so anything on M8 Ben? 19:11:40 <wilcal> Then lets move on 19:11:41 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports 19:12:01 <wilcal> List is manageable 19:12:22 <wilcal> there was a big update with kernel earlier in the week that went through well here 19:12:51 <wilcal> M8 is very dynamic but I've yet to experience an update that cripples it 19:13:27 <wilcal> Lets move on and close this one out 19:13:29 <wilcal> #topic Anything else? 19:13:38 <wilcal> Anything else 19:13:44 <bri_an> yeah the interesting part is 5.7.19 is listed as last for 5.7 kernel series 19:13:46 <bri_an> and 5.8 isn't prod ready 19:14:08 <bri_an> nothing here wilcal 19:14:18 <bri_an> how are you doing? 19:14:21 <wilcal> Do you have any ideal when 5.8 will be "prod ready" 19:14:35 <wilcal> I'm doing fine. My vision has stabilized 19:14:45 <wilcal> I am a useful person now. 19:14:48 <bri_an> excellent - no idea 19:14:52 <bri_an> on kernel 19:15:07 <bri_an> glad that is better 19:15:11 <wilcal> yes on 5.8 which seems to be the big holdup on M8 19:16:06 <Luigi12> where's hviaene? 19:16:13 <wilcal> in and out 19:16:33 <Luigi12> bri_an: you're right that is interesting (kernel 5.7 being EOL when 5.8 isn't production ready) 19:17:09 <Luigi12> there are other hold-ups on mga8 (java stack, unbuildable package, dependency issues, security issues) but people are working on it 19:17:18 <Luigi12> for kernel stuff we're beholding to upstream developers 19:17:22 <Luigi12> beholden 19:17:23 <wilcal> the fact that Vbox does not work on 5.8 is pretty massive 19:17:26 <Luigi12> yes it is 19:17:35 <Luigi12> think there might still be nvidia problems too 19:17:38 <wilcal> Lots and lots of Cloud systems depend on Virtualization 19:17:50 <Luigi12> last I checked xfsprogs and brtfs-progs hadn't even been updated yet (not that that's a huge deal) 19:17:57 <bri_an> yeah nvidia and 5.8 are a mess 19:18:31 <wilcal> I am so through with nVidia 19:18:33 <Luigi12> just wanted to say to hviaene if he reads this, please make more than one pass on QA bugs, if you have an issue and someone responds, please take the feedback and try again 19:18:39 <Luigi12> wilcal: yeah seriously 19:18:59 <Luigi12> I wish we could just drop those packages and say if you're running Linux on nvidia, you know what you're gonna get (problems) 19:19:03 <wilcal> Why would someone use nVidia today unless your a gamer 19:19:16 <wilcal> A bleeding edge gamer 19:19:17 <Luigi12> especially with the newest stuff being libglvnd capable and us having libglvnd, our packages are less necessary 19:19:33 <bri_an> :-) - thus I am leaning towards intel processor on next build 19:19:36 <Luigi12> yeah, bleeding edge gaming, CUDA, or masochist 19:20:00 <wilcal> The intel graphics on my new Dell Laptop is super. i10 based 19:20:33 <bri_an> some Ryzen desktop processors require a discrete graphics procesor 19:20:42 <wilcal> How but bitcoining? 19:20:55 <bri_an> they have specialty cards for that now 19:20:57 <wilcal> that seems to have driving a huge demand for nVidia boards 19:21:06 <Luigi12> I'm also not understanding why some people are being dense on the QA list this week...I showed how to use QARepo to filter packages to exactly what's provided by an SRPM associated by an update, just in case a list isn't provided, so it can be useful in some cases. Obviously it should be the exception that RPMs aren't listed but it happens sometimes. 19:21:17 <wilcal> Ahhhh so that's the end of that 19:21:39 <Luigi12> I didn't know you could run a Ryzen without a discrete graphics card 19:21:43 <wilcal> I've done some of these meetings by myself :-)) 19:21:58 <Luigi12> yeah I've seen 19:22:00 <Luigi12> crickets 19:22:05 <bri_an> they sell APU models, but otherwise you have to have a graphics card 19:22:07 <Luigi12> guess everyone is playing outside today :D 19:22:12 <wilcal> Well thanks everyone for being here 19:22:19 <wilcal> Things are kinda slow right now 19:22:22 <Luigi12> hopefully people will read the logs :o) 19:22:27 <wilcal> We'll do this again next week 19:22:32 <wilcal> Countdown time 19:22:32 <bri_an> have a good week everyone 19:22:34 <Luigi12> yeah, hopefully we can get the last bugfix updates pushed soon 19:22:38 <wilcal> Thanks for being here luigi 19:22:42 <Luigi12> yep 19:22:44 <wilcal> T-5 19:22:47 <Luigi12> hoping to get updates_testing cleaned soon 19:22:59 <wilcal> Thanks 19:23:04 <wilcal> T-4 19:23:10 <wilcal> T-3 19:23:13 <wilcal> Be all 19:23:19 <wilcal> T-2 19:23:24 <wilcal> T-1 19:23:28 <wilcal> #endmeeting