19:03:16 <wilcal> #startmeeting
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19:03:25 <wilcal> Hi MagT
19:03:45 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:03:46 <bri_an> HI TJ
19:03:53 <wilcal> Anyone new here today
19:03:54 <MageiaTJ> Hi.
19:04:13 <auroud85_fr> me, from bugsquad team
19:04:30 <wilcal> Hello
19:04:36 <MageiaTJ> Welcome!
19:04:38 <wilcal> thank you for joining us
19:04:41 <bri_an> Auroud85_fr - welcome.
19:04:44 <Benmc> welcome auroud88_fr
19:04:55 <auroud85_fr> Thanks you permit me to join you!
19:05:10 <wilcal> Right now the qa list of bugs to work on is kinda short
19:05:21 <wilcal> But we have a more interesting issues
19:05:28 <wilcal> lets move on
19:05:31 <wilcal> #topic M8 Beta 1 iso testing
19:05:43 <wilcal> So where are we at on Cauldron?
19:06:03 <wilcal> I think we have a couple pretty big showstoppers right now
19:06:11 <Benmc> auround85_fr. thanks for your bugsquad work
19:06:14 <bri_an> at this time nvidia 390 forced to Kernel 5.7
19:06:28 <bri_an> I concur with Benmc
19:06:38 <wilcal> And until then things have kinda bogged down
19:07:02 <auroud85_fr> due to GPL condom on symbols export from kernel
19:07:06 <wilcal> Vbox on M8 is stuck waiting for an upstream kernel bug to get worked out
19:07:20 <MageiaTJ> There's always something, just about the time we test the beta.
19:07:27 <bri_an> yeah as predicted 5.8 is interesting
19:08:07 <Benmc> at least this time around it is not DE related, MageiaTJ
19:08:09 <wilcal> Chromium is having a compiling problem
19:08:35 <Benmc> and there are 3 updated ones too
19:08:50 <wilcal> There have been so many changes to M8 that the Beta 1 isos are basically invalid right now
19:09:05 <wilcal> I use netinstall and that seems to be working fine
19:09:12 <auroud85_fr> There is firefox always speak English as it can"t remember addon he can launch.
19:09:23 <Benmc> got to wait for a version freeze
19:09:27 <wilcal> LOL that sounds like fun
19:09:42 <wilcal> What if that was like Japanese or someting
19:10:01 <auroud85_fr> Yeah. kiding!
19:10:54 <wilcal> The laptop i am using here is running M8 and it runs just fine
19:11:03 <wilcal> Except for the big bugs
19:11:32 <auroud85_fr> Me too M8 is fine on my system. No freeze. Just above bug.
19:11:56 <Benmc> I have no production sytems on M8, just testing gear. itseems pretty stable on intel/intel/intel stuff
19:12:01 <bri_an> but - do we have a new version of Plasma, Xfce and Gnome coming?
19:12:01 <MageiaTJ> I'm waiting for things to stabilize before I do much with it, as long as M7 continues to work.
19:12:18 <auroud85_fr> Gnome 3.38 in September
19:12:28 <auroud85_fr> Plasma 5.20 in September
19:12:39 <auroud85_fr> Xfce... not early
19:12:49 <wilcal> Should we wait on Beta 1 Ver 2 until that comes along?
19:13:10 <wilcal> imo probably so
19:13:22 <Benmc> depends, if those new DE are 1st or 30th :)
19:13:33 <wilcal> Maybe the Vbox upstream fix shows up
19:14:08 <auroud85_fr> Benmc: yeah
19:14:42 <Luigi12> we still need to make more progress on fixing unbuildable packages, dependency issues, java stack update, so no need to rush
19:15:09 <wilcal> lots of buggy bugs nagging M8
19:15:18 <Benmc> morning Luigi12, nice to see you here
19:15:24 <Luigi12> not to mention fixing the kernel 5.8 fallout
19:15:28 <Luigi12> w00t, heya
19:15:29 <auroud85_fr> Luigi12 is right
19:16:07 <Luigi12> plus kernel 5.9 is still weeks away and we get to do this fun again then
19:16:19 <Luigi12> luckily that will be the last kernel update for a long time
19:16:23 <wilcal> I'm surprised Oracle let the Vbox thing get out of contril
19:16:23 <Benmc> thats LTS?
19:16:29 <Luigi12> supposed to be, yeah
19:16:41 <Luigi12> yeah usually virtualbox is fixed more quickly
19:16:52 <Luigi12> sounds like lots of changes in 5.8 making things more difficult generally
19:17:19 <wilcal> Good discussion here on the status of M8
19:17:19 <auroud85_fr> 5.7.19 declared [EOL] on Kernel.org
19:17:27 <Luigi12> :o(
19:17:37 <Benmc> of course!
19:17:39 <bri_an> I noticed that
19:17:41 <Luigi12> when 5.8 breaks so much stuff, I guess upstream don't care
19:17:42 <wilcal> I do do at least one Netinstall to a blank drive at least once per week
19:17:50 <auroud85_fr> and Greg Kroah-Hartman always said LTS is last kernel of year
19:18:28 <Benmc> sorry guys, got to go
19:18:36 <wilcal> bye Ben
19:19:16 <wilcal> Anything else on Cauldron testing?
19:19:23 <wilcal> This should be a short meeting
19:19:37 <bri_an> nothing here
19:19:57 <wilcal> lets moveon then
19:19:59 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
19:20:04 <wilcal> very short list
19:20:11 <Bequimao> I had a question to https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27173
19:20:11 <Luigi12> http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates
19:20:13 <[mbot> [ 27173 – qt4, qtbase5 new security issue CVE-2020-17507 ]
19:20:14 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
19:20:31 <Luigi12> would be nice to make a decision on evolution-data-server, it's been waiting a while
19:20:53 <bri_an> Hey Rindolf
19:20:54 <rindolf> hi all
19:21:01 <auroud85_fr> hi
19:21:30 <wilcal> anthing thi rin
19:21:34 <Bequimao> My test is ok. When I wanted to document it, it was already validated. Too fast, I should take at least 2 days.
19:21:47 <wilcal> we'reon testing updates. You have anyting on Cauldron testing
19:22:00 * rindolf cannot run vbox on his mga8 system
19:22:04 <Luigi12> no reason for it to take 2 days if it doesn't need 2 days, but we appreciate the test (seriously, we do)
19:22:22 <wilcal> That's a seerious upstream kernel issue
19:22:52 <Bequimao> wilcal: no, it updates Mga7.
19:23:14 <Luigi12> mga7 isn't on kernel 5.8 yet
19:23:38 <wilcal> that it does but won't open a client in M8
19:24:09 <wilcal> It was working fine then a kernel update and it stopped working in M8
19:24:27 <wilcal> works fine in m7
19:24:32 <wilcal> and updates
19:25:04 <bri_an> so if you drop to MGA8 Kernel 5.7 it works?
19:25:30 <Luigi12> yeah if you still have it
19:25:32 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27113
19:25:34 <[mbot> [ 27113 – virtualbox fails to launch client after latest updates ]
19:26:57 <wilcal> https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/19644
19:27:00 <[mbot> [ #19644 (Linux kernel version: 5.8 - we need changes) – Oracle VM VirtualBox ]
19:27:30 <wilcal> wasn't my fault :-)
19:28:14 <wilcal> And it's labeled a release blocker
19:28:24 <bri_an> LOL - wilcal - it was line 1,119,876 that you added.  I know it
19:28:33 <bri_an> in the kernel
19:28:38 <wilcal> yup
19:28:50 <wilcal> Anything on updates?
19:28:59 <wilcal> hardly any on the list
19:29:01 <Bequimao> My issue https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27173
19:29:03 <[mbot> [ 27173 – qt4, qtbase5 new security issue CVE-2020-17507 ]
19:29:31 <wilcal> so noted
19:30:02 <Bequimao> It was an huge update, and validatet too fast. So nobody could object.
19:30:02 <auroud85_fr> Was validated this afternoon (France time)
19:30:08 <Luigi12> was not a huge update at all
19:30:20 <Luigi12> it was a little patch for an XBM issue (ancient image format), not a big deal
19:31:20 <Luigi12> didn't appear to be a publicly available PoC, so only needed to be tested for obvious regression, which doesn't require 10 tests
19:31:28 <Bequimao> Many packages. If it is a small patch only, QA can't know.
19:32:08 <Luigi12> was only two packages (qt4 and qtbase5).  Yes qtbase5 has a lot of subpackages (most of which are basically unchanged) but that's not relevant
19:33:38 <wilcal> lets moveon to
19:33:38 <Bequimao> Anyway, I would not know to test qt4 stuff. I see a problem with the procedure. Too fast.
19:33:40 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
19:33:48 <wilcal> Nothing from me
19:33:51 <Luigi12> QA certainly can know, there's an advisory that describes what's being fixed/changed, usually more details early in teh bug, plus you can check the svn diff if you're interested
19:34:11 <hviaene> yes I have
19:34:15 <Luigi12> no, in fact we've been too slow with updates lately
19:34:28 <Luigi12> people need to be less hesitant to OK/validate things
19:34:35 <auroud85_fr> now I write .adv files.
19:35:48 <hviaene> My first try at packaging isstill unsuccessful
19:36:47 <wilcal> anything else folks
19:36:53 <auroud85_fr> no
19:37:22 <wilcal> i'm done
19:37:27 <wilcal> so countdown time
19:37:33 <wilcal> thanks all for being here.
19:37:38 <wilcal> good meeiting
19:37:40 <wilcal> T-5
19:37:41 <hviaene> Any one can help???
19:37:47 <wilcal> yup
19:37:53 <wilcal> T-4
19:38:02 <wilcal> T-3
19:38:10 <wilcal> bye all
19:38:14 <wilcal> T-2
19:38:19 <Luigi12> hviaene: try #mageia-dev or #mageia-mentoring as well as the dev ml
19:38:27 <wilcal> T-1
19:38:31 <auroud85_fr> bye
19:38:38 <wilcal> #endmeeting