19:03:16 <wilcal> #startmeeting 19:03:16 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Aug 27 19:03:16 2020 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:03:16 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:03:25 <wilcal> Hi MagT 19:03:45 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 19:03:46 <bri_an> HI TJ 19:03:53 <wilcal> Anyone new here today 19:03:54 <MageiaTJ> Hi. 19:04:13 <auroud85_fr> me, from bugsquad team 19:04:30 <wilcal> Hello 19:04:36 <MageiaTJ> Welcome! 19:04:38 <wilcal> thank you for joining us 19:04:41 <bri_an> Auroud85_fr - welcome. 19:04:44 <Benmc> welcome auroud88_fr 19:04:55 <auroud85_fr> Thanks you permit me to join you! 19:05:10 <wilcal> Right now the qa list of bugs to work on is kinda short 19:05:21 <wilcal> But we have a more interesting issues 19:05:28 <wilcal> lets move on 19:05:31 <wilcal> #topic M8 Beta 1 iso testing 19:05:43 <wilcal> So where are we at on Cauldron? 19:06:03 <wilcal> I think we have a couple pretty big showstoppers right now 19:06:11 <Benmc> auround85_fr. thanks for your bugsquad work 19:06:14 <bri_an> at this time nvidia 390 forced to Kernel 5.7 19:06:28 <bri_an> I concur with Benmc 19:06:38 <wilcal> And until then things have kinda bogged down 19:07:02 <auroud85_fr> due to GPL condom on symbols export from kernel 19:07:06 <wilcal> Vbox on M8 is stuck waiting for an upstream kernel bug to get worked out 19:07:20 <MageiaTJ> There's always something, just about the time we test the beta. 19:07:27 <bri_an> yeah as predicted 5.8 is interesting 19:08:07 <Benmc> at least this time around it is not DE related, MageiaTJ 19:08:09 <wilcal> Chromium is having a compiling problem 19:08:35 <Benmc> and there are 3 updated ones too 19:08:50 <wilcal> There have been so many changes to M8 that the Beta 1 isos are basically invalid right now 19:09:05 <wilcal> I use netinstall and that seems to be working fine 19:09:12 <auroud85_fr> There is firefox always speak English as it can"t remember addon he can launch. 19:09:23 <Benmc> got to wait for a version freeze 19:09:27 <wilcal> LOL that sounds like fun 19:09:42 <wilcal> What if that was like Japanese or someting 19:10:01 <auroud85_fr> Yeah. kiding! 19:10:54 <wilcal> The laptop i am using here is running M8 and it runs just fine 19:11:03 <wilcal> Except for the big bugs 19:11:32 <auroud85_fr> Me too M8 is fine on my system. No freeze. Just above bug. 19:11:56 <Benmc> I have no production sytems on M8, just testing gear. itseems pretty stable on intel/intel/intel stuff 19:12:01 <bri_an> but - do we have a new version of Plasma, Xfce and Gnome coming? 19:12:01 <MageiaTJ> I'm waiting for things to stabilize before I do much with it, as long as M7 continues to work. 19:12:18 <auroud85_fr> Gnome 3.38 in September 19:12:28 <auroud85_fr> Plasma 5.20 in September 19:12:39 <auroud85_fr> Xfce... not early 19:12:49 <wilcal> Should we wait on Beta 1 Ver 2 until that comes along? 19:13:10 <wilcal> imo probably so 19:13:22 <Benmc> depends, if those new DE are 1st or 30th :) 19:13:33 <wilcal> Maybe the Vbox upstream fix shows up 19:14:08 <auroud85_fr> Benmc: yeah 19:14:42 <Luigi12> we still need to make more progress on fixing unbuildable packages, dependency issues, java stack update, so no need to rush 19:15:09 <wilcal> lots of buggy bugs nagging M8 19:15:18 <Benmc> morning Luigi12, nice to see you here 19:15:24 <Luigi12> not to mention fixing the kernel 5.8 fallout 19:15:28 <Luigi12> w00t, heya 19:15:29 <auroud85_fr> Luigi12 is right 19:16:07 <Luigi12> plus kernel 5.9 is still weeks away and we get to do this fun again then 19:16:19 <Luigi12> luckily that will be the last kernel update for a long time 19:16:23 <wilcal> I'm surprised Oracle let the Vbox thing get out of contril 19:16:23 <Benmc> thats LTS? 19:16:29 <Luigi12> supposed to be, yeah 19:16:41 <Luigi12> yeah usually virtualbox is fixed more quickly 19:16:52 <Luigi12> sounds like lots of changes in 5.8 making things more difficult generally 19:17:19 <wilcal> Good discussion here on the status of M8 19:17:19 <auroud85_fr> 5.7.19 declared [EOL] on Kernel.org 19:17:27 <Luigi12> :o( 19:17:37 <Benmc> of course! 19:17:39 <bri_an> I noticed that 19:17:41 <Luigi12> when 5.8 breaks so much stuff, I guess upstream don't care 19:17:42 <wilcal> I do do at least one Netinstall to a blank drive at least once per week 19:17:50 <auroud85_fr> and Greg Kroah-Hartman always said LTS is last kernel of year 19:18:28 <Benmc> sorry guys, got to go 19:18:36 <wilcal> bye Ben 19:19:16 <wilcal> Anything else on Cauldron testing? 19:19:23 <wilcal> This should be a short meeting 19:19:37 <bri_an> nothing here 19:19:57 <wilcal> lets moveon then 19:19:59 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports 19:20:04 <wilcal> very short list 19:20:11 <Bequimao> I had a question to https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27173 19:20:11 <Luigi12> http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates 19:20:13 <[mbot> [ 27173 – qt4, qtbase5 new security issue CVE-2020-17507 ] 19:20:14 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ] 19:20:31 <Luigi12> would be nice to make a decision on evolution-data-server, it's been waiting a while 19:20:53 <bri_an> Hey Rindolf 19:20:54 <rindolf> hi all 19:21:01 <auroud85_fr> hi 19:21:30 <wilcal> anthing thi rin 19:21:34 <Bequimao> My test is ok. When I wanted to document it, it was already validated. Too fast, I should take at least 2 days. 19:21:47 <wilcal> we'reon testing updates. You have anyting on Cauldron testing 19:22:00 * rindolf cannot run vbox on his mga8 system 19:22:04 <Luigi12> no reason for it to take 2 days if it doesn't need 2 days, but we appreciate the test (seriously, we do) 19:22:22 <wilcal> That's a seerious upstream kernel issue 19:22:52 <Bequimao> wilcal: no, it updates Mga7. 19:23:14 <Luigi12> mga7 isn't on kernel 5.8 yet 19:23:38 <wilcal> that it does but won't open a client in M8 19:24:09 <wilcal> It was working fine then a kernel update and it stopped working in M8 19:24:27 <wilcal> works fine in m7 19:24:32 <wilcal> and updates 19:25:04 <bri_an> so if you drop to MGA8 Kernel 5.7 it works? 19:25:30 <Luigi12> yeah if you still have it 19:25:32 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27113 19:25:34 <[mbot> [ 27113 – virtualbox fails to launch client after latest updates ] 19:26:57 <wilcal> https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/19644 19:27:00 <[mbot> [ #19644 (Linux kernel version: 5.8 - we need changes) – Oracle VM VirtualBox ] 19:27:30 <wilcal> wasn't my fault :-) 19:28:14 <wilcal> And it's labeled a release blocker 19:28:24 <bri_an> LOL - wilcal - it was line 1,119,876 that you added. I know it 19:28:33 <bri_an> in the kernel 19:28:38 <wilcal> yup 19:28:50 <wilcal> Anything on updates? 19:28:59 <wilcal> hardly any on the list 19:29:01 <Bequimao> My issue https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27173 19:29:03 <[mbot> [ 27173 – qt4, qtbase5 new security issue CVE-2020-17507 ] 19:29:31 <wilcal> so noted 19:30:02 <Bequimao> It was an huge update, and validatet too fast. So nobody could object. 19:30:02 <auroud85_fr> Was validated this afternoon (France time) 19:30:08 <Luigi12> was not a huge update at all 19:30:20 <Luigi12> it was a little patch for an XBM issue (ancient image format), not a big deal 19:31:20 <Luigi12> didn't appear to be a publicly available PoC, so only needed to be tested for obvious regression, which doesn't require 10 tests 19:31:28 <Bequimao> Many packages. If it is a small patch only, QA can't know. 19:32:08 <Luigi12> was only two packages (qt4 and qtbase5). Yes qtbase5 has a lot of subpackages (most of which are basically unchanged) but that's not relevant 19:33:38 <wilcal> lets moveon to 19:33:38 <Bequimao> Anyway, I would not know to test qt4 stuff. I see a problem with the procedure. Too fast. 19:33:40 <wilcal> #topic Anything else? 19:33:48 <wilcal> Nothing from me 19:33:51 <Luigi12> QA certainly can know, there's an advisory that describes what's being fixed/changed, usually more details early in teh bug, plus you can check the svn diff if you're interested 19:34:11 <hviaene> yes I have 19:34:15 <Luigi12> no, in fact we've been too slow with updates lately 19:34:28 <Luigi12> people need to be less hesitant to OK/validate things 19:34:35 <auroud85_fr> now I write .adv files. 19:35:48 <hviaene> My first try at packaging isstill unsuccessful 19:36:47 <wilcal> anything else folks 19:36:53 <auroud85_fr> no 19:37:22 <wilcal> i'm done 19:37:27 <wilcal> so countdown time 19:37:33 <wilcal> thanks all for being here. 19:37:38 <wilcal> good meeiting 19:37:40 <wilcal> T-5 19:37:41 <hviaene> Any one can help??? 19:37:47 <wilcal> yup 19:37:53 <wilcal> T-4 19:38:02 <wilcal> T-3 19:38:10 <wilcal> bye all 19:38:14 <wilcal> T-2 19:38:19 <Luigi12> hviaene: try #mageia-dev or #mageia-mentoring as well as the dev ml 19:38:27 <wilcal> T-1 19:38:31 <auroud85_fr> bye 19:38:38 <wilcal> #endmeeting