19:02:33 <wilcal> #startmeeting 19:02:33 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Aug 20 19:02:33 2020 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:02:33 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:02:34 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa. My eyes are too sore right now, so won't be running the meeting. 19:02:39 <wilcal> Anyone here new? 19:02:57 <wilcal> David's in charge cool 19:03:12 <wilcal> #chair DavidWHodgins 19:03:12 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins wilcal 19:03:18 <wilcal> You got the chair man 19:03:18 <DavidWHodgins> No. Please take over. My uveitis is bothering me right now 19:03:48 <wilcal> well here goes with the nmost exciting issue 19:04:01 <wilcal> #topic M8 Beta 1 iso testing 19:04:25 <wilcal> Lots and lots of updates. The Beta 1 isos are ultra obsolte 19:04:58 <wilcal> Is there a release blocker list yet? 19:05:22 <wilcal> Vbox don't work and is a release blocker 19:07:29 <wilcal> recent updates have been successful 19:07:42 <wilcal> I don't elieve Chrome will install 19:08:41 <wilcal> so there's lots of open issues 19:09:00 <wilcal> anyone want to comment on M8 Beta testing? 19:10:37 <wilcal> Silence 19:10:42 <wilcal> Hi bri 19:10:48 <bri_an> Hi Wilcal 19:11:00 <wilcal> Have you any thoughts on M8 Beta testing? 19:11:31 <bri_an> I stepped back due to some nvidia 390 issues on kernel 5.8 19:11:48 <wilcal> Ya that's become an issue all around 19:12:03 <Luigi12> I think someone said it was fixed, not 100% sure 19:12:07 <bri_an> I think those got resolved. We have a ton of updates coming though. Plasma, more Gnome, and recompiles 19:12:31 <bri_an> I'll have to put it up and try it on Phys Hardware 19:12:36 <wilcal> For the record I've trashed my only nvidia machine. I won't deal with it anymore. I'm not a gamer 19:12:37 <bri_an> put = boot 19:12:49 <bri_an> understand 19:12:56 <Luigi12> basically what needs to be done is 1) java stack update 2) dependency errors fixed 3) non-buildable packages fixed 4) blockers in bugzilla fixed 19:13:05 <Luigi12> oh and security issues fixed of course 19:13:25 <bri_an> yes lots 19:13:54 <wilcal> do you have any idea on Vbox in M8. Seems there's an upstream kernel issue 19:14:13 <bri_an> I am at the point of sitting back and letting the dev team catch up on that before I throw more bugzillas out there 19:14:36 <wilcal> k 19:14:46 <Luigi12> correct wilcal, current vbox version doesn't support kernel 5.8. Patch from somewhere was attempted, good enough to make it build, but apparently doesn't actually work. Upstream virtualbox will fix at some point. 19:15:16 <wilcal> gating issue for M8 19:15:22 <Luigi12> of course 19:15:29 <bri_an> I read 5.8 is a massive update to kernel. 19:15:32 <Luigi12> needs to be fixed for mga7 too, because we'll update the kernel there as well 19:15:40 <Luigi12> yeah 5.8 seems to be causing more problems than usual 19:15:51 <joselp> Hi 19:15:54 <Luigi12> and 5.9 is the next LTS, so likely to be big as well 19:16:26 <wilcal> so lets move on as there's a couple issues there 19:16:28 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports 19:16:53 <wilcal> Task-obsolete and flash 19:17:13 <Luigi12> well that's a different topic 19:17:14 <wilcal> 31 Dec 2020 23:99 it's gone 19:17:33 <wilcal> should it be carried in task-obolute 19:17:42 <Luigi12> we need to get some action on the remaining update candidates here http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates 19:17:44 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ] 19:18:25 <Luigi12> yeah as discussed on the ml, we can't leave known insecure crap on systems we're not maintaining, plus package won't work anymore anyway. Only way to use it on mga8 will be to get the package from upstream, no point in keeping ours on systems. 19:18:29 <joselp> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27152 19:18:31 <[mbot> [ 27152 – Error build dkms-nvidia390 ] 19:18:33 <joselp> Today I have reported an error with the dkms package 19:18:49 <Luigi12> valid points were brought up about the amount of stuff we leave in task-obsolete and it's been a problem for us for years 19:19:07 <joselp> And mageia-prime don't work fine 19:20:03 <hviaene> Hi all 19:20:12 <hviaene> Meeting still on? 19:20:23 <wilcal> yes, feel free to join 19:20:33 <wilcal> we are in testing updates 19:20:58 <bri_an> Hi joselp - yeah cauldron 390 and Kern 5.8 19:21:07 <joselp> Yes 19:21:23 <wilcal> some sticking points. Flash and tasks-obsolete 19:21:34 <Luigi12> not really, we know what we're doing with that 19:21:50 <Luigi12> but yeah the fix for nvidia390 will have to be done in mga7 too once it's figured out 19:22:11 <wilcal> how old is something that uses nvidia390 19:22:17 <bri_an> yeah is 5.7 already EOL? I haven't looked 19:22:37 <bri_an> 5 yrs about 19:22:44 <bri_an> I have a machine using 340 driver too 19:22:52 <wilcal> that's not very old 19:22:58 <hviaene> A few days ago, I couldn't make any sense in the apache-mod-php versions, has that been cleared out? 19:23:07 <joselp> My graphics card needs that driver because of the fermi chipset 19:23:20 <Luigi12> I'm not sure when 5.7 is EOL, it's a good question 19:23:21 <bri_an> mine is a 730GT if I recall 19:23:27 <hviaene> I've not been in a lot, so very little online time 19:23:28 <Luigi12> anyway we can't do 5.8 to mga7 until we fix all the thing 19:23:31 <Luigi12> things 19:23:34 <bri_an> agreed 19:23:37 <joselp> My team is about 5 years old 19:23:51 <Luigi12> hviaene: php updates were pushed 19:23:56 <wilcal> My new dell laptop requies me to manually install modesetting 19:24:25 <hviaene> luigi12: OK; tx 19:24:25 <Luigi12> hviaene: you'll have to test to see if whatever your issue was persists, hopefully not 19:24:46 <Luigi12> I know the conflicts with fpm/mod_php were removed and someone verified each works by itself 19:24:54 <hviaene> That,'ll be tomorrow 19:25:27 <bri_an> wilcal - some oddities I've seen over time require different kernel's. I have one machine that won't start until I issue noapic. 19:25:38 <bri_an> You're running 10th gen correct? 19:25:49 <wilcal> You betcha 19:26:06 <bri_an> kind of wondering if 5.8 had that update in it 19:26:07 <wilcal> all 8-cores :-)) 19:26:14 <joselp> I have Mageia 8 beta on my computer, and I have observed that the Mageia splash screen does not load. The Plasma Kde screen appears. 19:26:49 <joselp> I hadn't reported it yet 19:27:22 <wilcal> Is M8 supposed to be running 5.8 kernel now? 19:27:33 <bri_an> joselp - I don't know what everyone else thinks, but my suspicion is there is a lot of churn in cauldron. 19:27:40 <bri_an> I got the update in MGA8 19:28:00 <Luigi12> mga8 is on 5.8.2 now 19:28:14 <Luigi12> there's churn because there's a lot to fix still 19:28:15 <bri_an> joselp that issue may go away when you do a fresh build in a week or two 19:28:37 <bri_an> luigil2 - totally understand and agree 19:28:49 <joselp> And Firefox appears in english, this is reported too 19:29:09 <wilcal> 5.8.2-desktop-2 19:29:21 <joselp> Yes 5.82 19:30:13 * treegazer still trying to figure out why VMware workstation segfaults in mga8 but runs OK in mga7 19:30:14 <wilcal> and it's running in an M7.1 Vbox client 19:30:28 <bri_an> thinking of 5.8.2 I did run into that 390 issue and backed down to 5.7. Things went normal 19:30:32 <joselp> In my opinion it's pretty stable, but there are some things to fix 19:30:44 <Luigi12> treegazer: because mga8 has kernel 5.8. vmware probably doesn't support that yet. 19:31:18 <treegazer> Luigi12, maybe, but I compile the kernel modules for each kernel release 19:31:18 <bri_an> joselp - you're one update from unstable, don't count on that instance 19:31:40 <Luigi12> treegazer: you can try to compile them but they won't necessarily work 19:32:03 <Luigi12> yeah just because Cauldron is "stable" doesn't mean it's ready 19:32:26 <Luigi12> tens of broken packages with dependency issues, hundreds of unbuildable packages, dozens of unfixed security issues, etc 19:32:30 <wilcal> Seems a little bit like we're going backwards 19:32:35 <joselp> I don't mean I'm ready. 19:32:40 <Luigi12> no we're just not going forward as fast as you would like 19:32:46 <wilcal> :-)) 19:33:01 <Luigi12> I mean yeah kernel 5.8 feels like a step backward because it broke a bunch of stuff that weren't ready for it, but we had no choice but to update 19:33:09 <Luigi12> once we get to 5.9 we will stop updating it, that will help 19:33:27 <wilcal> Anyway this has turned into a combo M7 & M8 discussion 19:33:30 <wilcal> anything else 19:33:42 <hviaene> Yes 19:34:01 <wilcal> Go 19:34:16 <hviaene> I'm trying to get the new Belgian eid SW going. 19:34:39 <Luigi12> anybody have anything to say about the remaining update candidates? http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates 19:34:41 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ] 19:34:47 <hviaene> Al13N sent me some tips for rpmbuild, 19:34:48 <Luigi12> since that's technically the #topic but we never got to it 19:34:48 <bri_an> none here 19:35:04 <Luigi12> OK well hopefully the remaining ones will get tested and validated then 19:35:19 <wilcal> #topic Anything else? 19:35:20 <Luigi12> oh, one more thing on that topic, I've seen lots of people testing things, successfully, lately, and not adding the OK's to the whiteboard 19:35:21 <hviaene> But I get a problem, and he hasnt reponded for a week (holidays) 19:35:36 <Luigi12> make sure you OK stuff if it's OK 19:35:39 <bri_an> I see 7 in the stack 19:35:43 <bri_an> to be tested 19:35:43 <Luigi12> and stuff that seems OK enough can be validated 19:35:45 <hviaene> Can I address someone for help? 19:35:47 <bri_an> two with feedbacks 19:36:04 <Luigi12> hviaene: a problem with what? 19:36:42 <hviaene> rmpbild throws an error on "sometthing git" 19:36:57 <hviaene> I don't have it in front of me now 19:37:32 <Luigi12> oh I thought you meant an update candidate 19:37:46 <Luigi12> send a message to the dev ml if you're having trouble with beid stuff 19:38:25 <hviaene> OK 19:38:36 <wilcal> Anything else 19:38:46 <bri_an> none here 19:38:50 <hviaene> No 19:39:13 <wilcal> Other then daily temp here is 117F and haven't seen any rain in over 100 days 19:39:24 <wilcal> wilting 19:39:25 <Luigi12> "but it's a dry heat" 19:39:30 <bri_an> wilcal - sounds like you live in a desert or something 19:39:33 <wilcal> about 16% 19:39:40 <bri_an> ;-) 19:39:44 <wilcal> Sin City USA Las Vegas 19:40:01 <wilcal> where there ain't much sin'n going on these days 19:40:18 <bri_an> yeah 19:40:29 <hviaene> Sinners burn in hell;) 19:40:30 <wilcal> So lets call it a day. Thanks all for being here 19:40:37 <wilcal> some tough issues 19:40:43 <wilcal> Countdown time 19:40:47 <wilcal> T-5 19:40:52 <hviaene> G'night all 19:40:53 <bri_an> have a good week all. Good discussion. 19:40:57 <wilcal> T-4 19:41:03 <wilcal> T-3 19:41:09 <wilcal> T-2 19:41:22 <wilcal> T-1 19:41:26 <wilcal> #endmeeting