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19:02:34 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa. My eyes are too sore right now, so won't be running the meeting.
19:02:39 <wilcal> Anyone here new?
19:02:57 <wilcal> David's in charge cool
19:03:12 <wilcal> #chair DavidWHodgins
19:03:12 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins wilcal
19:03:18 <wilcal> You got the chair man
19:03:18 <DavidWHodgins> No. Please take over. My uveitis is bothering me right now
19:03:48 <wilcal> well here goes with the nmost exciting issue
19:04:01 <wilcal> #topic M8 Beta 1 iso testing
19:04:25 <wilcal> Lots and lots of updates. The Beta 1 isos are ultra obsolte
19:04:58 <wilcal> Is there a release blocker list yet?
19:05:22 <wilcal> Vbox don't work and is a release blocker
19:07:29 <wilcal> recent updates have been successful
19:07:42 <wilcal> I don't elieve Chrome will install
19:08:41 <wilcal> so there's lots of open issues
19:09:00 <wilcal> anyone want to comment on M8 Beta testing?
19:10:37 <wilcal> Silence
19:10:42 <wilcal> Hi bri
19:10:48 <bri_an> Hi Wilcal
19:11:00 <wilcal> Have you any thoughts on M8 Beta testing?
19:11:31 <bri_an> I stepped back due to some nvidia 390 issues on kernel 5.8
19:11:48 <wilcal> Ya that's become an issue all around
19:12:03 <Luigi12> I think someone said it was fixed, not 100% sure
19:12:07 <bri_an> I think those got resolved.  We have a ton of updates coming though.  Plasma, more Gnome, and recompiles
19:12:31 <bri_an> I'll have to put it up and try it on Phys Hardware
19:12:36 <wilcal> For the record I've trashed my only nvidia machine. I won't deal with it anymore. I'm not a gamer
19:12:37 <bri_an> put = boot
19:12:49 <bri_an> understand
19:12:56 <Luigi12> basically what needs to be done is 1) java stack update 2) dependency errors fixed 3) non-buildable packages fixed 4) blockers in bugzilla fixed
19:13:05 <Luigi12> oh and security issues fixed of course
19:13:25 <bri_an> yes lots
19:13:54 <wilcal> do you have any idea on Vbox in M8. Seems there's an upstream kernel issue
19:14:13 <bri_an> I am at the point of sitting back and letting the dev team catch up on that before I throw more bugzillas out there
19:14:36 <wilcal> k
19:14:46 <Luigi12> correct wilcal, current vbox version doesn't support kernel 5.8.  Patch from somewhere was attempted, good enough to make it build, but apparently doesn't actually work.  Upstream virtualbox will fix at some point.
19:15:16 <wilcal> gating issue for M8
19:15:22 <Luigi12> of course
19:15:29 <bri_an> I read 5.8 is a massive update to kernel.
19:15:32 <Luigi12> needs to be fixed for mga7 too, because we'll update the kernel there as well
19:15:40 <Luigi12> yeah 5.8 seems to be causing more problems than usual
19:15:51 <joselp> Hi
19:15:54 <Luigi12> and 5.9 is the next LTS, so likely to be big as well
19:16:26 <wilcal> so lets move on as there's a couple issues there
19:16:28 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
19:16:53 <wilcal> Task-obsolete and flash
19:17:13 <Luigi12> well that's a different topic
19:17:14 <wilcal> 31 Dec 2020 23:99 it's gone
19:17:33 <wilcal> should it be carried in task-obolute
19:17:42 <Luigi12> we need to get some action on the remaining update candidates here http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates
19:17:44 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
19:18:25 <Luigi12> yeah as discussed on the ml, we can't leave known insecure crap on systems we're not maintaining, plus package won't work anymore anyway.  Only way to use it on mga8 will be to get the package from upstream, no point in keeping ours on systems.
19:18:29 <joselp> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27152
19:18:31 <[mbot> [ 27152 – Error build dkms-nvidia390 ]
19:18:33 <joselp> Today I have reported an error with the dkms package
19:18:49 <Luigi12> valid points were brought up about the amount of stuff we leave in task-obsolete and it's been a problem for us for years
19:19:07 <joselp> And mageia-prime don't work fine
19:20:03 <hviaene> Hi all
19:20:12 <hviaene> Meeting still on?
19:20:23 <wilcal> yes, feel free to join
19:20:33 <wilcal> we are in testing updates
19:20:58 <bri_an> Hi joselp - yeah cauldron 390 and Kern 5.8
19:21:07 <joselp> Yes
19:21:23 <wilcal> some sticking points. Flash and tasks-obsolete
19:21:34 <Luigi12> not really, we know what we're doing with that
19:21:50 <Luigi12> but yeah the fix for nvidia390 will have to be done in mga7 too once it's figured out
19:22:11 <wilcal> how old is something that uses nvidia390
19:22:17 <bri_an> yeah is 5.7 already EOL?  I haven't looked
19:22:37 <bri_an> 5 yrs about
19:22:44 <bri_an> I have a machine using 340 driver too
19:22:52 <wilcal> that's not very old
19:22:58 <hviaene> A few days ago, I couldn't make any sense in the apache-mod-php versions, has that been cleared out?
19:23:07 <joselp> My graphics card needs that driver because of the fermi chipset
19:23:20 <Luigi12> I'm not sure when 5.7 is EOL, it's a good question
19:23:21 <bri_an> mine is a 730GT if I recall
19:23:27 <hviaene> I've not been in a lot, so very little online time
19:23:28 <Luigi12> anyway we can't do 5.8 to mga7 until we fix all the thing
19:23:31 <Luigi12> things
19:23:34 <bri_an> agreed
19:23:37 <joselp> My team is about 5 years old
19:23:51 <Luigi12> hviaene: php updates were pushed
19:23:56 <wilcal> My new dell laptop requies me to manually install modesetting
19:24:25 <hviaene> luigi12: OK; tx
19:24:25 <Luigi12> hviaene: you'll have to test to see if whatever your issue was persists, hopefully not
19:24:46 <Luigi12> I know the conflicts with fpm/mod_php were removed and someone verified each works by itself
19:24:54 <hviaene> That,'ll be tomorrow
19:25:27 <bri_an> wilcal - some oddities I've seen over time require different kernel's.  I have one machine that won't start until I issue noapic.
19:25:38 <bri_an> You're running 10th gen correct?
19:25:49 <wilcal> You betcha
19:26:06 <bri_an> kind of wondering if 5.8 had that update in it
19:26:07 <wilcal> all 8-cores :-))
19:26:14 <joselp> I have Mageia 8 beta on my computer, and I have observed that the Mageia splash screen does not load. The Plasma Kde screen appears.
19:26:49 <joselp> I hadn't reported it yet
19:27:22 <wilcal> Is M8 supposed to be running 5.8 kernel now?
19:27:33 <bri_an> joselp - I don't know what everyone else thinks, but my suspicion is there is a lot of churn in cauldron.
19:27:40 <bri_an> I got the update in MGA8
19:28:00 <Luigi12> mga8 is on 5.8.2 now
19:28:14 <Luigi12> there's churn because there's a lot to fix still
19:28:15 <bri_an> joselp that issue may go away when you do a fresh build in a week or two
19:28:37 <bri_an> luigil2 - totally understand and agree
19:28:49 <joselp> And Firefox appears in english, this is reported too
19:29:09 <wilcal> 5.8.2-desktop-2
19:29:21 <joselp> Yes 5.82
19:30:13 * treegazer still trying to figure out why VMware workstation segfaults in mga8 but runs OK in mga7
19:30:14 <wilcal> and it's running in an M7.1 Vbox client
19:30:28 <bri_an> thinking of 5.8.2 I did run into that 390 issue and backed down to 5.7.  Things went normal
19:30:32 <joselp> In my opinion it's pretty stable, but there are some things to fix
19:30:44 <Luigi12> treegazer: because mga8 has kernel 5.8.  vmware probably doesn't support that yet.
19:31:18 <treegazer> Luigi12, maybe, but I compile the kernel modules for each kernel release
19:31:18 <bri_an> joselp - you're one update from unstable, don't count on that instance
19:31:40 <Luigi12> treegazer: you can try to compile them but they won't necessarily work
19:32:03 <Luigi12> yeah just because Cauldron is "stable" doesn't mean it's ready
19:32:26 <Luigi12> tens of broken packages with dependency issues, hundreds of unbuildable packages, dozens of unfixed security issues, etc
19:32:30 <wilcal> Seems a little bit like we're going backwards
19:32:35 <joselp> I don't mean I'm ready.
19:32:40 <Luigi12> no we're just not going forward as fast as you would like
19:32:46 <wilcal> :-))
19:33:01 <Luigi12> I mean yeah kernel 5.8 feels like a step backward because it broke a bunch of stuff that weren't ready for it, but we had no choice but to update
19:33:09 <Luigi12> once we get to 5.9 we will stop updating it, that will help
19:33:27 <wilcal> Anyway this has turned into a combo M7 & M8 discussion
19:33:30 <wilcal> anything else
19:33:42 <hviaene> Yes
19:34:01 <wilcal> Go
19:34:16 <hviaene> I'm trying to get the new Belgian eid SW going.
19:34:39 <Luigi12> anybody have anything to say about the remaining update candidates?  http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates
19:34:41 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
19:34:47 <hviaene> Al13N sent me some tips for rpmbuild,
19:34:48 <Luigi12> since that's technically the #topic but we never got to it
19:34:48 <bri_an> none here
19:35:04 <Luigi12> OK well hopefully the remaining ones will get tested and validated then
19:35:19 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
19:35:20 <Luigi12> oh, one more thing on that topic, I've seen lots of people testing things, successfully, lately, and not adding the OK's to the whiteboard
19:35:21 <hviaene> But I get a problem, and he hasnt reponded for a week (holidays)
19:35:36 <Luigi12> make sure you OK stuff if it's OK
19:35:39 <bri_an> I see 7 in the stack
19:35:43 <bri_an> to be tested
19:35:43 <Luigi12> and stuff that seems OK enough can be validated
19:35:45 <hviaene> Can I address someone for help?
19:35:47 <bri_an> two with feedbacks
19:36:04 <Luigi12> hviaene: a problem with what?
19:36:42 <hviaene> rmpbild throws an error on "sometthing git"
19:36:57 <hviaene> I don't have it in front of me now
19:37:32 <Luigi12> oh I thought you meant an update candidate
19:37:46 <Luigi12> send a message to the dev ml if you're having trouble with beid stuff
19:38:25 <hviaene> OK
19:38:36 <wilcal> Anything else
19:38:46 <bri_an> none here
19:38:50 <hviaene> No
19:39:13 <wilcal> Other then daily temp here is 117F and haven't seen any rain in over 100 days
19:39:24 <wilcal> wilting
19:39:25 <Luigi12> "but it's a dry heat"
19:39:30 <bri_an> wilcal - sounds like you live in a desert or something
19:39:33 <wilcal> about 16%
19:39:40 <bri_an> ;-)
19:39:44 <wilcal> Sin City USA Las Vegas
19:40:01 <wilcal> where there ain't much sin'n going on these days
19:40:18 <bri_an> yeah
19:40:29 <hviaene> Sinners burn in hell;)
19:40:30 <wilcal> So lets call it a day. Thanks all for being here
19:40:37 <wilcal> some tough issues
19:40:43 <wilcal> Countdown time
19:40:47 <wilcal> T-5
19:40:52 <hviaene> G'night all
19:40:53 <bri_an> have a good week all.  Good discussion.
19:40:57 <wilcal> T-4
19:41:03 <wilcal> T-3
19:41:09 <wilcal> T-2
19:41:22 <wilcal> T-1
19:41:26 <wilcal> #endmeeting