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19:03:02 <bri_an> it's that stuff that evaporates before it hits the ground out your way
19:03:09 <wilcal> Welcome to another QA meeting
19:03:21 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:03:31 <wilcal> Anyone new here today?
19:04:20 <MageiaTJ> Don't be shy...
19:04:25 <wilcal> Lets move on to the excitement
19:04:27 <wilcal> #topic M8 Alpha 1 iso testing
19:04:53 <wilcal> Bugs are starting to pop up here and there and Alpha1 has been made public
19:05:30 <krisNL> new bugs that we didn't see already?
19:05:36 <MageiaTJ> Any more than usual?
19:05:48 <hviaene> I did a uccesfull upgrade to M8 from a fresh installed and updated M7
19:05:54 <wilcal> It's been pretty clean
19:06:15 <wilcal> I'm finding more differences in how apps work and not bugs
19:06:22 <wilcal> Especially with VirtualBox
19:06:46 <wilcal> M7 uses Vbox 6.0, M8 uses Vbox 6.1
19:06:50 <krisNL> wilcal: there are some changes to the new version,
19:06:51 <Benmc> not "testing" per se, but of the torrents I am seeding, Xfce 32 Live is least popular
19:06:57 <bri_an> upgraded an m7 Xfce system to M8 (hardware) it worked surprisingly well
19:07:11 <wilcal> and the way you set up a client is a little different. At first it looked like a bug
19:07:46 <wilcal> I'm seeing, and hearing, chatter about problems with the network applet and set up
19:07:58 <hviaene> br_ian: mine was plasma- MATE
19:08:10 <krisNL> herman and brian are ahead of time with upgrade testing :)
19:08:56 <krisNL> ... while the packagers are on a mission for the next breakage
19:09:08 <wilcal> I found a significant install problem with graphics. A bug has been filed and is being worked
19:09:57 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26829
19:09:59 <[mbot> [ 26829 – M8alpha1 no Plasma display on a new Dell Inspiron laptop ]
19:10:23 <Benmc> I read that was a dream machine for you
19:10:56 <wilcal> This Inspiron 5000 I5 is extremely friendly to cauldron M8
19:11:36 <krisNL> plasma is not fruendky to his dell
19:11:48 <krisNL> friendly
19:12:10 <wilcal> Read that bug and change the graphics driver to modesetting
19:12:21 <wilcal> made a huge difference
19:12:43 <wilcal> but the installer has to be modified to do this automatically
19:13:42 <wilcal> I continue to out quite some hours tinkering with M8 and my new Dell Inspirion. It's a fun puzzle
19:14:36 <wilcal> I highly recommend the Samsung FIT Plus USB drive. It's lightning fast
19:15:05 <wilcal> Anything anyone wants to share with theor Alpha 1 experiences
19:16:24 <wilcal> I think there's a problem with WiFi network setup but can't quite put my finger on it
19:16:39 <bri_an> I am still surprised how clean it is.  I've been banging on it with a couple of different devices and other than one gnome upgrade things have been smooth
19:16:46 <hviaene> Quick test on DNS servver installation: it's even a bigger mess than on M7
19:17:04 <bri_an> hviaene - ahhh.
19:18:21 <hviaene> Depending on using MCC or webmin or another one, the zone files end up inthree different places
19:18:25 <MageiaTJ> There had to be something to trip us up.
19:18:31 <wilcal> I've done a couple M8 netinstall here. One on the laptop and the other in a Vbox client
19:18:37 <hviaene> And neithher of the setups works
19:18:48 <wilcal> Bug?
19:19:39 <hviaene> Coming, after cleaning up all themess I created by doning a wrong backup restoration
19:20:00 <Benmc> ouch
19:20:22 <hviaene> And the power summply of my regilar desktop gae up
19:20:27 <wilcal> BTW the Dell BIOs you can really truly turn off the internal SATA controller & drive. The Mageia installers have no idea that drive is sitting there in the laptop and leave it completely alone.
19:21:22 <Benmc> sorry guys, got to go. be safe
19:21:24 <bri_an> anybody done any m2 drive builds - I guess wilcal you have
19:21:27 <wilcal> IF you leave the SATA contoller off and nothing plugged into a USB port the Laptop complains there is no bootable media
19:21:42 <EzequielPartida> See Ya Ben
19:21:49 <wilcal> Wow that's going back some years
19:22:14 <krisNL> i have a shiny new laptop as well, and everything just works, so i can't talk about it :-(
19:22:26 <wilcal> FIrst install for me was around 98 with Mandrake
19:22:39 <bri_an> 2006 mandrive one for me
19:23:05 <wilcal> We were replacing a Sun Slowaris system and Mandrake was out first choice
19:23:24 <bri_an> Slowaris - not a typo I'm guessing ;-)
19:23:33 <EzequielPartida> Are there any plans to change the mageia logon to something different like breeze2?
19:23:33 <hviaene> Mandrake 8 after a not so succesfull Mandrake6.5
19:23:34 <MageiaTJ> I don't do "shiny new" stuff. I work with "hand-me-downs."
19:24:14 <wilcal> SUN Solaris was a bloated OS good for data centers no good for real time apps
19:24:38 <MageiaTJ> The stuff others give away when they get shiny new stuff.
19:24:42 <krisNL> MageiaTJ: you are growing vegetables, that IS the most important thing to do, I admire it
19:25:05 <wilcal> My new laptop is complements of Donald Trumps $1200 check. :-)))
19:25:17 <MageiaTJ> krisNL: Thank you.
19:25:56 <bri_an> so my MGa8 experience has been good, but have not tested it on a laptop yet
19:26:02 <bri_an> that may be interesting
19:26:40 <hviaene> Mine is on laptop, why would that be different???
19:26:43 <bri_an> wilcal - your new machine - is that gen 10?
19:26:55 <bri_an> wifi, sleep, etc.
19:27:26 <wilcal> Absolutely. Intel 10th Gen is first Gen with that horrible compromise fixed
19:27:31 <hviaene> WIFI is OK, sleep is something I never use
19:28:10 <MageiaTJ> Yes, could that be your problem? TOO new?
19:28:25 <wilcal> I would not suggest purchasing a new Intel computer unless it's 10th and followon generations
19:28:39 <wilcal> Very good question
19:29:12 <wilcal> My experience over the years has been that the newer the hardware the bigger chance you'll have serious problems with Linux
19:29:27 <krisNL> but  my new one is also a 10th gen Intel, and really everything works out of the box, incl sleep wifi 6, etc
19:29:48 <wilcal> I think that's been lessor so the last years. Intel is less dependent on Windows platforms
19:29:56 <MageiaTJ> Remember, the main reason we released M7.1 was to add new hardware support.
19:30:15 <bri_an> yeah Ryzen if I remember right
19:30:47 <bri_an> I notice Nouveau driver issue not fixed in m8.  I think TMB mentioend not fixed until kernel 5.8
19:31:26 <wilcal> Lets move on
19:31:28 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
19:31:40 <wilcal> Med length list. No kernels
19:31:44 <wilcal> No Vbox
19:31:51 <wilcal> So work as best you can
19:32:02 <wilcal> Anything in there worth discussing
19:32:15 <MageiaTJ> Couple of OKs there. I'll check them out later today.
19:32:41 <wilcal> Super
19:32:49 <wilcal> Not much in there to discuss
19:33:05 <wilcal> Lets move on to
19:33:07 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
19:33:12 <wilcal> Anyting else?
19:33:16 <MageiaTJ> Couple of them haven't had any action for over a month.
19:33:22 <bri_an> nothing here
19:33:39 <bri_an> wilcal can you sing "I can see clear now?"
19:33:44 <krisNL> many have the ok, and never get oushed?
19:33:50 <wilcal> the cloud thing may get you a new career
19:33:51 <krisNL> pushed
19:34:26 <bri_an> cloud-init yes
19:34:52 <wilcal> Ok then Become a php expert get a great job
19:35:35 <MageiaTJ> I already have a great job. And a stellar boss - ME!
19:35:38 <bri_an> krisNL - yes noticed that too.  Hoping tmb or whomever is covering is okay
19:35:49 <bri_an> TJ - exactly
19:36:11 <wilcal> LOL
19:36:22 <wilcal> I'm working hard at being retired
19:37:07 <wilcal> I used to live in a town ( Las Vegas ) with lots of things to do. Now not so much anymore
19:37:23 <wilcal> Anything else
19:37:35 <hviaene> No, not here
19:37:44 <wilcal> Ok count down time
19:37:53 <wilcal> thanks to all for being here
19:38:00 <wilcal> T-5
19:38:06 <wilcal> I'll be here next week
19:38:11 <wilcal> T-4
19:38:18 <wilcal> T-3
19:38:23 <wilcal> T-2
19:38:37 <MageiaTJ> Time to get back to work...
19:38:43 <wilcal> bye all
19:38:46 <wilcal> T-1
19:38:48 <wilcal> #endmeeting