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19:04:01 <Benmc> 10 * here, 1/2 an hour till sunup
19:04:09 <MageiaTJ> I'm between jobs this week, so I thought I'd check in.
19:04:11 <DavidWHodgins> #chair wilcall tarazed
19:04:11 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins tarazed wilcall
19:04:12 <wilcal> You there David?
19:04:20 <wilcal> There we o
19:04:21 <DavidWHodgins> #chare MageiaTJ
19:04:33 <DavidWHodgins> #chair MageiaTJ
19:04:33 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MageiaTJ tarazed wilcall
19:04:40 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:04:49 <wilcal> Everyone is in charge
19:04:50 <Benmc> wilcal is spelt diff today
19:04:52 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new?
19:04:56 <krisNL> has tmb recently been hee?
19:04:59 <hviaene> That must go wrong 4 at one helm
19:05:17 <DavidWHodgins> krisNL: tmb has left Mageia for personal reasons
19:05:28 <Benmc> sad to hear
19:05:36 <DavidWHodgins> #chair wilcal
19:05:36 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MageiaTJ tarazed wilcal wilcall
19:05:38 <krisNL> is he ok?
19:05:41 <wilcal> He pops in every once in awhile
19:06:14 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who hasn't been to a qa team irc meeting before?
19:06:23 <Benmc> looks like no one new
19:06:46 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 8 alpha 1 iso testing
19:07:08 <wilcal> It's been an exciting week here with M8
19:07:23 <bri_an> I'll start the conversation - the builds have been so solid I am anxious for beta.
19:07:36 <Benmc> dont jinx it
19:07:39 <DavidWHodgins> I'm most concerned with the gdm problem tarazed reported. bug 26855
19:07:42 <[mbot> Bug: ['System installed  from 64-bit mga8a1 iso fails to effect graphical login after accepting password', 'NEW', 'Mageia Bug Squad'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26855
19:07:43 <wilcal> Brand new Dell laptop with a new intel graphics controller
19:07:44 <hviaene> Just did my first run onLive, problems, I will report to the pad
19:07:51 <tarazed> Yes, a few wrinkles but the devs are on the case
19:07:54 <bri_an> yes - only issue I've really encountered is custom partitioning
19:08:00 <MageiaTJ> I'll see about checking the 32-bit Live on my old Inspiron tonight.
19:08:40 <DavidWHodgins> Anything that stops the user from getting to a working desktop so they can get updates will block the release of these iso images to the public
19:08:47 <wilcal> There are problems being reported but no super crashes
19:08:52 <hviaene> on the 64bit Live, MCC hangs and cannot be restarted under soms condition
19:08:55 <Benmc> I plan, time allowing, an all DE install 32 bit , to check de/dm compat
19:08:56 <DavidWHodgins> Anything that can be fixed later by updates will not stop the release
19:09:42 <wilcal> I agree David. Ther are things that need to get put in the errata
19:09:45 <DavidWHodgins> Has anyone else seen the gdm bug or at least tested with gdm to find it is working for them?
19:09:54 <MageiaTJ> I suspect Plasma will continue to be incompatible with my old laptop.
19:09:56 <krisNL> did not see any hanging of mcc on 64b live
19:10:09 <Benmc> tarazed bug above didntturn up for me in an all DE 64 install
19:10:15 <wilcal> grahics problem TJ
19:10:26 <hviaene> Did you try to connect to NFS Share???
19:10:27 <tarazed> Well I reported it (gdm) and the cause has already been determined.
19:10:29 <DavidWHodgins> Benmc: Was that install using gdm or sddm?
19:10:44 <Benmc> I tried all dm/de combos
19:10:45 <MageiaTJ> Right. Plasma doesn't like my old Radeon card.
19:11:06 <DavidWHodgins> Sorry, just skimming the bug report now
19:11:09 <wilcal> Read this:
19:11:11 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26829
19:11:13 <[mbot> [ 26829 – M8alpha1 no Plasma display on a new Dell Inspiron laptop ]
19:11:14 <tarazed> gdm was default - using console to launch sddm helped.
19:11:44 <wilcal> But that has to do with a new imtel graphics controller
19:11:50 <Benmc> maybe a missing packageis installed in the all DE install?
19:13:03 <MageiaTJ> My Inspiron is very old, so I expect things like that.
19:13:05 <DavidWHodgins> Regarding the comment about problems knowing what version of the alpha1 iso image is being used, always refer to the DATE.txt file from the downloaded iso's directory
19:13:47 <wilcal> latest is 6/22/20
19:14:00 <Benmc> or use the md5 sum
19:14:55 <DavidWHodgins> Easier for humans to compare the dates! :-)
19:15:14 <MageiaTJ> I did a 64-bit Plasma install on my Probook while working the polls on Tuesday - went perfectly.
19:15:50 <wilcal> hi rin
19:16:03 <rindolf> wilcal: hey
19:16:05 <tarazed> Yes I forgot that myalpha1 had not been rewritten and spent an afternoon testing the wrong iso.
19:16:50 <DavidWHodgins> No response in the 26829 bug from Thierry yet. If we have a fix for the intel video driver, I'd rather wait till that is available and new iso images created.
19:17:00 <Benmc> I hate it when that happens tarazed
19:17:17 <tarazed> Yeah - red face
19:17:37 <MageiaTJ> My Probook uses Intel graphics, and it's fine.
19:18:10 <DavidWHodgins> Are they any other bugs that block getting to a working desktop so updates can be installed?
19:18:16 <wilcal> I had to go to modesetting on my new Dell Laptop David
19:18:43 <Benmc> I have not noted any problems, appart from hardware issue, so they look good to me.
19:18:45 <krisNL> wilcal s bug looks like a kde plasma bug, his new laptop works with gnome live and xfce live
19:18:47 <wilcal> otherwise Plasma was black screen
19:18:48 <Benmc> got to go
19:19:00 <wilcal> Yes
19:19:15 <wilcal> but once it works it runs like lighting
19:19:19 <tarazed> Thanks Ben
19:19:30 <MageiaTJ> Maybe that's why mine worked - it's ten years old, with gray hair and beard.
19:19:31 <DavidWHodgins> tarazed Have you tested with the xdriver=modesetting kernel option on the system where you found gdm not working?
19:19:50 <wilcal> That's what made things work here David
19:19:57 <tarazed> No, had not thought of that.
19:20:13 <tarazed> But a fix is in the works apparently.
19:21:11 <DavidWHodgins> The fix is thought to be known. No response from Theirry yet indicating it's actually in progress, let alone available for testing.
19:21:32 <tarazed> No, not available yet.
19:21:34 <krisNL> most distros don't use the intel driver for intel cards, but always modesetting as default
19:21:51 <wilcal> Explain to use what that means
19:21:56 <wilcal> to us
19:22:12 <DavidWHodgins> If the xdriver=modesetting works for tarazed too, I'd be ok with just having an errata item and release the iso images as is.
19:22:30 <wilcal> That works for me David
19:22:47 <tarazed> Testing it tomorrow if my head clears.
19:22:51 <wilcal> If a fix works lets not fix it again and break it
19:22:58 <wilcal> :-)
19:25:32 <MageiaTJ> Looks like we've talked this one out, Dave.
19:25:51 <wilcal> still lots of testing to go but things look good
19:25:52 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Mind creating the page https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_8_Errata
19:26:19 <DavidWHodgins> Use https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_7_Errata as a starting point to copy from
19:26:22 <wilcal> Ooooo I've never been succesful at doing that
19:26:39 <DavidWHodgins> Who's good at editing wik pages?
19:27:25 <DavidWHodgins> Lol. Ok. I'll do it after the meeting
19:28:37 <DavidWHodgins> Since the xdriver=modesetting setting worked for wilcal, I'm debating whether or not to give the go ahead now rather then wait for tarazed to confirm. Opinions?
19:29:17 <tarazed> Go ahead for ?
19:29:19 <wilcal> We need a graphics controller expert
19:29:47 <wilcal> will that negatively effect non intel graphics controllers?
19:29:48 <DavidWHodgins> Go ahead and release the iso images as is to the general public
19:30:34 <tarazed> Tentative agreement from me.
19:30:35 <DavidWHodgins> It should only be used if a problem has been detected, as nvidia and amd cards don't work as well with it
19:31:10 <MageiaTJ> OK with me. Alphas are expected to be imperfect.
19:32:01 <MageiaTJ> Or they should be...
19:32:12 <wilcal> I can remember Alphas that booted to a black screen and hung there
19:32:14 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Once I create the errata item for the intel video chipsets, I'll send the notification that we are ready to release alpha1.
19:33:07 <hviaene> What is "general public" in this  context???
19:33:18 <krisNL> DavidWHodgins: not for all intel cards, and the one from wil only on plasma
19:33:20 <DavidWHodgins> Martin's not here right now, so I'll send him a msg to go ahead and copy the iso images to the main mirror from rabbit
19:33:22 <hviaene> If it is really everyyone ......
19:33:38 <hviaene> Then it'ds bad publicity
19:34:11 <krisNL> it i s no. it works on my intel uhd 620
19:34:20 <tarazed> We can emphasize the experimental nature of the beast.
19:34:25 <DavidWHodgins> hviaene: Anyone who wants to download the iso images for a first look at Mageia 8, and to help with more testing. It's a necessary step as we don't have the variety of hardware in our testing group that the general public has
19:34:41 <wilcal> We're looking for faults not perfection
19:35:21 <DavidWHodgins> The Download page explains that they are test releases, and bugs are expected
19:36:20 <hviaene> I understand, but you need specific people for that (e.g. willing to submit bug reports) and that is not "general public"
19:37:06 <DavidWHodgins> True. But as there are no restrictions in place, literally anyone can download it.
19:37:36 <bri_an> I don't remember do we usually release an alpha to public or the first beta?
19:37:40 <hviaene> Indeed, and that's my worry
19:37:54 <bri_an> or is this public release the first beta?
19:37:55 <DavidWHodgins> We know from past experience that reviewers will try it, and report on it. Which is why we restrict access to the qa testing iso images
19:38:05 <wilcal> That's kinda the way we've been doing it for quite some time
19:38:26 <DavidWHodgins> We've always releases all iso images to the public once they pass qa testing
19:38:45 <krisNL> just rename them beta1 :-;
19:39:02 <bri_an> krisNL - lol
19:39:04 <bri_an> exactly
19:39:18 <MageiaTJ> We skipped the alpha stage on a couple of releases and went straight to the beta, but we've also done it the other way.
19:39:18 <DavidWHodgins> lol. We could, but then we'd have to test those before release to ensure the renaming did not introduce new problems
19:39:50 <DavidWHodgins> It's better to keep expectations low and over deliver, then the other way around
19:40:15 <bri_an> yes alpha releases are usually interpreted as just that, unstable
19:40:46 <DavidWHodgins> Which these may be on hardware that we have not tested on
19:41:17 <bri_an> yes
19:41:34 <DavidWHodgins> We don't know yet, that's why we want everyone willing to try them to test them and report problems, not just those willing to join the qa iso testers group
19:41:36 <MageiaTJ> Personally, I think the idea that we are asking the public for help with finding bugs is GOOD publicity. It shows we aren't full of ourselves.
19:42:17 <DavidWHodgins> Moving on ...
19:42:19 <tarazed> And we might even recruit new personnel
19:42:22 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing updates - Any questions or problems
19:42:46 <kekePower> This may be deemed foolish, but I really believe we should try our best to ship mga8 with, at least, Java 11. On the other hand, it may be too close for comfort this close to release.
19:43:17 <hviaene> My dear TJ, if install a, alpha on my "costumers", who hava more different HW Than I can afford, they'll kill me!
19:43:28 <DavidWHodgins> kekePower: That will be mostly up to the packager responsible for java
19:43:55 <kekePower> DavidWHodgins: Yes, and QA to test because a lot of packages will have to be rebuilt
19:44:12 <wilcal> Filing an enhancement bug usually gets their attention
19:44:17 <EzequielPartida> Hello everyone!
19:44:26 <MageiaTJ> Can anybody do anything with bug 26253? It's been there a long time. Herman tried it, but ran into a wall.
19:44:28 <wilcal> Hi Ez
19:44:28 <[mbot> Bug: ['mailman new XSS security issue (CVE-2020-12137) and arbitrary content injection issue (CVE-2020-12108)', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26253
19:45:34 <hviaene> And I didn't have time this week torerty it, no inspriration either how to do it edifferently
19:46:09 <DavidWHodgins> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22550 shows how to test it
19:46:12 <[mbot> [ 22550 – mailman new security issue CVE-2018-5950 ]
19:46:15 <hviaene> Same for tomcat
19:48:18 <DavidWHodgins> I'll tackle both of those after I create the errata and notify council etc., that alpha1 is ready for release
19:48:38 <wilcal> Let'er go!!
19:49:33 <wilcal> It's time for anything else
19:49:35 <DavidWHodgins> for bug 26684 we need someone who has ipv6 available to test it. I don't yet have ipv6 available
19:49:38 <[mbot> Bug: ["ipv6 in vnstat/net_monitor isn't there.", 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26684
19:49:55 <hviaene> David: Claire didn't test the web interface
19:50:49 <DavidWHodgins> According to comment 5 she did test that it is responding
19:51:57 <DavidWHodgins> Anyway, moving on
19:51:59 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Anything else?
19:52:01 <hviaene> No details there
19:52:16 <EzequielPartida> Is there any way I can add sound to my PC?..  I'm still with no sound... and still using kernel-linus.
19:52:23 <DavidWHodgins> hviaene: Just that it responds is how I would interpret the comment
19:52:26 <EzequielPartida> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26239
19:52:28 <[mbot> [ 26239 – No sound since recent updates to Mageia 8 Cauldron. ]
19:52:38 <hviaene> What does tmb leaving mean for Mageia????
19:53:07 <DavidWHodgins> hviaene: Not much hopefully Martin and others have stepped up to handle a lot of what he used to do
19:54:08 <wilcal> The recent kernel updates have been successful
19:55:36 <DavidWHodgins> EzequielPartida: I've assigned the bug to the kernel team, so at least now they will be aware of it
19:55:54 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like countdown time then
19:55:59 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5
19:56:03 <DavidWHodgins> 4
19:56:05 <DavidWHodgins> 3
19:56:07 <DavidWHodgins> 2
19:56:13 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone!
19:56:14 <wilcal> bye ll
19:56:14 <bri_an> EzequielPartida - running Kernel-linux may be part of your issue
19:56:25 <DavidWHodgins> 1
19:56:32 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting