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19:05:18 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:05:18 <ezequielpartida> That's a nice ride Wilcal..  I have a couple of friends and coworkers from belgium that came to that ride
19:05:39 * rindolf will miss this meeting. sorry!
19:05:44 <wilcal> There's the killer hill thouggh
19:06:00 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa everyone
19:06:05 <wilcal> eze you've been here before
19:06:11 <CheeseEBoi> Hello
19:06:13 <wilcal> Hello DAvid
19:06:15 <ezequielpartida> yes!
19:06:20 <wilcal> I'm gonna make him in charge
19:06:45 <wilcal> #chair DavidWHodgins
19:06:45 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins wilcal
19:06:50 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing Mageia 8 ISOs
19:07:25 <wilcal> Fantastic first go best I think I've ever seen for Mageia, Mandrake Mandriva
19:07:31 <DavidWHodgins> So far the only blocker I've seen for releasing the alpha1 iso images for wider testing is the nss bug affecting all https connections
19:07:32 <wilcal> Best Alpha 1
19:07:58 <Benmc> it seems that legacy installs are easy - no installer issues
19:08:07 <wilcal> I'm already finding some ugly things but for sure wider release would help
19:08:17 <Benmc> UEFI installs are a different matter
19:08:28 <tarazed> Agreed.  The only problems seen here are to do with scaling on laptops and the Xfce unlocker.
19:08:30 <Benmc> from USB
19:08:36 <DavidWHodgins> The raid0 regression in the installer has to be fixed, but that won't hold up an alpha release. We want to get testing on as wide a variety of hardware as possible
19:08:37 <tony_> Lots of good comments.  My try won't boot, but problem of very limited applicability: bug 26726
19:08:39 <[mbot> Bug: ['boot failure due RAID partitioning errors', 'NEW', 'Mageia Bug Squad'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26726
19:08:52 <wintpe> i was very impressed with the installs and upgrades, could be mistaken for a release candidate
19:09:15 <Benmc> best find these sorts of things early in the testing, rather than the day before release!
19:09:17 <DavidWHodgins> Benmc: Is the uefi problem widespread, or only on specific systems?
19:09:23 <ezequielpartida> The only issue I had with netinstaller is when installing grub2.. I have to go back and select the option to install it.. That doesn't happen on MGA7 net installer.
19:09:29 <wilcal> I'm still putting together the bug but I want to share what I've found
19:09:38 <wilcal> Easy test
19:09:57 <wilcal> test website: www.lastpass.com
19:10:05 <Benmc> Dave, seems like if you nuke and pave option will give you trouble.
19:10:36 <wilcal> Using the M8 Plasma x86_64 Live-DVD you can get to lastpass.com no problem
19:10:43 <DavidWHodgins> I don't have uefi here, so can't test that myself
19:10:50 <Benmc> the installer sees the /boot/EFI partition and does not create a new one
19:11:06 <Benmc> (on the USB)
19:11:24 <wilcal> if you use the CI that uses a one tick newer version of the Firefox est and that fhrows a security warning and won't go to lastpass.com
19:11:38 <wilcal> same for Chromium
19:11:40 <Benmc> there are also specific issues if using eMMC devices
19:11:53 <DavidWHodgins> My understanding is that the system is only supposed to have one /boot/EFI partition. If there is already another one on another drive, I don't think another one is supposed to be created.
19:11:55 <wilcal> I suspect other websites will get blocked also
19:12:16 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: That's likely due to the nss problem currently being worked on.
19:12:26 <wilcal> Horayy!!!!
19:12:29 <ezequielpartida> I have problems with Firefox, Chrome and Opera.. they complain about bad certificates...
19:12:36 <ezequielpartida> Great!!
19:12:44 <wilcal> I put a issue into the lastpass forum
19:12:59 <wilcal> Yup!!! big time
19:13:02 <DavidWHodgins> All https connections will fail after updates are installed due to the nss problems
19:13:15 <wintpe> stupid question, is the date correct on those systems complaining of cert problems as i had that, corrected date and worked
19:13:21 <wilcal> Is there an official bug for it yet
19:13:28 <neoclust> hu
19:13:31 <neoclust> hi
19:13:36 <wilcal> hi neo
19:13:44 <DavidWHodgins> Yes. Bug 26729
19:13:56 <DavidWHodgins> bug 26729
19:13:59 <[mbot> Bug: ['Web Browsers complain about certificates.', 'NEW', 'Mageia Bug Squad'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26729
19:14:19 <DavidWHodgins> Word bug has to be in lowercase for mbot to see it.  :-)
19:14:49 <wilcal> Bingo
19:15:05 <Benmc> at least mbot is awake this week
19:15:11 <ezequielpartida> yes.. that's my bug report..
19:15:21 <DavidWHodgins> Benmc: Is there an efi partition on another drive already?
19:15:42 <Benmc> yep, the USB that you are installing from
19:16:30 <Benmc> and even better, its read only
19:17:24 <Benmc> bug 26714
19:17:26 <[mbot> Bug: ['EFI install, custom partition clear all, auto allocate does not create the ESP', 'NEW', 'Mageia tools maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26714
19:18:24 <DavidWHodgins> Mind testing with a 7.1 iso to confirm it worked the way you expect it to then, and is a regression?
19:19:11 <Benmc> peter(winterflood, the OP) has already done so
19:19:29 <wintpe> yes but as per my last comment i tested with a dvd
19:20:05 <kekePower> It seems like Skype is also affected by the nss bug
19:20:05 <Benmc> sorry wintpe, didnt make the connection
19:20:09 <wintpe> i did not see the relivance of the different boot devices until martin explained it
19:21:09 <wintpe> the usb is seen as a disk, whereas the cdrom cant be installed to
19:21:10 <ezequielpartida> yes Kekepower.. same here with my skype
19:21:39 <ezequielpartida> BTW, I still have problems with sound since 5.6 kernel.. it only works with 5.4 on my desktop PC... https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26239
19:21:42 <[mbot> [ 26239 – No sound since recent updates to Mageia 8 Cauldron. ]
19:21:47 <wilcal> Many laptops have an SD slot
19:22:26 <wilcal> I thing with a fast SD chip it will be as fast as a HD or even an SSD
19:24:07 <DavidWHodgins> wintpe: Looks like Martin understands and is working on the problem, though the fix still has to be figured out.
19:24:37 <Benmc> will have to go soon. do read and save Martins email about reporting bugs. Marja (and Lewis) will appreciate the help in filing a bug correctly and efficiently
19:25:20 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks Benmc
19:25:21 <Benmc> cheers
19:25:39 <wilcal> hello filip
19:27:29 <DavidWHodgins> So overall alpha1 is very good. The nss bug must be fixed before it goes public. There are other bugs that are being worked on, but they can be listed in the errata, so that we can get more people testing on a wide variety of hardware
19:28:24 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks everyone for the help so far in testing the first alpha, and thanks Martin and all packagers for the great qaulity of Mageia 8's start
19:28:31 <wilcal> So we have at least one more go around on the isos
19:28:54 <DavidWHodgins> Yes
19:29:28 <DavidWHodgins> Moving on to regular qa work for Mageia 7
19:29:34 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing updates - Any questions or problems
19:30:03 <wilcal> I am concerning about the size and impact of the libreoffice update
19:30:13 <wilcal> It's a big package
19:30:56 <ezequielpartida> new features I hope!
19:31:00 <DavidWHodgins> There's lot's of pieces to test. We can't test everything, so primarily have to check for regressions in commonly used parts
19:32:45 <DavidWHodgins> It would be nice to try to recreate the crash/recover, but if that proves too difficult, just test normal usage of the main parts, as well as a clean install of the updated packages over the prior versions.
19:33:30 <DavidWHodgins> Skimming through the bug report, it looks good so far.
19:33:51 <wilcal> There was the issue over Gnome version on the ML
19:35:41 <ezequielpartida> Are there any plans to make an netinstaller for the arm to test MGA on my raspberry pi?.
19:35:45 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Which issue are you referring to?
19:36:25 <DavidWHodgins> ezequielpartida: Not that I'm aware of. Arm devices are not officially supported at this time, so only have experimental support.
19:36:45 <wintpe> can you even netboot an pi
19:36:48 <wilcal> When to push GNOME 3.37/3.38 to Cauldron?
19:38:12 <wintpe> all the pi and similar installers are all dd to sd card or similar, i would think anything mga would be the same
19:39:24 <DavidWHodgins> I'll review the options Olav has given and post a response to the ml after I consider the impacts.
19:40:32 <wilcal> ARM with the release of Raspberry Pi 4, 4 & 8 GB we outta look at that again.
19:41:37 <DavidWHodgins> Any other questions on the updates?
19:41:41 <wintpe> 8gb, realy that would be a game changer in the arm scene
19:41:57 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Anything else?
19:42:16 <wilcal> I will not be here next Thurs
19:42:20 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone have anything else they would like to discuss about qa?
19:42:23 <wilcal> Another Dr visit
19:42:36 <wilcal> not from me
19:42:38 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Good luck with that. Hope it goes well.
19:42:52 <ezequielpartida> good luck wilcal
19:43:01 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like countdown time then.
19:43:03 <wilcal> Eye sight is definitely getting better. See I can use my computer :-))
19:43:04 <DavidWHodgins> T - 5
19:43:05 <kekePower> I've decided to not update Kodi to version 18.7.1 because it's basically an Android fix.
19:43:11 <CheeseEBoi> Um are there any plans to clean up some of the software on some of the ISOs? I know on Mageia 7 there are like two screensavers on XFCE
19:43:12 <DavidWHodgins> 4
19:43:18 <wilcal> Go for it
19:43:38 <kensor> Does a list of QA hardware exist?
19:43:44 <DavidWHodgins> CheeseEBoi: Only if it causes problems.
19:43:58 <wilcal> I think i have to shut it down
19:44:03 <wilcal> 3
19:44:17 <CheeseEBoi> I mean that's kind of a UX problem
19:44:20 <CheeseEBoi> But it doesn't matter
19:44:25 <wilcal> 2
19:44:28 <wilcal> bye all
19:44:29 <wilcal> 1
19:44:34 <wintpe> bye
19:44:37 <wilcal> thanks david
19:44:42 <wilcal> #endmeeting